yeah exactly that's all it took for maggie and daryl to walk away and to be convinced it's a shame cause arat was changing but what she did is still unforgivable
@@ismailelmassaoudi4317That makes Maggie and Daryl the bad guys in that situation. It doesn’t matter what she did in the past as long as she was trying to change for the better. The moment you let vengeance consume you then you are the bad guy.
@@bobafett1313 you're right but it's a hard situation especially how maggie felt after losing glenn and the guilt that daryl still had towards that of cource he'd side with maggie
@@ismailelmassaoudi4317 I understand that too but Maggie should have thought about Glenn and what he would have done. Glenn was a good and moral man and he wouldn’t want Maggie going on this vengeance streak. Daryl episodes before gunned down a surrendering kid who Rick gave his word to. Rick and Morgan also are going around senselessly killing Saviors who are either ok people or people who saved them and believed Rick would let them join his group. The truth is Rick and his group start off almost as saints in seasons 1 and 2 however by season 6 and especially 7 and 8 they are just as bad as the Saviors or the Governor Carl to me was one of the only moral characters left and understood vengeance was wrong. The way Daryl shot Morales down also pissed me off. Of course I blame the writers for that tho, wasted potential for a returning character Also good to know your doing ok 3 years later, hopefully your doing good and appreciate the quick reply
Fun Fact: Arat saying "No Exceptions" was a big callback to exactly what Negan said before he swung the bat and killed Glenn! It's what made Maggie turn around because she of course remembered that.
The tomatoes were a callback to Carl’s “last day alive” episode where he ate it with Judith in the garden. When you see all the Saviors leave at the end they step on one showing that they’re trampling on Carl’s final wishes.
I don't think eye for an eye punishment works because it's an endless cycle. Maggie said that Gregory squandered multiple chances to atone. As awful as what Arat did, it's also worth noting she was one of the few Saviors actively trying to deescalate the tension and work with them. Like Maggie did with Earl, I think in those cases it should be about whether or not someone is willing to change and do better and should then be placed under some sort of probation/house arrest while working to contribute to the community.
16:28 It's what I've been saying about Negan, all along. It's not the fact that he killed Abe & Glenn. No! It's the glee Negan obviously felt while mashing their heads in to smithereens. You can't unsee that shit. Maggie probably sees that scene play out in her head every hour, of every day, since it happened. I understand why she refuses to visit Alexandria; and why she walked away; and why Cindy needed revenge.
Yes this is what I’ve been saying for years it’s the pleasure the saviors took in killing people and then claiming it’s what we had to do,no you chose that rick and the crew have killed too but they never once relish in it they do what has to be done in difficult situations and always look for another way and you know they feel the weight of their actions negan and the saviors were cold blooded serial killers
It’s not exactly unreasonable to me that Daryl and Maggie allowed Cyndie to do that, especially knowing Arat murdered a little boy and said exactly what Negan said before he murdered Glenn might not be the right way to deal with this situation, with vigilante justice after the war, but its understandable
I'd be against it if Arat hadn't enjoyed what she did. But she did enjoy it and smiled and made him beg, so I'd walk away too. If she'd done it with remorse and because she had to I'd feel a lot differently.
@@deckzone3000 There's a big difference between killing someone because you're being forced to and will be killed or tortured otherwise, and killing someone because you WANT to and finding joy in it
It kinda reminds me of how things were back when the original group had to decide when/how to kill Randall. Dale had mentioned how you can lose your humanity by doing certain acts in this new world and I think its interesting that now, everyone's trying to decide how to move humanity forward after humanities been lost. It's like they're trying to go backwards and create a new society in the dark ages. It's so cool.
Do you remember that Arat was the one who had a knife to Rosita after Rosita’s failed attempt on Negan after he killed Spencer? Negan told Arat to kill someone, and she ended up shooting Olivia in the face.
Still Arat Was A Sensible Person She Knows That Now Fighting Alexanderia Hilltop Or The Kingdom Would Be Stupid She Was A Good Soldier A Badass She Should've Died In Season 10
That was Carl’s grave... the rocks were in the shape of a C! 👍🏻 and Rick Gave Carl a tomato because it’s sort of what Carl wanted! He wanted crops and things like that and so I see it that rick gave Carl a tomato to show Carl that Rick is doing what Carl wanted and what Carl envisioned! 👍🏻
If Maggie had intervened, she would have done to the people of Ocean Side the same thing that she believes Michonne and Rick did to her...denied justice for Glenn.
It's not justice at this point, it's just hate that they can't let go of. Dwight and Morgan were killers that became good guys. Imagine someone coming up to them years later, wanting to get revenge, and their FTWD friends just said "ok go ahead".
After Arat said "no expections" before killing Cindy's brother, it was a callback for Maggie because that's what Negan said before killing Glenn. That's why she didn't help Arat and walked away. I never liked Arat for what she did to Olivia anyway, so I wouldn't have helped her either.
Great reaction. Maggie turned away to leave after hearing Arat said no exceptions before killing Cindy's brother cause that's what Negan said before finishing Glenn off. Can't blame her, most of her community was killed by the saviors. Poor Rick trying so hard to bring everyone together for Carls last wish, and they are not making it easy.
Michonnes been trying to make a justice system that's what she's been doing this whole time..cause she's sees/listens to both sides of Ricks and Maggie's thoughts.
Arat said “no exceptions” before killing Cyndie’s brother, same as when Negan said “no exceptions” when killing Glenn. That part hit Maggie hard, which is why she walked away.
