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Lolol, I listened to the whole ad of NordVPN, it was fun understanding it, since I heard it so often before in English. Which company can say, they have an ad in Latin 😂😅👍
God Loves you so much, We are wrong doers and no one is righteous our punishment of Our wrongs is death and seperation from God good news is God so Loved the world that He Gave His Son Jesus in this world 2000 years ago in a Small Town called Bethlehem in Israel He did many miracles Healing The Blind The Lame The Lepers The Deaf The possesed rising The Dead Walking on stormy sea turning water into wine, A Woman, Washed His Feet with Her Hair and tears, This is A Sign of Honour He was despised and rejected of Man He had no beauty that We should desire Him (Meaning He looked like any Israelite Man from His Era He came on this earth to take our deserving punishment on The Cross, He served people like a Real King He was beaten tortured Had stripes on His back had A Crown of Thorns Hands and feet pierced with Nails and a spear pierced His Heart on The Cross He shouted IT IS FINISHED meaning there is no more need for sacrifical animal atonement 3 days later Christ rose victoriously from the dead and appeared to His disciples and stayed on this earth for a month and a half and then ascended to Heaven and now is at The Right Hand of God and will come back in the clouds to judge All wearing A Crown with A Sword in His Mouth and wirh a Army of Angelsriding on White horses , to be saved and be assured u wil go to Heaven you must Believe and say Jesus The Son of God is Lord and Believe in your Heart God raised Him from the dead u will be saved, good works dont earn salvation The Only Way to Heaven is Christ good works dont outweigh bad works Turn away from all malice and wicked ways of This world and tell others about what God has done for all God will always Love u nothing can seperate us from The Love of God He is with u always He will never leave u nor forsake u Read Deuteronomy 31:8
I don't think it can be overstated how invaluable it is to have an ancestor language and its modern descendant compared not in a stiff academic manner, but with the natural prosody of casual conversation--all those pauses, the mumbling, etc. Of course it's important to have examples where the language is spoken cleanly and clearly, but I don't know if there's any other video on the entire internet like this one, where the comparison arises organically through a natural conversation, it's quite unique. These practical demonstrations you make are an invaluable companion piece to the explanatory videos, great work as always!
Latin evolved to completely different language, miracle how they went from classical Latin to pizza singing Italiano while Greeks kept ancient form to this day
Oh great!! I would like to visit Sicily. I have been in Italy twice before. The Greek Sicilian and Calabrese are interesting. They have also linguistic fossils.
@@cazwalt9013 It has to do a lot with Katharevousa too, so one who speaks a dialect knows at least 3 standards, the standard modern language, the literary Katharevousa influence embedded in it(the word έαρ is known because of the quite frequent use of the literary word εαρινός) , and the dialect, the also may know (some) Ancient Greek(Classical) because of education, (some)Katharevousa maybe if they study history-read old texts-education, Koine Greek and Medieval in relation to church matters like psalms. So it's not that simple. The pronunciation is different only in dialects though.
It's so charming to see how when Thanos finally understands what Luke is saying, they both cheer up and smile - it's like when you're talking to a person in their own native language and they perk up when they hear it. It's just so human and nice to see.
As a native Greek speaker if I pay attention enough to spoken ancient Greek I can understand everything actually, maybe some words might be off bc of the atypical pronunciation Luke is using here, but seeing it written it makes it even easier. I'd say modern Greek is much less changed from Koine than Italian is to classical Latin in fact
Sì, sicuramente, un po' per la perdita dei casi (ma quella non è una barriera grande quanto si potrebbe pensare anche se lo è) , e un po' per le evoluzioni sintattiche e morfologiche. Non sono per forza tante, ma sono avvenute in punti cruciali per la mutua comprensione di latino e italiano. Per esempio il fatto di fare il futuro dalla contrazione dell'infinito con il Verbo "avere" coniugato. Una novità morfologica che non c'era in latino. Ma al tempo stesso una barriera in più avendo un aspetto così diverso dal futuro latino. Per la sintassi direi l'uso così diffuso di clitici e enclitici laddove il latino è molto stringato e la funzione diversa attribuita alle subordinate, che rende difficilmente intelligibili le due lingue.
I agree with you on the closeness with koine and modern Greek. I'm learning modern Greek and I have never really studied ancient Greek, but I have read multiple books of the new testament in the original koine and understood it pretty well, albeit it is easier to understand in demotic Greek.
Hey Luke, not sure if you make it to Southern Italy often, but it'd be cool to try practicing Greek wit the Calabrian Greek or Griko communities! Great video as always
@@bacicinvatteneaca Griko is not a romance language, no. It's a Greek dialect with lots of Romance loan words. Here's a romanized comparison of Griko and standard Greek: Griko: evó pánta se séna penséo, yatí séna fsihí mu 'gapó, ce pu páo, pu sírno, pu stéo stin kardiá mu pánta séna vastó Greek: egó pánda eséna skéftome yatí eséna psihí mu agaṕo ke ópu páo, ópu sérno, ópu stéko stin kardiá mu pánda eséna vastó English: I always think of you because I love you, my soul, and wherever I go, wherever I drag myself to, wherever I stand, inside my heart I always hold you. You can see the only romance word here in Griko is 'penseo' which is akin to Italian 'penso' and means 'I think'. Other than that it's completely Greek. On the other hand Mozarabic is very much a romance language.
Actually the greek guy speaks italian pretty well, if they never told me he was greek i could have mistaken him for a native italian speaker. (P.s. i am italian of course)
As a Greek I can tell this guy has a somewhat obvious Greek accent. The easiest way to tell is how he pronounces his vowels, as well as the cadence - which is more even per syllable than Italian.
