Ian's kinda quietened voice here makes me imagine that he was invited to tour Sako's facilities, but then he disappeared from the tour, got into the collection, and started filming haha
I have this headcannon that Ian has became something akin to a gun fairy that gunsmiths and engineers of good heart call upon to inspect and suggest improvements on their designs or bless their workshops. All one needs to do in order to summon him is to light some candles, offer some Roth-Steyr pistols and chant CHASSEPOT three times in rhythm
Not surprised a guy formerly in the military would want to bypass the mess of any armed forces development cycle and try to catch the eye of the politician/bureaucracy.
@@demonprinces17 Yes- but that wasn’t the whole story. Curtis LeMay was in a position to adopt it for the Air Force as what would amount to a sentry rifle, but it would never have made it past Ordnance for general adoption. Waiting in the wings, however, was Robert MacNamara as Sec Def, who was very impatient with the Armed Forces bureaucracy, and he decided that the AR was good and got behind it.
Carl Pelo worked with Tikka and State rifle factories (VKT) during the interwar period and was well aware of the hardship of getting anything even considered by the army. Earliest known semiautomatic prototypes designed by Pelo and produced by tikka as far as I'm aware are from late 1920s, so pulling stunts to get seen after 30years of developing a rifle that nobody is willing to check out must be frustrating.
@@pyrobob5724 Tiny people with little guns Little armies march to little drums What do they want? What do they want? Tiny soldiers with little guns Little tanks, no bigger than your thumb They want you
@@spazzypengin I actually once tried out the duolingo out of curiosity and boredom and went to test Finnish and I disagreed with the stuff there a lot. For me it seemed like it was made by someone who had learned Finnish but never spoken it.
Sadly(?) it had failed to succeed in its own time frame and by the time question had arisen again, finns were already developing their own AK based rifle.
One wonders if it could have been developed as a semi-auto sporting rifle, similar to the H&K 770.Sako have such a good reputation for quality, that there the expense of manufacture would not have been as critical. Its design would mean that there was no gas fouling to deal with as on a gas powered auto loader. Its profile and appearance are far more sporting than military.
A lot of the military problems with a recoil-operated rifle are to do with the bayonet, so a sporting rifle would have more chance. Thing is, John Browning and Remington (and FN) had already done that back in 1905 with what became the Model 8. Which sold quite a lot of rifles for a sporting semi-auto.
@@jannehansen-haug3375 it is accurate enough, but it definitely wouldnt be a precision rifle. Almost all of the most popular handguns today are some sort of short recoil, often with a tipping barrel, and they can be made to be more accurate than you would think possible.
@@jameskazd9951 I suspect it could have been made more accurate than the average ability of most hunters. The standard accuracy/sighting test for UK deer stalkers and their rifle(s), is three shots in a 4 inch/10cm circle at 200 metres prone and I would think that would be well within the capabilities of such a rifle. My choice would have been to have it in either 6.5 x 55 Swedish or 0.270".
@@jannehansen-haug3375 I've read a modern review and test of a vintage Remington Model 8, which concluded that it was no worse than a lot of bolt and lever-action sporting rifles. And the Johnson military rifle used by the Dutch and the USMC certainly had an acceptable reputation. Ian made a shooting video of the Remington Model 8, too: ua-cam.com/video/XsQXksP-YhI/v-deo.html A sporting model of the Pelo rifle could have been acceptable.
I wonder if Ian had the chance to take a look at the 7.62x39 AR-10 offered for Finland in the late 50s. The Finnish military museum has done a good job of protecting it from the public eye for half a century.
@@thesmallestminorityisthein4045 In the sense that it's an AR that fires 7.62x39. It had proprietary magazines, a folding charging handle and so on. One can find a picture online.
@@noremorsewoodworking2258 leave a sailor in solitary confinement with an anvil for a weekend, and that anvil will end up missing, broken, or pregnant.
