Cell Stage but I'm literally cheating
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- Опубліковано 11 чер 2024
- Demonstrating with commentary how it is possible to play as any custom cell including with the extra hidden cell parts from the very start of Cell Stage.
Add this phrase to the launch target (in a shortcut) to access the hidden cell editor:
Disk version: " -state:CellEditor" (Include the space before the -state).
Steam version: "//-state:CellEditor"
Cheat Engine values:
1180455098
489603236
0, 1024, 32
Access locally stored Cells:
Documents / My Spore Creations / Cells
How to play Cell Stage as a Creature:
• Playing as The Grox in...
Big thanks to Sporecheater for showing how this was possible:
• (Tutorial) How To Play...
Timestamps:
Cell Stage Run: (0:00)
Tutorial: (1:25)
Creatures in Cell Stage: (4:50) - Ігри
Finding Cheat Engine addresses is therapeutic.
except when it doesn't work
Wow, those icons of both types of food are super interesting! It means it was possible to play as an omnivore cell from the start, but developers reasonably decided to remove that possibility. I wonder how many more unused assets and code branches could be triggered by Cheat Engine tinkering. But how did you find out all the values to insert into Cheat Engine?
I'll keep digging to see what else is possible :)
Those values were found in the video by 'Sporecheater' I linked in the description. I'm not sure how they were originally found but I'm thankful they are known!
You can be an omnivore from the start though, just get one carnivore and one herbivore mouth and mess around with alignment and there you go
@@mischiefthedegenerateratto7464 They mean "start" as in from the planet select screen, not being an omnivore in cell stage without the proboscis.
I remember that somehow, i got that omnivore thing, but i have no idea how. I also didn’t cheat in any way to get it.
@@TheWagonroast i remember doing that as a kid as well but, well i was a kid so i might've made it up in my memory lol
The fact that there's a tutorial prompt for omnivore makes me think they might've originally intended for you to be able to pick omnivore from the start of the game instead of just carnivore or just herbivore. Wonder why they changed it.
Balance reasons, maybe?
Also, notice that each stage is Cell:0, Creature:1, Tribal:2, Civilization:4, and Space:5. I think there might ahve been a stage between tribal and civilization.
You could always just have both kinds of mouth parts
@@MasterGhostf Number 3 was "City stage" where it probably played more like Sim city.
@@sammyb106 that would've been really fun lol
the eat task actually recognizing the cell as omnivorous is SUPER interesting, and so is the addendum at the end of the video
i would love to see more videos about stuff like this that you can find out with cheat engine. like. forcing the game to do things its not intended to do just to see what will happen! can you load space stage as a cell too?
I just tried it and cells in Space Stage worked! Here's a couple images: imgur.com/a/0cie03s
I'll keep working with Cheat Engine and see what else is possible :D
Fun stuff! I remember seeing Snorf for example and realizing that the jet was.. well weird. Very cool to see this become a reality!
I wish more of unused spore was stable like the flora editor or other stuff but ya, any new knowledge I can get on this game I'll gobble up.
what I find most amusing is that the 'call a mate' button is actually missing when you lack a mouth - one would think that, if all creatures start with mouths and you're forbidden from exiting the editor without one - that they would just hard-code the mate button to always show
The call a mate button is always missing during the first section of Cell Stage even with a mouth. In the oldest version of the Spore, the game still allowed a mate to be called with Backspace on the keyboard before the button appeared. But in the latest version, it prevents calling a mate until the button appears after a bit of progress into Cell Stage :)
been watching your spore speedruns, makes me excited to finally get a better computer and start playing again. great content man
I never knew all these fancy cheat engine tricks! you should totally upload more shenanigans using cheat engine!
Awesome! :D
cheat engine + spore... those memories are priceless
This was VERY useful with finally disproving the misconception that Eyeguy, an unused test cell, supposedly couldn't be loaded into the game.
But alas! I have done it!
Love the content dude! Your videos are everything i wanted as a kid playing spore
Yay, it works! Thanks, man, for that awesome info! :D And good job with the channel; I'm positively suprised that there are still people interested in this great game!
I always wondered how this "drag and drop our cell as .png into the editor" part works. Is there some metadata in that .png that says what goes where? Or that is some very advanced algorithm that builds creature by that image alone?
the png is edited to change the least significant byte of each pixel to a specific value, then the game reads those bytes to get the data it needs to build the creature.
at least i assume this is how its done, since the same method is used in a newer game called terratech
I didn't know about this mechanic until I watch some of these video and now Spore seems to me like a game from 2030
@@Konyad It really was ahead of it's time. Spore engine also won some awards back in the day for being able to figure out how any creature would animate in record time, something only lab computers was capable of at this time.
it doesnt work for me u.u
I find it interesting that for the cell quest of eating five things to auto evolve, there is one for omnivores, despite there being no way to start as an omnivore
What if you pick a 3d creature that only uses cell parts for cell stage?
