REALLY hard to get excited when the prices of vehicles have rocketed into the stratosphere. I look at this stuff and think - "the price of admission just isn't worth it for me". The other thing, and maybe I am a luddite, is that the complexity and inability to service these vehicles yourself is a huge turnoff.
@PookieMaliboo Trucks were always expensive. Now, all the people who used to buy trucks as a grocery getter when fuel was more affordable are rethinking that decision.
I rented a 2025:Ram Rebel from Enterprise recently for a 1,000 mile road trip. I absolutely loved it! I was super impressed by the Twin Turbo Hurricane In-Line 6. I was thinking it was going to be a disappointment compared to the legendary Hemi. Instead, I found it to be remarkably smooth with great linear acceleration and - due to the dual turbos - zero turbo lag. I did not time it but I think 0-60 was in the low 5's. Very smooth,.quiet, comfortable ride. However, with all the Tech and the new Hurricane engine, I would recommend Extended Warranty if purchasing (vs Lease). Otherwise two thumbs up 👍
Meanwhile all us 3.5L Ecoboost folks have been disappointed with the Hemi since 2011 🤣 I have had many many Ram 1500 hemi rentals and they were always very nice, except for the fact that I would never have gotten rid of my Ecoboost for the hemi. I tow in the western US at high elevations and the Ecoboost is just so much stronger. Now that they have the Hurricane, the Ram is probably my top choice on paper.
Ha! 😂 Yes - pretty much anything from Stellantis has a crappy reputation for reliability. I did look carefully at how they put the engine together. It does seems like it's well built (the Hurricane I6). But of course, just out of the wrapper does not translate to long-term reliability. I can only hope that they got it right this time. The Hurricane was just so smooth and powerful that I really hope the thing can stay together without popping gaskets.
I totally agree. 2020 Ram 1500 Black Midnight Edition-5.7 Hemi . Just turned 60,000 on it with only 1 TSB for one of the Tailgate Support Cables being replaced . Looked fine to me, but if the they want to replace them for free, have at it ! Maintenance , Maintenance, Maintenance & also Maintaining it inside and out , is the key to keeping any truck running and looking great for a long time.
I think that anytime a mfg introduces a new motor, they need to show their own confidence in the engineering and assembly by increasing the warranty. With the trucks being so expensive, nobody can afford broken vehicles and we shouldn't have to buy extended warranties cause they are made so crappy.
Chinese brands are in no way a threat to American trucks, as chinese brands have no clue how to make a proper truck, regardless of how cheap it would be. They might be a threat to european brands, but not to US brands.
Still think Stellantis is killing the brand - They had a proven 8 cylinder, like ford, they should have kept that motor as an option. Sometimes it feels like Homer Simpson runs Stellantis
It's all emissions related. Ford and Chevy have so many 4 cylinders/hybrids/evs. Giving them credits to keep the V8. Stellantis on the other hand pumped out nothing but V8s.
@@userANAKIN not really. GM and Ford have current V8's meeting Emissions. Ford isn't developing one and GM is for 2027 standards. And V8's are not the reason for Stellantis market share loss. The former Chrysler brands are settling into their historical marketplace. Behind every major manufacturer.
@@doublebackagain4311nah I felt bad for ram having that engine people put me and ram down for and they asked me my advice on new engine and I said yes and they decided to use the hurricane engine
I would avoid the transfer case with the "auto-4wd" feature (borg-warner 44-44). I have one and it's a computer controlled clutch pack instead of a gears and a chain. I lost a wheel speed sensor in a snowstorm so the computer would not allow the truck into 4wd because of the traction-control/ESC system. There was no way to override it. Also the bw 44-44 clutch-based xfer case can overheat and then the computer disables 4wd. No good for serious off-road use. Ram really should not have put it in a truck targeted for off-road use.
Use auto if there "could be" slippery conditions, 4HI if you know it's slipperly. Don't do this and you'll overheat the t-case clutch pack, other than that we don't see any issues in service.
Excellent review, Andre, thank you! Some very impressive features with the new Ram trucks. The jury is still out on the durability of the new in-line six, but in-line sixes were used in many trucks years ago, their inherit smoothness and torque were notable.
I've never heard so many Nancy like comments.. it's not blue... it's not a V8... I don't like it unless it's a V8 and sounds loud..stright 6 cylinders most be no good because they only use them in tractor- semi trucks with turbos for over a few million miles on average before any engine or turbo needs replacing 😮😂😊
@@blueheelerfriend8450 straight 6 engines are one of of not the best engines ever produced if designed properly. Will see about this one but you are right, if you do a bit of research many companies have produced I6 that are legends
Time will tell. I still have my 15 ram. I want to get a new one but I don’t feel that Inline 6. I also own a Toyota 23 Highlander and it did burn oil on a 4cyl with less than 2k miles. Not familiar with them turbos . I do drive a semi truck but that’s a different breed.
@@blueheelerfriend8450 Yea, I've got two of them, an AMC 4.2 in a CJ-7 and a Chrysler 4.0 in a Jeep ZJ. Great engines! But how long would they last if I loaded them with the lowest grade Chinese parts, put turbos on them and had them assembled by disgruntled union workers on the verge of a nationwide strike? Yea, that's exactly right, not long.