Probably spoke Swedish as his native tongue though, and moved to Sweden before World War 2. Year 1940 he offered his weapon designs to Swedish (Eskilstuna) and Norwegian (Kongsberg) factories, but without success. When Swedish Armed Forces tested semi-automatic rifles year 1941 also his prototypes were among those tested, but lost to Ljungman design, which became automatgevär m/42 (automatic rifle m/42) of Swedish Army. In these Swedish tests the main handicap of Pelo's design seem to have been manufacturing costs, which were considered too high.
Having worked with many foreign militaries-and foreign military weapons-over the years, what I find most astonishing is your ability to do D&A on them so smoothly.
Interesting to see a Lee Enfield 303 mag adapted to 7.62x54R, as the SVT-40 mag was adapted to use 303 with the Globe "Mohawk" 303 semi auto SVT conversion.
The cartridges are actually slightly different in spec, not just the nomenclature. As a general rule, you can shoot 54R through a 53R chamber if it locks without resistance, but in general it's not recommended. And obviously, you can shoot 53R through any 54R gun.
@@dimapez That might be the case, I was referring to the fact that since 53R is slightly smaller it will not have problems in 54R barrels and chambers. I do wonder if that extraction problem could be mitigated by just adjusting the gas on the PKM. However, not like it's ever going to be an issue since 53R is only really made and issued for the TKIV85 as high quality sniper ammunition.
The 7.62x53R has a 7.85mm bullet diameter (compared to 7.92mm for 7.62x54R),53.5mm case length (compared to 53.72mm), 14.4mm rim diamater (compared to 14.48mm), and 77mm overall length (compared to 77.16mm). That difference is usually not enough to matter, though. Unlike some other not-quite-identical cartridges such as .308 Winchester and 7.62x51 or .223 Remington and 5.56x45, 7.62x53R and 7.62x54R also have identical maximum pressure. So a gun that can fire one can almost always fire the other. So why does 7.62x53R even exist? Apparently after becoming independent, Finland switched to smaller diameter (7.82mm) barrels when the original barrels of their Mosin-Nagants started to wear out. Why did they do that instead of replicating the existing bore diameter? No idea. I know they bought a bunch of new barrel blanks from SIG in the early 1920s, so maybe that's just what SIG had in stock at the time.
@@RedXlV Yeah that's my thought as well, they bought barrels or tooling abroad and the way they measured actual caliber was different from what the Russian did. So they just went with the smaller caliber. I think some earlier Finnish Mosins that have not been altered may have slight issues, but the Finns did start to modify their rifles chambers during WW2 to better accommodate 7.62x54R, as they would obviously capture some of this ammunition. Which is why no one really talks about this 7.62x53R thing in the US with Finnish rifles. They will take 54R just fine.
The M82 is meant to reach out and touch someone a mile away, battle rifles of the time needed to be able to stab the dude RIGHT THERE when you were reloading, see also Ian's video on the Johnson rifle and its weird lightweight bayonet when the USMC adopted it.
I've never learned so much about a subject I didn't think I was interested. Thanks Ian. That said, for all its shortcomings, this is a beautiful weapon. The wood is stunning.
another interesting firearm. one suggestion, a small penlight would help illuminate those dim recesses and add nothing to your camera equipment's weight.
Carl Pelo is an interesting figure. He designed bunch of rifles and submachine guns for Finnish Army trials, and at least one of his semiautomatic rifles was trialled by Swedish Army, though they ended up with what eventually became AG 42. As I recall he designed both short and long recoil rifle prototypes. His submachine guns were workable and might have been produced if Finland had not captured PPS 42's which was promptly copied. After the war, he produced interesting fixed-magazine 9mm SMG, which was loaded by 30 round paper clips. The idea was to get around the problem of shortage of detachable magazines which had been very acute during the war.
When I saw the thumbnail I thought "Finnish sks type Thing?" Soon as I heard "Flapper locked thing" I was like "Oooh this will be interesting!" And it was definitely interesting.
Y Sako Forester from the 70s is smoother and as accurate as a modern manufactured rifle and with a better trigger. Sako makes an amazing rifle and should be a top choice for many.
