The precision of the power assist for the RMPP is due to the torque sensor that holds a small cog along the chain. Even a little pressure on the chain is noticed by the torque sensor where as the other ebike motors require the crack to actually move a specific distance before the assist kicks in.
2 seasons, 5000km of hard single track and jumping in Nelson, BC. The Rocky is an absolute beast. Riding with friends who own other platforms, it’s clear, Rocky is the champ.
Regarding chain sound. Anyone rideing a Powerplay should give a good wax emulsion based chain lube a try. Really makes a difference since the motor itself is completely quiet compared to both Brose and Shimanos high pitch sound. I've been using Squirt Lube for the last year, and are now tryin the new Jucelube Wax. Keeps the grinding sound away and also keeps the chain clean. I keep a small bottle of wet lube in my backpack but have so far not used it on my even longer wet riders. But good to have when others have forgotten to lube after every ride/ bike wash.
I see what you are getting at. I do think that if you are interested in doing the maximum amount of downhill as we are, it is nice to know which bike gets you up there the best.
it's a pity the RM doesn't have the reviews and comparisons to Bosch , brose , shimano , etc. i've only heard positive reports from that bike . i live in germany and ride a NOX (Austrian bike) that had the newer Sachs motor , made in germany . it has 112 NM. i also have a bosch cx motor on a Cube and on steep hills the Sachs destroys the bosch even in low cadence . i don't know how fast i could go up hills because i can reach the pre set speed of 25 kph so easily and then get no assist .
I took the rm a50 and I'm happy. The only thing I relied on and heard from the web was the 108nm motor being the most powerful. I had a trek rail 5 625w with 85 nm bosch and with the turbo it was more explosive and copious than the 4.0 dyname. I did a "recovery" with a friend of mine who has the bosch in turbo and I in ludicrous and we were even though my leg was more trained than his. I calibrate the bike every outgoing and boost in +2 at any place, maybe motor is not ok?
Well, I ride the Altitude PP since end of 2017 and did expect that. Maybe you have the opportunity to do such a simple compartment with a Brose (Specialized) and Bosch eBike too?🤔
@@CaptGoodJob If I do a tour with a pal who has a Scott Bosch eBike then it is hard to stay behind him because his auto ("EMTB") mode keeps the bike faster than mine on uphill forest roads and his battery consumption is lower too (but ok his weight is ~15kg lower than mine)... 😉 A dealer (Specialized), friend of mine, told me that the Bosch is more a "forest road optimized engine", the Rocky and Brose are more "trail engines". So it would be interesting to watch your results... 🤔
Interesting and fun review thanks. I ride Trek Rail with Bosch which comes on real fast. I bought it over a Levo because everyone raved about its power but the Turbo mode is useless in the technical stuff though emtb assist is better. I would love to try this thing out. Also I wonder how the Instinct compares to the Altitude. I don't need that big travel of an Enduro bike and like something more agile in turns.
If you can't use turbo that's you being useless not being able to control if not the mode. You basically don't know how to use brakes and haven't learned timing.
Shimano seems to be falling behind every other motor out there. I really don't know why so many manufacturers are still using it, other than maybe availability?
i think they get hooked into long term contracts and it's waay cheaper to use the same motor every year than change the frame to accommodate a new shape .
The precision of the power assist for the RMPP is due to the torque sensor that holds a small cog along the chain. Even a little pressure on the chain is noticed by the torque sensor where as the other ebike motors require the crack to actually move a specific distance before the assist kicks in.
2 seasons, 5000km of hard single track and jumping in Nelson, BC. The Rocky is an absolute beast. Riding with friends who own other platforms, it’s clear, Rocky is the champ.
Very cool. Thanks for sharing that.
Heath Lockhurst rules!
Rocky Mountain just announced their new 2022 Powerplays. Same power, lighter motor, and a cool display.
Regarding chain sound. Anyone rideing a Powerplay should give a good wax emulsion based chain lube a try. Really makes a difference since the motor itself is completely quiet compared to both Brose and Shimanos high pitch sound.
