"BuT YOu CaN juSt CoNVerT IT!" Sure, I can, or, y'know, maybe the billion $ company can sculpt a better weapon since I'm paying for it? Why is it always up to ME to fix it?
Imagine him actually swinging it, its ridiculous. I don't know why so many people are happy with weapons that are over sized to this degree, it sucks since I doubt they'll ever tone it down as people just eat it up.
"the hammer is ugly thus le bad because... because it just heccing is, okay!?" Womp womp how to tell you're dyel twig without saying it lmao. That hammer rules. It's not even a fucking hammer, it's a graviton crusher.
@@jpjp3486can’t this logic be applied to anything in 40k? The guns are too big with too small magazines, the armor is designed where you can’t lift your arms, the tanks aren’t built properly so they take shots directly to the face. I like the hammer, it ties in with what I expect from iron warriors, big and overwhelming force
I mean,Perturabo's model should be bigger,also should be Forgebreaker. Who knows,maybe with this recent wave of new primarchs, Perturabo gets a proper new model.
@@TheOuterCircle You are correct, but in the lore Perturabo is the tallest,with Horus a close second. Now horus and the new primarchs are taller than him. I'm imagining with the primarchs line remake,and the new marines,Gw will redo the primarch and give him proper scale. Don't get me wrong,the model is the the top 3, but take the scenic base and he is on par with foreword Angron and Ferrus. Personally tho, Lorgar should take preference,the model is amazing but it breaks easily, I'm on my third model.
Whelp, while I don't disagree with you on the size of the hammer head I'd settle if it had 2 barrels instead of 3. The 1 barrel version doesn't really look right to my eyes. However, thank you for the video and cannot wait to see how you rip them apart if, and hopefully when, Salamanders get an HQ model. Granted by the time that happens HH 8th edition might be getting ready to be released.
I gotta be honest while the original head ain’t good the edited version just looked bad, maybe a slight size increase for the head in the edit would be better cause that looks smaller then a thunder hammer/power maul head.
Agreed with polskastrong. Maybe if the hammer head in the edit was around ~20% bigger? As it stands, the hammer head in the edit is realistically the right size, but this is Warhammer, where looking cool is more important than other boring things like physics.
Damn, can you imagine the recovery time from swinging that ridiculously gigantic hammer? You better make sure you take them out in one blow because I don't think you're getting another!
Going to convert it to give him a second hammer in the left hand. The servo arm into a hammer, and all three hammers add extra hammers on and enlarge them. I'll then convert the base to have him stood on a tactical hammer.
It’s the smallest of pet peeves with the mini, but the way the hammer seems to sit on the model leaves the bottom of the hammer just hovering off the ground despite the pose very clearly being the warsmith resting the weapon on the ground and letting it lean of from him a little. The hammer head is awful and will need changed, but the bottom hovering off the ground in a flat neutral pose will probably end up annoying me more.
The first thing I thought when I saw the model is “The armor looks a little cluttered,” but my biggest concern with the hammer is structural. I expect that’ll be the first thing to snap off and you’ll have to kitbash it anyway. I expect if the hammer’s head was half its size - cut horizontally - this wouldn’t be nearly so great a problem. If the dude is already trying to kiss up to Perty by using plated pteruges, why wouldn’t his hammer closer emulate Forgebreaker’s profile?
It's a bit shit, and also weirdly random, that they did two different versions of this guy and made one an exclusive. They could have done a power armored version as well instead of two of these guys and IW would have been good on HQs. I'm surprised people aren't talking more about that.
Wholeheartedly agreed, with a power armour version (like mk2/mk3/mk5 pick one) IW would have been fine for another 3 years of nothing, as it is I don't have any need for a cata praetor, much less a digitally reposed, presumably more expensive one that I can only get from Nottingham.
@@Jackalos1 unless something has drastically changed in the last 3 years, this is nothing but a pittance, and there's plenty more imperial fist characters and legions imperialis to push
@@egnaroelprup With the new box set rumours, some might hope Salamanders and Iron Warriors get the Imperials Fists treatment next... but it must be said those Camba Diaz rules will certainly lead to a new model first!
I dont love the design on your updated hammer tbh, but i do agree that this one is larger then ideal. What if you removed the middle grav vent from the wep? so it was only two rather then three? so about 1/3 smaller overal but same design? I feel like that could be a cool idea to play with.
