As popular as the third candidate in a two party system... this one seems set to land with a resounding "meh" but I'm curious as to what you all think. Not bad, not offensive, just all around ok and nothing else to offer for my tastes.
I think it's one of those things that might be appealing as conversion material if it were bundled as a plastic model in one of the army boxes they do. Like it'd make a great Blood Angels chaplain, but not great enough to pay Forgeworld character prices or piss about with resin. Especially since we've already got a plastic chaplain and if you wanted something fancier you could just convert something else like the Axe Praetor from AoD or the Black Templars Castellan.
Why would I buy this crap in resin when I've got all the parts in my bits box in plastic from 35 years of gaming. There is nothing new here. I could get the same model by just slapping parts together whilst having near infinite options for poses other than generic tactical rock and 1 arm up.... I wouldn't have to spend a penny extra. The only good thing about it is maybe... Well, I guess It isn't a tank....
The little lore blurb they introduced him with and then the actual look of the mini feels like a weird disconnect. They describe this guy as being an example of the loyalist making desperate cobbled together units of marines and solar aux with a adhock officer position created to organize those forces. The kind of guy that would be leading marine forces made up of field repaired and scavenged Mark V armor and solar aux who have been taking some heavy losses. But the model meant to represent that dude has this pretty ornate and well kept armor. He doesn’t feel like he represents that kind of desperate leader of s cobbled together unit. Like the minis is fine probably even pretty decent for conversion bits, but I don’t see myself using the mini to represent what he’s supposed to be.
Yeah, Id probably rather use a a basic sergeant or something else as a base. (It doesnt have to look elaborate because you wont confuse it with the guard its attached to)
The overuse of Mk VI armor in these character models is quite tiresome. The justification that it’s because the armor is the poster boy of Heresy 2.0 feels like a weak excuse for poor design.
Also the excuse that Mk VI is the poster boy of the heresy doesn't land because that was a choice they deliberately made when it didn't have to be. Could've done III or IV just as easily.
I think you're absolutely right, they should have released something similar to the Consul-Opsequiari that appeared on the Inferno colour plates. Especially since he's a loyalist overseer it would have been ultra cool to see an old Terran veteran in custom grey MKII armour watching over mortal troops to keep them loyal to the founding ideals of the Great Crusade.
yep got a solid "um ok *shrug*" from me. doing the Space Wolf overseer would for sure have been a better call. Narrativly it makes sense the guy the legion sent to hang out with the mortals to be in the older kit. That and Mk.II has a odd air of menace that works for someone who is intimidating baseline humans to hold their ground
Yeah also their whole shtick is to inspire humans with their sheer presence. MKll would certainly be the perfect choice as it's like the spitting image of the legendary crusaders that's leading them into battle.
These are just 40K models. you can't convince me this isn't just 40k models they're branding as Heresy. Also Macca, if you think anyone actually uses Facebook for GW content and that these aren't PR schills meant to astroturf consensus then I have bridge in London to sell you.
Personally i quite like the model and given its pose could be used as a base fir a variety of consuls. My only major critique is the totally not crozius. Id prefer something more staff or mass like. The unhelmeted head is also quite good
I get that this is based off the Rogue Trader image, but I was really unimpressed with this model. They should have mirrored the Space wolf version, it would have been a good opportunity for them to show off some Mk2.
Overall reaction seems to be "Meh I guess I can use it for chaplain bits." Seems overly blinged from what we've seen of previous art for it, the hemet reminds me of an old metal mk 4 model's helmet with the break brought up slightly.
Trying to sneak in the MK VII with that torso, I see. Hope they don't start retconning a bunch of 40K stuff in now that Primaris are taking over there, I like the aesthetic divide between 30K and 40K. Decent model though, I'm not amazed, but I don't dislike it. Just glad there's no super-chunky details like on those 40K Chaplains.
Most people are going to use that kit to make a chaplain I think. The fancy swirls on the armour might suit a blood angel or even an emperor's children character.
i am also very indifferent and have pretty much given up on new content for the HH, between the stuff we already have, which i think in general is good stuff, and all the fantastic artists who outperform GW at literally every turn, my new 3d printer is giving me everything i ever wanted from HH
Not mentioning the mk VII looking torso? I can see it as a Herald or something for BA or EC, but probably not for the price point for a resin character. I personally wouldn't use him as a chaplain. Even in 30k, I'd want a chaplain to be a bit more brutal and mean looking.
