VMP 1930 at the Range: does the Monopod Help?
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Yesterday we took a look at the mechanics and history of Heinrich Vollmer's 1930 pattern VMP, and today we have it out at the range. I'm curious is the mid-point monopod will actually help or hinder accurate shooting...shall we find out?
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Shooting obscure German Interwar sub machine guns. Ian has the best job in the world!😮
That bolt is working so smoothly, truly impressive to see.
It's a tough job he's got there, hats off to Ian for all the suffering he must endure to bring us all these videos😊
Yeah i agree. He have to be shooting exotic and cool guns just to be able to experience the freezing cold and the winds. Poor bastard... 🤣😂
Insert something about lobbing kettle balls in the snow here.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@CurtHowland attempting winter brutality in a kilt 🤣
#prayforian
Saw how easy that looked to shoot off the shoulder. Looked smooth as butter.
It did, and to me the 9mm Luger sounded only slightly louder than .22lr, I even heard the crack as it went through the sound barrier.
Lol I just said the same thing, butter.
The mag dump almost looked like special effects, the recoil and muzzle climb are so mild.
@@bobhill3941 To be fair, these videos don't capture differences between loud sounds very well.
@@bobhill3941 It's audio compression. Most mics can't record the sound of gunfire properly.
Something that I love about this channel is Ian's honest appraisal. His changed view of the monopod having fired the gun is a case in point. No embarrassment in saying "okay, I thought it would be useless, but, hands on, it works". Love that.
That lil' Monopod actually did the work. Pretty friggin' cool. Nice how it lines right up with the shoulder for prone shooting like that.
The long barrel has a certain feel to it.
Long, fluted, and tapers to the muzzle. It has a rapier-like elegance to it.
elegance like the other guy said
😳
That is truly a precision instrument. Not a spray and pray rifle at all.
This thing sounds exactly like the MP40, and I think you would rather have the VMP or the MP41 over the MP40, plus you get the beautiful look from the wood stock being obviously comfortable to use.
9x19 is still 9x19....
@@carlborg8023 Don't be silly, it's a very effective round. There's a reason why the vast majority of law enforcement use it. Also, when the military moved away from Beretta, they went with another 9mm.
The mag is way better than that of MP40.
I love my MP-40 but would trade it and cash for that gun any day of the week. I shutter to think what that will sell for.
For personal ownership now? Sure. But they needed *wartime* weapons at the time, and that means guns like this were simply too over-engineered and far too expensive to produce in the quantities required, and the MP40 was good enough.
Wow look how straight back that mechanism runs! You can tell the quality just by how smooth it runs!! I have a couple of high end pistols that glide just like that as if they are on ball bearings! What a treat to watch it live fire! Thank you for everything you do!!
So cool of Morphis to let Ian shoot rare old guns. Nice archival work!
@@rolandluth2098 true but it is a win-win…. Well actually a win-win-win because we all get to see it shoot and learn a little bit about it.
My favorite part of this video is when ian said "its morphin time"
The monopod can be helpful for providing stability and support when shooting over longer distances, especially if you need to hold the firearm steady for an extended period of time
I'm glad it serves a purpose and works well.
Works fine as a foregrip too when folded, must be said.
By the looks of it, 100m would be no problem at all with this.
Thanks, Captain O.
Shows you just how much Ian is respected and trusted that they let him shoot the only known VMP1930 in North America.
I love that the ejection port gives you a view of the double-feed of the magazine presenting cartridges alternating top and bottom in the slow-motion shots.
Love the quality manufacture of these pre-war sub machine guns . Everything is just so nicely finished and assembled . Looks a absolute joy to shoot.
In the Beginning, with guns like the Villers Perosa (sp?) the sub machine gun was literally a sub machine gun. It was crew served and used the same way MGs were used except at short range. I suspect the monopod is a holdover from this idea of what an SMG was. Modern SMGs basically became full auto pistols or carbines, so no need for bipods/monopods and the amount that people were prepared to spend on them also dropped.