They ruined the rebel with taking away the led taillights n taking the led turn signals n led runners with the headlights it looks so base model now but ask for more money smh 🤦
@@kwill1911 at these prices most people want all they can get for there money I personally would prefer LED lights but not a deal breaker for me either way.
@@kwill1911it's not necessarily the lights it the highly increased price with less features. No matter how minor it is. It doesn't sit well when you are charging more for less.
Let's see....5600 miles of ownership of my '25 Ram Rebel....2 dead batteries for 0 reason (2nd dead battery wiped some sort of security module, car had to be towed because it wouldn't recognize the key) and multiple instances of misfire codes. Traded it on a GMC Sierra and haven't looked back.
Appreciate your owner insight but lets not pretend GM trucks arent bricking themselves with updates and faulty fuel sending units that they have no fix for, only replacing with new defaulty units that eventually fail as well, with no idea when or where. I hope you got a good one.
@@youngblood23rb Had a ‘22 Silverado I put 70k on that legit had 0 issues. “Traded up” to the Ram…which if I’m being honest, is a hell of a truck. The interior was boss. The performance was insane (the Hurricane reminds me of the BMW B5X motors). I embarrassed more “sports cars” than I care to admit 🤣 If they’d have had an eta for one of the updates to fix the misfire, I’d prolly have stuck around. Fingers crossed on the GMC…
@@ony1265 Fingers crossed for you too man, I just think its sad now days, buying any new truck is rolling the dice, shouldnt be that way when they cost an arm and a leg, I'll be hanging on to my 17 Rebel for as long as I can
@@youngblood23rbNothing is perfect, but considering Stellantis has fired most of their U.S. based engineers to use low wage country engineers along with using the absolute cheapest suppliers all while having the highest MSRPs, I’d say any other brand is a better bet at the present time. I didn’t even mention the terrible UAW relations right now. The chance of getting a lemon Ram is high.
@@TeamHeat604instead of acting all Godly like and snobbish, just look at nearly EVERY turbo powered 4 and 6 cylinders engines, they ALL have issues. Fords are tearing up left and right, and I am a Ford guy, but facts are facts! We don’t need degrees to use the common sense God gave MOST of us. Nothing will EVER replace good normally aspirated V8’s. Go hug a tree and get over yourself.
@TeamHeat604 for most folks it's about simplicity. Of course they stress test these engines. Why would you bring that up? Metallurgy? I sure hope they put some thought into that when designing an engine. The way I see it, if they had so much faith in these engines they should come with a 100k warranty. Cummins does. They stand behind that platform. Plain and simple they are ment to go 30k without major issues. That's not just the hurricane but just about every engine from every manufacturer. My specific concerns with the hurricane come down to complexity of operation. Electric water pump is a big one. Dodge is well known for solid electrical systems right? I'm a mopar guy and they have literally always had issues with electrical. This engine increases failure points dramatically due to the twin turbo design. Every hose clamp, fitting, nut, and bolt strapped to this thing is a failure point. It's not that difficult of a thing to comprehend. 3.0L of displacement pushing 400 hp in the SO engine. That's a lot of power to crank out which means it's creating really high cylinder pressure meaning increased likelihood of failed head gaskets. Turbo failure. Leaks. Warped heads. High pressure pump failure. It's enough to make a lot of people step back and say they don't want the headache. These engines have already shown cooling system issues in the wagoneers. That's a simple explanation of what a lot of folks are thinking.
@@rickyc3020 purely anecdotal evidence here, but all my friends that have eco-boosts that have had engine issues all had cam phaser problems. None have killed a turbo yet (don't get me wrong, I know this happens as well) but by and large Ford's issue seems largely to do with a poor design around the variable cam timing system on an otherwise pretty stout engine. I'm in a hemi Ram currently but I have no real loyalty these days. I'm watching the Hurricane motors and *so far* they seem pretty decent. They've been in the Wagoneers for some time now (despite the other massive quality issues those trucks have). The bigger problem I have is getting over the cost of a new Ram Limited vs what I paid for my 2019. Ho li fuk.
Great now my wife can watch cameras and tell me to slow down because there is a car 2 miles behind me and 3 miles in front of me and one in another state to my left and an airplane above us. Thanks RAM!
I want to see a road trip with Tommy in the middle of the front bench seat in between Roman and Andre to see how useful that 6th seat is over a center console with deep storage (that can accommodate a small safe if desired).
I won’t fall into the FUD that many commenters seem to be having, but will say that of course it’ll be a bit better to wait another model year or two to have the best chance at a unremarkable ownership experience (from a recall or TSB standpoint).
As always Andrea great journalism, you really went over every detail of these trucks. And I agree with you, if you buy a Stellantis/Ram you had better get every bit of warranty you possibly can get. LOL
My 2020 5.7 Ram 1500 has been flawless, now has 73,000 miles. I think the new inline 6s are cool but they should off the Hemi. If I trade, which I usually do every five years or so, I’ll be in a 5.0 F150.
Warlock goes back further than the 1500 Classic, all the way back to the late 70s. It was a W150 stepside with a special paint scheme, usually black or dark green with gold pinstriping. Special wheels, tires, and gauge cluster were also included.
@@TFLtruck Are you sure about that? Other channels have done Apples to Apples testing (same tires, cab/bed, engine) but with different axle ratios and the lower ratios actually did better with modern higher gear count transmissions. This was with F150s and a 10-speed, but lower geared doesn't automatically mean lower MPG. You also have to consider tire diameter since that affects your final ratio.