For the tactical rock stuff, idk why they don't just make the whole base slope up gently under that foot - that way it looks a lot more scenic and yet also is more neutral than a random rock sticking up outta nowhere
Would be interested to know your thoughts about the made to order space marine company command. I've heard that you can use mark 7 in the Horus heresy now but man is it expensive.
Can tell from experience that it's one of the best kits they ever made, imo it's almost a must have for every marine player. It gives you so many options and cool stuff it probably saves you money in the long run, so if you can afford it, get it.
I think for a chaplain, that model is extremely...okay. It would be exactly what it would say on the tin, nothing more, nothing less. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I grow fond of it. For an overseer though? Aw man...tell me: when you look at this model, does it scream "I lead a force of solar auxilia" to you? Even that one praetor from the starter box with the crotch-pistol looks WAY more like what I'd imagine an overseer to look like (after an arm swap, obviously). Or, if you don't want to go the "I need fancy armor to impress" route but instead the "I am scrambling for bodies" route, that running dude in damaged mkv armor in a different pose would have been cool. Maybe both feet planted solidly on the ground, one hand pointing and the other holding a damaged helmet.
The legion consoles are starting to turn into 30ks version of the primaries lieutenant. And I don’t like the trim and squiggly lines, and the amount of mk6 is to high for my liking
Can't be proper "Slav Riot Police(tm)" without the pendrek(agreed the primaris chaplain's basher would fit that bill way better). Also agreed on the space wolves' overseer(I have all the black books(minus 2.0) somewhere in my collection). Modelwise, if I were to use this, I'd immediately swap the head with a saul tarvitz helmet (no fan of "beakie", looks goofy. Primaris one barely passes), I'd put a better basher in the left hand, I'd leave the trim, it sort-of works for me as-is(especially for a chapter or two in mind), swap shoulders, the greaves and I'd swap the tactical rock for a tactical corpse.
A great, subtle model. I have no idea about HH.. will be using it for 40K with a head swap because getting a good chaplain (with good proportions) in 40K these days is difficult. HH increasingly looks like 40K as I remembered it as a kiddie. I'm just rolling with it. I can collect the army I dreamed of when young: cant' do that with Primaris nonsense.
I like the model and the lore behind it, particularly agree on the helmet which is styled like Rouge Trader MKVI. I am, however, a bit concerned about the use of a MKVII chest plate. The only Legions in lore currently with access to MKVII is the Loyalists of Terra during the Siege and the Alpha Legion. Maybe this’ll be expanded upon in future lore drops but currently it should be limited to those Legions.
I'm ok with how this one looks. It's not very exciting, but it's good enough. I would maybe consider getting one. Forgeworlds lack of quality control and insane prices is the main reason for me not to. I don't like the helmet very much, but that's very fixable. It is obviously a Chaplin, only his banner makes him look like a field police because of its symbol.
Did gw forget about mk2,3,4 and 5. I don’t hate mk 6 but I’m getting mk6 fatigue. I also don’t think it’s the type of armour that suits being heavy embellished.
I hate how they keep messing up mk vi leg trim The trim reminds me of new chaos marine trim in that it’s awful and looks more like a mould error rather than deliberate design.
It's a nice model. If it were in plastic and therefore available from my supplier I'd buy it. In FW resin at AU prices it's unfortunately not an option...
The head has that annoying 40k thing where it has the helmet ears still attached to the "helmetless" model, which is a shame because it's a really nice head otherwise.
The model itself is just ok, but I like the idea behind it, as a Word Bearers player. Basically, I'm pro anything that lets me field more militia in a thematic way. But really, why are they releasing things like this, there are much more important things they should be releasing instead.
Apart from the weapon and the trim this could be trivially kit-bashed. The weapon is easily replaced with something else; and I don't hate the trim, but it's not going to be worth the price they charge for single Space Marine models.