Oceanside killing the Saviors for what they did sparked so much debate in the Facebook group I'm in. I personally didn't agree, because she integrated herself as part of the group and was clearly trying to change, but that's just me. I get all sides though. This is probably my favorite episode of the season just for the debate it sparked between everyone.
Also, the line "no exceptions" has a deeper meaning for Maggie, because that's what Negan said to her after apologizing for smashing Glenn over the head.
I am so happy you guys have join the TWD show. It’s funny watching your reactions. I must say Steve I am happy you have given this show a chance and I enjoy watching you get so rapped up in it. Lacy Like so many of us fans you have cried so many tears. Steve has gotten close several times but held it in. I also watch many of the shows you watch and even thought GOT was everyone’s favorite. I see more emotional response not only from you guys but many fans than have watch both. All I can tell you is just keep watching no matter what. Some episodes may not make sense at the time but will eventually it comes together in the end. Many people give up on this show and faith fans like my self have not and will not. Please please please stick with this show it’s worth the feels.
Great reaction guys, as always! This show is so good at making you wonder 'what would I do if I was in their place?'. I agree with Rick's way of doing things, it's what Carl wanted. I hope you guys and your family are doing good and staying healthy 💜
The tomato at the beginning on Carl’s grave symbolized life and the future, and then at the end we see Saviors stomping and crushing the tomato as they’re leaving the camp, which symbolizes the threats and obstacles in the way of that future.
I 100% get Oceanside’s reasons for the vigilante justice and Arat did kill Cyndie’s brother and Olivia too and who knows who else but it was still hard to see her weeping and Daryl and Maggie walking away as they executed her. Strong episode.
So Maggie just hanging that guy..forgot his name... a couple eps ago ....and now this...and pitting her and Darryl against Rick. Darryl and Rick are brothers...guess they forgot that or it doesn't matter to serve the plot...not the characters as we know them...or have known them. I don't even recognize Maggie these days. They have her acting more like Negan every ep. As for as Arat ...just walking away from a muder...Darryl and Maggie....it doesn't make you less guilty of it. Even the Nazis got a trialnbefore a court in WW2. Not just executed by one or two people...no matter if they deserved out or not. We are supposed to be better than that. I am not..and will never be...Team Negan. This show is now the Negan show...and really has been since S7. And so many are ok with that. I just don't get it. I'm not Team Manson..Team Bundy...Team Dahmer either. Negan is fictional..yes I know...but he brutally beat Glenn and Abraham's brains out...literally...and puts Irons to people's faces...and throws people into the fire..burning them alive.....and that's who you want to watch....? Because he's got funny dialogue? Because he's not psychotic at all...there's a reason for doing any of that? I stopped watching TWD because of it ..and another few things...and I see the Team Neagan starting here too...sad to say. I am admittedly a Rick fan...but even if I wasn't...I still would not be able to understand all the Team Negan stuff. It's actually kinda scary to see people going there.....and staying there. I don't want to start a debate...everyone has their opinion..and I have mine and just have to state it once in a while. I loved this group ...site..... when it started ...and when I found it...but I will most likely drop in a few. It's been fun while it lasted.😞💝
Loved loved loved your interpretation of this episode. Yes, we can’t expect all of these people to live together after situations like when Justin killed Beatrice’s husband as well as Arat killing Cyndie’s brother, and everything else.
"Maybe it'll be one of the best decisions you'll ever make. Like not killing the guy who left your brother on top of a roof to die"....... loved the reaction as usual! Thanks! Be safe and stay healthy!🙏❤
I love your discussions. When you two brainstorm you have nooo idea how close you guys predict stuff that is to come. I love Steve's emotional point of view and Laci's over analyzing and logical way of thinking. You are my favortie reactors on you tube. That is why I have subbed.. you guys have something others dont and I have seen them all.
I don't blame Ocean side for their actions. If she was scared for her life she would have done it and moved on. Not made a child beg for his life in front of his family. There has to be some sort of medium between how Rick sees things and how Maggie sees things. But, I think neither one is in the state of mind to see anything else. Grief can do weird things to a person.
it’s very difficult to judge people for seeking vengeance but at the same time where dose it end. at some point people have to work together and find a common and sensible way of dealing with problems that dose’nt always involve killing people to make it right even if there are those who have done thing that are inexcusable. it may sound like a Contradiction but the. again their whole world is crazy
Great episode tho... its exciting to me to see how close yall are to the next big thing and then the next and so on ... man ... I always say it , yall are in for a wild and emotional ride man have fun
I definitely get why oceanside did what they did and why Maggie and Daryl walked away I couldn't have walked away but I probably would've killed Arat a long time ago if I was in Cindy's spot Something about doing it after the peace just feels dirty to me I can't explain it and it's not as simple as we would like it to be which is what makes this moment so great because I'm not sure 100% where I stand on it
I'm with Rick, plain and simple. The blood shed has to stop so they can get back civilization. But I don't blame Maggie for turning away when Arat said no exceptions.
These dilemmas must of been the same sort of discussions that our founding fathers went through trying to establish a new government in America. Damn hard to figure out.
Agreed -- this show would be much stronger without all the helicopter and A&B teasing. All of that is their version of LOST's smoke monster. Hopefully it'll all fall into place at the end of the series, if not sooner.
Great episode cant wait for episodes 4 and 5, I wont say much but omg, I hope the both of you are ready, its gonna be like a roller coaster, after watching the livestream just wanted to say, keep up the awesome reactions Duo Reacts :) awesome the both of you are getting closer and closer to where the show/the rest of us are now and The Walking Dead airs on Sundays 8pm central time 9pm eastern time, it starts in early October and usually ends in March, after episode 8 it goes on a break. For the holidays, then it returns in February.