All in all, the Finns made an excellent decision to go with a domestic AK variant. AK was cutting edge technology and cutting edge tactical asset at that time (AR wasn't there and wasn't as refined as today and the battle rifles somehow got replaced by intermediate cartridge weapons in most militaries for good reasons).
The way of construction oozes back to 20's, almost Victorian era. Kari Pelo ? He also designed a sub-machine gun that did not go further than few prototypes, between 1949 - 1951.
Congratulations to Sako! Seriously. Do you have any idea what it takes to create (and then sustain) a profitable enterprise? It's insanely difficult. And it's even more complicated with firearms. I mean, just look at the respective histories of Remington and Colt. They are both widely considered to be historic institutions of gun manufacturing, and even they have just hung on by the skin of their teeth in multiple occasions! But, I digress. Congratulations, again, to everyone involved with keeping Sako afloat for ten decades! And here's to wishing you all at least another century of success! 🍻
Ian does the best job of showing how these things work why are they we’re not likely to ever successfully directly compete with the weapons it ended up being adopted.
I can see that disassembly lever being a problem in the field. I can see it getting bumped to open and someone not noticing it and firing the rifle, getting a surprise bolt to the face.
Yet another semi-auto that I never knew about! Awesome video as always! Please consider a video about the Czech VZ52/57 series of rifles. I'm surprised they haven't been covered here given the age of this channel and it's vast content.
@@Mrboombastic266 Hehe. There wasn't something like Google translate/Urban dictionary back then to help in checking what meaning does product's name translate to in other languages.
Greetings from Finland, great to see these obscure designs showcased on your channel, you are doing so much more than any gun museum i know. Just a small suggestion; Howabout enabling the youtube membership programme? I mean it's cool to get the icon beside your name if you support the channel. You got the abstract framework on levels etc you could transfer directly. And many people do support on both if one has both.
I suspect that if the curators looked around at the oposite side of the room to where the previous dismantler was working in, the main recoil spring might be found...
He heavy machining and robust components just scream expensive and slow to manufacture. Even with one missing spring, the Finns did a great job preserving a beautiful machine.
Perhaps those shortcomings were kept as a military secret? In any case, information from around the world was not quite as readily available as it is today.
Pre-WW2 there were pervasive fears that gas hole bored into barrel would be starting point of barrel erosion. Untill experience showed it is not. That kept many designers (and authorities behind RFPs) away from gas operated guns. Life support for recoil operated guns even in rifle category.
@@kenbrown2808 Surely there is some youtuber who a) has access to a Gatling gun, b) is bored, and c) is clever enough to make it run on springs and gears instead of electric motors or hand cranks. Wind it up, flip the switch to release the brake, and what happens, happens.
Oh no! Defeated by the metric system! Pretty sure he means mm (millimetersl 12-15 cm (centimetres) is about 5-6 inches, which is a lot more cycling than we see in the video.
I think Dale in one of the episodes about the Stgw.57 at Bloke on the Range mentioned that the Swiss military also tried this out but nothing came of it.
Ian's kinda quietened voice here makes me imagine that he was invited to tour Sako's facilities, but then he disappeared from the tour, got into the collection, and started filming haha
Hahahaha yes 😹
I have this headcannon that Ian has became something akin to a gun fairy that gunsmiths and engineers of good heart call upon to inspect and suggest improvements on their designs or bless their workshops. All one needs to do in order to summon him is to light some candles, offer some Roth-Steyr pistols and chant CHASSEPOT three times in rhythm
@@walmorcarvalho2512 also becoming a member of his Patreon wouldn't hurt lol!
He should do that at Winchester mystery house
Either that, or he's nursing the mother of all hangovers.
No loud speaking at the Sako factory, noted
Or maybe little too much gin the day before 😅
Give him some slack, hes drinking all the gin and fondling every historical firearm we can offer, must Be tiring
I think he had to film at a location with significant echo.... Or just no loud speaking at the Sako factory...