The beak makes it bad for me, but there is a lot of versatility with this model. I don’t want it right now, but I may one day… He needs a big hammer. Bigger than that beautiful iron Warrior Warsmith.
The shilling in the 40k community is just sickening. I can appreciate that tastes vary, but do these people have agency? They are just mindless consumers. GW doesn't want cranky old men like us, gentlemen. We're too likely to hold them to task and demand quality for our money.
Games workshop doesnt seem to be able to design marines anymore , as theres no need , people will buy anything look at the primaris range , they are generic space man number 285
The trim looks too much like Guilliman’s 40k model for me to like it in heresy, the mk6 librarian looks way better imo because it’s just…. Blanker? Idk
Genuinely the most 'it's alright, 6 outta 10' mini i have seen. He's not terrible and he is a decent base for conversion but the last 2 reveals were so solid (minus the Halo 3 Grav hammer) this guy kinda falls down.
I do like the overall look of the model, but I still remember when they were saying non-Legion models were mostly going to be plastic going forward. If we're getting single character resin releases, please give the Legions their missing Praetors and characters.
I don’t mind it it’s not bad but it’s not a world eaters model so I am disappointed. Also the space wolf art looks kinda bland like other than the helmet it looks kinda plain for the space wolves
Not like they flipped the mk6 praetor out of the AoD box. 😅 Regardless of that, just looks crap. Wheres any mk other than mk6. Just looks stupid. Get us mk4 in that size.
These consols don't really interest me as I like to make my own anyway. I find people are much more enthusiastic and complementary about models I kitbashed together then some stock consol I bought.
I think he's a combination of gaudy and boring. He seems unnecessary to me. But there is no accounting for taste, so it probably works for some people.
You are missing the points... Why is it in resin and not plastic when GW have promised that HH would be mainly plastic?..... Why as the last release for the year of HH releases is it not another Consul or Praetor for the Legions such as Salamanders or Raven Guard? As those do not have any options as players have been begging for? Oh and why is it so generic and bleh and made out of a bunch of parts all of us have sitting about in bit boxes?
@f4lenwarrior In order: 1) It's cheaper to make resin models than it would be to make sprues. Yes, plastic models are insanely cheap... For established sculpts. If this model was made in plastic, I doubt that it would sell well enough to justify the initial development costs, especially since GW aren't pushing 30k nearly as much as they could. 2) Damned if I know. Best guess, it's what they have ready to go. Perhaps GW has a vendetta against Salamander and Raven Guard players (relax, I'm still waiting for the World Eaters praetor). 3) So GW should reinvent the wheel when it comes to new Marine models? Of course, models following a theme will look similar, it would be strange if they looked dramatically different. We can all convert and create our own Consul models, but kits like these provide more bits to do that. It's why I'm never too disappointed by new Consul models, whatever they are. Of course, these are only my guesses, educated or otherwise. Not sure that warrants *checks notes* almost 5 minutes of reading Facebook comments in a patronizing tone to barely make a point.