It can't be stressed enough the real reason Maggie turned her back on Arat. Granted she did terrible things but as has been already stated in the comments "No exceptions" are the last words Negan said before killing Glenn. I couldn't tell if they picked up on that or not in the reaction.
There are 2 sides to every coin. Negan and the saviors have done a lot ofbad things but so have Rick and his group. I'm all in with Ricks group but they killed people in their sleep when they attacked the saviors at their outpost. That is just as bad as what the saviors have done.
"No exceptions" the same words that Negan said before he killed Glenn this must have triggered Maggie and forced her to walk away and it seemed like she was starting to agree with Rick and Michonne and accept with the way things are but now she's gonna try and have her justice for her beloved husband
Kaveh Teimory or 4 and 5 back to back on Friday! That would make sense! Or they just stick to their routine! Idm what they do! Cus were gonna see it! I can’t wait too! But let them work at their own pace! 👍🏻
Yeah that chick can cry all she wants but murdering someone 11 year old brother and laughing in their face about is a death sentence. I don't care how much you apologize to me. That shit is disgusting. Also this proves Rick shouldn't have done this whole forced integration thing. He's not consulting with other leaders. He's making decisions that others like Maggie have to deal with and hoping they'll just do what he wants cause they were in his group.
Seeing both sides and the dilemma it causes is very interesting to me. It's not black or white. Nothing ever is. I remember discussions from when it first aired and you got people siding either with Rick or Maggie/Dary. Me? I can't choose a side!
To be fair negan didnt even kill that many of ricks people. He really only lucilled two when he could have done a lot worse. Shit negan killed more of his own people than rick's
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It sounds like laws, leaders, and a justice system needs to be in place. There is a reason why governments exist in all their manifold forms. Because what does give one the right to imprison, execute, or proclaim what is or isn't a law? Hmmmm? As far as A's and B's go. This show has been dropping breadcrumbs since Terminus. The boxcar the group ended up in, and the name of the episode 4/16 was "A". Since then, there have been small little bits. I can't connect the dots fully. For reasons. But this has been an obvious long-term plot line that this show has been pushing. Maybe even from the first episode. Was that helicopter Rick saw in Atlanta before he got in the tank, part of all this too? I honestly don't know. I like this episode because we finally get some more information. But obviously, not enough. I'm glad you're both intrigued by the show again, as am I, to a degree. Thanks for reaction and discussion you two. Until next time, keep safe, and keep on keeping on.
I always felt it was incredibly selfish how Rick got his revenge by slitting Negan's throat but denying Maggie after he promised her. Then he declares peace because he wants to honor his son. He is making everything about HIM. Nobody got any justice for their losses. You can't really blame Oceanside for taking their revenge. They lost their men.
That's probably the biggest reason I was with her and Daryl. Rick made a decision that affected everyone and for to many of them they felt like they got no justice for the ones they lost. He's forcing this integration without even listening to anyone who is telling him to his face that this won't work.
Plus, the hypocrisy of Gabriel reminding Rick in 8-1: "It's not about you." And yet the season finale was DEFINITELY about what he wanted vs. what everyone wanted. (Although I understand the emotional weight of losing Carl, when he was Rick's biggest motivation for surviving to begin with. Absolute no-win situation.)
@zeroinfinityzero Yes. Unfortunately the lines are blurred as to who is justified. To be honest Rick and his group were not out for justice. They were killing for material gain. So Negan could argue that he was justified. But Oceanside killed those who killed their own.
They showed the weapon throughout the episode and even in episode 2 they focused on her and her weapon! If u knew to look for something then you would be able to tell
If we look at the true side we see that what Rick did is really worse than what Negan did. Killing people that don't even know you in sleep is so horrible. So I never looked at Negan like he was the villain.
Loved watching this wit you guys even though I've seen it your reactions are amazing and I know you have seen up to episode 5 but I just want to say I get why Maggie and Darly want Negen dead after everything he did who wouldn't but I agree with Rick. Keeping Negan locked up with no getting out is worse then death because he has nothing but time to think about every bad and horrible thing he has done and he has to live wit the guilt.
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I dislike Maggie and Daryl in the first episodes from this season, mostly Maggie tho. First off, I don't think Glenn want her to walk by that path, Glenn was always a guy who forgive people, even people who try to kill him (Nicholas). What Maggie is doing she was doing for herself, so fuck that. Second, how many people Maggie and the Rick group kill until now, so if the family of that people all try to kill Maggie or Rick's people, that would be valid? Maggie is wrong.
I have always seen Maggie in two ways when it comes to the Negan issue. Firstly, obviously, she's a grieving widow who is now forced to raise her child alone. Secondly, I have seen her as representative of TWD fans who can't forget Glenn's death. When Hershel was killed, and again with Beth, their killers were in turn taken out in the same episode. We/Maggie never got that closure for Glenn in both season 7 & 8.
IMO this is one of the worst things I've seen Maggie or Daryl do. I get they want the Saviors to pay and that they have past memories they can't move past. And someone like Justin should pay, someone like Simon should etc. But Arat was given a second chance at life, a chance for redemption... and had taken a hold of that second chance and ran with it. She became a law abiding citizen and was helping Rosita redirect the herd last episode. She became one of our groups over the last year and a half... and for Maggie and Daryl to just walk away like that while she was begging for her life was just awful. I get why the Oceansiders wanted them dead obviously, but Maggie and Daryl could've at least tried to save her. And then to top it all off when Maggie says at the end "We gave Rick's way a chance"... that was the biggest lie I've ever heard. You guys can disagree with Rick and have your own ideas that's fine, but don't try and tell me you were ever truly gonna give his way a chance, you were never gonna move past things and try to kill Negan this whole time.
