The Erma EMP at the Range
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Having taken a close look at this original Erma EMP submachine gun yesterday, we are out at the range with it today. Like several of the interwar SMGs, the Erma was designed with a magazine well long enough to accommodate 9mm Steyr (9x23mm) ammunition, and it was offered in several different calibers. The 9mm Parabellum magazines have a spacer at the rear to hold the rounds forward for proper feeding.
In addition to Erma production, the EMP was copied by the Spanish La Coruña arsenal in the 1940s. Spanish magazines are readily available, and I am curious to see if they will work in a German EMP...
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Middle of firefight:
Where is my cover fire!?!
Ian; Well, that's a neat and unusual malfunction
Worst. Firefight. EVER!
Middle of firefight:
Ian "Let's try a a Spanish magazine in this thing."
2:30
2:40
2:56
3:16
Only Ian can get away with the line: "That's a NEAT, and unusual malfunction" 😜👍😊👍
Better then a wardrobe malfunction
The fact the Spanish mags wouldn't fire in the German EMP does support Ian's repeated mantra of how the magazine is one of if not the most important part to get right for a submachine gun. It might look right, it might even fit mostly right, but that subtle difference in the space and the feed lips makes all the difference.
Goodness me, is it tommorow already? How time flies!
Welcome!
I know right! 2020 is weird lol
Yes, yes it is!
When you're having fun!!
The future is now, old man!
Well, to be fair, a lot of people don't recognize the German Inter-war SMGs, because they weren't supposed to make them. So, there was a bit of secrecy around them at the time. A lot of them were "Swiss" or "Austrian" SMGs, just to keep things secret.
Well, they WERE Swiss and Austrian, just made by an entirely German group of designers. I swear they totally didn’t break the Versailles treaty.
Keeping things in secret a la Bob Ross ☺️😹, "shhhh..... Let's keep this a secret 😉."
Welcome to the world of Tomorrow!!!!
YEAH ! :D
This is the weapon of Sky Captain and the world of Tomorrow!
"Why do you always have to say it that way...?"
@@nemilyk "A little something called showmanship."
@@H_412 "Shut up, Terry..."
"Distinctive for its funky, vertical, wooden front grip"
Fedorov: Am I a joke to you?
Otherwise known as the "Dong grip"
you have problem with romanian dong?
@Glühfunke romanian dong is best dong.
Iain somewhere in a Central American jungle. "We hit nothing!"
Spanish magazine replies, "I ain't got time to feed!"
Nice video, do like that style of submachinegun, the Sterling Lanchester with its brass magazine housing being my favourite.
Sorry to correct you, but the Lanchester has nothing to do with the Sterling. It's a copy from the MP28, made slightly before WW2. The Sterling came after the STEN, which was a simplification of the Lanchester.
@@davidresetarits5616 Yes I know its basically a copy of the MP28.
Designed by George Lanchester and manufactured by The Sterling Engineering Company Ltd. Sterling was an arms manufacturer based in Dagenham, famous for manufacturing the L2A3 (the 'Sterling submachine gun'), ArmaLite AR-18 and Sterling SAR-87 assault rifles and parts of Jaguar cars. The company went bankrupt in 1988.
During World War II, engineers George Lanchester and George William Patchett oversaw the manufacture of the Lanchester submachine gun. Patchett afterwards went on to design the Patchett machine carbine which, after a competitive trial in 1947, was adopted by the British Army in 1953 as the L2A1 Sterling sub-machine gun, replacing the Sten gun. The weapon was later upgraded to the L2A3, the Sterling Mk IV.
So refered to as the Sterling Lanchester.
Predator reference?
@@artmallory970 Haha, yup, was laughing when he pointed out that he didn't hit the bowling pins and earlier about the magazine feed problems.
I'm gunna have me some fun... I'm gunna have me some fun!!!
Imagine if you will, a link on a UA-cam video that transports you 24 hours into the future...... nice
@Romal Sawma And then imagine seeing the date on the video, which was put up almost a month ago ;) Mind BLOWN! :D
I somehow missed the link
@@63Hayden Well you're here now, and that's all that matters :)
I love when he puts the link in early for the quick eyed and quicker handed
His patreon members get to see his video upwards of 30 days before it posted for us to see. It has happened in the past were a link or the video is posted early.
Ian throwing out those gangster moves with the magazine at 1:36 Well done, sir!
I was going to comment on it too. Nice casual relaxed juggle. :D
Ian is so wholesome that I actually feel kind of dirty watching this the day before I'm "allowed"
What?
@@joeboom0697 I know what he is talking about now
@@theultimateshadowgunmercen751 what is he talking about then
@@joeboom0697 he has joined forgotten weapons so he gets to watch it early
@@joeboom0697 he "time traveled" so he watched it before everyone else
"Neat and unusual malfunction" Is this Ian's version of "Happy little accidents"?
All well, i will watch it tomorrow again.
"Hello, I'd like some ammunition."
"Certainly sir. What calibre?"
"C-Sharp and D-Flat Major please?"
Not sure if intentional but C sharp and D flat are one and the same. xD Just two different ways of calling the note.