@@Capt.DanInJapan No, it isn't cheaper to make it out of resin... It's just more efficient for a one-off model with few variant parts that GW can sell for over inflated value. But the Dye used to hold that resin costs more as it has to deal with different materials, Resin costs more too as every injection has to have the whole machine and dye cleaned..... Stop being silly. Either way it's not going to sell well as it's essentially made out of spare bits and no one really cares for it, the entire community other than GW's facebook page say it's MEH at the very best. Try a better argument. Best guess is they don't care about the player base and just shit out a bunch of first draft models and try to price gouge people who are gullible or weak willed to pay for this crap. Who said GW have to re-invent the wheel... Way to go full hyperbole. Not every model requires a tactical rock and 1 arm in the air. I suggest you look through the vids on this channel, there's a brilliant vid that covers poses. Helmet swaps and no weapon options for a model that costs as much as an entire squad in plastic....... As for 5 minutes of reading facebook posts..... it raises a very valid point of how split the player base is and how GW's platform is filled with nothing but toxic positivity and get drawn in by a nostalgic paint job, how requests from players are ignored and how GW can't even justify a release because of "Beta Garmin" book.... As if that dumpster fire of a pamphlet for a campaign book sold well either 5 minutes out of 13 minutes... looks to me like you got caught up in commenting because maybe you were quoted in that facebook group and don't like hearing your words in an Aussie accent.. Or you are only seeing the surface content of this video and not the context of the other 8 minutes that come afterwards
@f4lenwarrior Just to sum up what's below, I watched the video and came to a different conclusion at the end. It's genuinely not worth getting so agitated about it, it's not healthy. For models that won't sell huge amounts, resin is the more efficient and cheaper option for short term sales. If GW expected this model to be in production long enough for it to be able to vote, like much of the Eldar range, they'd have shifted to plastic. The money on plastics is made and saved by the quantity of sales after their development. Manufacturing them is the cheapest part of development. The actual development of the sprue before it goes to the factory is the pricey part. Sure, you can kitbash any Marine model you please. It's not like we don't have enough kits and parts to use. By that logic, we don't really need anything else. Every model can look like any other, so unless you do the whole 3d printing thing, nothing need look interesting or slightly different beyond the paint scheme. As for the weapon options, don't you think that we've got enough solutions for that? Different people get different things out of the hobby. For some, it's all about the nostalgia trip. Some players have already kitbashed their Salamanders and Raven Guard Praetors. They've definitely been waiting too long for an official model. Some people throw bits into a box with some glue and shake it to make their models, while others like to follow the box art. As for Beta Garmon, I wouldn't know, I didn't buy it either. In any event, the quality of the books is another topic. As models go, the Overseer's pretty inoffensive. Good for kitbashes if that's your thing, not too bad as a standalone model, it's useful enough to justify itself in my opinion. Is it making my wallet itch? Not really. Will some people buy whatever dreck GW churns out? Absolutely. Is it worth getting so worked up over it? Of course not.
@@Capt.DanInJapan I'm not worked up, Thanks for the assumption, though. I just provided valid points, but sure believe what you want, say whatever you wish to feel like you came out on top. At the end of the day, other people will read both points and come to their own conclusions.
As popular as the third candidate in a two party system... this one seems set to land with a resounding "meh" but I'm curious as to what you all think. Not bad, not offensive, just all around ok and nothing else to offer for my tastes.
Conversion fodder?
Looks like a fitting Chaplain material
I think it's one of those things that might be appealing as conversion material if it were bundled as a plastic model in one of the army boxes they do. Like it'd make a great Blood Angels chaplain, but not great enough to pay Forgeworld character prices or piss about with resin. Especially since we've already got a plastic chaplain and if you wanted something fancier you could just convert something else like the Axe Praetor from AoD or the Black Templars Castellan.
Why would I buy this crap in resin when I've got all the parts in my bits box in plastic from 35 years of gaming. There is nothing new here. I could get the same model by just slapping parts together whilst having near infinite options for poses other than generic tactical rock and 1 arm up.... I wouldn't have to spend a penny extra. The only good thing about it is maybe... Well, I guess It isn't a tank....
I guess in a kinda loyalist EC, WB or ultramarine army he might work. Personaly i am much more interested in the traitor counterpart for my DG and NL.
Finally the long awaited middle management consul.
Next week Imperial HR officer
@@crispico4727 Come to think it this guy actually fits this role perfectly.
First order of business; "we need more trans-marines!"
@@crispico4727 those things are SCARY.
@@BittermanAndy nah it will just take up to many of your points and do fuck all
The little lore blurb they introduced him with and then the actual look of the mini feels like a weird disconnect.
They describe this guy as being an example of the loyalist making desperate cobbled together units of marines and solar aux with a adhock officer position created to organize those forces. The kind of guy that would be leading marine forces made up of field repaired and scavenged Mark V armor and solar aux who have been taking some heavy losses.
But the model meant to represent that dude has this pretty ornate and well kept armor. He doesn’t feel like he represents that kind of desperate leader of s cobbled together unit.
Like the minis is fine probably even pretty decent for conversion bits, but I don’t see myself using the mini to represent what he’s supposed to be.
