Case 450 Dozer tips and maintenence
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
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The most direct and no nonsense Case 450 video EVER!!! Thanks for getting right to the point, most videos are like, "Today were gonna do bla, bla, bla, bla, then I'll get on to the bla, bla, bla, and if were lucky we'll talk about bla." You're the man, thanks for not being like them.
Thanks, I try to keep things simple and direct. I made this video for another you tuber because he was having trouble cross referencing filters and figuring out some things on his.
Thanks for the tour. I have a 1976 450 dozer I'm looking to replace the fluids in.
Thanks ! I couldn't find the Primary Filter Element at all, no search would come up a proper size. Upon searching the F961C I immediately recognized it even though mine look like a dilapidated paint roller.
Thank you for making this! I just got one of these dozers and this is exactly what I needed
No problem, I know how much trouble I went through learning mine so figured that I would help some people out. If you have any questions not covered in the video feel free to ask.
I agree with you: the best thing for a new owner to do is to buy the manuals. Spend a little $$$ and don't be a cheapskate by asking other people questions. I have the 450 loader version with the 4-in-1 Drott bucket. My friend and I went thru just about everything when I first serviced the loader: new filters, fluids, brakes, sprockets, chains, etc. Usually the brakes are gone on these machines because former owners/operators think that they are a pedal-steer tractor and they are NOT. The loader version is probably not the best machine to learn how to operate heavy equipment but on the other hand it has been very versatile.
I bid on a loader version a year or so ago at an auction but did not get it. Had the 4 in 1 also. Are you happy with yours? I would rather have a slightly bigger one but if I got another 450 I could change parts around on a machine that I am familiar with.
Here to show my support to your channel SUBdfoureleven. thanks for posting and keep on posting love any gear head channel!
Thanks! I have videos comeing up of me replacing the tracks, I already have the rails and new tensioner on the left side and am now bolting on the new pads..
Thanks I have the same mill in Tennessee and do pretty good with it but would like to do a bigger motor like you are like what your doing keep it up
It might be a day or two yet till I get the video up. I am very busy this week and did not get a chance to film it on Sunday.
Good video! Do you have number for the air cleaner ?
Our case 450b has a forestry mulcher attachment. It will not engage. The light will come on. I push the "down" button and still will not move. I have it on high pressure. Do you think this is just a fuse? Is there a particular fuse or do we check all of them?
Just check them all. I have never seen one with a mulcher
I’m currently looking at buying a 450b tomorrow. It’s having trouble starting plenty of white smoke and turning over well. It was pretty cold the day I messed with it. I’m thinking spraying wd40 into the air intake. My question is the transmission dip stick showed on fluid when the machine wasn’t running. Is there a hose or something that could have lost all the transmission fluid? If I get it fired up without fluid I’m guessing it will not drive up onto the trailer?
I love this little Dozer and I’m looking for one to take to Central America. Where in the USA is a good place to find one that won’t break the bank?
They are fairly common here in PA and probably else-ware. The big thing if you are moving down there I dont know how available parts are so you will want to bring some spare parts or make sure you go over it good before sending it down. The undercarriage is what most people overlook, if you dont know what to look for on it bring someone with that does because that is a bit pricey.
What is the filter on the very back of the 450 dozer and what is the part number
this video is great you know your shit, I learned a lot! I need to know how to repair/rebuild my friction brakes (pedals) can anyone help me out?
I have not gotten into that but I could look through the service manual and send you copies of the pages or email them to you.
O that’s alright just didn’t know if you lost interest or not
Hey, could you possibly do some measurements of the dozer blade side push beams from front to back, the moldboard angle adjustment supports from the the push beam to the top of the dozer blade, and measurements of how tall and how wide the dozer blade itself is? I’m making a 1/72 model of a US Army Case M450 Airborne bulldozer from the Vietnam War and have had trouble locating those measurements online. Thanks!
Sure, give me a day or 2 and I'll get the measurements to you.
endlessmountainwoodworks thank you!!!
I will be going up there on Monday and will get your measurements then if you still need them.
@@endlessmountainwoodworks4278 That would be much appreciated. Thank you!!!
I heard yours was a 1968, so I think you have the same type of track adjuster as me. I've done some research and before S/N 305* there was a snap ring at the rear of the adjuster. Do you have any experience taking that piston out? What I've done so far is move the idler forward and remove the 2 bolts and cylinder tube. The actual piston is still inside rear portion, but it's out of the cylinder tube. Any idea how to get that out of there? I'm fairly new to mechanics in general so any help is appreciated!