Man you are amazing, greetings from Cyprus, the other Greek country. Many of those ancient terms that you've used, like "pothen", "areskoun" are still being used here but not in Greece.
As someone who speaks the Cypriot dialect of Greek, I have to say that I had a very easy time understanding your ancient Greek. Maybe some Calabrians in Italy who speak the old form of Greek would feel the same.
I get so much encouragement my the joy and enthusiasm Luke has. When I feel embarrassed or awkward speaking Latin, I try to remember the confidence that Luke always promotes in all his content.
This is true in my case too. I'm the only person in my university campus to encourage other latin students to speak the language, I do this by randomly switching to latin and asking them various questions. In doing so I feel so much like Lūcius :DD
Πραγματικά ήταν μια πολύ καλή και ενδιαφέρουσα συζήτηση. Μια ανάδειξη των δυο κύριων αρχαίων Ευρωπαϊκών γλωσσών την Αρχαίας Ελληνικής και Αρχαίας Ιταλικής ( Λατινικής ) που επηρεάζουν παρά πολλές άλλες γλώσσες έως και σήμερα! Δύο γλώσσες αδερφές, δύο πολιτισμών, που από την αρχαιότητα θεμελίωσαν τον σύγχρονο πολιτισμό. Καλή συνέχεια σε αυτό το υπέροχο ταξίδι, στο ταξίδι της εμβάθυνσης της Αρχαίας Ελληνικής, Νεοελληνικής και Λατινικής γλώσσας! Σας ευχαριστούμε! Από την Ελλάδα πολλούς χαιρετισμούς!
Αίλουρος which is associate with cat in ancient greek means "thing that wiggles its tail" in modern greek ουρά means "tail" quite an interesting find. :)
As a greek guy who has a basic knowledge of the italian language I found this video really interesting. I'm also surprised by the fact that as a modern Greek speaker I understood the majority of this video something that proves the great connection between Ancient Greek, Latin and Modern Greek languages. Great video👏
I noticed that Greeks are more familiar with ancient Greek than Italians with Latin. That's my impression, compared to your other video speaking Latin to Italians
You can certainly communicate better with my 80yo Cypriot mother. The syntax of the original Cypriot dialect- not the one that is used nowadays, especially the cities- is exactly the same as Koine, plus the vocabulary is much more similar. No Cypriot would find difficult to answer any questions starting with πόθεν. Πόθεν is also used in standard expressions in Modern Greek as well, like πόθεν έσχες.
Interesting to notice the Indo-European connection - Ancient Greek and "Classical" Latin still were phonologically close one each other enough, switch from one to the other is seamless. Really like the way you approach these Languages, not as hyeratic and crystallized, but as something which still is perfectly viable and useful to this day.
A walk around Akropolis in a classic dress asking for directions to the Akademia, chatting about weather, food and debating the Sokratean vs Aristotelean concepts. 😉
Καταπληκτικός, μπράβο για την προσπάθεια, είναι μεγάλο κίνητρο για τους γλωσσομαθεις να βλέπουνε τέτοια βίντεο. Σε ευχαριστούμε για το όμορφο που δίνεις στη ζωή μας!!!!
I met an indonesian guy sometime ago. He learnt Greek in Aristotle University of Thessaloniki. His Greek were wayyyyyyyyyy better than mine. He spoke almost in Katharevousa!!! I just admired him. Even my demotic sucks big time. But cool video. Im glad I actually understood the ancient Greek and I was able to understand most Latin too.
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Hello Luke...always lovely to see your new videos....today it was most exciting for me because your Greek sounded so much like Cypriot Greek....syntax....expressions ....etc...I speak Cypriot Greek....originally from the Island of Cyprus... have a good day Luke..
This was an excellent idea and the result is really enjoyable. Having studied both languages at school, I feel like this channel is giving meaning and a whole new perspective to the choice I made when I was 14 and everyone was asking me why I was studying ancient languages. By the way, I am from Istanbul, with mixed Turkish background (parents and grandparents from Istanbul, Bosnia, Thessaloniki, Skopje), attended a Catholic school in Naples as a child, went to university in Milan and then in Brussels, where I learned French. I teach, but the truth is I will always be a student at heart.
After watching the video, I can say this: Good job to both of you. It definitely wasn't easy (in fact more of a struggle) but it goes to show what brilliant minds can attain. Well done! Great inspiration for the rest of us!
Didnt seem like a struggle to me, at least not the Greek parts. That's like me visiting a remote village in Crete. Yes, you need a few sentences so your ears adapt to the different accents and idioms, but after a few minutes you can communicate at 80-90% capacity.
I don't speak any ancient Greek... or at least I thought I wasn't until now. When I was reading the text I could understand like 95% and I missed like 3-4 words only. The hard part was to understand the ancient Greek by the pronunciation. I don't know how ancient Greeks were pronouncing the words but I felt like the accent was making the pronunciation more difficult for me in some parts. Why I say this... in Greek church they still use the Koine Greek and even though they have also different pronunciation it feels more natural to my ears. Would love to see a native Greek with your knowledge in ancient Greek. Its amazing how good you are in ancient Greek. Like really amazing!!!
I'm greek and I never really thought learning ancient Greek would help me any time soon (it's not like Sofoklis will suddenly appear and have a conversation with me)but watching the two of you talk like that was very interesting. I gotta visit you when I finish high school and converse with you in ancient Greek haha
When the ads in Latin are thoroughly entertaining (and educational), as well as the content, you can bet your cookies that you won't find a channel like this every day. Thank you!