Yeah, Id probably rather use a a basic sergeant or something else as a base. (It doesnt have to look elaborate because you wont confuse it with the guard its attached to)
The overuse of Mk VI armor in these character models is quite tiresome. The justification that it’s because the armor is the poster boy of Heresy 2.0 feels like a weak excuse for poor design.
I think this one might supposed to be Mark 4
@lanasmith4795 no it's definitely mk6 unfortunately. Just look at the ugly feet and toes. This model looks shit in my opinion. Win some you lose some
Helmet and legs say beakie@@lanasmith4795
Also the excuse that Mk VI is the poster boy of the heresy doesn't land because that was a choice they deliberately made when it didn't have to be. Could've done III or IV just as easily.
@@IVIaskeradethey flat out said Mark VI is the most popular armour mark
He stops reading the comments at 5:05 if anyone wants to know.
Thank you 🫡
Thanks. I was wondering when he'd finally change tack.
I think you're absolutely right, they should have released something similar to the Consul-Opsequiari that appeared on the Inferno colour plates. Especially since he's a loyalist overseer it would have been ultra cool to see an old Terran veteran in custom grey MKII armour watching over mortal troops to keep them loyal to the founding ideals of the Great Crusade.
yep got a solid "um ok *shrug*" from me. doing the Space Wolf overseer would for sure have been a better call. Narrativly it makes sense the guy the legion sent to hang out with the mortals to be in the older kit. That and Mk.II has a odd air of menace that works for someone who is intimidating baseline humans to hold their ground
SW overseer you say, I would like to know more
Also matches their pre-Russ roots if you want to go with the early Legion intimidation
Yeah also their whole shtick is to inspire humans with their sheer presence. MKll would certainly be the perfect choice as it's like the spitting image of the legendary crusaders that's leading them into battle.
I really like the chest piece. I appreciate characters that aren't dialed to 11 (like a recent hammer wielding character)
I like this sculpt purely for how design agnostic it is for most consuls, I can definitely see myself picking up 2-3 for conversions
These are just 40K models.
you can't convince me this isn't just 40k models they're branding as Heresy.
Also Macca, if you think anyone actually uses Facebook for GW content and that these aren't PR schills meant to astroturf consensus then I have bridge in London to sell you.
I have a clock in London also for sale Macca
Facts tbh, given mk6/7 are the definitive 40k armours. Primaris is 42k or wherever the "aDvaNcInG nArraTiVe" is now.
Looks more like a current Chaos Space Marine than any actual Horus Heresy marine.
Personally i quite like the model and given its pose could be used as a base fir a variety of consuls.
My only major critique is the totally not crozius. Id prefer something more staff or mass like.
The unhelmeted head is also quite good
I get that this is based off the Rogue Trader image, but I was really unimpressed with this model. They should have mirrored the Space wolf version, it would have been a good opportunity for them to show off some Mk2.
Overall reaction seems to be "Meh I guess I can use it for chaplain bits." Seems overly blinged from what we've seen of previous art for it, the hemet reminds me of an old metal mk 4 model's helmet with the break brought up slightly.
The unhelmet version looks like the Internet historian,Hersey I say good Sah
Oh look, its my future Chaplain for my Marines Malevolent
Hell yeah.
Trying to sneak in the MK VII with that torso, I see. Hope they don't start retconning a bunch of 40K stuff in now that Primaris are taking over there, I like the aesthetic divide between 30K and 40K.
Decent model though, I'm not amazed, but I don't dislike it. Just glad there's no super-chunky details like on those 40K Chaplains.
Most people are going to use that kit to make a chaplain I think. The fancy swirls on the armour might suit a blood angel or even an emperor's children character.
Its just all right. Middle of road. Good for conversions
holy crap been a while since an outer circle video showed up in my feed, glad to see youre still in the age of darkness
the woke slave master consul
i am also very indifferent and have pretty much given up on new content for the HH, between the stuff we already have, which i think in general is good stuff, and all the fantastic artists who outperform GW at literally every turn, my new 3d printer is giving me everything i ever wanted from HH
When it goes to recast I want one just for the crozius
Not mentioning the mk VII looking torso?