I also wonder if you can load up buildings for creatures and creatures for buildings.
I love how you show how to speedrun Spore in your videos, many speedrunners just speedrun their game, from what I’ve seen at least
After trying this out, I had an idea,
randomly select a cell in the space stage starter that's been changed into a cell stage starter, then change the values back to 5, you should have a cellular empire.
It worked.
What happens if ypu try to load stage '3'? Any remnants of the cut City Stage?
Good suggestion!
I just tried it, when pressing the Start button after changing the address to the value of 3, no loading screen appears and we are stuck at the main menu without loading into any stage. See image: imgur.com/a/iSFcs9w
@@KinglyValence Damn, that's unfortunate. Was absolutely worth an attempt, though! Thank you!
@@KinglyValence is there some way to control which editor you're about to enter? if that's the case and there are any gaps, those could give you hidden editors!
@@MrRyanroberson1 There is a secret plant editor accessed by adding -state:floraeditor to the launch properties like he did to access the full cell editor. However its buggy and you can't save anything made in it.
This is actually so interesting
I just leave my comment here to support the Spore community.
This was quite helpful, thank you!
Have you even watched it? It just released.
@@wdalbright I was able to see the meat of the video which showcased how to do it, yes
This looks fun!
My brain EXPLODED from finding out the fact there are hidden Cell Stage parts
the fact that the starting mission has a variant for omnivores kind of implies that at one point, you could've been able to start cell as an omnivore
Anyone realise that squiggly is the only herbivore cell to try to attack you?
I wonder what would happen if a Captain from the DLC was loaded in the other stages. Would the game let the player run around shooting everything or does the game prevent weapons from being used out side of Adventures.
this is what it looks like if you leave a mouldy strawberry next to regular ones
Excuse me I have a question, do the locked cell parts function identically to the unlockable cell part equivalent or are they just decoration?
Yes, the locked parts are just different models but function the same way as the normal parts.
I still find it amazing that spore can store creatures in PNGs
hell yeah king!!
I remeber that there was a way to import regular creatures into cell stage. With some cheat engine manipulation you could load full creatures into cell stage editor and continue like normal - Your cell creature would save and it would be shown in the top view in your Sporepedia, I don't remember if the regular mouth work in these stages or do you need a cell one tho. I did that like 10+ years ago becuse I want to play s Grox and I wanted certain archetype is space stage that would require to go through all stages.
I go over how to get full creatures into Cell Stage in this video :) ua-cam.com/video/8La1mcMyGgc/v-deo.html
I didn't know how to do it at the time of making this video.
I can't seem to figure out how to get the desktop shortcut for the Hidden Cell editor to work. I have the Steam version. What should I put for the shortcut?
Steam has added a way to add the extra command from within Steam itself since making this video that may be easier. In the game's list, right click Spore to enter Properties, then in General there's an Advanced launch options text box to add the extra Hidden cell editor command :)
rare omnivore tutorial
is there even a file version. because i got mine not from steam or by the disc
I wonder if you could use cheat engine to feed yourself, in regards to the final experiment.
I have question how to play whit mods whitout using mod api( idk name)
Hey do you know how to restore files in spore? (Steam version) one day i befriended the grox and then it crashed and the "instances" file corrupted and disappeared (im pretty sure it contains all the settings) and no matter how much i verify the files and reinstall the game (even on a new account) the file never reinstalls, and without it spore cant run so can you tell me how to do a fresh reinstall of spore with all the files?
Im not sure if it will help, but try to go into steam, and the game in the library and then options, then find "verify game files" Or sth similar, it checks if all the files are there and working correctly, if one or more are missing or not opening it will fix it. If that doesnt work you can try to see which files were modofied last and delete them, it might kill your saves, but bring back the playability
@@eeeguba432 ive done that hundreds of times and the files never came back
Your game can't launch anymore? If you are on Windows search "%appdata%" in Windows search to access the Roaming files, or Mac/Linux equivalent. Then find the folder called Spore and either delete or move that file elsewhere and try relaunching the game. This file holds all the saved games in the galaxy, so removing this file if it has been corrupted or something may help as Spore will regenerate this file as brand new once it launches again. This file is outside of Steam so maybe that's why a verify file check doesn't solve it.
Let me know if that's the issue or it's something else :)
@@KinglyValence ok thanks
@@KinglyValence OMG IT WORKED THANKS SO MUCH
Is it possebile to get a captain into creature stage using this method? I know that captains can't be selected in space stage, but there is probably a way to do it.
Yep Captains can be used in Creature Stage! And the Energy Slash ability will work too! :D
@@KinglyValence Can you make a tutorial on how to do that? You should also make more videos on cheating in spore using glitches instead of the cheat console.