He was in the library of the sako factory
good timing, my parents were sleeping next room
Now *that* is a forgotten weapon - just like the Ahlberg, had no idea this existed.
some of weapon arn´t even forgotten. to be forgotten. I don´t think many know they existed.
Trials guns are like that. So obscure that they don’t even make the lists on Wikipedia
@@Trashcansam123 Well, yes and no. Jatimatic never "made it" either, but it is extremely notorious here in Finland.
@Samson Holdsworth 2016 called and it wants its punch line back.
@Google Ghey Umm - I don't know, I don't remember. Something as relevant as "what are those?!?" or something.
"I've got a couple of those."
- Fireplace guy
I dunno man, he only seems to do pistols.
Not surprised a guy formerly in the military would want to bypass the mess of any armed forces development cycle and try to catch the eye of the politician/bureaucracy.
Isn't that how the ar/m 16 get sold to the air force
@@demonprinces17 Eugene Stoner showed up to a Airforce brass BBQ. He impressed them by shooting watermelons
@@demonprinces17 Yes- but that wasn’t the whole story. Curtis LeMay was in a position to adopt it for the Air Force as what would amount to a sentry rifle, but it would never have made it past Ordnance for general adoption. Waiting in the wings, however, was Robert MacNamara as Sec Def, who was very impatient with the Armed Forces bureaucracy, and he decided that the AR was good and got behind it.
Carl Pelo worked with Tikka and State rifle factories (VKT) during the interwar period and was well aware of the hardship of getting anything even considered by the army. Earliest known semiautomatic prototypes designed by Pelo and produced by tikka as far as I'm aware are from late 1920s, so pulling stunts to get seen after 30years of developing a rifle that nobody is willing to check out must be frustrating.
762×54 is a fun cheap round. Why hasn't anyone made this platform again?
I wish we lived in a time, where we could have an Ian McCullum and Bob Ross crossover.
Wouldn't be even that crazy. Bob Ross was in the US state air force for 20 years. He left at the rank of Master Sergeant.
Happy little guns?
@@pyrobob5724 Tiny people with little guns
Little armies march to little drums
What do they want?
What do they want?
Tiny soldiers with little guns
Little tanks, no bigger than your thumb
They want you
Gun Jesus!!!
I'm pulling for Mr. Rogers first. "Each and every firearm is special in its own unique way. Along with the person holding it."
Fun fact about Sako. Name comes from Suojeluskuntain Ase- ja Konepaja Oy, which means Civil Guard Gun and Machining Works Ltd.
I actually prefer Sako.... makes life a lot easier
I have learned enough Finnish on Duolingo that I actually think I know how to pronounce those words!
Thx!
@@spazzypengin I actually once tried out the duolingo out of curiosity and boredom and went to test Finnish and I disagreed with the stuff there a lot. For me it seemed like it was made by someone who had learned Finnish but never spoken it.
Another Finnish firearm I did not even know existed.
Good field security.
One might even accuse it of being a forgotten weapon.
Name of the game
Sadly(?) it had failed to succeed in its own time frame and by the time question had arisen again, finns were already developing their own AK based rifle.
One could even say that in the firearms world it's been forgotten
Nothing better than seeing Ian cover Finnish small arms I wasn't previously even aware of although I'm a Finn.
No perkele
I'm a simple Finn, i see blue-crossed flag, i click.
When is the Fallout: Finland mod coming out?
@@davidweikle9921 🤣🤣🤣👍
Damn burning leftist books
@@Unus_Annus_ Stickers**
Figured out how to sell my plant based "Viagra" through a sketchy email ad campaign. Finnish flag icon link!
One wonders if it could have been developed as a semi-auto sporting rifle, similar to the H&K 770.Sako have such a good reputation for quality, that there the expense of manufacture would not have been as critical. Its design would mean that there was no gas fouling to deal with as on a gas powered auto loader. Its profile and appearance are far more sporting than military.
