I've always been a faithful autobot to prime and hiz wisdom. He's almighty and love, optimus iz savior of da world against da evil sinful devil megatron and hiz fallen decepticons. 🟣✝️⚔️⚛️🔴
No, not really, because all (or nearly all) theists at least already share a belief in “the supernatural”. Christians aren’t demanding empirical, repeatable, falsifiable evidence of Allah’s existence, for example, because they already buy into the idea that God is “beyond space and time”, they already accept that “miracles” happen, and all that jazz. So, although there might be some overlap here and there, for the most part Christian objections to other religions are going to be different from atheistic objections to all religions.
A story of Yahweh worshippers mocking baal priests for not producing miracles on demand literally made it into the bible. It's a hypocritical religion to the core.
"How is it that you use reason as a path to truth in every endeavor of your life, and then when it comes to the ‘ultimate truth’ - the most important truth - you're saying that faith is required. And how does that reflect on a god who supposedly exists and wants you to have this information. What kind of god requires faith instead of evidence? A god that does not manifest in reality is indistinguishable from a god that does not exist." [Matt Dillahunty]
It is ironic that a guy who is telling atheists that they need to be humble is arrogant enough to claim that he not only knows that God exists but can tell us what God does and why God does it.
I'm sorry I literally tune them out idek what he was saying it's just like word salad. I think they all just make these videos to look at themselves or hear themselves talk.. Which isn't that one of the 7 deadly sins??..
They always do that shit. Incidentally, the reason why people can simply dismiss their story is that it is a simple-minded story. They can crow all they want about how "god's ways are higher than ours", but their own desire to make their deity the bestest strongest evah kinda shoots that in the foot. You don't need complicated plans if literally anything you want to happen happens because you're omnipotent. Any attempt to conceal that is implicitly putting limitations on their god's powers. If they try to wiggle out of such a direct question, they're already implicitly renouncing the whole omnipotence thing.
@@Bangin0utWest I had to look up the seven deadly sins. The particular brand of Protestantism to which I once belonged didn’t stress those although I had certainly heard of them. I just could not name them. Yes, pride is one of those. I would argue that it takes a good deal of hubris for anybody to believe he can speak for God and predict God’s actions. If you listen closely, it starts to sound like they are commanding God to do something. I once had a Muslim tell me that his God was going to kill my children. It sure sounded like he was commanding God to do so.
5:30 Maybe it's just me, but I think that any deity that can bring forth an entire world in under a week would be able to whip up a tricycle in no time.
How about he provides food for all hungry people, water for all thirsty people, medicine to cure all sick people, etc. He demands we do that, so why can't he?
I did humble myself, it's why I'm not Christian anymore. In order to leave religion you necessarily must be able to admit your lifelong beliefs might just be entirety false.
My favourite quote from the Greek philosopher Epicurus … Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Ironically, making their God omniscient and omnipotent actually adds complexity and introduces the problem of evil. This problem would not exist if their God did not have any omni attributes as it means that their God could not know the future. They also have never provided any evidence to show that any of the omni attributes are even possible. They just assume that it is and therefore it must be true.
@@patelk464 well said. In history there have been an estimated 3000 gods, Christians deny the existence of 2999 of them. As an atheist I just deny the existence of 1 more god. That irony will never hit home with them though, they just can’t see it 😂
If the bible is an accurate representation of this god's motives and character, then yes, it is absolutely a villain. And that's just if you take the book at face value, and don't read the absurd Omni traits into it the way modern Christians do. If you actually pretend that the god depicted in the bible actually IS omniscient, and omnipotent, then he's not just evil. He is the single most malevolent entity that could possibly be imagined; creating a cosmic death trap as a monument to his own ego, with the sole intention of torturing 85% of all humans who would ever be born, while gaslighting the rest into loving it for abusing them. Even if such a being could be proven to exist, I would have absolutely zero reason to trust it. For all I know, heaven is just a false hope it created to make us suffer even more when it's snatched away.
Gullibility is not humility. Skepticism is not arrogance. Those who care about truth demand evidence. Those who don't rely on faith. NO ONE is saying that only they should require evidence. EVERYONE should! Believers appeal to evidence when they think it suits them. Saying that requiring faith is evil is just a dodge.
It really sounds like this guy is butthurt that we don't all just uncritically accept whatever _he_ is saying. I've never heard from any god, just people like this guy telling me what a god supposedly says.
I grew up without my absentee father around. I knew how much damage that situation can do. I vowed to take care of my son and to be available to him, always. And I have been. This was one of the biggest factors in my becoming an atheist; it occurred to me, while holding my infant son, that god was a crappy, absentee father. (It's way more complicated than that, but we'll leave that there.) The point is, any parent, and any reader of the novel Frankenstein, can tell you that parents have a responsibility to their children, and creators to what they create. A creator-god that that remains invisible is a crappy parent, at the very least. He is not living up to his simplest obligation. Even if he was real, he wouldn't be worth your effort. So, no, it is not arrogant to ask your parent or your god to be responsible for you, or to reveal himself to you. There are billions of human parents in the world capable of doing just that. The most powerful being in universe can't be bothered? How about this: he just doesn't exist.
Within seconds of him starting to talk, the bearded dude says, "_sit, and meditate, and pontificate"_ Huh? Oh, damn, I think this poor excuse for a thinker doesn't know the difference between 'ponder' and 'pontificate'! No doubt that in his remote village, he was the poster-child for homeschooling on a budget! What a maroon! ;-]
I'm sorry, I never agreed to those terms and conditions. I never signed on the dotted line, never clicked agree, never raised my hand and so affirmed. If a god wants me to be held to somebody's agreement that I don't need to read the contract, they'd better get my consent.
So it's proud and unreasonable to expect God, who knitted me together in my mother's womb and numbered the hairs on my head, to provide me the evidence necessary to save my soul. Sounds like he's saying "God can't do all that" For everyone. OK The more I hear about what God can't do the less I believe He's God.
That's how it always goes: "God is all-powerful, and God can and does literally do anything and everything... except this... and this... and that... and that... and that... and that..." "God sees all and knows all... but he did not see this coming... or that... or that... or that..." "God loves everyone, and God loves everyone so much and so unconditionally that he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and anguish where you will be sent to burn and choke and suffer and scream and cry forever and ever to the end of time and beyond, just because you asked one little question. But remember, *_gOd loVEs YoU_* - oh, and God needs money."
@@michaelmoore7975 So? Every major Christian denomination based themselves on Paul's writings, which deviated _very_ wildly from what was known to be the earliest of Christian tradition and dogma. Then, the council that decided on the composition of their seldom-read anthology only did so because they were locked in the building it was held in and were not released until they reached a final decision, which only occurred when they were about to starve to death. Does it even matter where the description came from? It does not change the fact that not only is it used outside of Dante's _Inferno,_ but the majority of Christianity uses it, including the largest denomination of them all, the Catholic Church.