I'm having a problem with the hidden cell editor.
I do exactly what is told in the video; create a shortcut, go into properties, then add "//-state:CellEditor" to the end of the target line. It's never worked though, whenever I open the program, it just loads for a bit then stops. It never even opens. Assistance would be appreciated.
Are you playing on the Steam version? Does the shortcut still work without the extra part on the target?
@@KinglyValence Yes, I'm on Steam.
The shortcut works fine without the extra part, but fails to open when I put it on.
@@rhager842 Does Steam pop up the "Allow game launch?" dialogue box? Since Steam is detecting a change to the target it will ask.
Does the creature creators recognize the extra hidden cell parts? It would be neat to start the creature stage with a more unique early creature..
Alright, I just went through all of that, but forced my hiddenparts cell to load into Creature stage. All of it's parts are from the hidden parts lists, and works.. kinda strangely? The only part that "works" is the mouth - as in, I can eat and it shows me as an omnivore, and I can use mating call without crashing the game. But the creature creator doesn't show any abilities gained from my parts, my creature is blind despite having eyes, and the game refuses to save the creature unless I use your cheat engine hackery to force it to save. Returning from a test run forces it to the top down cell view. Very interesting result.
I really wish these hidden cell parts worked in creature stage, since that'd add a lot more variety to the early creature stage. There's only so much you can do with 9 parts.
That's very interesting, thanks for investigating that! interesting those hidden parts don't actually function as expected in Creature Stage.
COOL!
I've did everything that you told me to do and I still can't get past this part at 4:24 ... It keeps showing no results
ah yeas, Dangerosly Funny 2.0
Work with galactic adventure?
It doesnt work for me
edit: I had to launch it from the shortcut, not the steam page
edit 2: 2:41 Instead of 2 addresses, it comes up with 8
edit 3: now the opposite has happend, i only have ONE adress
final edit: every single stage has made me restart, try again, fail, restart, try again, fail, over and over, i give up
What happens if you load into the town stage (ID 3)
The menu will get stuck and it soft locks, it's not able to load anything.
Yo, King, what is the most fun and/or OP archetype to go for? In your opinion
For Casual runs I like to go Carnivore for the health bonus, Adaptable for the fast ship, Friendly for Gracious Greeter, and Economic for Spice production increase. I like these for the best benefits for long Space games. I'm not sure what Archetype that gives in Space but I'll do a Archetype change mission to either get Return Ticket, Cash Infusion, or Fanatical Uprising are my favorites :)
@@KinglyValence Carnivore + Adaptable + Friendly + Economic = Bard
Return ticket? Is it good? How do you get the most out of it's use?
@@Felipe.limaofc In my casual runs I typically prefer to Ally the Grox so Return Ticket allows for moving between the Grox for Trade Routes and back home easily or if I want to do lots of exploring. Fanatical Frenzy and Cash Infusion are probably more useful but I like the fast travelling :)
@@KinglyValence Ah yes, interesting, but. How about going for Social in Creature Stage? Is the bonus actually good for increasing Spice production? Since it allows the cities to have more emphasis on factories rather than entertainment buildings
@@Felipe.limaofc Increased Spice production is from being Economic in Civ. Social Creature prevents revolts in space which I don't think actually occur.
My goal for consequence traits from the first four stages is to set up the best Space game, since we can just get any archetype we want once in Space.
Kill all epics by cheating!
Did anyone have any luck entering Creature stage with hidden cell parts? I tried but first of all I had to edit some data with Cheat engine (same as final steps with 0, 32 and 1024) otherwise it didn't let me savey creature, but when I edited data and tried to save my game just crashed
Yeah sometimes the odd parts can cause crashes, for example using the Grox's cyborg parts in the editor, if you take off a cyborg part and put it back on the game will crash. I'm not sure about the hidden cell parts, I'll have to try a bit more with that since I didn't try going into Creature Stage for this video, but I'm surprised the game crashed for that. But needing to keep Cheat Engine open while in Creature Stage to keep allowing us to save with odd parts does make sense.
I just tried Advancing into Creature Stage with the hidden parts on and it worked for me. I was able to call a mate and load into the editor and mess with the hidden parts like normal without crashing like the Grox parts would have. Cheat Engine was still required to save the creature putting the value back to 0. Maybe it was an unlucky crash for your game? Maybe try it again and see if it works a second time :)
What I did learn that I didn't know was the hidden parts sold for 0 DNA, I wasn't expecting that haha.
@@KinglyValence I tried doing the same thing later and it didn't crash. I guess sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, so its a good idea to save at the end of Cell stage. You'll have to find an address that prevents you from saving a creature everytime you restart the game though. Also creatures with hidden cell parts can't appear in the game, and the only way to edit them outside of gameplay is to open Creator and select them through Sporepedia. You can't select them from the main menu Sporepedia or even see their stats, just like Maxis-made cells.