Not needed with the turbos...my 2023 F150 3.5L EB pulls my dump trailer and mini-excavator all over Utah without hesitation with a 10sp transmission and a 3.55 rear gear. Empty it will stop light drag race with the best of them and get 20-22 mpg. Assuming the 3.92 comment came from an NA V8 owner who has no experience towing with a twin turbo V6 gasser.
I really have to commend Ram for picking a name like Warlock (which also happens to be an amazing old Western film with Anthony Quinn and DeForrest Kelly). I see a lot of used Rams for sale while shopping around and I'm not planning on getting a full-size, but I will admit there are some nice models that tempt me at times.
Hanging on to my FIAT era Rebel for now. I don’t outright hate the I6, I just don’t trust Stellantis. And i’ve heard rumors of it being a nightmare in the Wagoneer. Also I hope you can get a new Rebel without a lot of that tech….
Yep. Nice wheels. I agree….. shoulda kept the V8 as an option. Prices….. outrageous, but I believe they are all that way. Where Stellantis falls way short, IMHO, is how they treat the dealers and customers with ordering. I tried to order a new Jeep in March….. 7 dealers, 3 states, no dealer would order what I spec’d out. Got a Bronco ordered, delivered in 7 weeks, and about $20K less than the average Jeep on the lot….. when your budget is $47K, and Jeep tries to sway you with a $5000 discount from $65k….. no a great deal.
As Andre pointed out in a previous video, RAM hasn't sold well as of late and that started under the watch of the 5.7. Right now they are blowing out the competition on prices. We just got a SO Big Horn at $17k off MSRP. Mid 40s! It will dust off the 5.7 and all of its competitors with towing thrust and acceleration. Typical nice RAM interior. I've read of a few bugs but that's typical of all brand new engines. Ours runs smooth as silk and although I believe it will prove to be robust, with that discount we were able to get a great extended warranty. Once Stellantis gets its head out of its rear, these things will rebound the RAM brand sales wise.
I drove a hemi ram Warlock and new straight 6 and there was a 4 liter per 100km difference combined on the same route, the better going to the straight 6. What I didn't like was that when I opened the hood on the new straight 6 I was shocked at the amount of heat shielding, unbelievable, that engine must be running extremely hot - only run premium and change oil every 5000 kms or your gonna get it. Talked to a mechanic who said that these extended oil changes are insane and a lot of people apparently are blowing engines on the 0w20 oil and the super extended oil changes
My warlock was $ 43,000 in 2021 and it was well equipped with the limited slip , inch factory lift , upgraded Radiator, 3.92 diff and other interior goodies but it did not have lockers ,no rear passenger ventilation, , no brake controler , no all terrain tires , only offered in QuadCab configuration so I think the newer Warlocks as long as they’re under 50000 it’s an OK 👌🏻 deal , my first Ram was a 2017 1500 Express and it was $33,000 wth happened to those prices !!!
I rented a Ram with the 12 inch screen a little while ago, the rear view camera damn near blinded me when it switched on, who designed that mess, and why haven’t they fixed that yet?
@@TJY2Kthe dimmer switch doesn’t effect the white screen surrounding the reverse camera, supposedly it’s a top complaint Ram owners have about the 12 inch screen.
Great info Andre, thanks. However, I think the payload on the Warlock & Rebel is horrible for a full size truck. There are midsize trucks with the same or better payload (Colorado, Ranger - Raptor even). Ram literature says 3.0L with 5’7” crew cab & 4x4 has payload of 1890; so that means the options on this Rebel accounted for 500 lbs? At the end of the day not much more payload than a Wrangler Rubicon. That sucks considering it has so much more potential for an overland build due to the bed.
With the small price difference between rebel and rho I don’t see why you wouldn’t just step up. It’s a ton of money either way might as well get top dog right?
when you do actually drive the rho. please find out what the drive modes actually do. with the power delivery to front back etc.. I haven't been able to find that out yet.
The red RAM Rabel reminds me a little bit at the Power Wagon..😅 The Warlock in gray would not look bag. Especially with a chrome grill (only the grill). Also the cloth seats are nice. But some non-pianoblack style elements in the interior would be even nicer. So out of these 3.. hmm.. I would calculate between the Rebel and the Warlock. And if the dealer could switch the grill and we could find some interior options, I would take the Warlock.
And they suuuuccckkkk!!! Get a rock within 3 feet of one of them and you'll see the sidewall just surrender and tear. One would think they're French (but Michellin makes a slightly better soft-roader, the BFG KO)
That "TV for the passenger" is the biggest waste of money. We love that extra room in our TRX without it. We have the "TV" in our Jeep and never ever use it. We wish we had the extra space.
Is it Axle lock or rear differential lock? I’m very confused because every where I read or hear that Rebel has rear diff lock but on the switch it says axle lock! They are not the same right?
@Group.B the transmission is not the same as the TRX, so it won't last with that much boost. So, it would also need an upgraded transmission for that high of power.
It appears Warlock is replacing the Offroad pkg. My 2019 Bighorn Offroad has 4wd Auto and rear locker and a sweet sounding Flowmaster Outlaw extreme exhaust out of the 5.7 and 6'4" bed. of which none are offered now.