I can see it as a Herald or something for BA or EC, but probably not for the price point for a resin character. I personally wouldn't use him as a chaplain. Even in 30k, I'd want a chaplain to be a bit more brutal and mean looking.
This model does indeed exist, *shrug* I have enough chaplains
For the tactical rock stuff, idk why they don't just make the whole base slope up gently under that foot - that way it looks a lot more scenic and yet also is more neutral than a random rock sticking up outta nowhere
"But it does have rules Check out Beta Garmin's campaign book" almost made me throw up.
It's OK. I think I could kitbash a better one.
Would be interested to know your thoughts about the made to order space marine company command. I've heard that you can use mark 7 in the Horus heresy now but man is it expensive.
Can tell from experience that it's one of the best kits they ever made, imo it's almost a must have for every marine player. It gives you so many options and cool stuff it probably saves you money in the long run, so if you can afford it, get it.
My first impressions were it was very age of sigmar like with the swooshing trim etc
I miss hard lines
I think for a chaplain, that model is extremely...okay. It would be exactly what it would say on the tin, nothing more, nothing less. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I grow fond of it. For an overseer though? Aw man...tell me: when you look at this model, does it scream "I lead a force of solar auxilia" to you? Even that one praetor from the starter box with the crotch-pistol looks WAY more like what I'd imagine an overseer to look like (after an arm swap, obviously). Or, if you don't want to go the "I need fancy armor to impress" route but instead the "I am scrambling for bodies" route, that running dude in damaged mkv armor in a different pose would have been cool. Maybe both feet planted solidly on the ground, one hand pointing and the other holding a damaged helmet.
Toxic positivity run wild
Valrak culture continues to ruin the hobbie.
It would probably make a good chaplin model
Its good for chaplain conversions and really thats it, its an ok model that could be tweaked into a better model
The legion consoles are starting to turn into 30ks version of the primaries lieutenant. And I don’t like the trim and squiggly lines, and the amount of mk6 is to high for my liking
Can't be proper "Slav Riot Police(tm)" without the pendrek(agreed the primaris chaplain's basher would fit that bill way better). Also agreed on the space wolves' overseer(I have all the black books(minus 2.0) somewhere in my collection).
Modelwise, if I were to use this, I'd immediately swap the head with a saul tarvitz helmet (no fan of "beakie", looks goofy. Primaris one barely passes), I'd put a better basher in the left hand, I'd leave the trim, it sort-of works for me as-is(especially for a chapter or two in mind), swap shoulders, the greaves and I'd swap the tactical rock for a tactical corpse.
A great, subtle model. I have no idea about HH.. will be using it for 40K with a head swap because getting a good chaplain (with good proportions) in 40K these days is difficult.
HH increasingly looks like 40K as I remembered it as a kiddie. I'm just rolling with it. I can collect the army I dreamed of when young: cant' do that with Primaris nonsense.
It looks like it could be used as a delegatus model to me.
Where are my Silent Sisters on bikes or with psyker hunting dogs?
I like the model and the lore behind it, particularly agree on the helmet which is styled like Rouge Trader MKVI.
I am, however, a bit concerned about the use of a MKVII chest plate. The only Legions in lore currently with access to MKVII is the Loyalists of Terra during the Siege and the Alpha Legion. Maybe this’ll be expanded upon in future lore drops but currently it should be limited to those Legions.
As somone playing as Matsudan in Mantics firefight and Deadzone and as a halo flashpoint player it’s fine as a space marine Chaplin
I'm ok with how this one looks. It's not very exciting, but it's good enough. I would maybe consider getting one. Forgeworlds lack of quality control and insane prices is the main reason for me not to. I don't like the helmet very much, but that's very fixable. It is obviously a Chaplin, only his banner makes him look like a field police because of its symbol.
Did gw forget about mk2,3,4 and 5. I don’t hate mk 6 but I’m getting mk6 fatigue. I also don’t think it’s the type of armour that suits being heavy embellished.
I actually wouldn't mind this guy for "NobleBright" Chaplain for 40k.
My opinion on this dood is, it’s a neat model, but it feels like it fits better in 40K and no one…asked for this
Didn't they make this model already? It feels like limbo creativity..