90% of it is good, yes the hammer is big and clunky and most people will change it , but Macca it’s not space wolf banana fur bad or blood angel lanky leg terminator bad. It’s an easy fix and I’ll take that for a win
When I look at this and I look at the hammer, I don’t mind the design of the hammer. But then my eyes shift to the rest of the model and its like dear lord, the hammer head is the size of the torso of the terminator. I think if the hammer head was either proportionally shrunk by 50% or if instead of having 3 circle bits on the front, the hammer was cut off after the 1st circle it would look good.
I think warhammers look cooler when their heads are smaller, like the real life ones. It also makes them more effective because more force is concentrated in a smaller area.
I'm gonna get a recast of it, and use it in my Iron Hands, for 40k, and switch the hammer with a different one, that I 3d printed. And there's nothing GW can do to stop me!
Stupid nitpick but given the clear weight of the hammer, why didn't they pose (the builder/painter at fw) the model to actually be resting the pommel on the floor. It just adds to the goofiness.
I think it's a great model tbh. Yes the hammer might be one to swap out, but so what - as you say the mini itself is a nice sculpt. In the aftermath of the recent appalling blood angels releases, this is at least slightly redeeming.
I reckon it's a 10/10 if you replace the hammer. The armour is perfect I wouldn't change anything about it personally. Ornate enough to show that he's a leader but not flashy at all just brutal industrial vibes. I love that the hanging metal plates form chevron stripes just like their shoulder stripes that's a great detail. If they do make an IW praetor/warsmith in power armour I hope they give him a power claw arm like the old metal warsmith that would be so sick.
If I got this miniature, I'd swap out that hammer head without a doubt. Didn't notice the studs you pointed out. I'd shave those off too. Otherwise. The only changes to the model I'd make a personal ones. Like give him a power or chainfist along with some wrist mounted bolter like the Grey Knights have. Otherwise. Things okay. Although I might not bother with the servo arm. Just to make packing easier. That and hide the banner marker saying "I like it entrenching, please shoot me with artillery."
I think I love this model as is. I am going to get both which will kick off my Horus Heresy journey. I can see what you mean with the hammer however I do like some over the top weapons.
I thought it was fine and kinda cool untiI saw the one you photoshopped. You are completely right it looks like they copy pasted it from the other model, there is no reason for it to be that big, lore wise it shouldn’t be that big, and lastly honestly i like your version way better and they could still copy paste.
I really don't care if the hammer looks a bit oversized. It's 95% good and I'm definitely buying it to lead my Iron Warriors. However, I really didn't like the quick photoshop of that dinky, tiny baby hammer. There's gotta be a middle ground between those that's just perfect.
Mine is scaled appropriately to the rest of the hammers in the game. BUT if you're looking at the long shaft and big terminator, you may just think it looks small when you think of a 1-handed hammer when comparing the shaft length. Either way mine is 100% better ;)
@ And you are entitled to your wrong opinion, as am I. ;) In all fairness though…I really hate that I can’t unsee how oversized the hammer is. But I can just deal with it.
The hammer makes an otherwise really good mini look goofy. I was thinking about buying it and slap something more sensible on top of the shaft. But why? By this time I've converted and painted 4 solid (in my opinion) IW praetors while waiting years for GW to release something like this.
Sir, you're not being salty or needless negative for the sake of negativity. You're giving GW the honest kick up the arse it needs in order to do better.
shifting the style of warhammer is my biggest concern, i dont like it in 40k and i even less like it in 30k. 40k is comic hero shooter territory by now, i hate it. today, if i need to convert a model, i dont buy it unless its price is very good to serve as a basis. i print conversion parts anyways, so why shouldnt i print the basis aswell?
I’m looking to get into HH and always checking out the releases while planning my future purchases. (BTW, I’m stuck between Iron Warriors, Death Guard, and Emperor’s Children. If anyone’s got pros and cons to help me pick, I’d really appreciate it-I’m a total noob to the system.) I like this model, but there are a few things that bug me. The hammer and bare head give off major Fallout 4 Brotherhood of Steel vibes, especially the hammer-it looks way too much like that super sledge with the rocket thing. Cool in Fallout, but kinda silly for Warhammer IMO. Also, what’s with all the slots and vents on armor lately? The shin guards especially would look so much better as solid plates instead of that weird triangular design. And is it just me, or is that hammer shaft way too thick? Honestly, I just don’t like the hammer at all. As for the helmet, it reminds me too much of the new Blood Angels helmets that look like Grey Knight helmets from 40k. I’d prefer something closer to the classic MK II with the metal faceplate studded in the front to better reflect the legion's iconography. Overall, it’s a good model, but it has the potential to be so much better with a few tweaks.