A lot of the military problems with a recoil-operated rifle are to do with the bayonet, so a sporting rifle would have more chance. Thing is, John Browning and Remington (and FN) had already done that back in 1905 with what became the Model 8. Which sold quite a lot of rifles for a sporting semi-auto.
I guess that a recoil operated rifle might have some accuraty broblems whit its moving barrel
@@jannehansen-haug3375 it is accurate enough, but it definitely wouldnt be a precision rifle. Almost all of the most popular handguns today are some sort of short recoil, often with a tipping barrel, and they can be made to be more accurate than you would think possible.
@@jameskazd9951 I suspect it could have been made more accurate than the average ability of most hunters. The standard accuracy/sighting test for UK deer stalkers and their rifle(s), is three shots in a 4 inch/10cm circle at 200 metres prone and I would think that would be well within the capabilities of such a rifle. My choice would have been to have it in either 6.5 x 55 Swedish or 0.270".
@@jannehansen-haug3375 I've read a modern review and test of a vintage Remington Model 8, which concluded that it was no worse than a lot of bolt and lever-action sporting rifles. And the Johnson military rifle used by the Dutch and the USMC certainly had an acceptable reputation. Ian made a shooting video of the Remington Model 8, too: ua-cam.com/video/XsQXksP-YhI/v-deo.html
A sporting model of the Pelo rifle could have been acceptable.
I wonder if Ian had the chance to take a look at the 7.62x39 AR-10 offered for Finland in the late 50s. The Finnish military museum has done a good job of protecting it from the public eye for half a century.
Like a CMMG Mutant, but old school?
@@thesmallestminorityisthein4045 In the sense that it's an AR that fires 7.62x39. It had proprietary magazines, a folding charging handle and so on. One can find a picture online.
This rifle would not have worked out in the military, its not idiot-proof enough.
Indeed
Same as AK-12
Wouldn't matter how idiot proof they made it. There's always a better idiot somewhere..
@@Tounushi Leave a marine alone in a room with an adult magazine and he'll do irreparable damage to his own d**k
@@noremorsewoodworking2258 leave a sailor in solitary confinement with an anvil for a weekend, and that anvil will end up missing, broken, or pregnant.
This thing has so many parts coming off of it with potential to go missing it's no wonder it wasn't adopted.
Carl Pelo
Perl Calo
Perl cele
Perkele!
Yup, it sure is Finnish!
Perkele means devil 🤣
Sr Pelo
Had this one been adopted, quite a few 'perkele's would have been uttered.
Probably spoke Swedish as his native tongue though, and moved to Sweden before World War 2. Year 1940 he offered his weapon designs to Swedish (Eskilstuna) and Norwegian (Kongsberg) factories, but without success. When Swedish Armed Forces tested semi-automatic rifles year 1941 also his prototypes were among those tested, but lost to Ljungman design, which became automatgevär m/42 (automatic rifle m/42) of Swedish Army. In these Swedish tests the main handicap of Pelo's design seem to have been manufacturing costs, which were considered too high.
Carl Pelo
Kar Palo
Oh wow, I'm really looking forward to the Sako reference collection videos that will follow.
Fantastic video as usual, Ian.
Fun fact mate! There are lot of prototypes and modifications in Sako showroom.
Flamboyant presentations to presidents? Burgess would like a word
Nah, I'm good.
There's a special place in my heart for prototype semiautos.
I feel sorry for Capt. Pelo. He spent his life around one design that was no adopted. :(
Sadly that happens to many firearms designers.
That's one complicated mousetrap you got there, mister.
Oh man, more Finnish firearms. Time to like and comment for engagement.
Agreed! Much like, so engagement.
Having worked with many foreign militaries-and foreign military weapons-over the years, what I find most astonishing is your ability to do D&A on them so smoothly.
Interesting to see a Lee Enfield 303 mag adapted to 7.62x54R, as the SVT-40 mag was adapted to use 303 with the Globe "Mohawk" 303 semi auto SVT conversion.
Sako? I just bought an M39 Mosin that was made there in '44 a few months ago. Fantastically accurate rifle.