@@E5rael .223 and 5.56 then
@@E5rael Well it's always polite to give your ammunition supplier options, as @Christopher has perfectly demonstrated... :-)
@@thesturm8686 Perfect reply :-)
@@E5rael C# and Db aren't one and the same - they are just enharmonic.
If you have a C-major scale, it would be possible to flat the second note to get C-major-b9, yet nobody would call this note C#.
What an amazing shooter, to be able to aim between the pins, without hitting any.
Right at the end of the presentation video when Ian said he´s going to shoot the Erma tomorrow I only saw the end card for a second because I clicked on a different video an was like: "Wait a minute I need to see that again". Seems like I found a time machine...
Did the exact same thing 🤣🤣
@@viperscot1 me too
All of us that are here are absolutely crazily magnificantly big brain. Our genius can not be comprehended
outstanding move
Absolutely!
Indeed
Bigly
Yes Russia brain da
Who is the one disliker? Like, who got to the end of the educational video, liked it enough to click the link to tomorrow and watch the fun shooting video, and then just think "no, I didn't like that."?
Time cops
It's the hat. 😝
Someone who wanted to shoot it.
The simplest explanation is the most likely. Probably a mis-click.
It may well be along the lines of what I do when I get a video I don't want in my recommends - I mark it as 'Don't like' in both my feed and on the video. I have a never ending fight against certain types of channels appearing in my feed and flipping across to them and marking 'Dislike' without watching them is an extra way to clue 'The Algorithm' in to the fact that you don't want them in your feed.
Alternatively it may be a fan of FW who wants to clue Ian on to the fact that they don't like Range videos. I must admit that I'm more into the cool mechanics and history than the actual shooting, not everybody like the range shoots and using the Like/Dislike mechanism is one way to communicate this to Ian.
Too bad Ian didn't read out the lottery numbers.
tomorrow today
But how?
Edc-202 for people using the yt app, this video was linked at the end of the previous video about the mechanical workings of the EMP ( so it could be watched before it was scheduled to release ).
Also, thank you Gun Jesus for demonstrating us the difference between the good and bad ammunition by the consistencies in the sound when firing.
Oh no! At the end of this video, there's a link back to the review of this gun. I'm stuck in an endless loop! :P
You employ total reality in your work and analysis and that is a learning, thank you. And keep up in good spirit.
I like time-travelling with Ian!
Secret FW clubhouse.
Ian is well qualified to serve the drinks at such a clubhouse.
I feel so important being here
I was looking for erma shooting footage in youtube yesterday and didn't find any but today i finally found one that actually shoots thanks Ian
That ending was great... even in a shooting video you get some fun educational tidbits. Keep doing what you do 👍
The enthusiasm for firearms is genuine from start to finish.
The ending sure was fascinating!
Hi, Ian. I am happy to see you shooting the gun I saw yesterday, which I liked. Now that I have seen it shot, I like it more. The balance seems very nice. Neither too much recoil nor barrel rise.
I still like the woodwork, including the funky forward grip. I wonder if there is a workaround for the magazine that jams. That is a pity. I see this as just a fun gun to shoot. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy! Peace! Love! Charity! PS. The new ammo works great!
well we are blessed
Love the audio signature bit. Interesting.
This was whole lotta gun and history with operating mag feeds and ammunition' selection advisement.. In less than 10 minutes ! Excellent! 🤘
Time travelers represent!
Hokie time travellers represent! What up?
Present at tomorrow today.😜
why
@@justarandomtechpriest1578 Why not?
Taistelukalkkuna, it's great to see you! I believe the last time was at that party Stephen Hawking hosted?
"interesting malfunction" does a cool lil flip throw of the mag. That was pretty slick Ian
Another excellent video from Ian! He never disappoints!
Great video as always keep up the good work
That little tidbit at the end is part of what makes FW so much fun
I watched this bonus vid yesterday, and now I'm all disappointed that I don't get a brand new video today. :)
Thank you , Ian .
I heard the ammunition "sputter" with the final burst in the mag (6:35) and I was surprised you didn't mention anything. Only to have the end of the video perfectly explain it, love you gun jesus!
Did I just travel forward in time? Was supposed to be tomorrows video ;D
Thought I was having a "senior moment" there, till I read the comments and realised it was a time travel thing...
Everybody bragging about watching this a day early forgot one thing.
It's now today, I have a *new* Forgotten Weapons video to watch, and they do not.
If you look at around 1:08 Ian rolls the gun to the right a bit while talking and you can see then hear a loaded cartridge fall out of the ejection port. A spent casing wouldn't make a thud when it hits the ground. That may be what caused the first malfunction.
Love ur description. Lazy and urgent. New way of describing fire rate.
Honestly one of my favorite guns ever
What a great lesson at the end!
You would never be able to discern that firing semi!
Ian never fails with the satisfying mag dump at the end.
this video was incredible i had a good laugh "that's a neat and unusual malfunction" that's the first time i've ever heard that line lol this gun looks super fun to shoot i love the ppsh looking guns, the sound is awesome, also super interesting about the ammo sound i never would have noticed that
The Ending was spectacular.