So, take an already existing cad file and 'just' change this bit and 'just' this other bit and 'just' scale it down so it's not the size of the entire terminator. WELL DONE. You successfully described exactly what the designer did. Guess that's why they pay YOU the big buck.🙃
You have every right to be unhappy, you're a paying customer. When rivet counters question my paint jobs i simply tell them "you buy me the models and I'll paint them your way"
Way i'd fix the hammer(a la pete the wargammer style) - cut handle in half, pin the bottom thing(boss/pommel)onto the end of new handle. Cut off the old hammer head, cut it again into 3 sections(top and bottom ones) just where they drew lines in it, carefully put it back together(so it looks trimmed), also cut the top and bottom "vent", or replace those with appropriate axe head(triangle or so), and put a better spike on top, and voila, you got yourself a handy siege halberd. The "ww2 tank head cover" could still work as part of the undersuit/soft seal/however they call the thing marines use as layer between their skin and outer armor plates. I draw my marines both with and without said head cover if unhelmeted.
As a 40k IW player, my first thought was "Nice! GW remembered us! I want this as a Lord! I mean, the hammer has obviously got to go, and maybe the gun, but the rest of the mini is amazing!"
I rate this model heavy. The hammer is stupid as hell but it reminds me of the grav hammer from halo which makes my inner child love it (although even those werent this damn big). Only one IW logo and its not massive, a new heresy models only complaint being the weapon being stupid is a big improvement. The trim looks great and the helmet/head look good. I almost forgot, NO TACTICAL ROCK I think what went wrong with the weapon is how damn big the handle is, they felt like they needed to put a stupidly massive hammer on it. The handle is like double the witch and length of basically every other hammer too
I think the extra little skull on the belt buckle is a bit much, and if that hammer doesn't get unique stats that let it love tap knights, it's definitely too big. However, he is a handsome boy and I need two.
Graviton Crusher: S+2 unwieldy 2 handed and Haywire. So exactly the same effect as the (also no model yet) graviton mace on a Knight, lacking the strength bonus, unwieldy and 2-handed.
I personally think that having one of the Iron Warriors specific grav weapons would have looked great this looks like a fallout super sledge, I would have preferred a smaller weapon or a more creative design for the hammer not a copied design.
Nah, I think it’s an amazing model, hammer included. If he was in standard power armour, I might agree that the hammer’s too big but he’s in cataphracti, the biggest and the beefiest terminator armour so I think a ginormous weapon that’s a bit ridiculous works when paired with the armour that’s ginormous and a bit ridiculous. I don’t think the hammerhead was a copy paste with bits added either. You wouldn’t say “ oh he’s got a similar looking combi-grav to another model so it’s clearly just a copy paste job”. No, it’s just the same type of weapon as another model, one the designer thought looked cool. There is also (while minor) clear differences in this models hammerhead and the picture you showed. Also, saying “other people would like the model regardless, so they should have made it the way I want instead” is a really bad argument and also just not true. Having the hammerhead be this big is definitely polarising, but having it be the size in your proposed design is bad in a different way. There would be less anger about the model (probably) but there would also be far less of a draw to it. I personally don’t think it would be such a great model without his radiator on a stick and others who love the hammer would probably agree. There have been parts of models that you personally love that others have found too outlandish and ridiculous and there will be more in the future. People have opinions and that’s fine. If the reaction to this model was pretty universal hatred, then you might be right in saying it’s objectively bad. But that isn’t the reaction. Some people love it, some hate it and some think it’s just ok. So saying it’s objectively bad, just can’t be true then. Tldr: some like big hammer. Some don’t. Some would like small hammer. Some wouldn’t.
It legit worries me how far down the anime/looter shooter grossly proportioned rabbit hole we have fallen. You are literally voting for a weapon multiple times larger than the Primarch's Strength 12 hammer, a weapon as large as the terminator's entire torso.
It's him, John Warhammer 😂 Personally I like it, but I would convert it to take advantage of the servo arm. I'd have it handing the weapon to him like he's just spotted a worthy opponent.