@DavidRichardson153 All that and you didn't get it right about the special place? I don't know of any Catholic Churches still preaching that. Another common misconception, likely elicited from TV. movies or remembering it from the 1950's or 60"s. All you're saying is the Catholics were wrong and you are wrong. And since snce when do atheists concur with what Catholics say? Or do you just like to go along with whatever they say even though you know it's wrong?
God: Gives humans the Bible which is supposed to be overwhelming evidence that he is real. Also God: Gives dozens of other religious books to make you choose the right holy book for you.
LMAO, I don't require "precise evidence". How about they cough up ANY KIND of evidence that isn't just "Muh book say so!" - Why do we have to live in bizarro world where people who believe ridiculous stuff like religions can be seen as the reasonable ones by a majority of people?
For me the fact that we DON'T live in the kind of world where magic and miracles happen on the daily, the Earth opens up to swallow you if you badmouth the big boss and faith healers can bring people back from the dead in front of everyone... you know, the world the Bible is set in, kinda shuts the whole discussion up then and there. There is no conceivable argument ANYONE could make to explain why back in the day all the magic totally happened in front of everyone but today the best we get are weeping statues and pareidolia on slices of toast. No. If their god was real, we'd DAMN WELL SEE IT EVERY DAY, we wouldn't need convoluted philosophical jerking off.
I was 12 when the story of the Passover really sank in. My oldest brother, first born, is special needs. By 14, I was out of this morally bankrupt thinking.
If it's ok for people in the bible to ask for sign, then why can't we? Supposedly people that saw Jesus resurrected still didn't believe so what chance has an aetheist got? When you weigh it all up then come the day of resurrection there's gonna be about twenty times more people in hell than in heaven. That's a big fat failure by god if you ask me.
So much for "intelligent design"... Funny that something that supposedly can micromanage every stage of the design of a flagellum can't figure out a way to make itself more undeniably evident to the descendants of the remarkably ape-like creatures he first molded from clay and burped "life" into.
I think he doesn't know what "pontificate" means, because it's way too on the nose of what he's actually doing. To clarify for those who don't know, here's the definition... "To express one’s position or opinions dogmatically and pompously as if they were absolutely correct. To speak in a patronizing, supercilious or pompous manner, especially at length." He's definitely pontificating, but I don't think that's what he intended to admit.
What i wonder is how God can be everywhere and yet never, ever leave a trace? If you break into a house and kill someone or even just rob the place, many times detectives can go over the place and find a hair, fingerprint, something just moved, and change that can be clearly attributed to an intruder. But God is everywhere involved in everything but somehow never leaves the slightest trace, and never had even once in all of history.
I challenge all the Christians who claim that the Holy Spirit speaks to them, then ask him to reveal a secret about me that no one knows. I'll not hold my breath!
if you ask enough christians that same question there a very high likelihood they could tell you one of your secrets just by guessing. i dont ask them any questions, but i will debate them over contradictions in their own bible and they HATE that shit. and still they dance around the truth and usually resort to hurling insults and thats how you know they have no way to rebuttal.
@@1-eye-willy you could ask God to provide the answer, or an hint, to a a very difficult to which we do not currently have an answer. Any answer would have to be testable to ensure that it is not some BS.
@@1-eye-willy then I would get them to be more specific. Even guessing can only get you so far. Anyway, every Christian I have put that challenge to has refused or said something completely irrelevant.
@@snowflakemelter1172 Yeah, their god can never, y'know, help us unravel quantum mechanics but damn, does he have infinite time to lend for televangelists' parlor tricks.
Not necessarily… Science ignores the supernatural because there is no reason to suspect it exists. Give science the smallest reliable piece of evidence that it probably does exist and they’ll be all over that mf.
Just my opinion: Pride? Isn't it prideful to be certain one knows the one and only correct way to believe? It seems to me, saying I don't know and wanting to see more evidence is a humble approach to existence.
I never kill, never injure, never steal, never lie, never cheat, and i haven't for many years. If someone asks me for help and i can give it, i do. What else does God want?
Lots of apologists can't argue for a god that would require me to change my behaviours. Unless a god demands certain activities, I don't see the point in arguing for it.
Well yeah but you see, a couple people in the past ate an apple, so nothing you will ever do will ever be good enough for their god, because metaphysical claptrap that means nothing and basically comes down to imagined magical laws.
We are told God is omni-present. That means he's here in the room with me right now, in a manner of speaking. It'd be trivially easy for him to say hello and have a conversation with me about why I should believe. Since he's omniscient, he'd know exactly what to provide me with to convince me his position is correct and he'd know how to do so without violating my free will (if that's even a thing). And yet he doesn't. Thus, I conclude he either doesn't exist, doesn't have the powers attributed to him, or doesn't have any personal interest in me specifically. I'm not demanding God do this for me and me only, by the way. I'm pointing out how trivially easy it would be for God to do this *for every person who's ever lived,* and yet he apparently insists on doing things the hard way, the way which will result in the overwhelming majority of people ending up in hell or annihilated.
I want God to come shake my hand. Been asking Christians for years to get him to come see me. I don't need for him to say I'm a good boy, just a handshake and simple demonstration of him creating something.
Giving your life over to a lie is the stupidest thing a human can do! And of course these scammers want you to let your guard down. The most prideful and boastful people on Earth are evangelical preachers!
Believing in magic is like taking out a loan... Do you have credit? A job? A house? Friends? Education? Skills? No ? You have nothing? Sure here is a billion dollar loan to a person thats invisible no questions asked!!!!
Good morning! What makes guys like this think people owe it to him to fall in line and believe? It's reasonable to expect that if I'm going to give up my moral agency and ability to reason to someone or something outside of me, they show me that they exist and are actually benevolent. That's a bare minimum. Otherwise they can miss me with this nonsense and I'll live like they don't exist.
A god would need to show itself to all people on earth. Just proving its existence to me, while letting most of humanity burn forever in hell, is not the moniker of an all loving god. A god should make its existence known to everyone as common knowledge, like water being wet, fire being hot etc. Something that is impossible to be denied by all. And the Christian belief that "It is all written on our hearts", is obviously BS. We are talking about objective, demonstrable, independently verifiable, evidence that anybody can understand in the real world that we all share.
I don't believe in any gods, but there is also the possibility that a god exists and just doesn't want to be worshipped. All the "look at the trees" BS shouldn't cause people go to church because even if there was a god, the hiddenness of this god indicates that it even if it exists, it doesn't want to be worshipped and therefore going to church wouldn't be pleasing to this god.
@@travis1240 Bingo. Even if there is a god, it's definitely not that of any religion. It's a god that clearly doesn't give a shit about what we do or think.
@@travis1240Is there really a possibility ? Nothing I have seen, points to the possibility that a god exists. Just the simple fact that religion has only existed for a few thousand years, and not for the entire existence of the human race, shows that no gods exist.
