The X-Wing Miniatures Game - Shut Up & Sit Down Review
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First published on June 27, 2014. - Ігри
“A proper tea-time battle” ... is this the most British thing ever uttered?!?!
That opening sketch is a masterpiece
All I was thinking about in the last half of Rogue One was "Oh, there's a new X-Wing mini dad is gonna get."
"Buy all our playsets and toys~"
You guys could re-visit 2.0 now that it’s been out a while!
@@ShiYuMeng2 This feel super in accurate from what i've seen.
@@ShiYuMeng2 your not forced to use the app, others out there, you can make most list's competative and win depends how skillful you are. and pay to win lol that's the worst comment i have heard. But you do sound like one of those who have been on t he scene and brought the latest meta tournament winning list and have got no where with it.
@@ShiYuMeng2 I don't see how it being "pay to win" is anything new with the new edition? In fact, it's better than it was as upgrade cards are less exclusive, so you don't have to buy a whole expansion for one card.
@@ShiYuMeng2 @thunder sheild
you do realise that was the sole reason why 2.0 was created, the first edition had bloating of upgrades locked behind expansions and models you didn't want. They learnt from their mistakes, took a ballsy reboot move and released upgrade packs so no player feels left out and isn't locked out for an ability behind expansion box they must buy even though it's just the card they want. It would've been way easier for them to continue with 1.0 shenanigans as a broken mess, take the money and leave. Additionally to drive my point more so, they added points in the app and not on the cards, again another area they could have capitalised off off of the consumer by forcing you to buy new cards, instead the app will be updated with any meta changes
@@ShiYuMeng2 Azzy Grizzly Fett said, they have actualy purposely tried to fix this with the 2.0 launch, they have removed alot of the powerful upgrade cards from being so limited like you had explained. Alot of the time you can get the same cards now out of every box (as long as of course the ship you purchased can use it, they aint gonna give you a R2 unit in your Tie-Fighter.
And to further solve the issue they are now releasing upgrade packs, little card packs that legit only have the cards one might want. Like the Palpatine example you made. They are trying to expand they way to get the cards.
Sadly Pay 2 win in the capacity as you complain will exist in any minatures capturing game, even Warhammer could be argued at this point in this games design phase
It may sound silly when they talking about putting on music while you play but honestly... Put on the Tie Fighter Chase theme from Episode 4, after the Falcon escapes the Death Star and you will have so much more fun. The music almost feels strangely timed to when you are setting your movement dials and when the fights take place. Honestly it adds so much to the game.
Add to that one of the various Sound FX apps out there and you have pure cinema gold on the BG table. (Theory proven in applied field tests.)
"... its technically just a wing." Brilliant :D
i love x-wing, still one of our main go-to games. the mind games of trying to anticipate your opponents moves and countering for it while they're doing the same thing all in your heads until you finally reveal the manuever dials and see if you made the right choice, it's all so much fun!!!!
X-Wing? That's a 90's PC game. It was a ton of fun!
I love this game. It's a hugely versatile game. If you want to just throw some ships down and pew pew, you can do that. If you want to have a huge battle with a whole bunch of ships flying around, you can do that. If you want to play competitively and fine tune a list to maximum efficiency, you can do that too. And the competitive community is amazing. As for the aforementioned balance, there are some but I wouldn't go so far as to say you only win if your squad is A,B, or C. More like there are successful archetypes but multiple ships can fit those archetypes. But yes it is true that competitively there are ships that are just crap.
lol!
i'd totally forgotten about the packaging scene at 14:20!
well done SUSD from two years ago, well done.
When i heard Kyle Katarn: 1. Lie down 2. Try not to cry 3. Cry a lot
“If I have one criticism - it's the prequels”
Six years later, I guess the sequels is a bigger criticism 😂
But great review!
Shut up and sit down is one of my favorite channels of all time. Brilliant videos!
Pro tip: if anyone wants to play this game without having to buy a physical copy, there is a really good version on tabletop simulator (a PC video game) where you can use whatever ships you want, and all the moves are done automatically
Oh dear.....I’ve just started going down the Star Wars board game rabbit hole with a 9 year old son who is as eager as me.
God help us and my wallet. :)
Look for me and my 12 yr old son in that same hole. Just got into x-wing too. :)
'I guess it's technically just... a wing?' Not 2 minutes in and I already lost it 😂
100 points per ship type. this game is amazing. unfortunately I took a break from it when the scum and villainy stuff started coming out. so I've lagged behind since. still definitely worth getting into.
Man, I wish I could like this video about 10 times.
awesome video. hey your gaming table caught my eye. i liked that the side extended out ward. where did you get that cool table ?
That was a pretty good video.