I really don't like the HH 2.0 trend of MMO-scale oversized weapons. I definitely would've cut the graviton hammer head down by 33-50%, but other than that, I think these are great (Warhammer World exclusive aside). I agree that they're not cluttered too, I actually think they showed a lot of restraint with the armour, while keeping it in line with Peter Turbo's. The paint job on the bare head's eh though. It looks like they shaded the forehead wrinkles as dark as the undersides of the cheekbones, so he looks like a Genestealer Cultist. They should be a lot lighter, since they're shallow and high up on the face. But even a lot of better painters make that mistake, and it's just paint, not the sculpt, so no big deal.
Only thing that i would convert on it is capable switching to Power Fist and the hammer, so could utilise in both HH and 40k. unhelmeted face gives me Ron Swanson look with that mustache
I made a very similar hammer years ago for a dreadnought conversion using ammo boxes and bits 😂 ....it's looks good on a dreadnought because it's in scale , I completely agree way to over the top even for 30/40k , it's a silly hammer head .
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"BuT YOu CaN juSt CoNVerT IT!" Sure, I can, or, y'know, maybe the billion $ company can sculpt a better weapon since I'm paying for it? Why is it always up to ME to fix it?
Here I come Cousin Yuri/Uncle Mao red⛩️🟥⭐......
Conversions also have the potential to damage resale value.
JuSt CoSuMe!!!! Thinking and critical discussion are the enemy of hype!
Funny, I think the weapon is okay. But I absolutley dislike the servo arm.
A fix is easy just give the kit options and done.
"You can just convert it" is weak because newsflash genius, I could already convert existing models.
That weapon is truly the Warhammer 30,000.
Now that's a hammer🤣
The 25 barrel version is truly the king.
Looks like a gravity hammer from halo 3
I was just thinking the same thing :)
And thats why i like it.
Jesus, that's what it reminded me of. Lol
It is a graviton hammer. I think it’s bad ass.
It's just the 40k-ification of the minis, the more refined proportions of forge world have gone by the wayside
It's not a Hammer, it's a Graviton Crusher.
Nah Makka is wrong this hammer needs to be at least 2x bigger.
Looks like he has a AC unit instead of a freaking hammer! But the dude by himself it's quite nice
I gotta disagree this time. I personally think the hammer rules. 🔨
It's ok to be wrong.
Imagine him actually swinging it, its ridiculous. I don't know why so many people are happy with weapons that are over sized to this degree, it sucks since I doubt they'll ever tone it down as people just eat it up.
"the hammer is ugly thus le bad because... because it just heccing is, okay!?"
Womp womp how to tell you're dyel twig without saying it lmao. That hammer rules. It's not even a fucking hammer, it's a graviton crusher.
It's not a hammer it's a graviton crusher.
Anyone want to be nerdy enough to argue that Graviton Crushers are not that big in real life?
@@jpjp3486can’t this logic be applied to anything in 40k? The guns are too big with too small magazines, the armor is designed where you can’t lift your arms, the tanks aren’t built properly so they take shots directly to the face. I like the hammer, it ties in with what I expect from iron warriors, big and overwhelming force
I'm just happy to see Iron Warriors get a model at all!
Am I the only one who thinks that the warsmiths hammer is bigger than perturabos own hammer?
It's much much larger than the Primarch's.
I mean,Perturabo's model should be bigger,also should be Forgebreaker. Who knows,maybe with this recent wave of new primarchs, Perturabo gets a proper new model.
@@reinhardtc.p why should he be bigger? He's huge! The Primarch minis are huge boys!
@@TheOuterCircle You are correct, but in the lore Perturabo is the tallest,with Horus a close second. Now horus and the new primarchs are taller than him. I'm imagining with the primarchs line remake,and the new marines,Gw will redo the primarch and give him proper scale. Don't get me wrong,the model is the the top 3, but take the scenic base and he is on par with foreword Angron and Ferrus. Personally tho, Lorgar should take preference,the model is amazing but it breaks easily, I'm on my third model.
OK i checked and reread some bits. Maybe the tallest are PettyBo, Vulcan, Magnus? Horus ascended only at the end of the siege?
Whelp, while I don't disagree with you on the size of the hammer head I'd settle if it had 2 barrels instead of 3. The 1 barrel version doesn't really look right to my eyes. However, thank you for the video and cannot wait to see how you rip them apart if, and hopefully when, Salamanders get an HQ model. Granted by the time that happens HH 8th edition might be getting ready to be released.