Questo episodio è formidabile! E il greco moderno è una pura delizia per le orecchie come lo scoprire il greco antico con una pronuncia che suona naturalmente, istintivamente più "genuina", viva, di quella imparata a scuola nei paesi nordici.
Modern Greek pronunciation sounds so much more natural and flows so much better that I think western academia needs to revise its convictions about Ancient Greek pronunciation and stop blaming modern Greeks for not agreeing with / liking the Erasmian and other academic approaches.
In Italy, at 13, we can choose our high school. If you choose "Classico" you'll study both Latin and Greek (Classico and Scientifico are the most choosen high schools).
I love how, when Thanos speaks italian, his palatal affricates sound more like alveolar ones. This, coupled with his retracted s and the fact that he does not double his consonants (all due to the phonological system of his mother tongue, of course), makes it feel almost like a northern italian speaker, particularly from the Emilia Romania region (the way he says Ingegnere is extremely typical); yet, there is not a complete overlap with how such a speaker would sound like. This actually surprised me at first, since those very characteristic sounds are very similar, but it seems like the difference in intonation patterns (maybe even different vowel qualities, but I'd have to rewatch the video to make sure) makes the two accents very distinct from one another. Thank you for your wonderful videos, Luke!
Actually Thanos pronunciation is a bit mixed in my opinion... His general cadence could be more Pugliese (from Apulia) or Sardo (from Sardinia) in many ways, but he pronounces S as SH (fricativa alveolare sorda) and a very open E like Emilians do 😉
It’s always fascinating how Latin went from classical masterpiece language to Pizza singing Italiano, and how, on the other hand Greek language kept that ancient form to this day
This video has persuaded me that Modern Greek and Italian are essentially the same languages as their respective ancestors, Ancient Greek and Latin. What makes them appear different are the change of the pronunciation (which is a matter of what the speaker in every generation finds convenient to say) and some conventions and habits, different by the period of history. For example the words "αίλουρος" and "έαρ" are not forgotten by native Greek speakers, but almost no native speaker would use either nowadays to refer to a cat and the springtime. This applies to the Italian language which sometimes is like Latin with modern pronunciation. In the video two people were able to communicate despite each one speaking in different languages.
@@rawlenyanzi6686 mujer is in Castilian language. Remember that in reality there's no language called Spanish. Mujer in Castilian, Mulher (pronounced mulier) in Portuguese.
I am really happy to see a video like this! As someone who has had to work in a field where sometimes I end up speaking to non or partially english speakers I discovered early on that even a dabbling into latin combined with comparing technical documents [I was tech support] between the english, french and spanish options really helped me to pick up what people where trying to tell me when they didn't have a language I really understood! And while I am woefully undereducated in latin or any greek it was cool to read and hear words in these languages and realize I understood some. :)
I must say that despite the small pronunciation errors you've done while speaking Ancient Greek, I was able to understand all of what you said. It's the most interesting comparison I have ever seen. Thank you for your efforts.
Koine Greek is close to identical to Modern Greek. Like the engineer on this video, I can almost fully understand a language spoken since approximately the 4th BC. I find this really cool... *Edit:* the pronouncation proposed for the Ancient and Koine Greek is something that creates problems. Take for example the word "kinematographikai" mentioned in the end of this video; it's a mess. I believe this was not the pronunciation of the ancient Greeks, though it is probably close to it. I for example believe that not all diphthongs were pronounced as proposed today for the ancient and Koine Greek, ie each latter being pronounced separately from the other (as not being combined into a diphthong). There're surely developments in the Greek language, and those who studied its evolution the last centuries, are not fools at all. Yet, they came into obstacles they havent yet overcome. It is well known at the same time that all these theories began the period that followed the fall of the Eastern Roman Empire (where the official language was Greek), which was being seen as the "West's" enemy, and those who resisted the Erasmian pronunciation were not taken seriously because of a supposed (a non-existed) intellectual superioty of the West over what was for a millennia above all "The" intelectual enemy (the "Byzantines"). On these grounds we began to get these theories about the ancient and koine Greek pronunciation. Many western scholars resisted firmly these theories since they appeared, they still do, for almost a half millennia. In short I do not fully accept these kind of pronunciations, which in order to solve these problems some came to, for example, propose that the Greek letter "Gamma" (which in Greek sounds like the "y" in "yet" or like the "w" in "what") was actually pronounced like the english/latin "G", the Greek "Beta" (which in Greek sounds like the "v" in "vital") like the english/latin "B" etc.
Luka I actually understand when you speak Ancient Greek for the most part. The pronunciation takes a bit of getting used to but what a great video! Modern Greek is a direct descendant of Ancient Greek so there is a lot of intelligibility. Let us know if you ever come to Greece. I am sure many people will like to meet and speak with you!