@5:27 Now wait a minute. I used to be a believer, and I thought I had a personal relationship with God. Presumably, this guy believes he has a personal relationship as well. Now, how is it arrogant of me to want god to give me evidence to believe if Christianity is supposed to be a personal 1 on 1 relationship with God. Make up your mind Christtians, are we suppoosed to have a personal 1 on 1 relationship with your problematic god or not? It seems to me they are acting as gatekeepers, they are humble because god made the universe just for them but I'm arrogant for thinking there's nothing special about me? Say something that makes sense people. On another note - why does it bother them so much that other belief systems, and atheists exist. They got to shove their religion down our throat even when we don't want it. Why can't they just live and let live? I'm willing to do that.
My views on morality are based on the society I grew up in. They're based on laws and norms developed by our society. I don't behave the way I choose except that I choose to follow the standards of the community I live in.
Videos like this are always so incredibly frustrating. The problem is in the very premise of the video, his error is a foundational one, and so we have to sit through and entire video of him explaining why his strawman is bad. His premise is so messed up I can't even explain it all in this comment. This is just someone who really needs to justify his own faith and has all these really stupid excuses he has to tell himself to convince *himself*. The pride thing was especially pathetic, it's basically an ad hominem. "You're wrong because you have ". It's on the same level as "the fool says in his heart" crap.
God loves you, and he cares for you, and he made you to be in heaven, but he won't give you a sign, even at death's door. God is to you, like Scar is to Mufasa.
Jethro posts clickbait grabbing titles and does not have a clue he's just trying to make money. Just refuse to click on any of his posts no matter what the title says and he will disappear just like his god.
I'll be humble : God doesn't even know I exist, and wouldn't love me, because why? He certainly wouldn't value me enough to sleep all weekend for my salvation. In fact He wouldn't even waste space in Hell for me. I'll end up supernaturally homeless..
To be charitable - which most atheists tend to be, btw - let's assume that he meant to say "ponder" rather than "pontificate." That said, I can't help but honestly suspect he's ignorant when it comes to what that word actually means and am amazed that he doesn't immediately realize how awkward it sounds in this context.
“ Hey man, do you care whether or not the things you believe are true?” “Yeah, of course I do, you can’t use faith alone to tell if something are true or not” “Wow, you’re so demanding..”
The "personal creator" that wants a "personal relationship" can't be arsed to provide personal evidence even if it would be a non-issue for an all-powerful being? Right...
I was talking to a Christian earlier today on Facebook. He said he talked directly to god and god talked directly to him. I told him to ask god what my best friend's name is, his age, his mom's name, and what special thing me an my friend shared. I told him that would be evidence enough for me to desire to connect with god like that. Well the man didnt answer that question. We had debated for hours but that was the question the man would not respond to. I asked 2 more times. He posted videos, etc. But would not answer that question. So here's the thing. You Christians, Muslims, etc, are not talking to god and god is not talking to you. You are talking to yourselves. I believe Dan Barker talked about this from his days as an evangelical. So for the people who say god talks directly to them, answer my questions. God knows everything so surely if you talk to him he should be able to answer the question.
This guy has it totally 180 degrees backwards. It is absolutely the *most* "prideful" and narcissistic attitude possible to claim that the Supreme Creator of the Universe set His entire miraculous plan in motion explicitly for the purpose of establishing an intimate personal eternal relationship with YOU. NOTHING could possibly be more arrogant and boastful.
If God can't be bothered to provide evidence distinguishing his essential testament from all the other fake mythical books, then clearly my belief is not important to him.
I'd even just consider what it was that convinced my faith-filled interlocutor. I mean other than the ubiquitous "I felt it in my heart." Crickets....... (And WTF is that background the deluded Christian has back there???)
The Christian god will never prove himself to non believers and neither will any other god. Because you must believe and have faith in something that doesn’t exist!!!
Like your point about the mindset this guy encourages is exactly the one that plunges folks into cults, often not "Christian" ones. He confuses "humility" with "credulousness."
So he's going to jump to "you just wanna sin" and "how can you tell god what to do", for a reason his god can't prove he exists to people who don't believe their apologetics. The constant argument of "you should just believe" to even know if you should believe, is a basis for a lot of their arguments.
This Jethro dude (who looks way worse than Max Baer) doesn't seem to understand that praying IS putting yourself above all other humans by asking God for this or that special favor.
I believe I would not admit I sat and pontificated that point and this is what he came up with. Welp, that deserves a very Southern, Bless his heart. He tried.
That whole "it's prideful" argument is laughable. Why is it prideful to demand to an omnipotent, omniscient, benevolent god, to show the exact evidence I would need? He should now it, since he's omniscient. It should be piece of cake for him, since he's omnipotent. He should be willing to do it, since he's benevolent, since not doing it would send me to that special place of infinite punishment that should not coexist with a benevolent deity. It's like being in a bad, bad car accident, like the one in that old movie with Stallone (Daylight I think it's called). I'm there, trapped in some abstract sculture that was once my car, everything's burning, there are screams of pain everywhere. Then Stallone arrives, but unlike the movie, let's imagine he's not a man but some superhero with unlimited power. He can pry open all cars simultaneously by just a snap of his fingers, I'm there asking "hey can you open my car so I can get out and, like, get cured and not die?" And he would reply like "how prideful of you to ask for me to save you by opening your specific car, you should just stay there and bleed to death". That would make him a "The boys" kind of super hero instead of a benevolent god.
That whole tricycle schtick seems like such a straw man. Who said anything about a tricycle? Heck, who said anything about "prove it to me personally and only me, nobody else"? If this schmuck's god existed, I'd want that god to prove him/her/itself to *everybody,* not just me. And I'm willing to bet there are better ways to do it than poofing up some toys that we wanted as kids. Honestly, who's actually, non-jokingly asking for that besides Mr. Beardy McBearderson over here? The trike is a good way to make it sound selfish, but if we're going to think along those lines at all, maybe let's use that power to feed the hungry, get rid of really awful illnesses, etc?
Ah, "first make right"? So slavery is ok, as "God" made those rules before we got to the point where we see it as a horrible thing, so who are we to disagree with the rules?
If it is prideful of us to raise ourselves to expect that God does something for us on an individual basis, then how can we expect to have a personal meeting between me and God? A directly personal relationship is somewhat interactive. I'm sorry if you can't expect to have a personal individual introduction, how can you have a personal relationship? Moreover, if it is about who is laying down terms to a relationship, whether God started laying down terms first or we come up with additional ones at the end of the day, it is a back-and-forth relationship that says we both have some sort of autonomy and we both have some sort of needs. Otherwise, it's a dictatorship doing exactly what the dictator wants. And I don't think they want to call their God a dictator. As far as morality goes, I would follow this God's morality when he shows that he can follow his own morality. If he can stop killing people, if he can stop genocide, if he can stop ordering others to do bad things, if he can stop condoning slavery,...these are some things that are better in my morality system than in his. And therefore, I will only follow this entity if it can provide justification for what it's doing for the various things that it's doing or give clear orders to stop.