"54 rimmed, or 53 rimmed by Finnish terminology"
Some people just have to be different :p
Comrade Ivan says dah is true.
The cartridges are actually slightly different in spec, not just the nomenclature. As a general rule, you can shoot 54R through a 53R chamber if it locks without resistance, but in general it's not recommended. And obviously, you can shoot 53R through any 54R gun.
@@dimapez That might be the case, I was referring to the fact that since 53R is slightly smaller it will not have problems in 54R barrels and chambers.
I do wonder if that extraction problem could be mitigated by just adjusting the gas on the PKM. However, not like it's ever going to be an issue since 53R is only really made and issued for the TKIV85 as high quality sniper ammunition.
The 7.62x53R has a 7.85mm bullet diameter (compared to 7.92mm for 7.62x54R),53.5mm case length (compared to 53.72mm), 14.4mm rim diamater (compared to 14.48mm), and 77mm overall length (compared to 77.16mm). That difference is usually not enough to matter, though. Unlike some other not-quite-identical cartridges such as .308 Winchester and 7.62x51 or .223 Remington and 5.56x45, 7.62x53R and 7.62x54R also have identical maximum pressure. So a gun that can fire one can almost always fire the other.
So why does 7.62x53R even exist? Apparently after becoming independent, Finland switched to smaller diameter (7.82mm) barrels when the original barrels of their Mosin-Nagants started to wear out. Why did they do that instead of replicating the existing bore diameter? No idea. I know they bought a bunch of new barrel blanks from SIG in the early 1920s, so maybe that's just what SIG had in stock at the time.
@@RedXlV Yeah that's my thought as well, they bought barrels or tooling abroad and the way they measured actual caliber was different from what the Russian did. So they just went with the smaller caliber.
I think some earlier Finnish Mosins that have not been altered may have slight issues, but the Finns did start to modify their rifles chambers during WW2 to better accommodate 7.62x54R, as they would obviously capture some of this ammunition. Which is why no one really talks about this 7.62x53R thing in the US with Finnish rifles. They will take 54R just fine.
Ian: Short recoil in military service usually does poorly
Barrett M82: Am I a joke to you?
Key word: usually
The M82 is meant to reach out and touch someone a mile away, battle rifles of the time needed to be able to stab the dude RIGHT THERE when you were reloading, see also Ian's video on the Johnson rifle and its weird lightweight bayonet when the USMC adopted it.
Man portable semiautomatic .50 BMG is a niche case with enough advantage to allow it. No other semiauto x54r that I am aware of used recoil operation.
It feels like there's an uppity librarian just off camera waiting to shush Ian.
Nothing better than a whiff of Finnish gunpowder in the morning ...
Unless you're Russian.
Sounds like Ian snuck into this place
I've never learned so much about a subject I didn't think I was interested. Thanks Ian. That said, for all its shortcomings, this is a beautiful weapon. The wood is stunning.
another interesting firearm. one suggestion, a small penlight would help illuminate those dim recesses and add nothing to your camera equipment's weight.
Yes, a penlight and perhaps one of Othias's patented plastic pokeys👆
🌈🌈🦄🦄
Carl Pelo is an interesting figure. He designed bunch of rifles and submachine guns for Finnish Army trials, and at least one of his semiautomatic rifles was trialled by Swedish Army, though they ended up with what eventually became AG 42. As I recall he designed both short and long recoil rifle prototypes. His submachine guns were workable and might have been produced if Finland had not captured PPS 42's which was promptly copied.
After the war, he produced interesting fixed-magazine 9mm SMG, which was loaded by 30 round paper clips. The idea was to get around the problem of shortage of detachable magazines which had been very acute during the war.
Looks like M1 Garand and M1 carbine had a baby.
When I saw the thumbnail I thought "Finnish sks type Thing?" Soon as I heard "Flapper locked thing" I was like "Oooh this will be interesting!" And it was definitely interesting.
Thank you , Ian .