Τελείωσα το Λύκειο το 1979. Τότε κάναμε αρχαία ελληνικά διαρκώς για 6 χρόνια, φυσικά από το πρωτότυπο κείμενο, χωρίς μεταφράσεις. Μάλιστα απαγορευόταν να φέρεις μετάφραση στο σχολείο, γιατί κυκλοφορούσαν μεταφράσεις σαν βοηθήματα για τους μαθητές. Παράλληλα για έξη συναπτά έτη μαθαίναμε και Λατινικά, ειδικά τα παιδιά, όπως εγώ, που είχαμε επιλέξει το Κλασικό τμήμα στο Λύκειο. Αντίστοιχα μπορούσες να επιλέξεις το Πρακτικό, που ήταν το άλλο τμήμα με πιο πολλά μαθήματα θετικής κατεύθυνσης. Όπως καταλαβαίνετε, μαθαίνοντας στην ουσία δύο άλλες γλώσσες, σε υψηλό επίπεδο δυσκολίας, είχαμε μάθει να μιλάμε πολύ καλά και τις δύο. Βέβαια το θέμα είναι ότι δεν είχες κάποιον να μιλήσεις στα αρχαία ή στα λατινικά, οπότε μετά όταν περάσαμε στις πανεπιστημιακές σχολές, ξεχάστηκαν σε χρόνο τε-τε. Αλλά τελικά όλο και κάτι μένει, γιατί δεν μπορεί ένας μαθητής να συγκρατήσει όλο τον όγκο μάθησης, αλλά διευρύνονται οι γνώσεις του, αφήνοντας κατά κάποιο τρόπο, μια παρακαταθήκη.
Usually I just skip the sponsorship part of the videos, but for the first time I actually replayed it 😅 I heard a lot of spoken latin by now, but never in this accent that I would heard in a shopping mall. So strange and beautiful. Made me wish to live in a place where I would just normally hear latin in the public places.
Thank god the pronunciation of the Greek language changed to drop unnecessary tones, grouped some sounds together (e.g. αι, ε sound the same like e in terror, also η, ι, οι, ει which make the same giota/i), etc. There are differences and you can't use these interchangeably (unless you want to be -rightfully- ridiculed), but after starting studying Japanese I came to admire how the Greek language progressed through the centuries, especially in a not-so-isolated part of the world with constant conquests/wars/etc. Reading ancient text is probably easier for most Greeks than hearing it, since although pronunciation changed, the words did not (mostly). I can start reading ancient Greek with modern pronunciation and make good sense, but if I were to follow the accent used, most would get very little falling victim to οι, αι, etc. The reason this is the case is because Greek is mostly a semantic language. Most words have a direct meaning and the roots have remained intact across the centuries. For example 'lexicon' might mean anything to one who doesn't know it, but it comes from the greek word λέξη, meaning word. So if I see 'λεξ-' somewhere I immediately have an inclination of what to think. Obviously, not every possible word can have such a meaning, there must be a source. Again I think the Greek language excels at this by utilizing the environment. If I remember correctly, ρέω (flow-verb) or ροή (flow-noun) simulates the sound of the water running down the river hitting the rocks. "Ρρρρρρρρρρρρ". Many sources of words come from examples such as this. Or maybe, some even from emotional cues/weights. The ancient Greeks were after all saying that the language educates the mind. Learning Kanji, I notices some similarities in what essentially each language tries to achieve. The advantage of the Greek language is that it comes with an alphabet. Imagine trying to compress such complexity in 24 letters. I can blame every last thing in the sh******* my country is but the language. The language is a work of art.
Funnily enough before the alphabet Greek used Lineal-B (and perhaps other systems) which is a syllabary with some ideograms just like Japanese with hiragana+kanji.
As a greek i think latin it's a little easier than ancient greek. At school they always seemed easier to me than ancient Greek. For a foreigner who doesn't speak greek the ancient are very difficult, so really good for you and your pronunciation is quite good congratulations!!! 👏👏😊🇬🇷
Εξαιρετικός όπως πάντα ο Ροΐδης. Αν και ολίγοι, οι συγγραφείς της καθαρεύουσας άφησαν το ανεξίτηλο αποτύπωμά τους στον Ελληνισμό. Αξίζει επίσης η ανάγνωση της «Πάπισσας Ιωάννας».
You should do a video comparing Latin to Armenian, either Classical or modern. You’d be surprised at the similarities, especially in the grammar. For example, Armenian has the same type of declensions as Latin. On top of that, about 30% of words were borrowed from Greek after the invasion by Alexander the Great (another large percentage come from Pahlavi).
This was fascinating to watch as a Greek Cypriot. Πόθεν and αρέσκει are the Cypriot words in common use for "where" and "like". My late grandmother who was born around 1900 had an interesting vocabulary and pronunciation: Κυριακή (Sunday) was cherkachi and chair was tsaera. Τετάρτη (Wednesday) was τετράη and morning was το πορνόν. Interestingly the old English word for church is ċiriċe which comes from Κυριακή which means "of the lord".
Man...I enjoyed it so much...I'd love watching a video where you discuss about modern and ancient greek with native Greeks. I volunteer as well if you re interested for a video.
Dude, I am laughing so hard from your VPN commercial...that is the coolest vpn commercial I have ever seen/heard. I felt like I was in a parallel universe. Magnificent. Your videos are great, man. I'm so glad I bumped into them. Immediately subbed/notified to your channels, thanks!
Can overall understand Latin from knowing Spanish and French. Greek influenced a bunch of languages such as Russian and Ukrainian which I also use so I was picking up some of the Greek.
As a Greek who speaks 4 languages I did understand the 85% -90% percent of everything you have said. I took lessons of Ancient Greek on my high school. Great Job of explaining and speaking. Both of you, did excellent. Great accents in Greek, Latin and Italian.
I remember watching a video long time ago where some guy asked random Greek people in the streets whether or not they could understand ancient Greek, and most of them said it's like a different language. But this chap in the video seemed to understand you pretty well. Maybe you used a familiar pronunciation? But that's really cool either way!