The Levites were made holy by God by their killing of the Midianites, the tribe of Moses' wife and her father, Jethro. The Levites replaced their rivals, the Kenites
I wonder if he would transfer his entire life savings to a random bank account if someone claims that the account belongs to God and that he is simply testing his faith? He is promised that god would reward him if he showed faith and did not let his pride get in the way.
it is interesting that prior to 1200 in England the way of working out if you had committed a crime was the use of ordeals. A person would have to carry a hot iron for a set number of steps. Then there would be an examination of the magnitude of the injury. People would be thrown bound into the water to see if they drowned. This practice was abandoned and replaced by juries. The reason was that the ordeal method required having god show a sign in each criminal matter so people could work out guilt. The church however decided that this thew to heavy a burden on God to ask him to intervene in all these cases. Thus they decided to have men make the decision and then we had juries. So it was expected at this point that god would intervene quite frequently in the world to communicate. But getting back to the point what would make you convert. How about a holy book that provided an easy to understand guide to morality and salvation. Like those Idiots guide to doing stuff. Can we say that the path to salvation is clear? Now the answer to this is not my opinion or Jethro's opinion. It is whether in general terms people have the same idea of what you have to do to achieve salvation. The answer is of course hat the Christion Church using the one set of texts has split on the question. Although not a fan of the leading intellectuals of the various churches it is clear that Aquinus, Luther and Calvin were not idiots. If the Bible was a clear guide why don't highly intelligent people have a common view as to salvation. Also why do highly intelligent people's ideas of morality change. Why is slavery okay but not great for 1,000 years and hen suddenly every one realizes it is no good.
@LondonStorm I think that there are many of us who come from conservative christian families that have a similar position in their family. My mom is extremely conservative but she and I still have a close relationship even after I told her why I do not believe god exists. Thanks for 'bragging'!
you know that in the final books of the old testament tell people to test the speaker so they know if they are a false prophet. so how come when we go to test if god is real, then all of a sudden we are the ones who are in the wrong. also this guy clearly hasn't read the bible. the bible is filled with people asking god for signs, and even changing gods mind when he starts to have a little tantrum (times when god wants to wipe his own people out) so how come it is ok for "bible heroes" to ask god yet it is wrong for us evil atheists. non-consistency is religions specialty.
Ultimately there is no reason why any God should remain hidden, faith serves no purpose and no honest person or God would demand it, especially when this same God has performed miracles in these holy books that beleivers state really happened, why can't they happen now and provide simple proof of a Gods existence?
God wants me tell you this secret message as confirmation he is alive: "Suffer the winter's cold wind for it bears aloft next summer's seeds." Or maybe that was Todd Howard
Atheist: Asking for evidence, Theist: isn’t it prideful to ask god to cater to your personal demands? Atheist: isn’t your god supposed to be a personal god and have personal relationships with his believers? 🤷♀️
It's pretty clear that belief generally can motivate people to do extraordinary things. As an atheist, I'm free to choose what to believe on a case by case basis. I can fantasise if I think it will motivate me toward my goal.
Man! These videos can be aggressively frustrating. We should be able to know about Jethro’s god without exclusively presupposing tales from his holy book. Native Americans should have seen Yahweh and his angels on the clouds throwing lightning bolts before European explorers shoved the book down their throats. We should see his followers perform miracles in his name as is written in Acts.
I gave up my pride, opened my heart, and trusted my feelings. I'm now a worshiper of Optimus Prime, the heroic Autobot from "Transformers"
See, now *that's* a fictional character worthy of worship.
disturbing thing is, that from outside you look like one
I've always been a faithful autobot to prime and hiz wisdom. He's almighty and love, optimus iz savior of da world against da evil sinful devil megatron and hiz fallen decepticons. 🟣✝️⚔️⚛️🔴
@@collegerebelalmighty purple unicorn, friendship iz magic
Asking for evidence isn’t prideful, it’s rational.
Rational is prideful when you're supposed to debase your intellect.
HERETIC
@@joshualavender wha??
Being prideful is when you think you already know all of the answers because a book told you.
@kenharness1417 you mean religious books?? lol
The same Christian that says "atheist demand evidence" does the same thing to other religions or denominations that don't share his beliefs.
Some Christians have a remarkable ability to be arrogant, ignorant, and condescending all at the same time.
That's true it's just the way people are I've heard athiest say God was a monster for killing babies but yet it's ok for them to get a doctor to do it
No, not really, because all (or nearly all) theists at least already share a belief in “the supernatural”. Christians aren’t demanding empirical, repeatable, falsifiable evidence of Allah’s existence, for example, because they already buy into the idea that God is “beyond space and time”, they already accept that “miracles” happen, and all that jazz. So, although there might be some overlap here and there, for the most part Christian objections to other religions are going to be different from atheistic objections to all religions.
A story of Yahweh worshippers mocking baal priests for not producing miracles on demand literally made it into the bible. It's a hypocritical religion to the core.
@@joshconner79And you see no difference between sending an army to kill every human young and old and medical abortion?
"How is it that you use reason as a path to truth in every endeavor of your life, and then when it comes to the ‘ultimate truth’ - the most important truth - you're saying that faith is required. And how does that reflect on a god who supposedly exists and wants you to have this information. What kind of god requires faith instead of evidence? A god that does not manifest in reality is indistinguishable from a god that does not exist."
[Matt Dillahunty]
It is ironic that a guy who is telling atheists that they need to be humble is arrogant enough to claim that he not only knows that God exists but can tell us what God does and why God does it.
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I'm sorry I literally tune them out idek what he was saying it's just like word salad. I think they all just make these videos to look at themselves or hear themselves talk.. Which isn't that one of the 7 deadly sins??..
@@Bangin0utWest agreed!
I think vanity goes hand in hand with arrogance and sanctimony - qualities many devout Christians seem to exude!
They always do that shit. Incidentally, the reason why people can simply dismiss their story is that it is a simple-minded story. They can crow all they want about how "god's ways are higher than ours", but their own desire to make their deity the bestest strongest evah kinda shoots that in the foot. You don't need complicated plans if literally anything you want to happen happens because you're omnipotent. Any attempt to conceal that is implicitly putting limitations on their god's powers. If they try to wiggle out of such a direct question, they're already implicitly renouncing the whole omnipotence thing.
@@Bangin0utWest I had to look up the seven deadly sins. The particular brand of Protestantism to which I once belonged didn’t stress those although I had certainly heard of them. I just could not name them. Yes, pride is one of those. I would argue that it takes a good deal of hubris for anybody to believe he can speak for God and predict God’s actions. If you listen closely, it starts to sound like they are commanding God to do something. I once had a Muslim tell me that his God was going to kill my children. It sure sounded like he was commanding God to do so.
"Love your neighbor as yourself.. ..If he's got the right paperwork."