It's also interesting that this has a double feed double stack magazine, when later guns like the MP40 and Sten would have benefitted greatly from this, but for some reason evolved backwards to double stack single feed.
I'm not quite convinced.
Considering the obvious heritage to the MP18, which was most certainly not a crew-served weapon, it's more likely just a way to extend the effective range of the weapon and not a carryover from the Villar Perosa, which didn't inspire any similar interwar designs.
such a cool gun, happy to see it is as wonderful to use as it looks and that the monopod isn't completely useless
Seeing the alternating top and bottom cartridges in the slo-mo was really satisfying.
seeing ian's hand go to a nonexistent grip under the stock is a testament to how modern front grips really feel
Around 0:32 onwards for those also looking for it.
Interwar SMGs certainly has their own charms. I really wish that we got more creative contents from this period like movies, books, or video games. A historical-based fictional or inspired twist would be welcome as well.
Tanya the Evil is an alternative history World war that takes place in the interwar period rather than ww1 and ww2 it’s got a lot of neat guns in it
Indiana Jones comes to mind as something using the setting, but a lot of material from the time tends to be film noirs, murder mysteries, American mob films, etc - People were pretty sick of war-related media at that point, understandably.
I'd love to read a novel set in the interwar period in the newly-founded Soviet Union. I've read so much nonfiction about it.
@@harryjoe860 And that anime is still more historically correct than the US version and related. ;)
Thanks for the Mag Dump, Ian, the VMP 1930 is an amazing SMG.
That's much smoother than I would have anticipated. It also has a lower rate of fire. That sounds like it's about 700 rounds per minute at the most... more like 650.
Noticed the open feed magazine. A design feature, that was over looked by many. Still, a weapon indeed forgotten and under appriciated, during a time when such things were taken for granted. Well done, sir!
What is an open feed magazine?
@@dwaneanderson8039 I think he means double stack, double feed. One can just press the cartridges in it from the top, without sliding them under the feed lips. Very convenient, but requires the gun to have a feed ramp that can handle cartridges coming in two angles.
That mag dump at the end was so satisfying to watch.
I can't help but wonder if the barrel, long-range sight and monopod were attempts to get around subgun restrictions.
This is a repost of a comment I made above because this is my theory...
In the Beginning, with guns like the Villers Perosa (sp?) the sub machine gun was literally a sub machine gun. It was crew served and used the same way MGs were used except at short range. I suspect the monopod is a holdover from this idea of what an SMG was. Modern SMGs basically became full auto pistols or carbines, so no need for bipods/monopods and the amount that people were prepared to spend on them also dropped.
@@minuteman4199 There was only like 2 designs similar this idea, the other being a pair of roth pistols clamped to a tripod; neither of these were produced in any substantial quantities. The MP-18, Beretta M1918, and the Thompson (though after the war) were produced in much larger quantities, along with a number of stocked machine pistols. None of these had any sort of "ground support device". Also the villar perosa was designed to be used in an aircraft, and saw almost no ground service, so I don't think this theory holds water.
@@minuteman4199 Good points! When I first saw the V-P referred to as the first 'submachine gun', my mind had a hard time making the leap to the compact bullet hoses we all know and love.
@@dothwalrus370 you're right, somewhat. Although several experimental and small scale production firearms existed before the VMP, such as the Villar perosa or STA 1922, none were particularly successful. The idea of a bipod fitted smg being used as a stand in lsw at close range was an idea tried by multiple countries, with the idea even being adopted in a few. The US played around with the idea of a heavy barrel, bipod fitted Thompson but ultimately decided against adopting it. The soviets played around with the idea. The Czechs and Japanese would both adopt similar guns, with the ZK383 and Type 100 respectively, with the ZK383 even having a quick change barrel if I remember correctly and being able to use larger capacity magazines.
Guess that rather emphatically answered the question I'd been asking myself, but not asked in a comment yet. "Does the monopod also work as a foregrip?"
And the answer clearly is "yes, very yes"
Almost everything I watch on UA-cam I watch at double speed...except for Ian at the range. The Brrrrrrp, brrrrrrp needs to be heard at the correct cyclic rate.