Yeah! Well, Thanos is a brilliant man, both in general and in the languages he has studied. He has studied Ancient Greek in school, and Greeks in general have more familiarity with AG than Italians with Latin. I also let him know before we started some of the pronunciation differences like the vowel sounds. In any case, it was fun
Well, it really depends on the content. The other person (I remember the video you're talking about) was showing people extracts from the Iliad or from Plato, which have either way to complex story telling or way to intricate philosophical debates. Here, Luke is trying to converse, which is of course much simpler to infer from context.
If I remember right, that video was on Easy Greek, and he used modern Greek pronunciation. So it was the subject matter and the age of the Greek text (several centuries BC), not the pronunciation, that made it hard.
We have to say that ancient Greek itself has varied a lot through time. I'm guessing that the language the Mycenaean spoke was very different from the Greek Alexander spoke in Macedonia. Different eras and different language development
Young greeks say this very often because most of them have never tried to read a single ancient text so they thing it would be difficult . For the average Greek who reads a lot and his vocabulary is not that small ancient greek is not that hard. also many young Greeks dont know that most of the ancient words are present today in Greek language because most of the words we use are composite words that derive from the ancient ones - whenever i point this out to any greek and he realizes this fact with his own eyes he is looking at me with surprise in his eyes lol
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God Loves you so much, We are wrong doers and no one is righteous our punishment of Our wrongs is death and seperation from God good news is God so Loved the world that He Gave His Son Jesus in this world 2000 years ago in a Small Town called Bethlehem in Israel He did many miracles Healing The Blind The Lame The Lepers The Deaf The possesed rising The Dead Walking on stormy sea turning water into wine, A Woman, Washed His Feet with Her Hair and tears, This is A Sign of Honour He was despised and rejected of Man He had no beauty that We should desire Him (Meaning He looked like any Israelite Man from His Era He came on this earth to take our deserving punishment on The Cross, He served people like a Real King He was beaten tortured Had stripes on His back had A Crown of Thorns Hands and feet pierced with Nails and a spear pierced His Heart on The Cross He shouted IT IS FINISHED meaning there is no more need for sacrifical animal atonement 3 days later Christ rose victoriously from the dead and appeared to His disciples and stayed on this earth for a month and a half and then ascended to Heaven and now is at The Right Hand of God and will come back in the clouds to judge All wearing A Crown with A Sword in His Mouth and wirh a Army of Angelsriding on White horses , to be saved and be assured u wil go to Heaven you must Believe and say Jesus The Son of God is Lord and Believe in your Heart God raised Him from the dead u will be saved, good works dont earn salvation The Only Way to Heaven is Christ good works dont outweigh bad works Turn away from all malice and wicked ways of This world and tell others about what God has done for all God will always Love u nothing can seperate us from The Love of God He is with u always He will never leave u nor forsake u Read Deuteronomy 31:8
@@salvatresxx ok, but when someone doesn't believe they get death, yes? Sorry, but this religion is way too negative for me.
why are u using Z instead of TH in words like manTHano? understand? an old professor of mine said that's bad reconstructed pronunciation. Z is not TH
I don't think it can be overstated how invaluable it is to have an ancestor language and its modern descendant compared not in a stiff academic manner, but with the natural prosody of casual conversation--all those pauses, the mumbling, etc. Of course it's important to have examples where the language is spoken cleanly and clearly, but I don't know if there's any other video on the entire internet like this one, where the comparison arises organically through a natural conversation, it's quite unique. These practical demonstrations you make are an invaluable companion piece to the explanatory videos, great work as always!
Nice to see you on here! I just discovered you a few weeks ago
Nice seeing you here 👍
That’s really nice of you to say, Farya, especially since I hate how inarticulate I am here haha. But I’m glad it has a useful purpose nonetheless
A pleasant surprise to see the son of Souvlakis here
Latin evolved to completely different language, miracle how they went from classical Latin to pizza singing Italiano while Greeks kept ancient form to this day
As Sicilian it makes me cry listening the ancient languages of my ancestors especially the ancient greek ❤ Una faccia una razza
Anch'io Siciliano, sto imparando il Greco.
Μία φάτσα μία ράτσα.
Oh great!! I would like to visit Sicily. I have been in Italy twice before. The Greek Sicilian and Calabrese are interesting. They have also linguistic fossils.
@PONTICUS 🇷🇺 and Norman
Si
Sicilian = African
ora piange
As a greek Cypriot i understand a lot of ancient greek. And thats because the greek Cypriot dialect has a lot of greek ancient words
The majority of modern Greek words are from ancient Greek like the Super majority. I love how preserved this language is.
@@cazwalt9013 It has to do a lot with Katharevousa too, so one who speaks a dialect knows at least 3 standards, the standard modern language, the literary Katharevousa influence embedded in it(the word έαρ is known because of the quite frequent use of the literary word εαρινός) , and the dialect, the also may know (some) Ancient Greek(Classical) because of education, (some)Katharevousa maybe if they study history-read old texts-education, Koine Greek and Medieval in relation to church matters like psalms. So it's not that simple. The pronunciation is different only in dialects though.
Η προφορά κι η σύνταξη ειδικά, όπως στη λέξη αλλά με 2 λ και το "αρέσκει σοι" που μοιάζει με το "αρέσκει σου"
@@ΝεκτάριοςΧριστοφή Katharevousa is a conlang
Yes indeed. I am Pontian / Macedonian. When I was working in Cyprus, I was the suprised how many ancient words you use !
I love greek. For me it might be the most beautiful language in the world.