I do agree with the one criticism. I play both X-Wing and Attack Wing (I own over 100 ships for each system) and I always did wish that X-Wing would adopt Attack Wing's more unique customisation system, where ships and pilots are separate cards. You can have Picard commanding the USS Voyager in AW, for example, but you can't have Vader flying anything other than his Tie Advanced in X-Wing, which is a bit of a missed opportunity.
Another criticism I'd level against it are factions. X-Wing started with two factions, and moved on to a third later, but Attack Wing has a ton of them! And unlike X-Wing, you can cross cards across factions (paying a +1pt penalty), so you're never "stuck".
Also, while X-Wing is probably my second-favourite minis game right now, it does have one major contender taking the top spot: Armada. THAT is the Star Wars game I've always wanted and finally got.
great overview. I love this game. stopped collecting after the Decimator. and still have a lot of fun. i don't play competitive in tournaments. but it is still great with friends
Mike Glasswell Oliver and I had our first game with the core set last night. I'm a bit worried for my wallet.
oh cool. come round to new zealand and lets play some more
If I didn't have to sell someone's kidney any time I want to buy a ship this game would be so much better
I kind of enjoy the game but didn't really feel welcome when I tried to play at a local meetup. It also looked like most of the people there had £££ to throw at the game and had bought 8-10 copies of certain ships just to get the upgrade cards.
Theme and style in a perfect blend... How about War of the Ring?
Also worth noting again is that a TIE Defender doesn't have a crew slot (no tactitian...)
The Jodo Cast Maybe he meant the phantom
Wonder if he was confusing it with a Phantom.
lol i was about to comment too, wait the defender doesnt have a crew slot! hes gotta be talkin about a phantom then.
Every time I watch this I want to pull the game out and play it.
It is usually hard to play with an action figure. These on the other hand are meant to be played with.
I want one now.
Great video! Any chance of a full sw armada review?
Oh mighty indeed was SUASD at the height of their creativity. I met a traveler from an antique land who said ‘indeed they were’.
Funniest intro to date!
Isnt this years old? I feel like i saw it... years... ago...
This is the game that got me into tabletop gaming
Love this game. Can't get enough of it.
I love star wars thanks for the upload! :D
nice review! Will you do Armada as well??
Vi can only hope. X-Wing might be a good game but Armada is a Great game. And with Corellian Conflict? Out of the park!!
it's cool but video reviews are much better! And get more views...
@@Mixxathon Why is the Corellian Conflict so good? I am just getting into Armada, And trying to figure out which things to start with.
I was looking for good tabletop rules, to play with Lego Star Wars sets, this sound like a proper flight plan.
Great review. X Wing is one of those games I go through spurts on - times when I can't get enough of it, then times when it sits on the shelf for months.
Instead of more and more waves of new ships, what I'd really like to see are just "boosters" of pilots, title cards, modifications, etc., that support existing ships, increasing their playability. I'm probably alone in that opinion, though.
No you aren't
I think X-Wing is one of the best games out there, even if you compare it to to boardgames! One day, i played it with 2 friends of mine who were totally new to this game. The game is teached within 10 Minutes, everybody creates his own ship/squad and then you start. So easy to understand, such nice rules and deep decisions (Pilot Level), quick Actions and - in my opinion the funniest part of the game: the movement really matters! It's so much fun to lure a clunky enemy ship into an asteroidfield and outmaneuver it with a tiny speedy A-Wing (totally got you on that) :)
The game length for a 100-Points-Squadran is about an hour - maybe +/- 15 minutes. Totally love it! And the best part is that you don't Need to buy all stuff. The game is so balanced, that you can just buy the ships you like and have fun for years!
X-Wing is an amazing game. Although if you want to play it competetively, the current state of the mata game is pretty annoying...
how so?
There are a few squad archetypes that are incredibly dominant. Some ships are almost entirely non-competetive, one of those being the X-Wing itself, with few exceptions.
So if you make a squad you love, and show up at a tournament with it, if your squad isn't A, B, or C, you're probably going to get stomped and walk away feeling bummed out.
When they say in the review that most games come down to just two ships left, one on each side? The game in 2017 has hit a point where not everything is a viable option to make a balanced game.
The game is still fun and awesome, but if you want to go to tournaments, it's a whole different animal.
And the rules aren't so simple anymore lol. Just look at the latest FAQ. That's what you're expected to at least be somewhat familiar with if you're going to tournaments.
The T65 swings aren't great but I find the T70s are still good. But you're right about some of the ships being downright useless. The A-wing being a prime example.
The Jodo Cast I'm actually debating between xwing and armada. Is the meta any better in armada?
The complication of the rules and lack of balance is really unfortunate, I've had this on my "To-buy" list for years, now.
Argh JEEZ! Pull the table all the way out, my ocd is going haywire!