Prideful? Like thinking there's a deity, that created all of time and matter, wanting to have a personal relationship with you? 🤔
parasocial relationships; not just for youtube
5:30 Maybe it's just me, but I think that any deity that can bring forth an entire world in under a week would be able to whip up a tricycle in no time.
The god they describe always comes off as so weak and unable to do anything. Can build Star. Cant fly me to the star to have a chat about stuff.
How about he provides food for all hungry people, water for all thirsty people, medicine to cure all sick people, etc.
He demands we do that, so why can't he?
A tricycle or perhaps a boat? NOAH…..where’s my boat there’s flood coming?!
Strange how gods can only make things we find in nature and never anything that people can make-- like a house or a boat.
Should, yup. Especially being TriOmni 'n all.
I did humble myself, it's why I'm not Christian anymore.
In order to leave religion you necessarily must be able to admit your lifelong beliefs might just be entirety false.
It's so weird that Christians insist that God is omnipotent and omnibenevolent, and yet there are so many things he can't or won't do.
They don't understand the concept of omnipotence.
My favourite quote from the Greek philosopher Epicurus …
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
I'm convinced they secretly hate the guy that came up with that😂
Ironically, making their God omniscient and omnipotent actually adds complexity and introduces the problem of evil. This problem would not exist if their God did not have any omni attributes as it means that their God could not know the future.
They also have never provided any evidence to show that any of the omni attributes are even possible. They just assume that it is and therefore it must be true.
@@patelk464 well said.
In history there have been an estimated 3000 gods, Christians deny the existence of 2999 of them. As an atheist I just deny the existence of 1 more god.
That irony will never hit home with them though, they just can’t see it 😂
Jethro said a lot of words, which, I suspect, weren't necessarily in the right order.
Tossing the salad. 😂
@@aubreyleonae4108 That, of course, could be taken in two ways using UK slang.
@@clemstevenson yup
@@aubreyleonae4108 🤣
Maybe they just happen to be in a dope order
Even if their god turned out to be real, I would not worship it. It's evil.
Exactly. Even if it was real, it's still an absurd trainwreck of nonsensical bullshit.
YES!!!!!
Exactly how I feel about christcucks and their stupid book of lies dogma and hate.
Izn't gawd actually in a role of a complete 👻🚫 villain?? Some vengeful holy ghost thing trying to destroy you for fun.
If the bible is an accurate representation of this god's motives and character, then yes, it is absolutely a villain.
And that's just if you take the book at face value, and don't read the absurd Omni traits into it the way modern Christians do.
If you actually pretend that the god depicted in the bible actually IS omniscient, and omnipotent, then he's not just evil.
He is the single most malevolent entity that could possibly be imagined; creating a cosmic death trap as a monument to his own ego, with the sole intention of torturing 85% of all humans who would ever be born, while gaslighting the rest into loving it for abusing them.
Even if such a being could be proven to exist, I would have absolutely zero reason to trust it. For all I know, heaven is just a false hope it created to make us suffer even more when it's snatched away.
@@chameleonx9253 gawd = aku
Gullibility is not humility. Skepticism is not arrogance. Those who care about truth demand evidence. Those who don't rely on faith.
NO ONE is saying that only they should require evidence. EVERYONE should! Believers appeal to evidence when they think it suits them. Saying that requiring faith is evil is just a dodge.
Houdini and his wife had a secret word before his death as a way of testing whether psychic mediums were legitimate. None got the correct word
It really sounds like this guy is butthurt that we don't all just uncritically accept whatever _he_ is saying. I've never heard from any god, just people like this guy telling me what a god supposedly says.
If that's what his god wants of me, then don't tell me, he should let his god tell me. I don't require a self-righteous middleman.
I grew up without my absentee father around. I knew how much damage that situation can do. I vowed to take care of my son and to be available to him, always. And I have been. This was one of the biggest factors in my becoming an atheist; it occurred to me, while holding my infant son, that god was a crappy, absentee father. (It's way more complicated than that, but we'll leave that there.) The point is, any parent, and any reader of the novel Frankenstein, can tell you that parents have a responsibility to their children, and creators to what they create. A creator-god that that remains invisible is a crappy parent, at the very least. He is not living up to his simplest obligation. Even if he was real, he wouldn't be worth your effort. So, no, it is not arrogant to ask your parent or your god to be responsible for you, or to reveal himself to you. There are billions of human parents in the world capable of doing just that. The most powerful being in universe can't be bothered? How about this: he just doesn't exist.
Within seconds of him starting to talk, the bearded dude says, "_sit, and meditate, and pontificate"_
Huh? Oh, damn, I think this poor excuse for a thinker doesn't know the difference between 'ponder' and 'pontificate'! No doubt that in his remote village, he was the poster-child for homeschooling on a budget! What a maroon! ;-]
... and on the "We Atheists Are Too Demanding (tm)" - I'm not asking of their god anything more than I would ask of any human.
It's unreasonable because its a standard that Makes Sense!
I'm sorry, I never agreed to those terms and conditions. I never signed on the dotted line, never clicked agree, never raised my hand and so affirmed. If a god wants me to be held to somebody's agreement that I don't need to read the contract, they'd better get my consent.
Someone stole your identity and enrolled as you.
Sorry, the infernal paperwork has been submitted and cannot be recalled.
Why is God's morality correct? The existence of God and whether he should be obeyed are separate issues.
So it's proud and unreasonable to expect God, who knitted me together in my mother's womb and numbered the hairs on my head, to provide me the evidence necessary to save my soul. Sounds like he's saying "God can't do all that" For everyone. OK The more I hear about what God can't do the less I believe He's God.
That's how it always goes:
"God is all-powerful, and God can and does literally do anything and everything... except this... and this... and that... and that... and that... and that..."
"God sees all and knows all... but he did not see this coming... or that... or that... or that..."
"God loves everyone, and God loves everyone so much and so unconditionally that he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and anguish where you will be sent to burn and choke and suffer and scream and cry forever and ever to the end of time and beyond, just because you asked one little question. But remember, *_gOd loVEs YoU_* - oh, and God needs money."
@DavidRichardson153 Sounds like your description of that "special place" is from a common misconception originally derived from _Dantes Inferno_
@@michaelmoore7975 So? Every major Christian denomination based themselves on Paul's writings, which deviated _very_ wildly from what was known to be the earliest of Christian tradition and dogma. Then, the council that decided on the composition of their seldom-read anthology only did so because they were locked in the building it was held in and were not released until they reached a final decision, which only occurred when they were about to starve to death.
Does it even matter where the description came from? It does not change the fact that not only is it used outside of Dante's _Inferno,_ but the majority of Christianity uses it, including the largest denomination of them all, the Catholic Church.
Epicurus pricked this ridiculous tri-omni God balloon some 2,300 years ago.
@DavidRichardson153 All that and you didn't get it right about the special place?