There's just one thing I never understood about the RAM truck is that I've never seen one reviewed with a power adjustable steering columb. I have seen it on both Ford and Chevy and GMC but never once on any RAM.
I don't remember the prices, but for that warlock I'd be willing to pay probably $45,000. So like $50-51k out the door with tax title and tag those other ones. It was just way too much. They're coolest hell, but it's way too much cost no matter what's on it for me
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I love the RHO.. I think I would get this over a Grenadier
The warlock wouldnt been mint if it had 4wheel auto, cloth/vinyl deluxe seats, proper glove box and finally a centre console option. I woulda got one. Got a 2024 sport instead and hate the low ride and the 12 inch screen.
Going to miss the V8 sound but this seems to the the path everyone is heading in with all the emissions regulations. I'd like to see a side by side teardown of this motor and BMW's S58 engine.
It was always to fill the gap since the TRX was going away. No word on if an official TRX replacement is in the works. Could be a Hurricane 6/Hybrid setup. But the RHO is not the official TRX replacement
Am I the only one who just isn't excited about the auto industry anymore?
I'm with you! They are all overpriced. And to top it off.......Ram got rid of the V8. I was done after that.
2025 Ramcharger
All series hybrids are EREV, REEV or EVER, but not all EREV, REEV or EVER are series hybrids.
REALLY hard to get excited when the prices of vehicles have rocketed into the stratosphere. I look at this stuff and think - "the price of admission just isn't worth it for me". The other thing, and maybe I am a luddite, is that the complexity and inability to service these vehicles yourself is a huge turnoff.
Starting at $56K!!! And Stellantis wonders why sales are tanking.
the Ram 1500 average transaction price is just above 50K. Not 56.
@PookieMaliboo Trucks were always expensive. Now, all the people who used to buy trucks as a grocery getter when fuel was more affordable are rethinking that decision.
@@steve8803 not really trucks are still selling well. Other than Ram.
Dude have you seen midsized truck pricing? A new Tacoma is more expensive than that
@@PookieMaliboo just wait for the 2000% tariffs big brain wants on trucks from Mexico.
I rented a 2025:Ram Rebel from Enterprise recently for a 1,000 mile road trip. I absolutely loved it! I was super impressed by the Twin Turbo Hurricane In-Line 6. I was thinking it was going to be a disappointment compared to the legendary Hemi. Instead, I found it to be remarkably smooth with great linear acceleration and - due to the dual turbos - zero turbo lag. I did not time it but I think 0-60 was in the low 5's. Very smooth,.quiet, comfortable ride. However, with all the Tech and the new Hurricane engine, I would recommend Extended Warranty if purchasing (vs Lease). Otherwise two thumbs up 👍
Meanwhile all us 3.5L Ecoboost folks have been disappointed with the Hemi since 2011 🤣
I have had many many Ram 1500 hemi rentals and they were always very nice, except for the fact that I would never have gotten rid of my Ecoboost for the hemi. I tow in the western US at high elevations and the Ecoboost is just so much stronger. Now that they have the Hurricane, the Ram is probably my top choice on paper.
What is legendary about Hemi? 100% chance of premature failure?
Ha! 😂 Yes - pretty much anything from Stellantis has a crappy reputation for reliability. I did look carefully at how they put the engine together. It does seems like it's well built (the Hurricane I6). But of course, just out of the wrapper does not translate to long-term reliability. I can only hope that they got it right this time. The Hurricane was just so smooth and powerful that I really hope the thing can stay together without popping gaskets.
That’s a lot of information to retain! Well done!
I’ll keep my v8 hemi thanks. Got a 2020 model, you know, right before the world went crazy? 0 issues.
I totally agree. 2020 Ram 1500 Black Midnight Edition-5.7 Hemi . Just turned 60,000 on it with only 1 TSB for one of the Tailgate Support Cables being replaced . Looked fine to me, but if the they want to replace them for free, have at it !
Maintenance , Maintenance, Maintenance & also Maintaining it inside and out , is the key to keeping any truck running and looking great for a long time.
I think that anytime a mfg introduces a new motor, they need to show their own confidence in the engineering and assembly by increasing the warranty. With the trucks being so expensive, nobody can afford broken vehicles and we shouldn't have to buy extended warranties cause they are made so crappy.
Yep
@@treborheminway3814 Truly a SOLID point.
A Rebel approaching $80k is outrageous. US automakers better hope no Chinese brands get approval to sell in the US.
Part of me wants China to get into our market. It was a nightmare to get my Bronco.
Sucks that china is now what America was in the late 1800s and early 1900s.
America has fallen so far.
I would rather overpay for American than support that dictatorship.
Chinese brands are in no way a threat to American trucks, as chinese brands have no clue how to make a proper truck, regardless of how cheap it would be. They might be a threat to european brands, but not to US brands.
@@DesertStateInEU What are they doing incorrectly? They can do luxury, tech, payload, towing, offroad and reliability.
I have my RHO on order, can't wait to see the full review.
You misquoted the RHO torque as 421 when it's 521 lbft
2025 Power Wagon is what I am waiting for!!!!
It’s the same cab from 2009. If they would just update it from the 1500, I’m in.
Have you seen the 25 hd trucks??? They are fugly.
Power Wagon don't care!
Still think Stellantis is killing the brand - They had a proven 8 cylinder, like ford, they should have kept that motor as an option. Sometimes it feels like Homer Simpson runs Stellantis
@@ribbit1964 I think Homer would have done a better job lol.