I hate how they keep messing up mk vi leg trim
The trim reminds me of new chaos marine trim in that it’s awful and looks more like a mould error rather than deliberate design.
A proto chaplain? chaplains were already a thing before these.
When I first saw it I just thought it was a beakie chaplain
It's a nice model. If it were in plastic and therefore available from my supplier I'd buy it. In FW resin at AU prices it's unfortunately not an option...
There are a lot of people in the Heresy that clearly don't play.
With a corvid pack and head / gun swap he makes an ok chaplain for RG.
Mkvi is silly I general though. Mk3/4/5 would be better
I really like the model. I want to add it to my entirely mk.VI 40k army as a chaplain. I think it fits that era much better.
The head has that annoying 40k thing where it has the helmet ears still attached to the "helmetless" model, which is a shame because it's a really nice head otherwise.
The model itself is just ok, but I like the idea behind it, as a Word Bearers player. Basically, I'm pro anything that lets me field more militia in a thematic way. But really, why are they releasing things like this, there are much more important things they should be releasing instead.
Apart from the weapon and the trim this could be trivially kit-bashed. The weapon is easily replaced with something else; and I don't hate the trim, but it's not going to be worth the price they charge for single Space Marine models.
...and I'm sick to death of Mk VI.
The beak makes it bad for me, but there is a lot of versatility with this model. I don’t want it right now, but I may one day…
He needs a big hammer. Bigger than that beautiful iron Warrior Warsmith.
Like the librarian consul it's impressively average
The shilling in the 40k community is just sickening. I can appreciate that tastes vary, but do these people have agency? They are just mindless consumers.
GW doesn't want cranky old men like us, gentlemen. We're too likely to hold them to task and demand quality for our money.
Games workshop doesnt seem to be able to design marines anymore , as theres no need , people will buy anything look at the primaris range , they are generic space man number 285
The trim looks too much like Guilliman’s 40k model for me to like it in heresy, the mk6 librarian looks way better imo because it’s just…. Blanker? Idk
it looks cool but dang.
Genuinely the most 'it's alright, 6 outta 10' mini i have seen. He's not terrible and he is a decent base for conversion but the last 2 reveals were so solid (minus the Halo 3 Grav hammer) this guy kinda falls down.
Things I know!
it would be good master of marches (of wathever was the name)
I do like the overall look of the model, but I still remember when they were saying non-Legion models were mostly going to be plastic going forward. If we're getting single character resin releases, please give the Legions their missing Praetors and characters.
I don’t mind it it’s not bad but it’s not a world eaters model so I am disappointed. Also the space wolf art looks kinda bland like other than the helmet it looks kinda plain for the space wolves
Space wolves hardest models I've painted, still painting em hehe
Its alright. Its a chaplain though.
Not like they flipped the mk6 praetor out of the AoD box. 😅 Regardless of that, just looks crap. Wheres any mk other than mk6. Just looks stupid. Get us mk4 in that size.
MkVI was cool when it was few and far between. This is boring and the sculpt is boring.
These consols don't really interest me as I like to make my own anyway. I find people are much more enthusiastic and complementary about models I kitbashed together then some stock consol I bought.
models without rules, like Khan on bike? or smth for world eaters or sallies. Or Sisters of silence army?
A waste of a good Heresy Thursday. Of all the things they release, they give us a "Not Chaplin"/"Not Commisar."
It is really meh over all. Also the space wolves one would have been nice
Those comments can't be real people I swear it's gw bots I refuse to accept that
It's the valrak everything is GlOriUs crowd. They are toxic positive
I like it 🤷♂️
I think the models rules and purpose is pretty neat j won't be buying the model make my own instead
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I think he's a combination of gaudy and boring. He seems unnecessary to me. But there is no accounting for taste, so it probably works for some people.
So some people like the model more than you do. So what?
You are missing the points... Why is it in resin and not plastic when GW have promised that HH would be mainly plastic?..... Why as the last release for the year of HH releases is it not another Consul or Praetor for the Legions such as Salamanders or Raven Guard? As those do not have any options as players have been begging for? Oh and why is it so generic and bleh and made out of a bunch of parts all of us have sitting about in bit boxes?