The Oceanside ladies still live at Oceanside so they were not aware of all the rules. Like they said, they were not sure until Maggie took justice with Gregory. Do I think it was right? No. But I am seeing it from their side. Remember, at this point, no one has rules set in place, so it is every community for themselves as far as the rules.
@@ellereacts528 Yeah I get why Oceanside would do what they did. Especially considering that Arat killed Cyndie's little brother. But I feel like what Maggie and Daryl did, just walking away, was more wrong then anything. Arat was given a second chance and proved she had changed. She deserved better than an execution like that. She wasn't that person anymore.
@@ellereacts528 And to add on that, if Arat didn't kill Cyndie's brother than Simon would've killed her. She didn't have a choice. Sometimes you have to play the hands you are dealt. If that deserves execution, even after changing, then you can make the argument Rick should be executed for killing Gracie's father in 802. They've all done shitty things.
Gosh. How the episode ended, is almost like leaving you with a bad taste in your mouth. Are all Saviors bad? No. Do they deserve to die? Now that's the tricky part because some Saviors are still wanting to hurt people while the others are trying to help and contribute to the communities. Some are trying to change their ways. Reform. And right now the communities need people. People are resources. If you start taking them out, then you have less helping hands. And not only that but now you're just killing people because you want to alleviate your pain?? I understand Oceanside/Maggie's pain but they need to move forward and look ahead instead of what happened in the past. It does no good torturing yourself by remembering over and over again what happened. The whole situation sucks but they need to look ahead just like Rick is saying. And he's one that wanted blood so badly. His people (family/friends) were murdered and his son died in the middle of all this back and forth war they had going on. It took alot for him not to kill Negan. But he refocused his attention to the bigger picture which is getting ready for the walkers that are still out there coming for the living. Bullcrap needs to be put aside. So yeah it did bother me seeing Maggie and Daryl turn their backs on Arat and walk away as shes getting executed. It was unsettling watching them walk away. And now they're off to kill Negan. Imagine how thats gonna go down with Rick. I don't like how this is going down.
"No exceptions." Exactly what Negan said before he killed Glenn.
yeah exactly that's all it took for maggie and daryl to walk away and to be convinced it's a shame cause arat was changing but what she did is still unforgivable
Had he left glen, he would be looked down on, showed weakness. . . But he killed him, and that made him a different being altogether
@@ismailelmassaoudi4317That makes Maggie and Daryl the bad guys in that situation. It doesn’t matter what she did in the past as long as she was trying to change for the better. The moment you let vengeance consume you then you are the bad guy.
@@bobafett1313 you're right but it's a hard situation especially how maggie felt after losing glenn and the guilt that daryl still had towards that of cource he'd side with maggie
@@ismailelmassaoudi4317 I understand that too but Maggie should have thought about Glenn and what he would have done. Glenn was a good and moral man and he wouldn’t want Maggie going on this vengeance streak. Daryl episodes before gunned down a surrendering kid who Rick gave his word to. Rick and Morgan also are going around senselessly killing Saviors who are either ok people or people who saved them and believed Rick would let them join his group. The truth is Rick and his group start off almost as saints in seasons 1 and 2 however by season 6 and especially 7 and 8 they are just as bad as the Saviors or the Governor
Carl to me was one of the only moral characters left and understood vengeance was wrong. The way Daryl shot Morales down also pissed me off. Of course I blame the writers for that tho, wasted potential for a returning character
Also good to know your doing ok 3 years later, hopefully your doing good and appreciate the quick reply
I love seeing Rick and Michonne playing with Judith. It's the most wholesome thing in the entire show
Fun Fact: Arat saying "No Exceptions" was a big callback to exactly what Negan said before he swung the bat and killed Glenn! It's what made Maggie turn around because she of course remembered that.
Arat*
also daryl
The tomatoes were a callback to Carl’s “last day alive” episode where he ate it with Judith in the garden. When you see all the Saviors leave at the end they step on one showing that they’re trampling on Carl’s final wishes.
One of the great parts about season 9 is that Angela Kang really brought the horror elements back into the show!
I don't think eye for an eye punishment works because it's an endless cycle. Maggie said that Gregory squandered multiple chances to atone. As awful as what Arat did, it's also worth noting she was one of the few Saviors actively trying to deescalate the tension and work with them. Like Maggie did with Earl, I think in those cases it should be about whether or not someone is willing to change and do better and should then be placed under some sort of probation/house arrest while working to contribute to the community.
An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind...
well said
Lmfao
16:28 It's what I've been saying about Negan, all along. It's not the fact that he killed Abe & Glenn. No! It's the glee Negan obviously felt while mashing their heads in to smithereens. You can't unsee that shit. Maggie probably sees that scene play out in her head every hour, of every day, since it happened. I understand why she refuses to visit Alexandria; and why she walked away; and why Cindy needed revenge.
angie 808 yeah especially every time she sees hershel.
angie 808 damn never thought of it that way. I agree with her even more now.
Eric Wilson rightttt??
Tell Them!!!
Yes this is what I’ve been saying for years it’s the pleasure the saviors took in killing people and then claiming it’s what we had to do,no you chose that rick and the crew have killed too but they never once relish in it they do what has to be done in difficult situations and always look for another way and you know they feel the weight of their actions negan and the saviors were cold blooded serial killers
It’s not exactly unreasonable to me that Daryl and Maggie allowed Cyndie to do that, especially knowing Arat murdered a little boy and said exactly what Negan said before he murdered Glenn
might not be the right way to deal with this situation, with vigilante justice after the war, but its understandable
I'd be against it if Arat hadn't enjoyed what she did. But she did enjoy it and smiled and made him beg, so I'd walk away too. If she'd done it with remorse and because she had to I'd feel a lot differently.