I play many board n mini games, I love x wing. it's not my favourite, but it could b the best mini game there is
is the big ship in correct scale? looks kinda small with the xwing as reference. it's not the big "mothership" from the movies tho right? ( I only know the star destroyer, idk the name of the rebel's counterpart, which is what I mean) so potentially there'd be even bigger ships?
The capital ships aren't to scale with the fighters. To do so, the capital ships would either be prohibitively large, or the fighters uselessly small.
Quiin Gon Jinn looks like he didn't sleep since the empire took over.
why is this board game review video better thought out and better directed than the last 4 or so Star Wars movies?
I'm not sure if this is even possible, but how can you remove the pegs from the models?
Not just "633 Squadron". Search for "Star Wars Dambusters" - there's two :D
Are you guys going to do a review of Armada?
So Paul got an X-Wing and Quinn got a Z-95 oudated POS. XD
H...How did you fit a Tactician in a Tie Defender?
It has no crew slot...
sad the newer videos don't have these lengthy skits anymore
those are some lovely nails
You love it, and it knows it 😂😂😂
If you’d like something similar, try Ace Patrol on your mobile device of choice.
“Large leak, very dangerous... that’s what my doctor said.”
Is nobody going to mention the blue nails at 14:15 ???
Leandro Ribeiro purple?
I had that Ikea table
Had?
If you saw my X-Wing collection, you would call the police. This is actually an excellent review. Wait a second, whose are those manly hands in the corner at 14:38 with the blue ink painted finger nails ?
At the start of the video, I had the sound off. The way you were standing I thought he didn't put something . . .
Armada or X-wing? Which one should I buy?
@1:44 T Wing. I have no idea what the real name is, but that what it looks like to me
Thought you might be interested in knowing, that ship is called a Z-95 Headhunter. It's the predecessor to the X-Wing. :)
@shutupandsitdown would you guys consider reviewing this game again now that we are in X-Wing 2.0 and the game is somewhat more refined?
What did they do to “refine” it other than making it necessary to take more of your money to stay competitive.
@@billable1861 I would disagree that it takes more money to stay competitive. Id actually say the opposite. Since the points are now all online it prevents old ships from becoming outdated. Majority of ships in the game are competitive. In fact there are a lot of good 3 ship lists that are extremely competitive which means its relatively cheap.
I guess my question is why do you think its more expensive now? I personally haven't experienced that but I'd like to hear your thoughts.
For the record, if you're into the "miniatures game with no downtime" idea, infinity is good
Id do a review of v 2.0 as it's better then v1 to play
An elegant game from a more civilised age.
RIP x-wing
Thank you.
HAHAHAHAHAHA! That's me, but with an American accent. V1 is King with this mindset.
Shit i remember the good old days, when there weren't any jumpmasters ..... I miss those days
Is it worth doing a second edition update?
I'd say so.
Ahh I miss the days when X-Wing wasn’t owned by the graveyard that is Atomic Mass Games
also the models are pretty cool anyway.
What is best ? X-wing Miniatures or Armada? i watched both reviews and they both look like 2 good games... i need some advice.. which one should i start to buy first ? and play ?
Personally if you're not already into any miniatures games neither. the battle tech beginner box is probably the best miniatures game for beginners but if you have some miniatures games armada is probably better if you ask me
lol i wonder what they'd say today.
was a great game. Now it has too many cards and a threat lack of balance.
it still wants your money.
Tie Interceptor is the best fighter in Star Wars.
I'd repaint it
Publisher support to make you pay more money? Have you tried MtG (which I call Magic the Collecting)? Still, looks a lot of fun (for a war game?) (actually, it sounds pretty cool!)
Guys... one of the things I love is how well the game is supported. Now... they have colored stands (blue, red, purple, etc) to further separate your squadrons. I own, the "Wings of Glory" system (WWI) and agree that it is great to play. Yes, it is a major cash cow, but as "cash cows" go, they don't come better looking and with more variety. Where I tend to draw the line is the very large ships. That is where one should invest in "Armada". Great review... love the goofing about, and keep up the good work.
Why did you put extra spaces between all your words? It makes it painful to read.
wheres the reference pear?
Hahahahaha. Loved this!
Then criticized the prequels and now with the sequels out you realize that the prequels were pretty good... they weren't the originals but they sure as hell weren't the sequels.
No, the prequels are still garbage. TLJ was refreshing and nowhere near deserved the amount of rage and clickbait youtube videos it got.
sooo... star destroyer "mini" when?
Good Video! Seems abit anachronistic though... You guys mention the CR90 as a new release and refer to Rebel Aces as an "upcoming expansion"....they have been out for years now? There are also 3 factions now! (Scum and Villainy being the 3rd), and the Competitive Scene, particularly in Europe, has been booming these past two years.
This is a re-upload of a much older video :)
Is there a game that uses rules like this but is modern fighter jets?