Somehow that's exactly what I expected this gun to sound like
Even if this video had no audio component, you can just see how smooth this thing is. What a gem.
Love these Cadillac interwar guns. Smooth with all the features. All dakka no fuss.
This SMG is so wonderful and retro-futuristic looking!!
I love the “Snik, click” sound of precision construction 3:47
That has to be the most gorgeous SMG I've ever seen, especially due to it's sheer age! The trigger is my favorite part, I would LOVE to shoot this! It's cool how you can still easily get off single shots in full auto, so basically set it and forget it.
Just beautiful.
Weird thing with YT: I may watch any 30-minute long video on some bloke building a shack in full 4k with no issues, the moment I hit a guntuber video quality drops automatically to 480p or a lagging 720p. Weird thing indeed, folks.
Wow! I thought it looked interesting from your last video, but that performance was beautiful! What a neat piece! 😍
Ian, I was hoping you would be taking this to the Range. How sweet is that? It's amazing that is wasn't adopted right away by the Germans.
Probably because it's hella expensive.
Interwar they didn't have the rights to major rearmament - army limited to 100 000, about the size of the Arizona National Guard 😂 - and then they did have the money. So i imagine these were built for the hunting brigade.
Ian reviewing this pre WW2 SMG’s is really like him reviewing super fine whiskey, “this has been an absolute treat to sip on”
Yep, this is one of my top 5 all time favorite SMG's that I've seen you use at the range! Thanks for sharing Ian
I love all these WWII type weapons and seeing how they run and that one ran perfectly not jam one
Despite the sharp seam between stock and foregrip, and the front heavy horizontally fed magazine, the disproportionately long barrel has this gun pose an impressive aesthetic!
Someone is going to be very happy in a couple of weeks. Congratulations in advance to whoever buys it.
Someone rich
Imagine if there was a version of PPSh made to same quality standard and in similar configuration to this gun?
Context: PPSh-41 uses high velocity ammo and has a barrel length below the optimal for said ammo type so a certain portion of energy is just wasted, not to mention the RoF is also lowered a bit. A better assembled gun for same ammo with optimal barrel length and with that configuration that aims for best balance of the gun would be easily counted as a carbine(for WWII times) despite pistol ammo.
When I saw it taken apart on the table top, I figured it'd be a sewing machine, given the fine finishing and obvious care to the parts manufacturing. Beautiful piece.
Can never really find much information on interwar submachine guns, really cool to see this
An absolute treasure of an MP, cheers for the shooting vid Gun Jesus.....
Cool smg. I think that last mag dump put every shot in the same spot.
Truly an elegant gun.
Always love seeing these old guns get actual some shooting in, not just some repros. :D
What a beautiful backyard plinker... or field clearing device!
Thank you Ian, for showing me my new favorite inter-war SMG.
I appreciate the dedication to the consistent intros, even though I personally have never watched a video from the actual forgotten weapons website. Shame on me
The monopod looks like it turns the gun into a Villa Perosi type machine gun.
Going from how stable it was this would probably be my least favorite submachine gun to get shot at by.
That was very surprising; the muzzle was remarkably stable in full auto mode. I suspect that the thick and heavily tapering fluted barrel may be acting as a counter weight? It is a very long gun, looking more carbine length than machine pistol like.
Lovely thing and as ever so pleasantly presented. Again though we had no footage of the impact of target area. In particular where large calibre and unusual items are being demonstrated SURELY this would be a feature enhancing viewer interest.
Still that was great and I am grateful 🙏
Another great video as always Ian,thank you for providing us with so much insight.
Quite a unique looking gun. Like distinctive look it has I mean. Thanks for the vid Ian.
Incredibly stable-in-action piece! Much surprised though... THX, Ian !
So smooth, a pleasure to watch.
I knew we were in for a treat when the monopod came out and stopped with a buttery smooth "snick" sound. The grip keeps your hand and arm positioned for optimum control, much like on the M4 of today (but with far better lines and aesthetics than the clumsy clunky M4).
Looks smooth as butter
That bolt moves like it's made of silk.