@@KinglyValence oh, too late I guess
No worries, I made a follow up video where I show how to set up Cheat Engine so we don't have to find the memory address every time here :) ua-cam.com/video/8La1mcMyGgc/v-deo.html
I didn't know it when making this video, and it shows how to get a creature into Cell Stage!
(GUYS HES JUST EXTREMELY LUCKY :flushed: :flushed: :flushed: :flushed: )
does the tutorial work with maxis created cells?
This should work for all cells. Any cell we load into the editor from the menu, Cheat Engine should allow it to be loaded into the start of Cell Stage :)
Really interesting that Tribal stage has a value of 2 and Civ has a value of 4, I know about the aquatic stage but why would that be inbetween Tribal and Civ? Was there another stage they scrapped super late in development?
What be stage 3 though?
spore with cheats is always fun
Hmm that makes me think, can you clear the game without a mouth (starting from the creature stage)? Iirc you can destroy eggs for dna, and you don't need to use mate call to mate
And after that mouths shouldn't matter
I'll have to try that. I wonder if we can still eat eggs without a mouth. Something interesting about no mouth creatures is the game will always crash when trying to socialize with other creatures since our creature doesn't even have the ability to sing. This was known from the Bot parts expansion since some of the mouths didn't have sing.
Do you know the editor value for flora?
Its 478071445 i found it using static addresses
The renaming of the target doesn't work for me.
Send a screenshot and I can take a look :)
can you do this with creature stage?
Yep, I found out after making this video that this idea can basically be used in any Stage and any editor. I go into more detail in this video for example :) ua-cam.com/video/8La1mcMyGgc/v-deo.html
@@KinglyValence But is it possible using a creature that has freedom used on it?
@@arkottah2391 I believe so, I don't think I checked that specifically. I'll look into it!
@@KinglyValence ok
I wanted some one make a mod whit this
HOW TO ENTER THE TCHEAT ENGINE IN SPORE
When loading Cheat Engine it requires first to connect to a program to start reading its memory addresses. Similar to your previous question, not sure what Cheat Engine "in" Spore means, Cheat Engine is just overlaid in the recording as a separate window capture.
@@KinglyValence Im not English but French is that the problem, but okay, thanks you.
Everyone else: *doing OP Cell stage*
Me: Hehe backward cell boi is stupidly difficult-
i need help
This whole video can be summed up in one singular phrase: C O N S U M E
Edit: Hmmmm... Notice how tribal stage is 2 and civ stage is 4... It jumps a number... Its almost as if they yanked a whole stage out right before release.
Is that stage still accessible? Does 3 represent a stage?
If I change the number to 3 and start the Stage, nothing loads and the game soft locks. Not sure what it represents but still pretty interesting!
they did remove the city stage soo
Where is stage 3?
Tribal
2:27 cant drag and drop png :c
Does Spore say something like "This creation cannot be loaded"? I'm on the latest version of Spore on Steam. I'm not sure if mods will affect the PNGs, this was done on a vanilla version, though it still works with Galactic Adventures.
Maybe try making some regular creatures in the creature editor to see if the PNGs work :)
@@KinglyValence Ty I just found a mod that does this tho
But to answer you, no, the cursor just turns into no-drop cursor and nothing happens
Im pretty new to the game so I dont know if the amount of mods I have is considered "too many", but I guess it is likely that one of these could be the issue, as you say you did it in vanilla, and some are for cell stuff:
SporeStacker.package
Spine Connectors.package
Eatingwithmouth.package
cellPartsXtended.package
Cell_parts_in_Creature_editor_2018.package
allParts.package
!!!!!!!!!!!!!_2015_SeamlessLimbtails.package
1CellEvoadvantage_v1.1.package
and
astart_with_any_cell.package (the one that solved the issue as it accomplishes pretty much the same objective of your method)
ty for answering tho ;)
I mean, you could use mods?
I (not to brag) do, and can get those parts.
what mod you use to get those parts?
We’re we supposed to get AN EXTRA STAGE??? God damn it EA why couldn’t you let this game get a few more years of development
I mean, it's not like everything cut from a game is caused by external meddling, it's pretty likely a stage was prototyped and cut internally for gameplay or technical reasons I'd say, stuff like this happens to most games
U scammer!!!!! I can't get in!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you not able to enter the hidden cell editor? Steam added a spot in the properties > general to add an advance launch option to add in the extra launch target command instead of needing to use a shortcut that may be easier, try it again that way :)
That's not cheating, that's literally hacking.
There's no point playing like that, no fun.
Hacking the game IS fun, though. At least to me. It makes me seem smarter than I actually am.