He does. But he does by Carlos. But he also make a ton of money. To be a shitty ceo
the name of the game is emissions and Ford has invested just as much as Stellantis in keeping one available. Nothing.
It's all emissions related. Ford and Chevy have so many 4 cylinders/hybrids/evs. Giving them credits to keep the V8. Stellantis on the other hand pumped out nothing but V8s.
@@userANAKIN not really. GM and Ford have current V8's meeting Emissions. Ford isn't developing one and GM is for 2027 standards. And V8's are not the reason for Stellantis market share loss. The former Chrysler brands are settling into their historical marketplace. Behind every major manufacturer.
Tim is closely watching Andre’s review of his upcoming RHO.
Wow, these trucks will look so good sitting on lots for the next three years.
R.I.P. Ram
💔 No more V8
@@doublebackagain4311nah I felt bad for ram having that engine people put me and ram down for and they asked me my advice on new engine and I said yes and they decided to use the hurricane engine
I would avoid the transfer case with the "auto-4wd" feature (borg-warner 44-44). I have one and it's a computer controlled clutch pack instead of a gears and a chain. I lost a wheel speed sensor in a snowstorm so the computer would not allow the truck into 4wd because of the traction-control/ESC system. There was no way to override it. Also the bw 44-44 clutch-based xfer case can overheat and then the computer disables 4wd. No good for serious off-road use. Ram really should not have put it in a truck targeted for off-road use.
pretty sure the rho has the same transfer case as the trx.. which is not a 44-44
Use auto if there "could be" slippery conditions, 4HI if you know it's slipperly. Don't do this and you'll overheat the t-case clutch pack, other than that we don't see any issues in service.
Excellent review, Andre, thank you! Some very impressive features with the new Ram trucks. The jury is still out on the durability of the new in-line six, but in-line sixes were used in many trucks years ago, their inherit smoothness and torque were notable.
I've never heard so many Nancy like comments.. it's not blue... it's not a V8... I don't like it unless it's a V8 and sounds loud..stright 6 cylinders most be no good because they only use them in tractor- semi trucks with turbos for over a few million miles on average before any engine or turbo needs replacing 😮😂😊
@@blueheelerfriend8450 straight 6 engines are one of of not the best engines ever produced if designed properly. Will see about this one but you are right, if you do a bit of research many companies have produced I6 that are legends
Great overview! When will we see a video of RHO driving impressions?
Heads up displays and crash detection are killing windshield prices, up to $3,500CDN for a windshield now depending on the vehicle and options
You better get that life time warranty for those in line 6
@@bendino9016ram and I have no problems working together when I do get my permit they would offer me a deal to work with
@@muko2002 inline 6's are one of the best engine designs for longevity in the world.
@@blueheelerfriend8450 BMW have the best Turbo i6 engine. Toyota are using a BMW engine in their supra.
Time will tell. I still have my 15 ram. I want to get a new one but I don’t feel that Inline 6. I also own a Toyota 23 Highlander and it did burn oil on a 4cyl with less than 2k miles. Not familiar with them turbos . I do drive a semi truck but that’s a different breed.
@@blueheelerfriend8450 Yea, I've got two of them, an AMC 4.2 in a CJ-7 and a Chrysler 4.0 in a Jeep ZJ. Great engines! But how long would they last if I loaded them with the lowest grade Chinese parts, put turbos on them and had them assembled by disgruntled union workers on the verge of a nationwide strike? Yea, that's exactly right, not long.
I would love to have a RAM again, but they are way overpriced now, by at least $15,000.
@@chrisnichiolas76 Each of these models can be purchased for $12,000 less
@SKYLIMI still not worth it.
@@chrisnichiolas76 I need to change and I'm looking around and I have a dilemma, V8 or a new one with a vacuum cleaner engine
@@SKYLIMI If you want a v8 then just go for a new Silverado with a v8 in it. Or go for an F150/F250 with a v8 in it.
With that extra screen on the passenger side, your wife has another reason to yell at you during the backup time 😂
They ruined the rebel with taking away the led taillights n taking the led turn signals n led runners with the headlights it looks so base model now but ask for more money smh 🤦
@@shawnharris7747 I agree with you. Ford did the same with the Tremor, reflector LED headlights and no projectors👎
Really!? Lights make that big a difference to some buyers? I don't get it.
@@kwill1911 at these prices most people want all they can get for there money I personally would prefer LED lights but not a deal breaker for me either way.
Looks is the least of the problems.
@@kwill1911it's not necessarily the lights it the highly increased price with less features. No matter how minor it is. It doesn't sit well when you are charging more for less.
Let's see....5600 miles of ownership of my '25 Ram Rebel....2 dead batteries for 0 reason (2nd dead battery wiped some sort of security module, car had to be towed because it wouldn't recognize the key) and multiple instances of misfire codes. Traded it on a GMC Sierra and haven't looked back.
Appreciate your owner insight but lets not pretend GM trucks arent bricking themselves with updates and faulty fuel sending units that they have no fix for, only replacing with new defaulty units that eventually fail as well, with no idea when or where. I hope you got a good one.
@@youngblood23rb Had a ‘22 Silverado I put 70k on that legit had 0 issues. “Traded up” to the Ram…which if I’m being honest, is a hell of a truck.