I had the same thought, just remove one of the “barrels” and it would be better
Agreement
RAAAA ITS FUCKING MAJESTIC
The sculpt is WH30K. The hammer is WTF30K.
"Stonkin great hammer"
Get me off this ride.
I liked the hammer personally.
But I came to hear Macca salt and I got it 😁
I don't mind it, looks fine when he's two handing it.
The two-handed one is actually a slightly different weapon....
@@TheOuterCircle How strange, IDK my standards of bad have changed ever since the 40k Mechanicus.
@@aldraone-mu5ygt-shirt guns were the low for me.
The hammer head looks like the thruster on a land speeder
I'd make your edit a smidge bigger so that way the hammer side is just as busy as the firearm side
What if you just leave the top barrel and clip off the bottom 2?
I gotta be honest while the original head ain’t good the edited version just looked bad, maybe a slight size increase for the head in the edit would be better cause that looks smaller then a thunder hammer/power maul head.
...it's the same size as any other Thunder Hammer in my redo?
@@TheOuterCircle think its more due to the size of the shaft making it look small. its very long.
Agreed with polskastrong. Maybe if the hammer head in the edit was around ~20% bigger? As it stands, the hammer head in the edit is realistically the right size, but this is Warhammer, where looking cool is more important than other boring things like physics.
@@Traven158 you're welcome to go edit it yourself, I'll take zero offence!
Yay! Only twelve years later.
Damn, can you imagine the recovery time from swinging that ridiculously gigantic hammer? You better make sure you take them out in one blow because I don't think you're getting another!
Going to convert it to give him a second hammer in the left hand. The servo arm into a hammer, and all three hammers add extra hammers on and enlarge them. I'll then convert the base to have him stood on a tactical hammer.
It’s the smallest of pet peeves with the mini, but the way the hammer seems to sit on the model leaves the bottom of the hammer just hovering off the ground despite the pose very clearly being the warsmith resting the weapon on the ground and letting it lean of from him a little.
The hammer head is awful and will need changed, but the bottom hovering off the ground in a flat neutral pose will probably end up annoying me more.
That hovering bit really bothers me too. I just can’t NOT see it.
In this household Perturabo was a hero. End of story!
When I saw that thumbnail, two thoughts entered my mind.
1. WHAT BY THE EMPEROR'S HOLY BALLS IS THAT WEAPON!?
2. Yeah, GW would sculpt that.
The first thing I thought when I saw the model is “The armor looks a little cluttered,” but my biggest concern with the hammer is structural. I expect that’ll be the first thing to snap off and you’ll have to kitbash it anyway.
I expect if the hammer’s head was half its size - cut horizontally - this wouldn’t be nearly so great a problem. If the dude is already trying to kiss up to Perty by using plated pteruges, why wouldn’t his hammer closer emulate Forgebreaker’s profile?
There is no tactical rock. How can you have a hero model without a tactical rock?
Hammer is utterly ridiculous, but the rest of the model is great. It's like two different people sculpted the bloody thing.
That scaled down version looks so much nicer
I think the big hammer looks cool (if you don't think about it). I also don't play HH and I'll never buy the model, so ignore me.
It's a bit shit, and also weirdly random, that they did two different versions of this guy and made one an exclusive. They could have done a power armored version as well instead of two of these guys and IW would have been good on HQs.
I'm surprised people aren't talking more about that.
Wholeheartedly agreed, with a power armour version (like mk2/mk3/mk5 pick one) IW would have been fine for another 3 years of nothing, as it is I don't have any need for a cata praetor, much less a digitally reposed, presumably more expensive one that I can only get from Nottingham.
No reason to assume there won't also be a power armoured version. Most of the legions that already have two praetors had them revealed separately.
@@Jackalos1 unless something has drastically changed in the last 3 years, this is nothing but a pittance, and there's plenty more imperial fist characters and legions imperialis to push
@@egnaroelprup With the new box set rumours, some might hope Salamanders and Iron Warriors get the Imperials Fists treatment next... but it must be said those Camba Diaz rules will certainly lead to a new model first!
That hammer is straight ripped from halo with the brutes gravity hammer having the same exact 3 hole design 😂
I dont love the design on your updated hammer tbh, but i do agree that this one is larger then ideal. What if you removed the middle grav vent from the wep? so it was only two rather then three? so about 1/3 smaller overal but same design? I feel like that could be a cool idea to play with.