For me in northwest Indiana, it too is cold and windy. Being near Lake Michigan tends to do that.
That is so smoooth! What a fantastic piece of kit!
Lovely snappy sound.
Looks smooth as silk
Awesome smg thanks, I’d be curious to see the grouping
Looks a treat to shoot! It was a treat just watching.
I love antique guns, and as always I find another I haven't heard of before. Also it seems to suffer the same problem as all other firearms. The mag inevitably runs dry
It is amazing how many countries came up with some variation of the open bolt, direct blowback, tube receiver, 9mm, sub gun.
I just watched your video on the VMP 1930 like 29 minutes Ago
What a lovely SMG.
Wow during that mag dump the muzzle barely moved.
That is such a high quality piece and a very sweet shooter.
This is better than cartoons in the morning. Thanks Ian, awesome video!
There was NO muzzle climb in the last run! Thanks for sharing this Ian.
And just keep me interested in more full auto guns and we’ll someday get to the FN Minimi episode with its super overlooked but super interesting background history with the SAW trials and with the Minimi’s competitors; the Colt XM106, HK XM262, Rodman XM235, etc. and the proposed 6 mm SAW cartridge, and the obvious questionable reliability when using magazines with the Minimi.
Technically one is supposed to adjust the gas regulator when switching to mags. Oddly enough no one seems to have time for such fiddliness when being fired upon.
@@cross3052
Pity that couldn't have been engineered into the system.
Mag click...(click being physical change lever automatically activated) gas regulator reset.
Mag out click....as above.
If automatic this would keep the gas regulator "exercised'....
New contender for Ian's Top 5 favourite SMGs?
Looks like it's firing blanks, for all the recoil movement.
How did this design not become massively popular? I'm sure militias and militant groups around the world would fall in love with this thing!
That seems nice to shoot! Reminds me of the MP5!
Good call! 👍
I imagine this is what the Sten would have looked like if H&K had been asked to revamp it :)
Somehow the barrel appears to be extra long on this gun
Looks quite nice, I must say
The barrel seems to be a standard longish SMG barrel length, but the breech is located way front, and there's a mile of receiver behind it.
Thanks for the video! Awesome firearm
that fluted barrel is really neat
The crisp CRACK of that gun firing on top of the cold weather clothing...I'm not even there, and I feel chilly for some reason. Brr.
Guns like this are a perfect context side by side with say an M3 Grease Gun. It works, sure, and it's economical to manufacture, but as long as it shoots, how bad could it be? An absolutely beautiful, smooth, finely crafted gun like this makes the hate for the wartime weapons, especially LATE war, much more understandable. I'd be pretty annoyed getting issued some stamped...THING welded together that shoots bullets versus something like this. Guns like this inspire equal admiration as they do confidence.
(Second posting; I deleted the first one once I realized I typed "M1" rather than M3 like a goof.)
Wow i can see how silky smooth that action is
great gun i remember back in the 80s a silenced barrel (yes silenced fight me lol) for the emp turned up on a rubbish heap in britain theyve both goofy looking guns but seem to run beautifully
It's very fun to watch the cartridge columns alternate in the double feed mag during the slo-mo sections of video.
Looks darned long for a subgun, though.
Beautiful piece of machinery.
Grip Pod™1930 looks great
Wow. I can tell it is easy to control. That is a beauty.
I never get bored of your channel. I hope they keep making firearms, so that you can keep making videos about them 😁
I think it would be cool if you did a compilation of all the mag dumps for 2022/23
You’ve got a great show Ian 🐸🍺🔪🔥
Ian talking about it being cold and windy, lol. Meanwhile, here in Northern Michigan, it's below freezing amd we have 5" of fresh snow.
As a gun that came after world war 1 trench warfare I can understand the monopod. This could be easily moved around and provide good defensive firepower against storming troops. Would help to hold an enemy trench that was just captured
Yeah, Four-Second Song of Joy at the end! 04:04
This recoil is so beautiful
Wow, it's like a Sten that went to a cosmetic surgeon for a complete makeover.