I replaced the entire unit so I cant really be of any help to you on that
Have you ever had to replace the hydraulic hoses that run inside the loader arm? One of mine blew, but the thing is caked with mud and the hose isn't budging! Would you happen to have any tricks for this?
Mine does not have a loader arm but I would recommend a pressure washer. That should break up caked on mud pretty well. Hope that helps.
Can you tell me how much oil for an engine oil change? Great stuff btw, thank you.
I dont know off hand but before I started buying the oil in bulk I was buying it in a 2 1/2 gallon jug and that was more than enough. i used 15w40 shell rotella.
We need a update on the sawmill
I will film it today so it will be up tonight or tomorrow.
I've got a case 450 and just lost power to the drive, i havent been able to diagnose the reason why I lost power to the drive. any ideas where i should start?
So I did have that issue but first check the obvious things. Now mine has a weak charge pump for the torque converter so if parked for more than an hour or 2 it looses prime, the remedy to this is when you finally get it primed just keep it parked with the front facing downhill. Make sure that you are fully in either high or low range with the big lever on the floor of the dozer. Make sure there is the correct amount of fluid in the transmission/ torque converter. That is the dipstick under the seat. Then check the in line filter if that looks good. That will be on the side of the engine, (the right side as you are sitting in the seat) You take the 4 bolts out and there is a reusable filter in there, clean with diesel fuel then reinstall. If all that is good there is a good chance that you have the same problem I did. The valve body under the seat contains the 2 steering levers and the forward reverse lever. There are small c clips in the valve that hold the valve spools to the handle. I had a clip break off making it loose power to one track. It is not too hard to take the valve off and inspect it but be careful not to let anything fall into the transmission. If that is all good maybe something stripped out somewhere.
Where's the thermostat located?
You stated you put a radiator on you 450 for 700 ish dollars may i ask where you bought it as i've not been able to find one less than 1500
I went to a radiator repair shop. They put a new core and a new bottom tank on and tested it. The only original part would be the top tank witch they re soldered onto the new core. I dont remember off the top of my head what the shop was but I can find out for you if you are in the area (northeast PA) My advice is just call around to a few radiator shops till you find someone that can do it.
I was hauling logs with my Case 450 A and all of a sudden it started losing power on the tracks and then stopped completely and later when I tried to start it, it started a little and then stopped again, what could be the problem?
Sounds like a fuel issue. Either out of fuel ( I know it sounds stupid but check to make sure the tank is at least 1/3 full if you are on a hill) or the fuel it not getting to or getting past the filters. SO check the sediment bowl at the bottom of the tank, and check that you have fuel at the primary and secondary filters. The filters could be clogged from not being changed in a while or you could have that diesel algae in the system that clogs everything.
@@endlessmountainwoodworks4278 You didn't understand me, the engine works, but there is no drive on the tracks
@@endlessmountainwoodworks4278 I asked a man from whom I bought a bulldozer what the problem was, he said that it was leaking oil in the gearbox, I have had this problem since I was pulling a tree, then I ran into a stump, I went over the stump and since then there have been problems, I noticed later that the stump is greasy with oil, he says that I broke the oil drain plug from the gearbox, I wonder how much oil goes into the gearbox
@@FFW147 oh I get what you are saying now, first check the obvious that there is the correct amount of hydraulic transmission fluid on the dipstick under the seat. Assuming there is the correct amount there start it and first move the forward reverse selector between forward, neutral, and reverse and see if the torque converter pressure gauge moves at all. Then do the same thing for the left and right track testing them one at a time in all 3 positions. Let me know if the torque converter pressure changes at all with any of these tests and I can help you further.
@@FFW147 Just check the fluid level in the transmission / torque converter. The dipstick for that is the one under the seat. I can check in the book to let you know the correct amount of oil if needed. I would be surprised if you managed to break off the drain plug since it is pretty set back and protected
Does your manual have a part number for the pcv breather that goes on top of the valve cover please sir . Can’t find it anywhere
I can look tomorrow but I highly doubt you will find it anywhere. I believe it is standard pipe threads and you should be able to make one with some pipe and fittings. If you dont hear back from me make another comment so i see it and can look that up.
Yes sir Thankyou for your time
What’s the hydraulic suction filter number in the manual to buy a new one at the store!!
The one in the tank is case part number D-33557 the other one (return) is case part number NSS or Baldwin PT290. If I remember correctly the one in the tank is to be cleaned rather than replaced but if you want to replace it anyway you can cross reference the Case part number. Here is a link to the suction filter. You can probably find one cheaper or cross reference it. www.amazon.com/High-Quality-Parts-GENUINE-ELEMENT/dp/B07CHVKBGJ?SubscriptionId=AKIAJJVHEYE2INXM57EA&tag=avspare109-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B07CHVKBGJ
Hope that helps you
How would you recommend I clean out the fuel tank on this dozer? My tank is full of “slime” and needs to be cleaned out completely.