@@Alatorre05 exactly
@@Alatorre05 That doesn't make any difference.
The war has been over for a year and a half. There's an expiration date like Jesus tells Maggie in the next episode.
@@deckzone3000 There's a big difference between killing someone because you're being forced to and will be killed or tortured otherwise, and killing someone because you WANT to and finding joy in it
If you don’t remember, at the end of 806, when Jadis had Rick trapped in that storage unit thing, she wrote “A” with chalk on its wall.
It kinda reminds me of how things were back when the original group had to decide when/how to kill Randall. Dale had mentioned how you can lose your humanity by doing certain acts in this new world and I think its interesting that now, everyone's trying to decide how to move humanity forward after humanities been lost. It's like they're trying to go backwards and create a new society in the dark ages. It's so cool.
Do you remember that Arat was the one who had a knife to Rosita after Rosita’s failed attempt on Negan after he killed Spencer? Negan told Arat to kill someone, and she ended up shooting Olivia in the face.
Arat was the one that killed Olivia and scarred Rosita’s face
Arat was a badass loved her character and the actress
Still Arat Was A Sensible Person She Knows That Now Fighting Alexanderia Hilltop Or The Kingdom Would Be Stupid She Was A Good Soldier A Badass She Should've Died In Season 10
That was Carl’s grave... the rocks were in the shape of a C! 👍🏻 and Rick Gave Carl a tomato because it’s sort of what Carl wanted! He wanted crops and things like that and so I see it that rick gave Carl a tomato to show Carl that Rick is doing what Carl wanted and what Carl envisioned! 👍🏻
Rick riding in like a prophet, parting that crowd in the middle. Really great imagery.
If Maggie had intervened, she would have done to the people of Ocean Side the same thing that she believes Michonne and Rick did to her...denied justice for Glenn.
It's not justice at this point, it's just hate that they can't let go of.
Dwight and Morgan were killers that became good guys. Imagine someone coming up to them years later, wanting to get revenge, and their FTWD friends just said "ok go ahead".
@deckzone3000 I didn't say I agreed with it. It's just how Maggie saw the situation. She understood how they felt.
"It's Jody!" Lol gotta love the Shameless fam.
After Arat said "no expections" before killing Cindy's brother, it was a callback for Maggie because that's what Negan said before killing Glenn. That's why she didn't help Arat and walked away. I never liked Arat for what she did to Olivia anyway, so I wouldn't have helped her either.
Great reaction. Maggie turned away to leave after hearing Arat said no exceptions before killing Cindy's brother cause that's what Negan said before finishing Glenn off. Can't blame her, most of her community was killed by the saviors. Poor Rick trying so hard to bring everyone together for Carls last wish, and they are not making it easy.
Michonnes been trying to make a justice system that's what she's been doing this whole time..cause she's sees/listens to both sides of Ricks and Maggie's thoughts.
Arat said “no exceptions” before killing Cyndie’s brother, same as when Negan said “no exceptions” when killing Glenn. That part hit Maggie hard, which is why she walked away.
"NO EXCEPTIONS."
Negan said to our group, on their knees, lined up!
Oceanside killing the Saviors for what they did sparked so much debate in the Facebook group I'm in. I personally didn't agree, because she integrated herself as part of the group and was clearly trying to change, but that's just me. I get all sides though. This is probably my favorite episode of the season just for the debate it sparked between everyone.
Arat . The savior who died at the end , was also the same lady who cut rositas face, and shot Olivia in season 7
Also, the line "no exceptions" has a deeper meaning for Maggie, because that's what Negan said to her after apologizing for smashing Glenn over the head.
I am so happy you guys have join the TWD show. It’s funny watching your reactions. I must say Steve I am happy you have given this show a chance and I enjoy watching you get so rapped up in it. Lacy Like so many of us fans you have cried so many tears. Steve has gotten close several times but held it in. I also watch many of the shows you watch and even thought GOT was everyone’s favorite. I see more emotional response not only from you guys but many fans than have watch both. All I can tell you is just keep watching no matter what. Some episodes may not make sense at the time but will eventually it comes together in the end. Many people give up on this show and faith fans like my self have not and will not. Please please please stick with this show it’s worth the feels.
Great reaction guys, as always!
This show is so good at making you wonder 'what would I do if I was in their place?'.
I agree with Rick's way of doing things, it's what Carl wanted.
I hope you guys and your family are doing good and staying healthy 💜
The tomato at the beginning on Carl’s grave symbolized life and the future, and then at the end we see Saviors stomping and crushing the tomato as they’re leaving the camp, which symbolizes the threats and obstacles in the way of that future.
That No Exceptions is what made Maggie walk away. That's what Negan said before killing Glenn.
I 100% get Oceanside’s reasons for the vigilante justice and Arat did kill Cyndie’s brother and Olivia too and who knows who else but it was still hard to see her weeping and Daryl and Maggie walking away as they executed her. Strong episode.