4:00 I didn't even realize I was watching ads in Latin 😂😂😂
The most effective marketing 👍
Awesome! Haha I’m glad
I LOVE the trilingual subtitles! It's like having my own Rosetta monument! 😆👍🏻
Wonderful way of putting it! 🤣👌
It's so charming to see how when Thanos finally understands what Luke is saying, they both cheer up and smile - it's like when you're talking to a person in their own native language and they perk up when they hear it. It's just so human and nice to see.
Hehe yes it was a nice chat
As a native Greek speaker if I pay attention enough to spoken ancient Greek I can understand everything actually, maybe some words might be off bc of the atypical pronunciation Luke is using here, but seeing it written it makes it even easier. I'd say modern Greek is much less changed from Koine than Italian is to classical Latin in fact
Sì, sicuramente, un po' per la perdita dei casi (ma quella non è una barriera grande quanto si potrebbe pensare anche se lo è) , e un po' per le evoluzioni sintattiche e morfologiche. Non sono per forza tante, ma sono avvenute in punti cruciali per la mutua comprensione di latino e italiano.
Per esempio il fatto di fare il futuro dalla contrazione dell'infinito con il Verbo "avere" coniugato. Una novità morfologica che non c'era in latino. Ma al tempo stesso una barriera in più avendo un aspetto così diverso dal futuro latino.
Per la sintassi direi l'uso così diffuso di clitici e enclitici laddove il latino è molto stringato e la funzione diversa attribuita alle subordinate, che rende difficilmente intelligibili le due lingue.
Προφανως τα ιταλικα σημερα δεν εχουν παρα ελαχιστη σχεση με τα λατινικα. Η πιο κοντινη γλωσσα στα λατινικα ειναι τα σαρδηνιακα αν δεν απατωμαι
@@marcopolo2395 Όσον αφορά το λεξιλόγιο έχουν και μάλιστα πολύ.
@@marcopolo2395
Ελάχιστη σχέση τα ιταλικά με τα λατινικά ? Αστειεύεσαι.
I agree with you on the closeness with koine and modern Greek. I'm learning modern Greek and I have never really studied ancient Greek, but I have read multiple books of the new testament in the original koine and understood it pretty well, albeit it is easier to understand in demotic Greek.
Hey Luke, not sure if you make it to Southern Italy often, but it'd be cool to try practicing Greek wit the Calabrian Greek or Griko communities! Great video as always
Some day!
I've heard that Griko is a confusing name like Mozarabian - it's a romance language with tons of loanwords
@@bacicinvatteneaca Griko is not a romance language, no. It's a Greek dialect with lots of Romance loan words. Here's a romanized comparison of Griko and standard Greek:
Griko:
evó pánta se séna penséo,
yatí séna fsihí mu 'gapó,
ce pu páo, pu sírno, pu stéo
stin kardiá mu pánta séna vastó
Greek:
egó pánda eséna skéftome
yatí eséna psihí mu agaṕo
ke ópu páo, ópu sérno, ópu stéko
stin kardiá mu pánda eséna vastó
English:
I always think of you
because I love you, my soul,
and wherever I go, wherever I drag myself to, wherever I stand,
inside my heart I always hold you.
You can see the only romance word here in Griko is 'penseo' which is akin to Italian 'penso' and means 'I think'. Other than that it's completely Greek.
On the other hand Mozarabic is very much a romance language.
@@bacicinvatteneaca A romance dialect spoken by greeks is Vlachic/Aromanian.Griko is absolutely hellenic.
@@Philoglossos 2 Hellenic languages/dialects. Greko(Calabrian Greek) is more closer to Modern Standard Greek than Griko(in Salento, the one you wrote)
Actually the greek guy speaks italian pretty well, if they never told me he was greek i could have mistaken him for a native italian speaker. (P.s. i am italian of course)
Si sente che è straniero
@@diegone080 Sì ma solo dopo 20-30 secondi che parla
As a Greek I can tell this guy has a somewhat obvious Greek accent. The easiest way to tell is how he pronounces his vowels, as well as the cadence - which is more even per syllable than Italian.
@@diegone080 a me sembra più che altro un accento della provincia di Nuoro
Man you are amazing, greetings from Cyprus, the other Greek country. Many of those ancient terms that you've used, like "pothen", "areskoun" are still being used here but not in Greece.
"Pothen" is also used in Greece, but only in formal writings
i recognise your pfp from an old fridge magnet that i think i still have
As someone who speaks the Cypriot dialect of Greek, I have to say that I had a very easy time understanding your ancient Greek.
Maybe some Calabrians in Italy who speak the old form of Greek would feel the same.
Απρόσμενο βίντεο! Μ' άρεσε πολύ πώς μερικές φορές σε μπέρδεψε, Λούκιε, εσένα η νεοελληνική προφορά.
Εξαιρετικό! 👍🏻 Και χαιρετισμούς από Θεσσαλονίκη! 🎉
I'm convinced Luke is a time traveler at this point.
If only
White guy shocking Romans with perfect Latin when?
I get so much encouragement my the joy and enthusiasm Luke has. When I feel embarrassed or awkward speaking Latin, I try to remember the confidence that Luke always promotes in all his content.
That's very kind. I'm really just average. But editing videos allows them to seem nicer in the way you compliment me here. Thanks.
This is true in my case too. I'm the only person in my university campus to encourage other latin students to speak the language, I do this by randomly switching to latin and asking them various questions. In doing so I feel so much like Lūcius :DD
Πραγματικά ήταν μια πολύ καλή και ενδιαφέρουσα συζήτηση. Μια ανάδειξη των δυο κύριων αρχαίων Ευρωπαϊκών γλωσσών την Αρχαίας Ελληνικής και Αρχαίας Ιταλικής ( Λατινικής ) που επηρεάζουν παρά πολλές άλλες γλώσσες έως και σήμερα! Δύο γλώσσες αδερφές, δύο πολιτισμών, που από την αρχαιότητα θεμελίωσαν τον σύγχρονο πολιτισμό.