I am at the house now but going off memory there is a small plate that bolts on where the fuel line comes out of the tank. If that is there I would suggest flushing it with diesel and washing it out the bottom. If thats not there you can still do that but would be limited by the size of the fuel line. I will be up to the dozer tomorrow so I can check then if you need me to.
endlessmountainwoodworks there is a plate that is bolted at the bottom of the tank. That plate also has the pet cock. So what you’re saying is, unbolt that plate and try getting something in there to agitate the slime?
So i removed the plate the whole bottom is covered in rust. How would you proceed?
@@justinrobertson1590 I have in the past used Evapo-Rust to remove rust from parts. I would think that you could put that in the tank and let it sit for a day or 2. There are other rust treatments out there that would also work.
The track on the left side looks pretty rough with nearly half a track cleat missing. Is that going to be a problem in the near future?
Yes that can cause it to fall off easyer, new tracks will probably be ordered before June.
endlessmountainwoodworks New tracks can't be cheap.
$1500- $2000 for both sides on this model, most are more expensive.
endlessmountainwoodworks Not terribly expensive, thought they'd be twice that.
Some are, I can get more expensive ones for this but I am going with what it had before, they had 2500 hours on them of working in the woods which is very hard on tracks.
Do you know how many gallons of hydraulic oil it takes for the hydraulics? I just bought an old 450 B and the hydraulics were whining a bit when I lifted the blade. I shut it down and went and got a 2 1/2 gallon jug. Put it in and it still didn't get to what appears to be the dipstick on the top right hand side if you are sitting on dozer.
Yes you fill it on the right side of the seat. Mine takes somewhere between 10-15 gallons if I remember correctly. I run the 303 tractor hydraulic fluid from tractor supply and case brand fluid in the transmission.
@@endlessmountainwoodworks4278 I just picked up the tracl loader version of thise, thanks for the video! In an earlier post you said you used the TSC Premium fluid for the transmission, but this post says you use Case fluid. Did you switch for a reason?
@@tmacie2 I was using the tsc premium fluid in it with no bad effects. It worked fine but was time to change it again. I came across a pallet of it at an auction and got it cheap so I put that in the skidder and dozer. I did not notice a difference in performance.
@@endlessmountainwoodworks4278 thanks for the reply!
I'm assuming you fill the hydraulic fluid in the same spot that you said the filter element was?
Hey, I recently picked up a older case 450..... was researching replacing the hydraulic/transmission fluid.... looks like case calls for there tch oil. Curious of what you decided to use?
For the hydraulic fluid I use the cheaper stuff at tractor supply, here is a link- www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/super-s-supertrac-303-tractor-hydraulic-fluid-5-gal?cm_vc=-10005
For the transmission/torque converter I use their premium oil, but any hight quality oil should work. You can also use this for the hydraulics if you want better oil- www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/traveller-premium-universal-tractor-trans-hydraulic-fluid?cm_vc=-10005
I think Case still has theit own version. I believe it is called Case HyTrans (hydraulic/ transmission)
endlessmountainwoodworks thanks, that’s pretty much the combo I planned on going with. you can actually get the tch oil from case, Some people seem to think it necessary. I know my machine has the cheaper tsp oil in it now..... and who knows what over the years.
I dont think that you have to have it, at least not in the hydraulics. My machine has performed well with the premium oil in the transmission/torque converter. If you have any other questions about maintenence or how to fix something let me know.
How much you pay? Looking at one just curious thank you!
@@PrePaidTeam paid 6,500…. Ended up dumping a bunch more money into, probably upside down in it now…..
What should the torque converter pressure run at?
Off the top of my head I dont recall, I want to say 25-75 is where my gauge is but next time I use it I will look for sure.
I ran mine and it goes between 25 and about 80 depending on throttle and what position the range levers and forward reverse lever is in.
Thank you
You need a new Dozer that dozer is gone track are worth out sprocket gone too
It has brand new tracks and undercarriage genius. In a later video it shows the tracks being replaced.
How hard has it been to find parts for this dozer,
It is doable but not easy. You have to spend a bit of time searching around. So far I have found everything I needed though.
How’s ur winch do, a lot cheaper alternative to a hydraulic winch... I had the same idea, then seen u had done it, just wondering how u like it..
@@CptRedneck It worked pretty good for what it is. Keep in mind electric winches are slow and cant pull under full load for too long, but for pulling small to medium logs it worked well.
WHAAAAAT
Not sure what your getting at.
wind probably