I didn't even notice the hammer until you pointed it out. Now I can't unsee it. The 1 barrel also looks bad though
90% of it is good, yes the hammer is big and clunky and most people will change it , but Macca it’s not space wolf banana fur bad or blood angel lanky leg terminator bad. It’s an easy fix and I’ll take that for a win
This counts as at least half of the 30,000 warhammers. . .
A fine looking Primus Medicae right here....
When I look at this and I look at the hammer, I don’t mind the design of the hammer. But then my eyes shift to the rest of the model and its like dear lord, the hammer head is the size of the torso of the terminator. I think if the hammer head was either proportionally shrunk by 50% or if instead of having 3 circle bits on the front, the hammer was cut off after the 1st circle it would look good.
I think warhammers look cooler when their heads are smaller, like the real life ones. It also makes them more effective because more force is concentrated in a smaller area.
It's a Gravhalberd! Seriously it is like waaayy too big I agree, but I don't mind it as much on the walking pose since it's held with both hands.
I'm gonna get a recast of it, and use it in my Iron Hands, for 40k, and switch the hammer with a different one, that I 3d printed. And there's nothing GW can do to stop me!
It’s a giant waffle iron.
Those Iron Warriors have to warm up, their field rations somehow!
Stupid nitpick but given the clear weight of the hammer, why didn't they pose (the builder/painter at fw) the model to actually be resting the pommel on the floor. It just adds to the goofiness.
The hammer looks like a axe with out the blade section
An axe with a switchblade?! That has to be one of the most iron warrior things ever.
I think it's a great model tbh. Yes the hammer might be one to swap out, but so what - as you say the mini itself is a nice sculpt. In the aftermath of the recent appalling blood angels releases, this is at least slightly redeeming.
I reckon it's a 10/10 if you replace the hammer. The armour is perfect I wouldn't change anything about it personally. Ornate enough to show that he's a leader but not flashy at all just brutal industrial vibes. I love that the hanging metal plates form chevron stripes just like their shoulder stripes that's a great detail.
If they do make an IW praetor/warsmith in power armour I hope they give him a power claw arm like the old metal warsmith that would be so sick.
We need more guys with power lances please
If I got this miniature, I'd swap out that hammer head without a doubt. Didn't notice the studs you pointed out. I'd shave those off too. Otherwise. The only changes to the model I'd make a personal ones. Like give him a power or chainfist along with some wrist mounted bolter like the Grey Knights have. Otherwise. Things okay. Although I might not bother with the servo arm. Just to make packing easier. That and hide the banner marker saying "I like it entrenching, please shoot me with artillery."
I think I love this model as is. I am going to get both which will kick off my Horus Heresy journey. I can see what you mean with the hammer however I do like some over the top weapons.
The hammer's too big but I'm glad we finally have a gravaton weapon for marines. (But yes, too big,)
I thought it was fine and kinda cool untiI saw the one you photoshopped. You are completely right it looks like they copy pasted it from the other model, there is no reason for it to be that big, lore wise it shouldn’t be that big, and lastly honestly i like your version way better and they could still copy paste.
Armor great, even non helmeted head, which I hate is great. That hammer was chosen by someone who never swung a sledgehammer...
It looks like an overwatch weapon
I really don't care if the hammer looks a bit oversized. It's 95% good and I'm definitely buying it to lead my Iron Warriors. However, I really didn't like the quick photoshop of that dinky, tiny baby hammer. There's gotta be a middle ground between those that's just perfect.
Mine is scaled appropriately to the rest of the hammers in the game. BUT if you're looking at the long shaft and big terminator, you may just think it looks small when you think of a 1-handed hammer when comparing the shaft length. Either way mine is 100% better ;)
@ And you are entitled to your wrong opinion, as am I. ;)
In all fairness though…I really hate that I can’t unsee how oversized the hammer is. But I can just deal with it.
@@loltwest9423 if you can live with it, I'm totally cool with that and I don't intend to try and take that away from you.
The hammer makes an otherwise really good mini look goofy. I was thinking about buying it and slap something more sensible on top of the shaft. But why? By this time I've converted and painted 4 solid (in my opinion) IW praetors while waiting years for GW to release something like this.
Sir, you're not being salty or needless negative for the sake of negativity. You're giving GW the honest kick up the arse it needs in order to do better.
shifting the style of warhammer is my biggest concern, i dont like it in 40k and i even less like it in 30k.