Καλή συνέχεια σε αυτό το υπέροχο ταξίδι, στο ταξίδι της εμβάθυνσης της Αρχαίας Ελληνικής, Νεοελληνικής και Λατινικής γλώσσας!
Σας ευχαριστούμε!
Από την Ελλάδα πολλούς χαιρετισμούς!
Δεν θα έλεγα οτι τα Λατινικά ειναι αρχαία ιταλικά
A ρε Θάνο, καλή συνέχεια στην ξενητιά
Αίλουρος which is associate with cat in ancient greek means "thing that wiggles its tail" in modern greek ουρά means "tail" quite an interesting find. :)
As a greek guy who has a basic knowledge of the italian language I found this video really interesting.
I'm also surprised by the fact that as a modern Greek speaker I understood the majority of this video something that proves the great connection between Ancient Greek, Latin and Modern Greek languages.
Great video👏
I noticed that Greeks are more familiar with ancient Greek than Italians with Latin.
That's my impression, compared to your other video speaking Latin to Italians
You can certainly communicate better with my 80yo Cypriot mother. The syntax of the original Cypriot dialect- not the one that is used nowadays, especially the cities- is exactly the same as Koine, plus the vocabulary is much more similar. No Cypriot would find difficult to answer any questions starting with πόθεν. Πόθεν is also used in standard expressions in Modern Greek as well, like πόθεν έσχες.
This is fun. Also glad to see some of the ancient Greek I've learned helped me understand some of the modern Greek.
Love the novelty of Latin ads
It’s a new world!
as a Greek/Italian I really liked this clip :)
At last a language I understand. I lived in Northern Greece for 8.5 years and often went to Θεσσαλονικι.
Interesting to notice the Indo-European connection - Ancient Greek and "Classical" Latin still were phonologically close one each other enough, switch from one to the other is seamless. Really like the way you approach these Languages, not as hyeratic and crystallized, but as something which still is perfectly viable and useful to this day.
Thanks!
Ancient Celtic languages and Latin were even closer still.
@@svyatoslavrurikovich8831 Italo-Celtic Hypothesis.
Can't wait until you speak ancient Greek to people on the streets of Greece
Ahahahaha!! That would be funny indeed!
A walk around Akropolis in a classic dress asking for directions to the Akademia, chatting about weather, food and debating the Sokratean vs Aristotelean concepts. 😉
Yep
@@Thedeepseanomad He will be called a mad man 😂
@@demetriusstiakkogiannakes1326 or he will make money since he will be taken for a tourist attraction and people would tip:)
Καταπληκτικός, μπράβο για την προσπάθεια, είναι μεγάλο κίνητρο για τους γλωσσομαθεις να βλέπουνε τέτοια βίντεο. Σε ευχαριστούμε για το όμορφο που δίνεις στη ζωή μας!!!!
It’s the cutest conversation I’ve ever heard😂😂❤
I was shocked when he said he is Americano. Che bello
Such a cool video! Aside from a few phrases he did a great job with the ancient Greek!
Yes! Overall he definitely understood Latin slightly better than Ancient Greek, which could be partly due to the difference in pronunciation
I met an indonesian guy sometime ago. He learnt Greek in Aristotle University of Thessaloniki. His Greek were wayyyyyyyyyy better than mine. He spoke almost in Katharevousa!!! I just admired him. Even my demotic sucks big time. But cool video. Im glad I actually understood the ancient Greek and I was able to understand most Latin too.
Damn this was amazing man!!!❤❤❤ you should do this in Greece with people in the streets just like you did in Rome. Please! It would be so fun!
He would amaze us Greeks all and make us be ashamed for the way the ancient language is treated in greek schools
ΕΥΓΕ 🙌 BEST VIDEO SO FAR IN UA-cam ABOUT LANGUAGE CONVERSATION I PERSONALLY HAVE EVEN SEE 👏
Ευχαριστώ !
I’ve never been more interested and engaged in an ad for NordVPN than this one that was done in Latin. 👀
I’m delighted! I do like NordVPN very much. And it’s cool that this is the first time there has been a sponsorship in Latin for hundreds or thousands of years
Spanish native speaker here! 🇲🇽
I tried no to read the English subtitles here and I understand everything omg😅 this channel is pure gold
Hello Luke...always lovely to see your new videos....today it was most exciting for me because your Greek sounded so much like Cypriot Greek....syntax....expressions ....etc...I speak Cypriot Greek....originally from the Island of Cyprus... have a good day Luke..
Hello Thanos is my friend from university of Electrical Engineering, I lost him and I found him randomly from your video! Unbelievable :D
This was an excellent idea and the result is really enjoyable. Having studied both languages at school, I feel like this channel is giving meaning and a whole new perspective to the choice I made when I was 14 and everyone was asking me why I was studying ancient languages. By the way, I am from Istanbul, with mixed Turkish background (parents and grandparents from Istanbul, Bosnia, Thessaloniki, Skopje), attended a Catholic school in Naples as a child, went to university in Milan and then in Brussels, where I learned French. I teach, but the truth is I will always be a student at heart.
After watching the video, I can say this:
Good job to both of you. It definitely wasn't easy (in fact more of a struggle) but it goes to show what brilliant minds can attain. Well done! Great inspiration for the rest of us!
That’s very kind. Thanks.