I don't know of any Catholic Churches still preaching that. Another common misconception, likely elicited from TV. movies or remembering it from the 1950's or 60"s. All you're saying is the Catholics were wrong and you are wrong.
And since snce when do atheists concur with what Catholics say?
Or do you just like to go along with whatever they say even though you know it's wrong?
God proving to me that he exists would NOT make me a Christian. It would make me a dystheist.
Dystheist! I just learned a new word - thanks!
You think if I started a go fund me and said “god spoke to me and said if you give me money something good will happen for you” it would do well?
God: Gives humans the Bible which is supposed to be overwhelming evidence that he is real.
Also God: Gives dozens of other religious books to make you choose the right holy book for you.
LMAO, I don't require "precise evidence". How about they cough up ANY KIND of evidence that isn't just "Muh book say so!" - Why do we have to live in bizarro world where people who believe ridiculous stuff like religions can be seen as the reasonable ones by a majority of people?
Their evidence consists of chopping branches off the fallacy tree and presenting them as proof.
For me the fact that we DON'T live in the kind of world where magic and miracles happen on the daily, the Earth opens up to swallow you if you badmouth the big boss and faith healers can bring people back from the dead in front of everyone... you know, the world the Bible is set in, kinda shuts the whole discussion up then and there. There is no conceivable argument ANYONE could make to explain why back in the day all the magic totally happened in front of everyone but today the best we get are weeping statues and pareidolia on slices of toast.
No. If their god was real, we'd DAMN WELL SEE IT EVERY DAY, we wouldn't need convoluted philosophical jerking off.
@@antonioscendrategattico2302 very well said ☺️
I was 12 when the story of the Passover really sank in. My oldest brother, first born, is special needs. By 14, I was out of this morally bankrupt thinking.
If it's ok for people in the bible to ask for sign, then why can't we? Supposedly people that saw Jesus resurrected still didn't believe so what chance has an aetheist got? When you weigh it all up then come the day of resurrection there's gonna be about twenty times more people in hell than in heaven. That's a big fat failure by god if you ask me.
So much for "intelligent design"...
Funny that something that supposedly can micromanage every stage of the design of a flagellum can't figure out a way to make itself more undeniably evident to the descendants of the remarkably ape-like creatures he first molded from clay and burped "life" into.
I think he doesn't know what "pontificate" means, because it's way too on the nose of what he's actually doing. To clarify for those who don't know, here's the definition... "To express one’s position or opinions dogmatically and pompously as if they were absolutely correct.
To speak in a patronizing, supercilious or pompous manner, especially at length." He's definitely pontificating, but I don't think that's what he intended to admit.
What i wonder is how God can be everywhere and yet never, ever leave a trace?
If you break into a house and kill someone or even just rob the place, many times detectives can go over the place and find a hair, fingerprint, something just moved, and change that can be clearly attributed to an intruder.
But God is everywhere involved in everything but somehow never leaves the slightest trace, and never had even once in all of history.
I challenge all the Christians who claim that the Holy Spirit speaks to them, then ask him to reveal a secret about me that no one knows. I'll not hold my breath!
if you ask enough christians that same question there a very high likelihood they could tell you one of your secrets just by guessing. i dont ask them any questions, but i will debate them over contradictions in their own bible and they HATE that shit. and still they dance around the truth and usually resort to hurling insults and thats how you know they have no way to rebuttal.
@@1-eye-willy you could ask God to provide the answer, or an hint, to a a very difficult to which we do not currently have an answer. Any answer would have to be testable to ensure that it is not some BS.
@@1-eye-willy then I would get them to be more specific. Even guessing can only get you so far. Anyway, every Christian I have put that challenge to has refused or said something completely irrelevant.
They will say their God doesn't work on demand, to cover up the fact that only beleivers will lie about God speaking to them.
@@snowflakemelter1172 Yeah, their god can never, y'know, help us unravel quantum mechanics but damn, does he have infinite time to lend for televangelists' parlor tricks.
Idk man supernatural claims kind of demand a higher standard of evidence by their very nature
Not necessarily…
Science ignores the supernatural because there is no reason to suspect it exists.
Give science the smallest reliable piece of evidence that it probably does exist and they’ll be all over that mf.
Just my opinion: Pride? Isn't it prideful to be certain one knows the one and only correct way to believe?
It seems to me, saying I don't know and wanting to see more evidence is a humble approach to existence.
It means full of pride.
I never kill, never injure, never steal, never lie, never cheat, and i haven't for many years. If someone asks me for help and i can give it, i do.
What else does God want?
Maybe the blood of your first born?
Your wallet
Lots of apologists can't argue for a god that would require me to change my behaviours. Unless a god demands certain activities, I don't see the point in arguing for it.
Well yeah but you see, a couple people in the past ate an apple, so nothing you will ever do will ever be good enough for their god, because metaphysical claptrap that means nothing and basically comes down to imagined magical laws.
most of your money and to let priests fondle your female relations.
We are told God is omni-present. That means he's here in the room with me right now, in a manner of speaking. It'd be trivially easy for him to say hello and have a conversation with me about why I should believe. Since he's omniscient, he'd know exactly what to provide me with to convince me his position is correct and he'd know how to do so without violating my free will (if that's even a thing). And yet he doesn't. Thus, I conclude he either doesn't exist, doesn't have the powers attributed to him, or doesn't have any personal interest in me specifically.
I'm not demanding God do this for me and me only, by the way. I'm pointing out how trivially easy it would be for God to do this *for every person who's ever lived,* and yet he apparently insists on doing things the hard way, the way which will result in the overwhelming majority of people ending up in hell or annihilated.
I want God to come shake my hand. Been asking Christians for years to get him to come see me. I don't need for him to say I'm a good boy, just a handshake and simple demonstration of him creating something.
I'll stop demanding evidence for God when Christians stop making wild claims without evidence lol.
I like trying to guess where he's going to use "but I digress"
I love how "The evidence is in this book, if you read it then..."
There are many books.
Read a book is not an argument.
Giving your life over to a lie is the stupidest thing a human can do!
And of course these scammers want you to let your guard down.
The most prideful and boastful people on Earth are evangelical preachers!
One doesn't need to believe or have faith if they have ACTUAL evidence, they would have knowledge.
Believing in magic is like taking out a loan... Do you have credit? A job? A house? Friends? Education? Skills? No ? You have nothing? Sure here is a billion dollar loan to a person thats invisible no questions asked!!!!
For Christians, magic is dirty and affiliated with the Devil. Christians call their magic Miracles. Which is very funny
Oh, don't call it "magic", that's the work of the Devil. Christians prefer the term "miracle".
Theists are the biggest bullies on the block, like most bullies don't like pushback😂
Good morning! What makes guys like this think people owe it to him to fall in line and believe? It's reasonable to expect that if I'm going to give up my moral agency and ability to reason to someone or something outside of me, they show me that they exist and are actually benevolent. That's a bare minimum. Otherwise they can miss me with this nonsense and I'll live like they don't exist.