Ammo does make a difference!! Thanks Ian!!
That cool little mag flip when he clears the malfunction...
7:31 and 8:40 if you want to listen to the different quality of ammunition sounds.
It's nice to know that "porpoise" will be a verb in the future.
Sorry to tell you bud, but porpoise is already a verb too
TIL Porpoise IS actually a verb in English. Adding that one to the lexicon!
Found you in the website days and stayed because your a lefty. And you cater the goofy right handers because of your love of the history. And I thank you.
Its the way he does it. Respectable gunnut :D
I was waiting for this, I have never seen this smg at the range.
Hi Ian, in fact, the Coruña 1941/44 had a model in 9pb, the magazines has got the spacer, and look so similar to this Erma EMP magazine. If you can fit a standard Spanish 9L, these in 9pb easily too
the experiment with the Spanish mag reminds me of when I tried to convert my yugo tokarev to 9mm using parts from various takes on the 9mm tokarev. I could probably get it to fire but it would definitely jam on the next round due to using 7.62 mags that don't feed right.
1:10 that heartbroken "nooo" was gold
Watching Ian fumble around with a firearm on occasion, and with him being the firearms expert that he undeniably is, makes me feel better when I fumble around with one of my firearms. Thank you, Ian, You are a saint.
uploaded on 16 of september so im guessing you have a ton fo content for us coming in the future, i hope i get to see more spanish guns
All of these sub guns with proper wooden stocks are some of the greatest things. Light and pointy, easy to hold and use. As long as they feed and fire reliably it's hard to find a bad one.
The furniture on that carbine is beautiful👍
Just got my Elbonia t-shirt. Looks great, thanks
Its always fun to get here before the true upload.
You the man Ian!
Random gun factory: How the hell should we convince people that they shouldn’t grip the magazine of side-mag guns?
Erma: Observe.
Yes, it looks practical, functional, and for some reason aesthetically displeasing in it's offset position.
great gun , great video
Really got me at the end there. I was walking away from my computer and everything.
Not a one, but still fun to do. Lol! I bet that was one heck of a fun time. Jealous of your access to firearms and appreciative of your knowledge.
The ad that usually ends the video played BEFORE Ian's PSA.
I feel tricked, betrayed, and quite possibly bamboozled.
Meh. A trick AND a treat in the run-up to Halloween !
Excellent
Really fun vid!
I have the same Mag lip problem using Owen mags in an Uzi...the Owen's angled feed differs from Uzi straight feed, so mag lips need modification
NOT mentioning removal of rear ejector tooth on Owen Mag, and mag stop, and millingnew Mag latch hole of
Why is an educational video like this demonetized? This channel is great.
Shoots very well for a gun more than a century old.
Low recoil, very much straight back into the shoulder - highly controlible.
It would be neat to do a video on the development og German SMGs between the wars like you did with British SMGs.
Ian belongs to a rare kind of persons that absolutely nobody can dislike
Just a little more rearward bolt travel, slightly stronger recoil spring, or slightly weaker ammo might keep that bolt from making contact at the rear. Looks nice.
I always remember this SMG from the movie "Papillon", the French troops marching the prisoners at the beginning were armed with these, walking backwards. It also seemed to be a favorite of the most unsavory elements of German security troops, SS police, etc.
great video cool gun
1:07 "I'm freeeeeee!"
The extra work to make that integral wooden front grip is a nice nod to ergonomics by the engineers who had to actually figure out the milling machine.
Came for the gun, left with ammo knowledge. Awesome
It's really easy to see how sub guns were such a game changer in the war
At 1.13 you were saying about the empty cartridge being held by the ejector, but at 1.08 when you have paused firing and you rotated the gun right an empty cartridge fell out possibly indicating what was about to happen.
I'm always extra fascinated when you make videos about weapons of Thuringian manufacturers, cause I'm a native Bratwurst.
Now that's a true firearms expert, describing the cyclic rate as brum, brumm, brumm, brum, brum. I hope you don't mind if I use that technical jargon myself some day :)
Oh! Thats nice!
I see sparks from the round at 5:10 .
I dont know what else to say but that looks cool
Hola Ian , para que te valiese para el ERMA original , deberias usar los del ERMA Valenciano , puesto que el fabricado en Valencia durante la guerra civil Española , lo era en calibre 9mm Parabellum , luego al comenzar la fabricacion del subfusil Coruña , se utilizaron muchas piezas del ERMA Valenciano, incluso los cargadores a los que se les estampo una chapa para hacer el hueco mas grande y asi que valieran para el 9mm Largo , el cargador que tenias del Coruña , no suele valer para el ERMA , las dimensiones del brocal no son iguales .Saludos desde España
Hello sir, a friend have of mine have a Spanish erma we have difficulty to ID. Could you help ?
Very nice
By Sigmar! Shooting an EMP without german headgear.
Yep, link from prev vid led me here
“Click...well that’s not a good start” Would not want to say that in a war!
Ian, once again, shows how to shoot a sub gun on full auto. Controlled two or three round bursts.
Over 2,000 views and it isn't even posted yet!