So Maggie just hanging that guy..forgot his name... a couple eps ago ....and now this...and pitting her and Darryl against Rick. Darryl and Rick are brothers...guess they forgot that or it doesn't matter to serve the plot...not the characters as we know them...or have known them. I don't even recognize Maggie these days. They have her acting more like Negan every ep. As for as Arat ...just walking away from a muder...Darryl and Maggie....it doesn't make you less guilty of it. Even the Nazis got a trialnbefore a court in WW2. Not just executed by one or two people...no matter if they deserved out or not. We are supposed to be better than that. I am not..and will never be...Team Negan. This show is now the Negan show...and really has been since S7. And so many are ok with that. I just don't get it. I'm not Team Manson..Team Bundy...Team Dahmer either. Negan is fictional..yes I know...but he brutally beat Glenn and Abraham's brains out...literally...and puts Irons to people's faces...and throws people into the fire..burning them alive.....and that's who you want to watch....? Because he's got funny dialogue? Because he's not psychotic at all...there's a reason for doing any of that? I stopped watching TWD because of it ..and another few things...and I see the Team Neagan starting here too...sad to say. I am admittedly a Rick fan...but even if I wasn't...I still would not be able to understand all the Team Negan stuff. It's actually kinda scary to see people going there.....and staying there. I don't want to start a debate...everyone has their opinion..and I have mine and just have to state it once in a while. I loved this group ...site..... when it started ...and when I found it...but I will most likely drop in a few. It's been fun while it lasted.😞💝
@@brendaallison9344 Maggie changed after glenn was killed, it's called character development not a mistake
I have seen the early episodes at least a dozen times, and I will watch them at least a dozen more. Everytime they do a marathon, I am on it!!
A whole lot of justice morality issues and it doesn't get easier ... Its really interesting to see all of the different sides
Loved loved loved your interpretation of this episode. Yes, we can’t expect all of these people to live together after situations like when Justin killed Beatrice’s husband as well as Arat killing Cyndie’s brother, and everything else.
No exception it’s the same line that Negan said just before killing Glen
"Maybe it'll be one of the best decisions you'll ever make. Like not killing the guy who left your brother on top of a roof to die"....... loved the reaction as usual! Thanks! Be safe and stay healthy!🙏❤
Your so lucky you get the privilege of watching it for the first time I wish I could do that again
I wish that too❤👌
That was my initial thought ... same as yours. A personality type .. a leader or a follower.
It’s time to see Negan!! Great reaction duo!
I love your discussions. When you two brainstorm you have nooo idea how close you guys predict stuff that is to come. I love Steve's emotional point of view and Laci's over analyzing and logical way of thinking. You are my favortie reactors on you tube. That is why I have subbed.. you guys have something others dont and I have seen them all.
This episode showed that sometimes some people just gotta pay for their sins! Arat wouldn’t blink before shooting anyone! Well, see you...until 9/4!
Someone needs to put a bounty out on these people then:
Morgan
Rick
Dwight
Negan
Daryl
Gabriel
I love how you guys figure things out. I'm glad you catching up to us. 🤗
We need 4 & 5 Friday plzzz!!!
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No exceptions that's wat negan said to glenn
I think that A = After Bite - B = Before Bite
“No exceptions” right back to Glenn death. Everything’s just too soon and raw. Remember when Jadis locked rick up? It had an A on locker
I don't blame Ocean side for their actions. If she was scared for her life she would have done it and moved on. Not made a child beg for his life in front of his family. There has to be some sort of medium between how Rick sees things and how Maggie sees things. But, I think neither one is in the state of mind to see anything else. Grief can do weird things to a person.
Things is, rick is thinking about the bigger picture, Maggie isn't, she thinking with emotion. Ricks reasoning is far stronger than Maggie's.
@@jakesaunders8955 I agree Rick is thinking far more rationally right now. I can see where Maggie is coming from too.
what's her name that died was ARAT backwards for TARA. i was kind of hoping they would have been a couple..lol she's the character that killed Olivia.
Maggie deserves justice for Glenn her loving caring nice looking sweet wonderful husband
it’s very difficult to judge people for seeking vengeance but at the same time where dose it end. at some point people have to work together and find a common and sensible way of dealing with problems that dose’nt always involve killing people to make it right even if there are those who have done thing that are inexcusable. it may sound like a Contradiction but the. again their whole world is crazy
Another great episode love the last Carol and Rick team up for now cant wait for your reactions to the next couple of episode
Great episode tho... its exciting to me to see how close yall are to the next big thing and then the next and so on ... man ... I always say it , yall are in for a wild and emotional ride man have fun
The tomato was because I’m Carl’s vision he told rick they were growing tomatoes
I definitely get why oceanside did what they did and why Maggie and Daryl walked away I couldn't have walked away but I probably would've killed Arat a long time ago if I was in Cindy's spot
Something about doing it after the peace just feels dirty to me I can't explain it and it's not as simple as we would like it to be which is what makes this moment so great because I'm not sure 100% where I stand on it
I'm with Rick, plain and simple. The blood shed has to stop so they can get back civilization.
But I don't blame Maggie for turning away when Arat said no exceptions.
These dilemmas must of been the same sort of discussions that our founding fathers went through trying to establish a new government in America. Damn hard to figure out.
Agreed -- this show would be much stronger without all the helicopter and A&B teasing. All of that is their version of LOST's smoke monster. Hopefully it'll all fall into place at the end of the series, if not sooner.
Great episode cant wait for episodes 4 and 5, I wont say much but omg, I hope the both of you are ready, its gonna be like a roller coaster, after watching the livestream just wanted to say, keep up the awesome reactions Duo Reacts :) awesome the both of you are getting closer and closer to where the show/the rest of us are now and The Walking Dead airs on Sundays 8pm central time 9pm eastern time, it starts in early October and usually ends in March, after episode 8 it goes on a break. For the holidays, then it returns in February.
It can't be stressed enough the real reason Maggie turned her back on Arat. Granted she did terrible things but as has been already stated in the comments "No exceptions" are the last words Negan said before killing Glenn. I couldn't tell if they picked up on that or not in the reaction.