Love the historical commentary, really the best part of these videos, well except for the times you get to shoot them :)
Is it weird I that I'm in love with the knurling on the bolt handle?
Y Sako Forester from the 70s is smoother and as accurate as a modern manufactured rifle and with a better trigger. Sako makes an amazing rifle and should be a top choice for many.
Between this trickle of Finnish guns and history and HPC I decided to learn to speak Finnish. Can't get enough!
Ei voi muuta sanoa kun onnea vaan yritykseen.
Ian "Man this thing is full of difficult camera angles", points with finger, "Hi i'm Othias, What you need is a patented plastic pokey finger".
He has used a patented plastic pokey purple hand. I'm guessing he's getting sued for patent infringement.
I hope you got to take a look at a lot of weapons in the Sako museum. I love to see finnish firearms on your channel!
All in all, the Finns made an excellent decision to go with a domestic AK variant. AK was cutting edge technology and cutting edge tactical asset at that time (AR wasn't there and wasn't as refined as today and the battle rifles somehow got replaced by intermediate cartridge weapons in most militaries for good reasons).
The advantage to working night shift is that I can watch Ian's vids right as they publish. Can't wait to see more of this reference collection
The way of construction oozes back to 20's, almost Victorian era.
Kari Pelo ? He also designed a sub-machine gun that did not go further than few prototypes, between 1949 - 1951.
Oh boy do I love Sako rifles. Both the 75 and 85 are excellent series.
What a nice finish it has!
First Sako rifle I've seen that i would never want. A little snow and mud in that and it's a club.
Thanks, Sako. Very interesting 👍🏾
I love whatever that red finish is
Woah, I stayed up all night on the east coast - this is the earliest I’ve been to one of your uploads.
just wanted to say thanks Ian, for everything!
Congratulations to Sako! Seriously. Do you have any idea what it takes to create (and then sustain) a profitable enterprise? It's insanely difficult. And it's even more complicated with firearms. I mean, just look at the respective histories of Remington and Colt. They are both widely considered to be historic institutions of gun manufacturing, and even they have just hung on by the skin of their teeth in multiple occasions! But, I digress. Congratulations, again, to everyone involved with keeping Sako afloat for ten decades! And here's to wishing you all at least another century of success! 🍻
awesome sound quality
Ian's got his Library voice for this one
a very interesting 'forgotten weapon'
Love the quality of the bolt,some nice engineering that
Ian does the best job of showing how these things work why are they we’re not likely to ever successfully directly compete with the weapons it ended up being adopted.
Locking flaps have always been interesting. DP28 and RPD come to immediate mind
I can see that disassembly lever being a problem in the field. I can see it getting bumped to open and someone not noticing it and firing the rifle, getting a surprise bolt to the face.
Yet another semi-auto that I never knew about! Awesome video as always!
Please consider a video about the Czech VZ52/57 series of rifles. I'm surprised they haven't been covered here given the age of this channel and it's vast content.
Ian's voice is particularly calming today. This channel is slowly turning into a gun ASMR channel and i can't complain about that.
Glorious.
Flapperlock precission milled... such a treat.
I just Love how Gun Dude tears into a "Forgotten Weapon"! No Fear, 100% spot on!
Please Never Stop, never Fear!
This is my hometown! Can I get like an autograph or something, or are you gone already , Ian?
Nää on kuvattu finnish brutalityn aikaan joskus talvella.
I hope you eventually come across an AL-43 assault rifle somewhere. Would be really cool to see a video of that
The Pelo rifle would be quite successful in Italy :D
Un "pelo" costoso ma ne vale la pena
@@grrrexky also female genitalia in southern regions lol
@@Mrboombastic266 Hehe. There wasn't something like Google translate/Urban dictionary back then to help in checking what meaning does product's name translate to in other languages.
Well the Italian military doesn't use 7.62x54R that much, so I suppose being a civilian gun would be a good choice for the m54
Great looking rifle
Greetings from Finland, great to see these obscure designs showcased on your channel, you are doing so much more than any gun museum i know.