The interior was boss. The performance was insane (the Hurricane reminds me of the BMW B5X motors). I embarrassed more “sports cars” than I care to admit 🤣
If they’d have had an eta for one of the updates to fix the misfire, I’d prolly have stuck around. Fingers crossed on the GMC…
@@ony1265 Fingers crossed for you too man, I just think its sad now days, buying any new truck is rolling the dice, shouldnt be that way when they cost an arm and a leg, I'll be hanging on to my 17 Rebel for as long as I can
@@youngblood23rbNothing is perfect, but considering Stellantis has fired most of their U.S. based engineers to use low wage country engineers along with using the absolute cheapest suppliers all while having the highest MSRPs, I’d say any other brand is a better bet at the present time. I didn’t even mention the terrible UAW relations right now. The chance of getting a lemon Ram is high.
What’s going to last longer? The inline 6 cylinder or Ram as a company?
🤣🤣🤣
After the… you know what? Forget it. RAM is not my brand.
The Ram rebel should come in dukes of hazzrd orange. 😂
Omaha Orange bro!
With a Confederate flag!😊
still love my 2017 rebel with a hemi and the air suspension.
its time to see this RHO driving
Most dealers are going to mark up the RHO just like FORD dealers do the Raptor.
That RHO fully loaded is gonna be as much as a fully loaded TRX for sure. I’ll keep my 22’ TRX. Bought it a good price and will keep that.
To me the Warlock with about a 20% discount would be about right for my needs. I’ve had the 392 rear diff before and I really liked it.
I got a feeling these new turbo six’s from ram will not last
@@mikee7241 sales numbers would agree lol.
@@mikee7241 And I’ve got a feeling that my current 2014 1500 Sport Crew 4x4 will be my la$t Ram. Thankfully with 205k it still runs & drives like new.
@@TeamHeat604instead of acting all Godly like and snobbish, just look at nearly EVERY turbo powered 4 and 6 cylinders engines, they ALL have issues. Fords are tearing up left and right, and I am a Ford guy, but facts are facts! We don’t need degrees to use the common sense God gave MOST of us. Nothing will EVER replace good normally aspirated V8’s. Go hug a tree and get over yourself.
@TeamHeat604 for most folks it's about simplicity. Of course they stress test these engines. Why would you bring that up? Metallurgy? I sure hope they put some thought into that when designing an engine. The way I see it, if they had so much faith in these engines they should come with a 100k warranty. Cummins does. They stand behind that platform. Plain and simple they are ment to go 30k without major issues. That's not just the hurricane but just about every engine from every manufacturer. My specific concerns with the hurricane come down to complexity of operation. Electric water pump is a big one. Dodge is well known for solid electrical systems right? I'm a mopar guy and they have literally always had issues with electrical. This engine increases failure points dramatically due to the twin turbo design. Every hose clamp, fitting, nut, and bolt strapped to this thing is a failure point. It's not that difficult of a thing to comprehend. 3.0L of displacement pushing 400 hp in the SO engine. That's a lot of power to crank out which means it's creating really high cylinder pressure meaning increased likelihood of failed head gaskets. Turbo failure. Leaks. Warped heads. High pressure pump failure. It's enough to make a lot of people step back and say they don't want the headache. These engines have already shown cooling system issues in the wagoneers. That's a simple explanation of what a lot of folks are thinking.
@@rickyc3020 purely anecdotal evidence here, but all my friends that have eco-boosts that have had engine issues all had cam phaser problems. None have killed a turbo yet (don't get me wrong, I know this happens as well) but by and large Ford's issue seems largely to do with a poor design around the variable cam timing system on an otherwise pretty stout engine. I'm in a hemi Ram currently but I have no real loyalty these days. I'm watching the Hurricane motors and *so far* they seem pretty decent. They've been in the Wagoneers for some time now (despite the other massive quality issues those trucks have). The bigger problem I have is getting over the cost of a new Ram Limited vs what I paid for my 2019. Ho li fuk.
More expensive? ✅
V8 option? ❌
My interest? 0️⃣
Let them rot.
@@ParhelionGame and for my money, I will buy a fullybloaded 2025 Ram RHO.
But for me, it's the Ram RHO.
I believe Andre’s new truck will be a Warlock.
Great now my wife can watch cameras and tell me to slow down because there is a car 2 miles behind me and 3 miles in front of me and one in another state to my left and an airplane above us. Thanks RAM!
I thought my wife was the only one who does that, lol!
Change your wife.
@@realrocktimusprime 😁😁😁😁
Politely say no I’m driving or offer to let her drive otherwise just drive your drive. 😅
@@fabiancastellanos7196 some of us don't want wife's that act like dudes
A trailer without brakes is like Lamb without the Tuna Fish!
@@jaytee1086 yep, like a snickers bar without the cod liver!
I want to see a road trip with Tommy in the middle of the front bench seat in between Roman and Andre to see how useful that 6th seat is over a center console with deep storage (that can accommodate a small safe if desired).
Great review, thanks. The Warlock and Rebel are the same height. I'd take the Warlock any day.
Rebel can be raised with its air suspension
I won’t fall into the FUD that many commenters seem to be having, but will say that of course it’ll be a bit better to wait another model year or two to have the best chance at a unremarkable ownership experience (from a recall or TSB standpoint).