The only difference between a religion and a cult is the effectiveness of their marketing.
A god would need to show itself to all people on earth. Just proving its existence to me, while letting most of humanity burn forever in hell, is not the moniker of an all loving god.
A god should make its existence known to everyone as common knowledge, like water being wet, fire being hot etc.
Something that is impossible to be denied by all.
And the Christian belief that "It is all written on our hearts", is obviously BS.
We are talking about objective, demonstrable, independently verifiable, evidence that anybody can understand in the real world that we all share.
I don't believe in any gods, but there is also the possibility that a god exists and just doesn't want to be worshipped. All the "look at the trees" BS shouldn't cause people go to church because even if there was a god, the hiddenness of this god indicates that it even if it exists, it doesn't want to be worshipped and therefore going to church wouldn't be pleasing to this god.
@@travis1240
Which, as an atheist, it would be irrelevant to me, and I can go about my day and the deity can go about its day, or whatever it has.
@@travis1240 Bingo. Even if there is a god, it's definitely not that of any religion. It's a god that clearly doesn't give a shit about what we do or think.
@@travis1240Is there really a possibility ? Nothing I have seen, points to the possibility that a god exists. Just the simple fact that religion has only existed for a few thousand years, and not for the entire existence of the human race, shows that no gods exist.
This excusegist is hard to listen to. Thank you for doing it for me
I thought at first you were riffing on exegesis. Apologetics as excusegesis...
(Yours is better.)
Isn't there a philosophical theory that moral simmply boils down to what we owe to each other?
@5:27 Now wait a minute. I used to be a believer, and I thought I had a personal relationship with God. Presumably, this guy believes he has a personal relationship as well. Now, how is it arrogant of me to want god to give me evidence to believe if Christianity is supposed to be a personal 1 on 1 relationship with God. Make up your mind Christtians, are we suppoosed to have a personal 1 on 1 relationship with your problematic god or not? It seems to me they are acting as gatekeepers, they are humble because god made the universe just for them but I'm arrogant for thinking there's nothing special about me? Say something that makes sense people.
On another note - why does it bother them so much that other belief systems, and atheists exist. They got to shove their religion down our throat even when we don't want it. Why can't they just live and let live? I'm willing to do that.
My views on morality are based on the society I grew up in. They're based on laws and norms developed by our society. I don't behave the way I choose except that I choose to follow the standards of the community I live in.
As a human being endowed with the capacity to reason you are permitted to question the "laws and norms" of the society you grew up in.
Videos like this are always so incredibly frustrating. The problem is in the very premise of the video, his error is a foundational one, and so we have to sit through and entire video of him explaining why his strawman is bad. His premise is so messed up I can't even explain it all in this comment.
This is just someone who really needs to justify his own faith and has all these really stupid excuses he has to tell himself to convince *himself*. The pride thing was especially pathetic, it's basically an ad hominem. "You're wrong because you have ". It's on the same level as "the fool says in his heart" crap.
God loves you, and he cares for you, and he made you to be in heaven, but he won't give you a sign, even at death's door. God is to you, like Scar is to Mufasa.
Jethro posts clickbait grabbing titles and does not have a clue he's just trying to make money. Just refuse to click on any of his posts no matter what the title says and he will disappear just like his god.
I'll be humble : God doesn't even know I exist, and wouldn't love me, because why?
He certainly wouldn't value me enough to sleep all weekend for my salvation.
In fact He wouldn't even waste space in Hell for me.
I'll end up supernaturally homeless..
FMA
(Afterlife)
Nothing like a cat that starts out with "pontificate" without, clearly, understanding what that word means. Classic.
To be charitable - which most atheists tend to be, btw - let's assume that he meant to say "ponder" rather than "pontificate."
That said, I can't help but honestly suspect he's ignorant when it comes to what that word actually means and am amazed that he doesn't immediately realize how awkward it sounds in this context.
“ Hey man, do you care whether or not the things you believe are true?”
“Yeah, of course I do, you can’t use faith alone to tell if something are true or not”
“Wow, you’re so demanding..”
The "personal creator" that wants a "personal relationship" can't be arsed to provide personal evidence even if it would be a non-issue for an all-powerful being? Right...
I was talking to a Christian earlier today on Facebook. He said he talked directly to god and god talked directly to him. I told him to ask god what my best friend's name is, his age, his mom's name, and what special thing me an my friend shared. I told him that would be evidence enough for me to desire to connect with god like that.
Well the man didnt answer that question. We had debated for hours but that was the question the man would not respond to. I asked 2 more times. He posted videos, etc. But would not answer that question. So here's the thing. You Christians, Muslims, etc, are not talking to god and god is not talking to you. You are talking to yourselves.
I believe Dan Barker talked about this from his days as an evangelical.
So for the people who say god talks directly to them, answer my questions. God knows everything so surely if you talk to him he should be able to answer the question.
If I have a personal relationship with god, when does it buy the beer?
Too demanding or too hard to grift off of
This guy has it totally 180 degrees backwards. It is absolutely the *most* "prideful" and narcissistic attitude possible to claim that the Supreme Creator of the Universe set His entire miraculous plan in motion explicitly for the purpose of establishing an intimate personal eternal relationship with YOU. NOTHING could possibly be more arrogant and boastful.
If God can't be bothered to provide evidence distinguishing his essential testament from all the other fake mythical books, then clearly my belief is not important to him.
I'd even just consider what it was that convinced my faith-filled interlocutor. I mean other than the ubiquitous "I felt it in my heart." Crickets.......
(And WTF is that background the deluded Christian has back there???)
Like George Carlin said in one of his routines:: "If God exists , may he strike this audience dead."
The Christian god will never prove himself to non believers and neither will any other god. Because you must believe and have faith in something that doesn’t exist!!!
Like your point about the mindset this guy encourages is exactly the one that plunges folks into cults, often not "Christian" ones. He confuses "humility" with "credulousness."
So he's going to jump to "you just wanna sin" and "how can you tell god what to do", for a reason his god can't prove he exists to people who don't believe their apologetics. The constant argument of "you should just believe" to even know if you should believe, is a basis for a lot of their arguments.
8:18 This STILL wouldn't be faith. Your past experiences with your dad or whoever would still be evidence to conclude something about them.
Have you seem Spirit Science?
Jordan seems to take every wacky religious, pseudo scientific nonsense, and mythologies, and blend them all together.
This Jethro dude (who looks way worse than Max Baer) doesn't seem to understand that praying IS putting yourself above all other humans by asking God for this or that special favor.
This kind of apologetics can replace “believe in god” with “buy this bridge” and nothing in the presentation would change.
I believe I would not admit I sat and pontificated that point and this is what he came up with. Welp, that deserves a very Southern, Bless his heart. He tried.