I've been using Squirt Lube for the last year, and are now tryin the new Jucelube Wax.
Keeps the grinding sound away and also keeps the chain clean. I keep a small bottle of wet lube in my backpack but have so far not used it on my even longer wet riders. But good to have when others have forgotten to lube after every ride/ bike wash.
What a crazy world we live in when racing your mountain bike up-hill is the fun new thing to do.
I see what you are getting at. I do think that if you are interested in doing the maximum amount of downhill as we are, it is nice to know which bike gets you up there the best.
it's a pity the RM doesn't have the reviews and comparisons to Bosch , brose , shimano , etc. i've only heard positive reports from that bike .
i live in germany and ride a NOX (Austrian bike) that had the newer Sachs motor , made in germany .
it has 112 NM. i also have a bosch cx motor on a Cube and on steep hills the Sachs destroys the bosch even in low cadence . i don't know how fast i could go up hills because i can reach the pre set speed of 25 kph so easily and then get no assist .
mine comes on tuesday - can't wait
I would like to see the uphill crawl test with the seat hight properly adjusted and both in the same gear. I noted discrepancies.
I took the rm a50 and I'm happy. The only thing I relied on and heard from the web was the 108nm motor being the most powerful. I had a trek rail 5 625w with 85 nm bosch and with the turbo it was more explosive and copious than the 4.0 dyname. I did a "recovery" with a friend of mine who has the bosch in turbo and I in ludicrous and we were even though my leg was more trained than his. I calibrate the bike every outgoing and boost in +2 at any place, maybe motor is not ok?
nice review
Well, I ride the Altitude PP since end of 2017 and did expect that.
Maybe you have the opportunity to do such a simple compartment with a Brose (Specialized) and Bosch eBike too?🤔
I sure plan to.
@@CaptGoodJob If I do a tour with a pal who has a Scott Bosch eBike then it is hard to stay behind him because his auto ("EMTB") mode keeps the bike faster than mine on uphill forest roads and his battery consumption is lower too (but ok his weight is ~15kg lower than mine)... 😉
A dealer (Specialized), friend of mine, told me that the Bosch is more a "forest road optimized engine", the Rocky and Brose are more "trail engines". So it would be interesting to watch your results... 🤔
@@MN-ch7pc I’m very curious myself.
new Dyname motor is quieter and new Altitude powerplay a big step forward in overall performance.
what about the EP8 ?
Good vid
Thanks Dan
Interesting and fun review thanks. I ride Trek Rail with Bosch which comes on real fast. I bought it over a Levo because everyone raved about its power but the Turbo mode is useless in the technical stuff though emtb assist is better. I would love to try this thing out. Also I wonder how the Instinct compares to the Altitude. I don't need that big travel of an Enduro bike and like something more agile in turns.
If you can't use turbo that's you being useless not being able to control if not the mode. You basically don't know how to use brakes and haven't learned timing.
Shimano seems to be falling behind every other motor out there. I really don't know why so many manufacturers are still using it, other than maybe availability?
i think they get hooked into long term contracts and it's waay cheaper to use the same motor every year than change the frame to accommodate a new shape .
Well the RM costs twice as much. I'd be pissed if it wasn't better.
What is your comparison? There are many bikes equipped with Shimano motors that cost more than RM bikes.
Can you recommend a good ebike for around $1,200, that's in stock?
Lol. Nice. Thanks for filming and editing this video.
An eBike for that value is only crap 😂😂😂
@@MN-ch7pc a non e bike will be crap at that price lol
@@jamesevans6335 what are you talking about? Did I say "a non eBike is crap"???
@@MN-ch7pc what are you talking about 1200 for a nice e bike , dream on you fool
Nice Thank you from Israel 🇮🇱
hearsay. no details, wrong test anyway
Sounds to me EP8 is a better motor. You just don't know how to control it.
I do t understand. Could you elaborate for us please?