It sucks that all of the speciality trucks are crew cabs. Why can't we have a rebel in an extended cab, or better yet... A regular cab?!
Andre, NICE 👍 👟 SHOES!. a high end seats for comfort, and a six passenger cab.
Thanks for the review..but again…pricing is just out of control at this point.
Forgot to add...at least there are buttons and switches and knobs (not all touchscreen)
As always Andrea great journalism, you really went over every detail of these trucks.
And I agree with you, if you buy a Stellantis/Ram you had better get every bit of warranty you possibly can get. LOL
3 Expensive Trucks only the rich could afford
So stoked for the RHO. Looking forward to the drive tests. Love the videos TFL!!!
Neutered TRX😂
My 2020 5.7 Ram 1500 has been flawless, now has 73,000 miles. I think the new inline 6s are cool but they should off the Hemi. If I trade, which I usually do every five years or so, I’ll be in a 5.0 F150.
Warlock goes back further than the 1500 Classic, all the way back to the late 70s. It was a W150 stepside with a special paint scheme, usually black or dark green with gold pinstriping. Special wheels, tires, and gauge cluster were also included.
I’m a BIG fan of straight 6 engines. I had plenty of trucks with that 6 cylinder engines from broncos to f150s to old dodge trucks and a Chevy .
can’t wait to see tuners covert those to a big single turbo monster
I think the RHO is more of a competitor for the raptor rather than a trx replacement
Get the 3.92 axle if you live in the mountains.
No. I want better MPG.
@@TFLtruck Are you sure about that? Other channels have done Apples to Apples testing (same tires, cab/bed, engine) but with different axle ratios and the lower ratios actually did better with modern higher gear count transmissions. This was with F150s and a 10-speed, but lower geared doesn't automatically mean lower MPG. You also have to consider tire diameter since that affects your final ratio.
Not needed with the turbos...my 2023 F150 3.5L EB pulls my dump trailer and mini-excavator all over Utah without hesitation with a 10sp transmission and a 3.55 rear gear. Empty it will stop light drag race with the best of them and get 20-22 mpg. Assuming the 3.92 comment came from an NA V8 owner who has no experience towing with a twin turbo V6 gasser.
Waiting for my RHO, super excited!
No standard cab even available. My next truck will probably be a Ford f-150 with a V-8 and a dipstick.
And wet belt🤢🤮
I really have to commend Ram for picking a name like Warlock (which also happens to be an amazing old Western film with Anthony Quinn and DeForrest Kelly). I see a lot of used Rams for sale while shopping around and I'm not planning on getting a full-size, but I will admit there are some nice models that tempt me at times.
Hanging on to my FIAT era Rebel for now. I don’t outright hate the I6, I just don’t trust Stellantis. And i’ve heard rumors of it being a nightmare in the Wagoneer. Also I hope you can get a new Rebel without a lot of that tech….
Yep. Nice wheels. I agree….. shoulda kept the V8 as an option. Prices….. outrageous, but I believe they are all that way. Where Stellantis falls way short, IMHO, is how they treat the dealers and customers with ordering. I tried to order a new Jeep in March….. 7 dealers, 3 states, no dealer would order what I spec’d out. Got a Bronco ordered, delivered in 7 weeks, and about $20K less than the average Jeep on the lot….. when your budget is $47K, and Jeep tries to sway you with a $5000 discount from $65k….. no a great deal.
I agree. I'd take the Warlock with a discount. Only thing I'd like to have in it that it doesn't is 4wd auto.
Looks good very exciting to see the warlock back
As Andre pointed out in a previous video, RAM hasn't sold well as of late and that started under the watch of the 5.7. Right now they are blowing out the competition on prices. We just got a SO Big Horn at $17k off MSRP. Mid 40s! It will dust off the 5.7 and all of its competitors with towing thrust and acceleration. Typical nice RAM interior. I've read of a few bugs but that's typical of all brand new engines. Ours runs smooth as silk and although I believe it will prove to be robust, with that discount we were able to get a great extended warranty. Once Stellantis gets its head out of its rear, these things will rebound the RAM brand sales wise.
I drove a hemi ram Warlock and new straight 6 and there was a 4 liter per 100km difference combined on the same route, the better going to the straight 6.
What I didn't like was that when I opened the hood on the new straight 6 I was shocked at the amount of heat shielding, unbelievable, that engine must be running extremely hot - only run premium and change oil every 5000 kms or your gonna get it. Talked to a mechanic who said that these extended oil changes are insane and a lot of people apparently are blowing engines on the 0w20 oil and the super extended oil changes
Hemi ram with the new 6🤔
@@atg1338 2023 hemi ram Warlock.....common, try and keep up
@@atg1338he said "and" not "with" meaning he tried both the hemi and hurricane.
@@evo1video got it👍my bad
My warlock was $ 43,000 in 2021 and it was well equipped with the limited slip , inch factory lift , upgraded Radiator, 3.92 diff and other interior goodies but it did not have lockers ,no rear passenger ventilation, , no brake controler , no all terrain tires , only offered in QuadCab configuration so I think the newer Warlocks as long as they’re under 50000 it’s an OK 👌🏻 deal , my first Ram was a 2017 1500 Express and it was $33,000 wth happened to those prices !!!
Need to see 6 seaters in more cars. No need to have 3 rows so you can get the vehicle you want out of a truck even with a big family or 3 couples
@23:00... ZR2 is much older than Rebel. It was offered on the old S10's.