40k is comic hero shooter territory by now, i hate it.
today, if i need to convert a model, i dont buy it unless its price is very good to serve as a basis.
i print conversion parts anyways, so why shouldnt i print the basis aswell?
The hammer is about the same size as the axe on your Autek Mor model
if they scaled the hammer down just a bit i'd say it was perfect, like from three 'barrels' down to two.
I’m looking to get into HH and always checking out the releases while planning my future purchases. (BTW, I’m stuck between Iron Warriors, Death Guard, and Emperor’s Children. If anyone’s got pros and cons to help me pick, I’d really appreciate it-I’m a total noob to the system.)
I like this model, but there are a few things that bug me. The hammer and bare head give off major Fallout 4 Brotherhood of Steel vibes, especially the hammer-it looks way too much like that super sledge with the rocket thing. Cool in Fallout, but kinda silly for Warhammer IMO. Also, what’s with all the slots and vents on armor lately? The shin guards especially would look so much better as solid plates instead of that weird triangular design. And is it just me, or is that hammer shaft way too thick? Honestly, I just don’t like the hammer at all.
As for the helmet, it reminds me too much of the new Blood Angels helmets that look like Grey Knight helmets from 40k. I’d prefer something closer to the classic MK II with the metal faceplate studded in the front to better reflect the legion's iconography.
Overall, it’s a good model, but it has the potential to be so much better with a few tweaks.
The shaft is way too thick. On the army front, paint a mini from each and see what’s tolerable.
GW: People sure like kitbashing our models. You know, Iron warriors inparticular seem to love kitbashing, lets give them kitbashed Warsmith.
So, take an already existing cad file and 'just' change this bit and 'just' this other bit and 'just' scale it down so it's not the size of the entire terminator. WELL DONE. You successfully described exactly what the designer did. Guess that's why they pay YOU the big buck.🙃
When I get this, I'm putting on a halo gravity hammer head straight off my 3d printer.
the hammer looks something a cosplayer made for comiccon Spot On Video
You have every right to be unhappy, you're a paying customer. When rivet counters question my paint jobs i simply tell them "you buy me the models and I'll paint them your way"
Way i'd fix the hammer(a la pete the wargammer style) - cut handle in half, pin the bottom thing(boss/pommel)onto the end of new handle. Cut off the old hammer head, cut it again into 3 sections(top and bottom ones) just where they drew lines in it, carefully put it back together(so it looks trimmed), also cut the top and bottom "vent", or replace those with appropriate axe head(triangle or so), and put a better spike on top, and voila, you got yourself a handy siege halberd.
The "ww2 tank head cover" could still work as part of the undersuit/soft seal/however they call the thing marines use as layer between their skin and outer armor plates. I draw my marines both with and without said head cover if unhelmeted.
He would look about 20% better with the siege breaker consoles hammer
As a 40k IW player, my first thought was "Nice! GW remembered us! I want this as a Lord! I mean, the hammer has obviously got to go, and maybe the gun, but the rest of the mini is amazing!"
I agree on the mini, but the Sopranos end was pitch perfect ;)
So if you squint and turn your head and jump up and down on one foot that hammer looks good.
Thought it was the first good model to come out of the HH series in a long time
That's it, I'm getting me mallet.
I rate this model heavy. The hammer is stupid as hell but it reminds me of the grav hammer from halo which makes my inner child love it (although even those werent this damn big). Only one IW logo and its not massive, a new heresy models only complaint being the weapon being stupid is a big improvement. The trim looks great and the helmet/head look good. I almost forgot, NO TACTICAL ROCK
I think what went wrong with the weapon is how damn big the handle is, they felt like they needed to put a stupidly massive hammer on it. The handle is like double the witch and length of basically every other hammer too
I think the extra little skull on the belt buckle is a bit much, and if that hammer doesn't get unique stats that let it love tap knights, it's definitely too big.
However, he is a handsome boy and I need two.
Graviton Crusher: S+2 unwieldy 2 handed and Haywire. So exactly the same effect as the (also no model yet) graviton mace on a Knight, lacking the strength bonus, unwieldy and 2-handed.
You could say the Warsmith has a Warhammer 30,000
I personally think that having one of the Iron Warriors specific grav weapons would have looked great this looks like a fallout super sledge, I would have preferred a smaller weapon or a more creative design for the hammer not a copied design.