The tomatoes resemble carls dream imo, I think its a nice flashback to what he wanted and we're seeing how hard it is to achieve that
No Exceptions is Right!
There are 2 sides to every coin. Negan and the saviors have done a lot ofbad things but so have Rick and his group.
I'm all in with Ricks group but they killed people in their sleep when they attacked the saviors at their outpost. That is just as bad as what the saviors have done.
"No exceptions" the same words that Negan said before he killed Glenn this must have triggered Maggie and forced her to walk away and it seemed like she was starting to agree with Rick and Michonne and accept with the way things are but now she's gonna try and have her justice for her beloved husband
It was a speargun similar to arrow wound i guess and yeah the whole how do you decide who lives and who dies situation is difficult to decide
Revenge is emotional & Justice is logical, for what the Saviors did to Oceanside?...
Both apply!
Daryl making plans again. I wonder how this will turn out?
Y’all see the guy that claims Lacey already watched The Walking Dead? 😂 Latest video he made makes no sense. It’s funny.
Wasn't there an A and a B on the wagons(train/container) by the "Cannibal group" or doesn't it have anything to with it at all?
Be safe.🤘🇺🇸🇩🇰🤘
I hope you upload episode 4 too so we can have episode 5 on Friday🤩!!!
Kaveh Teimory or 4 and 5 back to back on Friday! That would make sense! Or they just stick to their routine! Idm what they do! Cus were gonna see it! I can’t wait too! But let them work at their own pace! 👍🏻
Wow that was deep guys
Yeah that chick can cry all she wants but murdering someone 11 year old brother and laughing in their face about is a death sentence. I don't care how much you apologize to me. That shit is disgusting. Also this proves Rick shouldn't have done this whole forced integration thing. He's not consulting with other leaders. He's making decisions that others like Maggie have to deal with and hoping they'll just do what he wants cause they were in his group.
Seeing both sides and the dilemma it causes is very interesting to me. It's not black or white. Nothing ever is. I remember discussions from when it first aired and you got people siding either with Rick or Maggie/Dary. Me? I can't choose a side!
Double upload on Friday?
Maybe Arat "changed", maybe not, but not just cindy's brother, she enjoyed killing Olivia(The most harmless person in the world!), so no tears here!
Things are getting intense. Great reaction
I can’t wait till y’all get to season 10
To be fair negan didnt even kill that many of ricks people. He really only lucilled two when he could have done a lot worse. Shit negan killed more of his own people than rick's
Season 9 is really good
its really interesting that we are learning that with so many of these terrible incidents Simon was the one who was involved and not actually Negan :)
Do they have early reactions on their patreon?
Yes. It's definitely worth the $10 a month for the full reaction, at least it is to me. 😍 Plus, you get full reactions to everything else they're watching like Better Call Saul, Stranger Things, The Boys and more.
@Gabrielle Hanson, you can also get the $5 tier and get the episode above the day before it goes on UA-cam.
I tried getting the $10 tier, but it won't accept my card. First it said that I needed a shipping address. Once I put that in, it said my card was invalid (which it definitely isn't). I tried several times.
@@gabriellehanson2423 let me get Craig to get with lacey and see if they know what the deal is.
It sounds like laws, leaders, and a justice system needs to be in place. There is a reason why governments exist in all their manifold forms. Because what does give one the right to imprison, execute, or proclaim what is or isn't a law? Hmmmm?
As far as A's and B's go. This show has been dropping breadcrumbs since Terminus. The boxcar the group ended up in, and the name of the episode 4/16 was "A". Since then, there have been small little bits. I can't connect the dots fully. For reasons. But this has been an obvious long-term plot line that this show has been pushing. Maybe even from the first episode. Was that helicopter Rick saw in Atlanta before he got in the tank, part of all this too?
I honestly don't know.
I like this episode because we finally get some more information. But obviously, not enough.
I'm glad you're both intrigued by the show again, as am I, to a degree.
Thanks for reaction and discussion you two. Until next time, keep safe, and keep on keeping on.
When they had to quarantine the prison where did they send people? To "A" Block, or Death Row.
@@leila7132 Sweet call. I did not remember that one. So since early season 4, at least, with the breadcrumbs.
I always felt it was incredibly selfish how Rick got his revenge by slitting Negan's throat but denying Maggie after he promised her. Then he declares peace because he wants to honor his son. He is making everything about HIM. Nobody got any justice for their losses. You can't really blame Oceanside for taking their revenge. They lost their men.
That's probably the biggest reason I was with her and Daryl. Rick made a decision that affected everyone and for to many of them they felt like they got no justice for the ones they lost. He's forcing this integration without even listening to anyone who is telling him to his face that this won't work.
Plus, the hypocrisy of Gabriel reminding Rick in 8-1: "It's not about you." And yet the season finale was DEFINITELY about what he wanted vs. what everyone wanted.
(Although I understand the emotional weight of losing Carl, when he was Rick's biggest motivation for surviving to begin with. Absolute no-win situation.)
Leila yeah I love Rick it's just he has made this about HIS son while forgetting about other people.
Exactly! I do agree with Rick, but he needed to discuss this decision with everyone. It wasn’t his choice to make.
@zeroinfinityzero Yes. Unfortunately the lines are blurred as to who is justified. To be honest Rick and his group were not out for justice. They were killing for material gain. So Negan could argue that he was justified. But Oceanside killed those who killed their own.
Who's character evolution have yiu guys liked most? Dead or alive in the show.?