Just a small suggestion; Howabout enabling the youtube membership programme? I mean it's cool to get the icon beside your name if you support the channel. You got the abstract framework on levels etc you could transfer directly. And many people do support on both if one has both.
Very interesting! Not a forgotten weapon to me s I had never seen it before! 😊 thank you for what you do.
I suspect that if the curators looked around at the oposite side of the room to where the previous dismantler was working in, the main recoil spring might be found...
that's a beautiful use of a lee magazine. I wish someone made a modern rifle in 7.62x54.
Maybe because it was so shiny but that was some beautiful engineering. Especially the bolt assembly.
He heavy machining and robust components just scream expensive and slow to manufacture. Even with one missing spring, the Finns did a great job preserving a beautiful machine.
I am impressed that gun designers kept coming up with short recoil battle rifles after the Johnson M1941 proved the shortcomings of the system.
The Johnson rifle wasn't that bad. The LMG however.
Perhaps those shortcomings were kept as a military secret? In any case, information from around the world was not quite as readily available as it is today.
Pre-WW2 there were pervasive fears that gas hole bored into barrel would be starting point of barrel erosion. Untill experience showed it is not. That kept many designers (and authorities behind RFPs) away from gas operated guns.
Life support for recoil operated guns even in rifle category.
While this was built after WWII, it was designed prewar.
Happy 100th Anniversary SAKO. Guess I missed the vid on the .50" BMG cartridge 100th b-day. Oh, the 0.50" BMG is anything but forgotten.
That's such a nice looking rifle
Ten years ahead of its time when invented and ten years obsolete before it was evaluated.
when you look up flapper lock mechanism, Ian is in most of the images
At first sight I saw a semi-automatic with a Lee box magazine.... right thumb went into click frenzy
I like the fact that Ian respects my culture by speaking with a low voice.
Yay, wierd semi autos, my favorite!
I quite enjoy these videos....
Nice looking prototype :)
Neat ,new to me. Thanks for sharing
That Sako is a nice looking rifle.
Being finnish, love history and weapons about ww2 and after and had no idea about this gun... thank you Ian to teach me again 😄
Looks like it needs more moving parts that have to work for it to cycle.
@@kenbrown2808 Should we let the swiss loose, with their designs, clocks, chocolate, and blokes/chaps on the range?
#togglelock
@@kenbrown2808 STGW 57 is pretty close to that spec.
@@kenbrown2808 Yeah look at their spring solution. If you want more gearwork then go with the WW1 French non-hotchkiss MG. Ian has a video on it.
@@kenbrown2808 Surely there is some youtuber who a) has access to a Gatling gun, b) is bored, and c) is clever enough to make it run on springs and gears instead of electric motors or hand cranks. Wind it up, flip the switch to release the brake, and what happens, happens.
Oh no! Defeated by the metric system! Pretty sure he means mm (millimetersl 12-15 cm (centimetres) is about 5-6 inches, which is a lot more cycling than we see in the video.
Oh my God! All those machining parts...
I hope you get to take a look at Finland’s attempt to make a 7.62x54 MG42.
Handsome rifle.
Looks expensive. Great history lesson. Thanks Boss.
Really cool! Visually it looks like a 'hunting' rifle to me, with the short handguard and such.
ah yes, M1 SKS
I think Dale in one of the episodes about the Stgw.57 at Bloke on the Range mentioned that the Swiss military also tried this out but nothing came of it.
Hello Ian! I love your channel! I haven't been this early in a while
Oh I love the throat R sound in Riihimäki. Commendable effort tho, most wouldnt even try.
Depending on how reliable this gun is, it looks like it would make a great little scout rifle.
The rifle of choice for Sir Pelo
I wish I could buy it and name it “Señor”
And then put a sort of flash hider on it to make it as loud as possible. Put a bipod that slaps the surface underneath somehow.
@@Diabolo481 I scrolled so much to find this comment and it was definetly worth it
@@vroomkaboom108 So did I, friend. So did I.