I love the hammer! Its ridiculous but also just CHUNK
Nah, I think it’s an amazing model, hammer included. If he was in standard power armour, I might agree that the hammer’s too big but he’s in cataphracti, the biggest and the beefiest terminator armour so I think a ginormous weapon that’s a bit ridiculous works when paired with the armour that’s ginormous and a bit ridiculous. I don’t think the hammerhead was a copy paste with bits added either. You wouldn’t say “ oh he’s got a similar looking combi-grav to another model so it’s clearly just a copy paste job”. No, it’s just the same type of weapon as another model, one the designer thought looked cool. There is also (while minor) clear differences in this models hammerhead and the picture you showed.
Also, saying “other people would like the model regardless, so they should have made it the way I want instead” is a really bad argument and also just not true. Having the hammerhead be this big is definitely polarising, but having it be the size in your proposed design is bad in a different way. There would be less anger about the model (probably) but there would also be far less of a draw to it. I personally don’t think it would be such a great model without his radiator on a stick and others who love the hammer would probably agree.
There have been parts of models that you personally love that others have found too outlandish and ridiculous and there will be more in the future. People have opinions and that’s fine. If the reaction to this model was pretty universal hatred, then you might be right in saying it’s objectively bad. But that isn’t the reaction. Some people love it, some hate it and some think it’s just ok. So saying it’s objectively bad, just can’t be true then.
Tldr: some like big hammer. Some don’t. Some would like small hammer. Some wouldn’t.
It legit worries me how far down the anime/looter shooter grossly proportioned rabbit hole we have fallen. You are literally voting for a weapon multiple times larger than the Primarch's Strength 12 hammer, a weapon as large as the terminator's entire torso.
@@TheOuterCircleyou’re grasping at straws man.
@@lewiscampbell8683I don’t think so, at least 65% of responders on the poll don’t like it for that very reason.
I like the design of the hammer. If the head was half or maybe a third the size and shaft was shorter it'd be great
It's him, John Warhammer 😂
Personally I like it, but I would convert it to take advantage of the servo arm. I'd have it handing the weapon to him like he's just spotted a worthy opponent.
I think the shaft is also way to thick, it bothers me that he can't get his hand around the bloody thing.
Its a Monster Hunter sized Hammer for a Iron Warriros Terminator fighting with a Monster Hunter moveset.
(The monster is insecuirities.)
Overall i give this model a 9.8/10🔥
Oh one take we can agree upon! and yet vast majority of IW think its greatest hammer ever
I liked the Hammer until you and others in the comments brought up proportions. You're right.
At least Horus Heresy is getting more stuff, that game is constantly not getting as much attention as it used to.
i really like the big fuckoff hammer but yeah i would argue it does need an alternate option for the hammer head
95% of the model is fine- macabre
Me looking at model: you mean 85%
(The rest is the hammer)
At least it doesn't have a tactical rock, the hammer head is crap, though. Only thing I like is the servo-arm.
He’s holding the massive hammer to distract you from noticing that he’s actually a Genestealer cultist. And it seems to have worked!
I really don't like the HH 2.0 trend of MMO-scale oversized weapons. I definitely would've cut the graviton hammer head down by 33-50%, but other than that, I think these are great (Warhammer World exclusive aside). I agree that they're not cluttered too, I actually think they showed a lot of restraint with the armour, while keeping it in line with Peter Turbo's.
The paint job on the bare head's eh though. It looks like they shaded the forehead wrinkles as dark as the undersides of the cheekbones, so he looks like a Genestealer Cultist. They should be a lot lighter, since they're shallow and high up on the face. But even a lot of better painters make that mistake, and it's just paint, not the sculpt, so no big deal.
Only thing that i would convert on it is capable switching to Power Fist and the hammer, so could utilise in both HH and 40k.
unhelmeted face gives me Ron Swanson look with that mustache
A wave of fatigue hit me when I read the team ‘stonking great hammer’ in that article.
I just want Warhammer to end. I’m tired.
i think the mini looks super awesome but im probably converting that to a thunder hammer anyways cuz i dont like grav hammer
I love how the skull is smiling in ^^ way. Very heresy, muh grimdark.
That was my first thought when I saw this picture OC man it would suck to have to kit bash that hammer into an ax or something that looks good lol
"Macca you are allowed 1 negative comment for every 10 positive comments"
-gw
I made a very similar hammer years ago for a dreadnought conversion using ammo boxes and bits 😂 ....it's looks good on a dreadnought because it's in scale , I completely agree way to over the top even for 30/40k , it's a silly hammer head .
I love the hammer