They showed the weapon throughout the episode and even in episode 2 they focused on her and her weapon! If u knew to look for something then you would be able to tell
No exception THATS what negan Used To Say
If we look at the true side we see that what Rick did is really worse than what Negan did. Killing people that don't even know you in sleep is so horrible. So I never looked at Negan like he was the villain.
You are so missed I love you ❤️❤️❤️
Loved watching this wit you guys even though I've seen it your reactions are amazing and I know you have seen up to episode 5 but I just want to say I get why Maggie and Darly want Negen dead after everything he did who wouldn't but I agree with Rick. Keeping Negan locked up with no getting out is worse then death because he has nothing but time to think about every bad and horrible thing he has done and he has to live wit the guilt.
Presuming he feels guilt. Not a foregone conclusion by any stretch.
@@fester2306 True but rotting in a cell for the rest of his life is worse than dying dying is to easy for Negan
@@peach5438 I 100% agree with you I just think death is to easy for him
@@peach5438 I agree
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Zach Mcgowan waa wasted in TWD imo. He was only in 3 episodes
Yup. Was excited when he was introduced, biggest waste of the show
Agree. Maybe his schedule only allowed him to make a short appearance.
@@amandalc2 then you dont cast him.
Rikard Galfi maybe he asked for a short appearance 🤷🏻♀️ and they already had the character planned so it worked out.
Can you do a double upload for the walking dead
Idk if you guys are down for movie reactions but PLEASE react to uncut gems it’s coming to Netflix and I think it’d make for a great reaction vid lol
Yeah
You REALLY need to start watching Fear The Walking Dead. Some info you are lacking could surface in that series....
i love the reactions!
and Maggie is correct Rick and Michonne denied her justice for killing Glenn
I dislike Maggie and Daryl in the first episodes from this season, mostly Maggie tho.
First off, I don't think Glenn want her to walk by that path, Glenn was always a guy who forgive people, even people who try to kill him (Nicholas).
What Maggie is doing she was doing for herself, so fuck that.
Second, how many people Maggie and the Rick group kill until now, so if the family of that people all try to kill Maggie or Rick's people, that would be valid?
Maggie is wrong.
I have always seen Maggie in two ways when it comes to the Negan issue. Firstly, obviously, she's a grieving widow who is now forced to raise her child alone. Secondly, I have seen her as representative of TWD fans who can't forget Glenn's death. When Hershel was killed, and again with Beth, their killers were in turn taken out in the same episode. We/Maggie never got that closure for Glenn in both season 7 & 8.
What’s an A, whats a B? 😁
IMO this is one of the worst things I've seen Maggie or Daryl do. I get they want the Saviors to pay and that they have past memories they can't move past. And someone like Justin should pay, someone like Simon should etc. But Arat was given a second chance at life, a chance for redemption... and had taken a hold of that second chance and ran with it. She became a law abiding citizen and was helping Rosita redirect the herd last episode. She became one of our groups over the last year and a half... and for Maggie and Daryl to just walk away like that while she was begging for her life was just awful. I get why the Oceansiders wanted them dead obviously, but Maggie and Daryl could've at least tried to save her. And then to top it all off when Maggie says at the end "We gave Rick's way a chance"... that was the biggest lie I've ever heard. You guys can disagree with Rick and have your own ideas that's fine, but don't try and tell me you were ever truly gonna give his way a chance, you were never gonna move past things and try to kill Negan this whole time.
The Oceanside ladies still live at Oceanside so they were not aware of all the rules. Like they said, they were not sure until Maggie took justice with Gregory. Do I think it was right? No. But I am seeing it from their side. Remember, at this point, no one has rules set in place, so it is every community for themselves as far as the rules.
@@ellereacts528 Yeah I get why Oceanside would do what they did. Especially considering that Arat killed Cyndie's little brother. But I feel like what Maggie and Daryl did, just walking away, was more wrong then anything. Arat was given a second chance and proved she had changed. She deserved better than an execution like that. She wasn't that person anymore.
@@Piggeh603 So true
@zeroinfinityzero Possibly. But they didn't want to move past things to begin with.
@@ellereacts528 And to add on that, if Arat didn't kill Cyndie's brother than Simon would've killed her. She didn't have a choice. Sometimes you have to play the hands you are dealt. If that deserves execution, even after changing, then you can make the argument Rick should be executed for killing Gracie's father in 802. They've all done shitty things.
Is it just me or at 4:36 that asian guy near Maggie looks super similar to Glenn?
That's Kal, Gregory's one-time assistant.
Gosh. How the episode ended, is almost like leaving you with a bad taste in your mouth. Are all Saviors bad? No. Do they deserve to die? Now that's the tricky part because some Saviors are still wanting to hurt people while the others are trying to help and contribute to the communities. Some are trying to change their ways. Reform. And right now the communities need people. People are resources. If you start taking them out, then you have less helping hands. And not only that but now you're just killing people because you want to alleviate your pain?? I understand Oceanside/Maggie's pain but they need to move forward and look ahead instead of what happened in the past. It does no good torturing yourself by remembering over and over again what happened. The whole situation sucks but they need to look ahead just like Rick is saying. And he's one that wanted blood so badly. His people (family/friends) were murdered and his son died in the middle of all this back and forth war they had going on. It took alot for him not to kill Negan. But he refocused his attention to the bigger picture which is getting ready for the walkers that are still out there coming for the living. Bullcrap needs to be put aside. So yeah it did bother me seeing Maggie and Daryl turn their backs on Arat and walk away as shes getting executed. It was unsettling watching them walk away. And now they're off to kill Negan. Imagine how thats gonna go down with Rick. I don't like how this is going down.
YEAH!!