72k starting for the RHO is an absolute value. I'm guessing next year that price will climb.
Been waiting on yall to review a warlock in person!
I rented a Ram with the 12 inch screen a little while ago, the rear view camera damn near blinded me when it switched on, who designed that mess, and why haven’t they fixed that yet?
You probably had the dimmer switch turned up too high.
@@TJY2Kthe dimmer switch doesn’t effect the white screen surrounding the reverse camera, supposedly it’s a top complaint Ram owners have about the 12 inch screen.
Great info Andre, thanks.
However, I think the payload on the Warlock & Rebel is horrible for a full size truck. There are midsize trucks with the same or better payload (Colorado, Ranger - Raptor even). Ram literature says 3.0L with 5’7” crew cab & 4x4 has payload of 1890; so that means the options on this Rebel accounted for 500 lbs? At the end of the day not much more payload than a Wrangler Rubicon. That sucks considering it has so much more potential for an overland build due to the bed.
With the small price difference between rebel and rho I don’t see why you wouldn’t just step up. It’s a ton of money either way might as well get top dog right?
Thank god they got ride of those ridiculous flip towing mirrors.
Is the Wiring harness to short in the RHO? Are they still using the plastic Thermostat in the RHO engine?
when you do actually drive the rho. please find out what the drive modes actually do. with the power delivery to front back etc.. I haven't been able to find that out yet.
The red RAM Rabel reminds me a little bit at the Power Wagon..😅
The Warlock in gray would not look bag. Especially with a chrome grill (only the grill).
Also the cloth seats are nice.
But some non-pianoblack style elements in the interior would be even nicer.
So out of these 3.. hmm.. I would calculate between the Rebel and the Warlock. And if the dealer could switch the grill and we could find some interior options, I would take the Warlock.
Wonder if the warlock comes with the alpine stereo system and do the 25 rams still come Rebel and RHO come with the harman kardon system??
I was so stoked when the RHO was announced but 72k starting is ridiculous not to mention dealers will make the 90k trucks easily.
Wonder if they improved their corrosion issues.
I like the look of the warlock. Specially in black
It doesn't really look like a warlock anymore though.
1:49 however, that is the prior generation Duratrac. I guess Goodyear and/or Ram had some extra inventory they needed to move.
And they suuuuccckkkk!!! Get a rock within 3 feet of one of them and you'll see the sidewall just surrender and tear. One would think they're French (but Michellin makes a slightly better soft-roader, the BFG KO)
That "TV for the passenger" is the biggest waste of money. We love that extra room in our TRX without it. We have the "TV" in our Jeep and never ever use it. We wish we had the extra space.
I see RAM is still being ridiculous with their prices. No thank you.
Is it Axle lock or rear differential lock? I’m very confused because every where I read or hear that Rebel has rear diff lock but on the switch it says axle lock! They are not the same right?
The Warlock even has cruise control
Yes!
Kinda excited to see what the new straight 6 in action.
Used Ram TRX for me.
Same, but RHO with a tune could push into 800hp range. It'll will be interesting to see how the aftermarket responds.
@Group.B the transmission is not the same as the TRX, so it won't last with that much boost. So, it would also need an upgraded transmission for that high of power.
Is the Warlock just made with last years parts?
Why these cars have no front diff. Lock and sway bar disconnect function?
It appears Warlock is replacing the Offroad pkg. My 2019 Bighorn Offroad has 4wd Auto and rear locker and a sweet sounding Flowmaster Outlaw extreme exhaust out of the 5.7 and 6'4" bed. of which none are offered now.
There's just one thing I never understood about the RAM truck is that I've never seen one reviewed with a power adjustable steering columb. I have seen it on both Ford and Chevy and GMC but never once on any RAM.
I don't remember the prices, but for that warlock I'd be willing to pay probably $45,000. So like $50-51k out the door with tax title and tag those other ones. It was just way too much. They're coolest hell, but it's way too much cost no matter what's on it for me
I love the RHO.. I think I would get this over a Grenadier
I would go warlock also, good choice!!
The v6 in that is so gutless af
667kg payload for a full-size pickup is funny when I have 970kg in my 2005 Isuzu D-Max, which is basically a compact 😂
There was a 5th gen Warlock as well
The warlock wouldnt been mint if it had 4wheel auto, cloth/vinyl deluxe seats, proper glove box and finally a centre console option. I woulda got one. Got a 2024 sport instead and hate the low ride and the 12 inch screen.
GM still putting money into the V8 and tuning it for next gen. For that reason alone I have no desire to switch to ram.
Ask a GM tech about the 6.2L lower end issues.
@@okcmoparguy724 I’m sure there’s issues but personally I don’t keep a vehicle past 3 years.
I was $33k upsided down and they got me a 2025 ram with no money down
Going to miss the V8 sound but this seems to the the path everyone is heading in with all the emissions regulations. I'd like to see a side by side teardown of this motor and BMW's S58 engine.
Wasn't the RHO meant to compete with the Raptor now, and not as a new TRX?
It was always to fill the gap since the TRX was going away. No word on if an official TRX replacement is in the works. Could be a Hurricane 6/Hybrid setup. But the RHO is not the official TRX replacement
For those who remember the ram rebel was 40k new in 2020
Curious if eye glasses or sun glasses mess with hands free driving sensor