@f4lenwarrior In order:
1) It's cheaper to make resin models than it would be to make sprues. Yes, plastic models are insanely cheap... For established sculpts. If this model was made in plastic, I doubt that it would sell well enough to justify the initial development costs, especially since GW aren't pushing 30k nearly as much as they could.
2) Damned if I know. Best guess, it's what they have ready to go. Perhaps GW has a vendetta against Salamander and Raven Guard players (relax, I'm still waiting for the World Eaters praetor).
3) So GW should reinvent the wheel when it comes to new Marine models? Of course, models following a theme will look similar, it would be strange if they looked dramatically different. We can all convert and create our own Consul models, but kits like these provide more bits to do that. It's why I'm never too disappointed by new Consul models, whatever they are.
Of course, these are only my guesses, educated or otherwise. Not sure that warrants *checks notes* almost 5 minutes of reading Facebook comments in a patronizing tone to barely make a point.
@@Capt.DanInJapan No, it isn't cheaper to make it out of resin... It's just more efficient for a one-off model with few variant parts that GW can sell for over inflated value. But the Dye used to hold that resin costs more as it has to deal with different materials, Resin costs more too as every injection has to have the whole machine and dye cleaned..... Stop being silly. Either way it's not going to sell well as it's essentially made out of spare bits and no one really cares for it, the entire community other than GW's facebook page say it's MEH at the very best. Try a better argument.
Best guess is they don't care about the player base and just shit out a bunch of first draft models and try to price gouge people who are gullible or weak willed to pay for this crap.
Who said GW have to re-invent the wheel... Way to go full hyperbole. Not every model requires a tactical rock and 1 arm in the air. I suggest you look through the vids on this channel, there's a brilliant vid that covers poses. Helmet swaps and no weapon options for a model that costs as much as an entire squad in plastic.......
As for 5 minutes of reading facebook posts..... it raises a very valid point of how split the player base is and how GW's platform is filled with nothing but toxic positivity and get drawn in by a nostalgic paint job, how requests from players are ignored and how GW can't even justify a release because of "Beta Garmin" book.... As if that dumpster fire of a pamphlet for a campaign book sold well either
5 minutes out of 13 minutes... looks to me like you got caught up in commenting because maybe you were quoted in that facebook group and don't like hearing your words in an Aussie accent.. Or you are only seeing the surface content of this video and not the context of the other 8 minutes that come afterwards
@f4lenwarrior Just to sum up what's below, I watched the video and came to a different conclusion at the end. It's genuinely not worth getting so agitated about it, it's not healthy.
For models that won't sell huge amounts, resin is the more efficient and cheaper option for short term sales. If GW expected this model to be in production long enough for it to be able to vote, like much of the Eldar range, they'd have shifted to plastic. The money on plastics is made and saved by the quantity of sales after their development. Manufacturing them is the cheapest part of development. The actual development of the sprue before it goes to the factory is the pricey part.
Sure, you can kitbash any Marine model you please. It's not like we don't have enough kits and parts to use. By that logic, we don't really need anything else. Every model can look like any other, so unless you do the whole 3d printing thing, nothing need look interesting or slightly different beyond the paint scheme. As for the weapon options, don't you think that we've got enough solutions for that?
Different people get different things out of the hobby. For some, it's all about the nostalgia trip. Some players have already kitbashed their Salamanders and Raven Guard Praetors. They've definitely been waiting too long for an official model. Some people throw bits into a box with some glue and shake it to make their models, while others like to follow the box art. As for Beta Garmon, I wouldn't know, I didn't buy it either. In any event, the quality of the books is another topic.
As models go, the Overseer's pretty inoffensive. Good for kitbashes if that's your thing, not too bad as a standalone model, it's useful enough to justify itself in my opinion. Is it making my wallet itch? Not really. Will some people buy whatever dreck GW churns out? Absolutely. Is it worth getting so worked up over it? Of course not.
@@Capt.DanInJapan I'm not worked up, Thanks for the assumption, though. I just provided valid points, but sure believe what you want, say whatever you wish to feel like you came out on top. At the end of the day, other people will read both points and come to their own conclusions.
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