That whole "it's prideful" argument is laughable. Why is it prideful to demand to an omnipotent, omniscient, benevolent god, to show the exact evidence I would need? He should now it, since he's omniscient. It should be piece of cake for him, since he's omnipotent. He should be willing to do it, since he's benevolent, since not doing it would send me to that special place of infinite punishment that should not coexist with a benevolent deity.
It's like being in a bad, bad car accident, like the one in that old movie with Stallone (Daylight I think it's called). I'm there, trapped in some abstract sculture that was once my car, everything's burning, there are screams of pain everywhere. Then Stallone arrives, but unlike the movie, let's imagine he's not a man but some superhero with unlimited power. He can pry open all cars simultaneously by just a snap of his fingers, I'm there asking "hey can you open my car so I can get out and, like, get cured and not die?" And he would reply like "how prideful of you to ask for me to save you by opening your specific car, you should just stay there and bleed to death". That would make him a "The boys" kind of super hero instead of a benevolent god.
God will, without fail, give you anything you ask for.
Provided you never ask God for anything.
Everyone has a book…and yet the some of the most popular religions are just variations of the same book.
The infernal refusal to ever provide a falsification criteria for any of their claims really speaks volumes all by itself.
Since Satan is the ultimate trickster, how do I know that there is a god and not him tricking me into believing?
Mat D once said that the more technicalogical we come, the more miracles are proofing to be false.
That whole tricycle schtick seems like such a straw man. Who said anything about a tricycle? Heck, who said anything about "prove it to me personally and only me, nobody else"? If this schmuck's god existed, I'd want that god to prove him/her/itself to *everybody,* not just me. And I'm willing to bet there are better ways to do it than poofing up some toys that we wanted as kids. Honestly, who's actually, non-jokingly asking for that besides Mr. Beardy McBearderson over here? The trike is a good way to make it sound selfish, but if we're going to think along those lines at all, maybe let's use that power to feed the hungry, get rid of really awful illnesses, etc?
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked him for forgiveness."
-Michael Corleone
@@rclrd1 Thanks for the source. I have used that one but did not know where it came from.
...Jethro sounds like deathrow and I can't unhear it.
Ah, "first make right"?
So slavery is ok, as "God" made those rules before we got to the point where we see it as a horrible thing, so who are we to disagree with the rules?
'God Save the King' sends tingles through my body so I conclude God is British.
If it is prideful of us to raise ourselves to expect that God does something for us on an individual basis, then how can we expect to have a personal meeting between me and God? A directly personal relationship is somewhat interactive. I'm sorry if you can't expect to have a personal individual introduction, how can you have a personal relationship?
Moreover, if it is about who is laying down terms to a relationship, whether God started laying down terms first or we come up with additional ones at the end of the day, it is a back-and-forth relationship that says we both have some sort of autonomy and we both have some sort of needs. Otherwise, it's a dictatorship doing exactly what the dictator wants. And I don't think they want to call their God a dictator.
As far as morality goes, I would follow this God's morality when he shows that he can follow his own morality. If he can stop killing people, if he can stop genocide, if he can stop ordering others to do bad things, if he can stop condoning slavery,...these are some things that are better in my morality system than in his. And therefore, I will only follow this entity if it can provide justification for what it's doing for the various things that it's doing or give clear orders to stop.
How is it that theists think we heathens talk to their imaginary skydaddys about anything.
The Levites were made holy by God by their killing of the Midianites, the tribe of Moses' wife and her father, Jethro. The Levites replaced their rivals, the Kenites
I wonder if he would transfer his entire life savings to a random bank account if someone claims that the account belongs to God and that he is simply testing his faith? He is promised that god would reward him if he showed faith and did not let his pride get in the way.
it is interesting that prior to 1200 in England the way of working out if you had committed a crime was the use of ordeals. A person would have to carry a hot iron for a set number of steps. Then there would be an examination of the magnitude of the injury. People would be thrown bound into the water to see if they drowned. This practice was abandoned and replaced by juries. The reason was that the ordeal method required having god show a sign in each criminal matter so people could work out guilt. The church however decided that this thew to heavy a burden on God to ask him to intervene in all these cases. Thus they decided to have men make the decision and then we had juries. So it was expected at this point that god would intervene quite frequently in the world to communicate. But getting back to the point what would make you convert. How about a holy book that provided an easy to understand guide to morality and salvation. Like those Idiots guide to doing stuff. Can we say that the path to salvation is clear? Now the answer to this is not my opinion or Jethro's opinion. It is whether in general terms people have the same idea of what you have to do to achieve salvation. The answer is of course hat the Christion Church using the one set of texts has split on the question. Although not a fan of the leading intellectuals of the various churches it is clear that Aquinus, Luther and Calvin were not idiots. If the Bible was a clear guide why don't highly intelligent people have a common view as to salvation. Also why do highly intelligent people's ideas of morality change. Why is slavery okay but not great for 1,000 years and hen suddenly every one realizes it is no good.
@LondonStorm I think that there are many of us who come from conservative christian families that have a similar position in their family. My mom is extremely conservative but she and I still have a close relationship even after I told her why I do not believe god exists. Thanks for 'bragging'!
you know that in the final books of the old testament tell people to test the speaker so they know if they are a false prophet. so how come when we go to test if god is real, then all of a sudden we are the ones who are in the wrong.
also this guy clearly hasn't read the bible. the bible is filled with people asking god for signs, and even changing gods mind when he starts to have a little tantrum (times when god wants to wipe his own people out) so how come it is ok for "bible heroes" to ask god yet it is wrong for us evil atheists. non-consistency is religions specialty.
Oh please, that guy makes *Ron "The Fraud" Wyatt* look like a genius.
Ultimately there is no reason why any God should remain hidden, faith serves no purpose and no honest person or God would demand it, especially when this same God has performed miracles in these holy books that beleivers state really happened, why can't they happen now and provide simple proof of a Gods existence?
God wants me tell you this secret message as confirmation he is alive:
"Suffer the winter's cold wind for it bears aloft next summer's seeds."
Or maybe that was Todd Howard
Yeah I'ma need some evidence before forking over my time and money or letting belief in an invisible entity determine public policy.
Atheist: Asking for evidence,
Theist: isn’t it prideful to ask god to cater to your personal demands?
Atheist: isn’t your god supposed to be a personal god and have personal relationships with his believers? 🤷♀️
Are those coffins behind him?
It's pretty clear that belief generally can motivate people to do extraordinary things. As an atheist, I'm free to choose what to believe on a case by case basis. I can fantasise if I think it will motivate me toward my goal.
Man! These videos can be aggressively frustrating. We should be able to know about Jethro’s god without exclusively presupposing tales from his holy book. Native Americans should have seen Yahweh and his angels on the clouds throwing lightning bolts before European explorers shoved the book down their throats. We should see his followers perform miracles in his name as is written in Acts.
I don't think pontificate means what Eternal Insecurity thinks it means.
Is he trying to look like what he imagines people looked like in the bible?
The most convincing argument for God that I know is Kat Kerr's personal experience at Jello Land, in Heaven.