19:03 sit down and shut up... about anything that isn't star wars?
3:40 And now they restarted it,so all the only thing you can use in 2.0 is the miniatures you got and thats it the cards are on a app,the tokens and other parts are redesigned so you have to get the new boxes to play,on top of that there are damage decks for each faction
The new things don’t come with cards?
Well yes, you do need to buy the conversion kits to make all your 1.0 stuff playable in 2.0. And yes, the points for each card are on the app, so that they can be changed if something ever ends up being unbalanced. But the cards and cardboard are still real things that you can hold in your hand. The conversion kits, with the exception of a damage deck and maneuver templates, come with everything you need to play your old collection!
Also, no; not every faction has its own damage deck. The damage deck is the same in every printing of it. Rather, Fantasy Flight has begun selling damage decks that have a purely aesthetic feature to them, in which ships from each faction are displayed on the card, along with where said ship has been damaged. Again, those are purely aesthetic, and are not needed in order to play your favorite faction!
Hi @@billable1861. The person above, whether intentionally or not, is spreading misinformation about X-Wing 2.0. I would recommend that you take a look at the reply I posted to their comment. From there, if you have any other questions, I'd be happy to answer them for you. Thank you for your consideration. :)
Interesting way to approach it different than getting detailed in the mechanics.
I'm impressed the way FFG's hasn't duplicated pilot abilities and ship & upgrade capabilities while still maintaining the feel of the SW universe and what the special abilities of those particular characters would be ie. Poe Dameron's focus or Vaders two actions per turn.
There can be a lot of time invested (besides money) in pre-game squad building. obstacle and squad placement are very important yet glossed over in most videos and FFG's info outside of Paul Heaver's old Turn Zero article on their site which only explains so much. a new player just won't get the importance. They should explain that better.
It's almost like building an RPG character and party prior to gameplay.
One thing is the force awakens learn to play guide says nothing about not being able to put maneuver templates down to gage movement prior to selecting them. but the 2012 core set does. I think the 2012 rules of play are written better and more accessible in plain english. but that was before the game got so unexpectedly huge by FFG's admission. the FA rules reference is excellent though with cross referenced glossary of terms but they should communicate the fact there are FAQ pdf's on their site with more than important info at least for competitive player. they had to decide on consistent text to fit on cards. But even then players on the wiki site have to ask for clarification there's more than 500 upgrades.
It's odd the core sets have not indication it's a core set except for what I call a graphic design eater egg in small print above the UPC code. A major selling point missed especially when they say core set needed to play prominently on the expansion packs. It's really a Starter Core set imho it has the ships cards dials to get started and the core components to play any game of X-wing. I need to know that a lot more than designed by I can't remember his name lol It's a euro game publisher trend to put a designers' name on it like an author of a book which doesn't mean much to players imho. nice touch for the designer. but not a selling point at all.
The competitive meta game unfortunately makes certain lists ubiquitous to the point a new player thinks those are the only ships in the game when there's over 60. Jumpmasters need to be NERF'd with a giant NERF upgrade card for everyone else. Not bad for a ship that' snot in the movies and Dengar a PS 9(!?!)
The reason there's no prequel ships outside of the ARC-170 rebel retrofit and a shuttle token in the 2012 core set imho is the game's called X-wing meaning original trilogy and beyond with the exception of rogue one. It should be called U-boat lol the game design balance would be out of wack probably with the prequel ship capabilities.
My random thoughts
MTFBWY
Is this star wars tabletop?
What with all the bikes
most excellent
The only problem I have with this game is that it's very slow
I realize this video was from over a year ago, but I just subscribed to you guys. I love your reviews. But I'd just like to point out the little known trivia that "Tantive" is correctly pronounced with three syllables, not two. TAN-tah-vee. Have fun, guys.
A bi-wing
Would have been better if they weren't so expensive
OK GUYS!!!! One of the best vids!!!! Entertaining as ever... even Jeremy Clarkson couldn't do better...
At least it is cheaper than warhammer
it annoyed me that the first thing i thought was 'it's pronounced TAN-TIVVY'
It's a FFG money-pit...just one dice pak? Silly rabbit!
prequels are good.
I spy Labyrinth on the shelf. What do I need to do to play Labyrinth with you guys?
I am an avid board gamer and i don't know why but miniature games never piqued my interest...
piqued.
Robbie Keith The cost is sure a factor (as all collectible games are) but especially in miniatures games i don't like the gameplay so much. I play board games for the intricate systems and puzzles that i have to manage and solve and this kind of games don't manage to offer me that. Even abstracts manage to satisfy me but not miniatures.
Wait, you have to paint the minis?
SA-X no they come pre painted. And they are beautiful.
@@nickgraham8088 were is the fun in that