Didnt seem like a struggle to me, at least not the Greek parts. That's like me visiting a remote village in Crete. Yes, you need a few sentences so your ears adapt to the different accents and idioms, but after a few minutes you can communicate at 80-90% capacity.
I don't speak any ancient Greek... or at least I thought I wasn't until now. When I was reading the text I could understand like 95% and I missed like 3-4 words only. The hard part was to understand the ancient Greek by the pronunciation. I don't know how ancient Greeks were pronouncing the words but I felt like the accent was making the pronunciation more difficult for me in some parts. Why I say this... in Greek church they still use the Koine Greek and even though they have also different pronunciation it feels more natural to my ears. Would love to see a native Greek with your knowledge in ancient Greek. Its amazing how good you are in ancient Greek. Like really amazing!!!
I'm greek and I never really thought learning ancient Greek would help me any time soon (it's not like Sofoklis will suddenly appear and have a conversation with me)but watching the two of you talk like that was very interesting. I gotta visit you when I finish high school and converse with you in ancient Greek haha
When the ads in Latin are thoroughly entertaining (and educational), as well as the content, you can bet your cookies that you won't find a channel like this every day. Thank you!
Questo episodio è formidabile!
E il greco moderno è una pura delizia per le orecchie come lo scoprire il greco antico con una pronuncia che suona naturalmente, istintivamente più "genuina", viva, di quella imparata a scuola nei paesi nordici.
Modern Greek pronunciation sounds so much more natural and flows so much better that I think western academia needs to revise its convictions about Ancient Greek pronunciation and stop blaming modern Greeks for not agreeing with / liking the Erasmian and other academic approaches.
Έχεις απόλυτα δίκιο,με τίποτα δεν πρέπει να μιλούσαν με Ερασμιακη προφορά οι αρχαίοι Έλληνες,έλεος είναι τόσο εξωφθαλμο..
Speaking Ancient Greek and Latin! Direct access to the scripts! Ohh man, can't get any more special than this. Intellectual superiority!
I would like to see a video in Koine Greek, showing around the Roman artifacts in Constantinople as a Turk myself, that would be 10/10
Most of what you call "Roman" artifacts in Constantinople are actually Greek!
You are confused,those are Greek artefacts
@@ThomasGazis byzantines were romans. Eastren Romans were greeks. Eastren Rome=Byzantine=greek. Same
@@ThomasGazis Turks also call Hellenistic antiquities Roman, it’s so funny (pathetic actually)
You mean greek artifacts
In Italy, at 13, we can choose our high school. If you choose "Classico" you'll study both Latin and Greek (Classico and Scientifico are the most choosen high schools).
Bring him back!! Looking forward to part two. Gratias ευχαριστώ
I love how, when Thanos speaks italian, his palatal affricates sound more like alveolar ones. This, coupled with his retracted s and the fact that he does not double his consonants (all due to the phonological system of his mother tongue, of course), makes it feel almost like a northern italian speaker, particularly from the Emilia Romania region (the way he says Ingegnere is extremely typical); yet, there is not a complete overlap with how such a speaker would sound like. This actually surprised me at first, since those very characteristic sounds are very similar, but it seems like the difference in intonation patterns (maybe even different vowel qualities, but I'd have to rewatch the video to make sure) makes the two accents very distinct from one another. Thank you for your wonderful videos, Luke!
Also his pronuntiation is simmilar to northern European castillian/spanish...
Many italians would actually think he's spanish
It makes it sound a bit Spanish
Modern Geek is often confused as Catilian Spanish when heard at a distance.
Actually Thanos pronunciation is a bit mixed in my opinion... His general cadence could be more Pugliese (from Apulia) or Sardo (from Sardinia) in many ways, but he pronounces S as SH (fricativa alveolare sorda) and a very open E like Emilians do 😉
Nice!
Τέλειο βίντεο όπως πάντα :)
Χαιρετισμούς απο τη Θεσσαλονίκη!
It’s always fascinating how Latin went from classical masterpiece language to Pizza singing Italiano, and how, on the other hand Greek language kept that ancient form to this day
Greek is such a beautiful language, tho I'm used to the Koinè pronunciation I have to admit the modern pronunciation really has some ring to it.
Which pronunciation? Hopefully not Erasmian
@@user-dj3is2qh2u What's Erasmian?
An ugly and inaccurate reconstruction of Koine pronunciation. @@fanaticofmetal
I've been waiting for this for a little while now... μπράβο καλά κιρι
I’m delighted! Thanks, Craig
Very nice. As a Greek I understand everything almost. Respect.
This video has persuaded me that Modern Greek and Italian are essentially the same languages as their respective ancestors, Ancient Greek and Latin. What makes them appear different are the change of the pronunciation (which is a matter of what the speaker in every generation finds convenient to say) and some conventions and habits, different by the period of history. For example the words "αίλουρος" and "έαρ" are not forgotten by native Greek speakers, but almost no native speaker would use either nowadays to refer to a cat and the springtime. This applies to the Italian language which sometimes is like Latin with modern pronunciation. In the video two people were able to communicate despite each one speaking in different languages.
True. After all even in modern Greek we say αιλουροειδές or εαρινός. No word is thrown away or trashed entirely, everything leaves it's "mark"
the closest language to latin is sardinian
@@0752756949 “Muiere” sounds a lot like “mujer,” the standard Spanish term for woman, whereas “femeie” sounds more like “femme,” the French term.
@@rawlenyanzi6686 mujer is in Castilian language. Remember that in reality there's no language called Spanish. Mujer in Castilian, Mulher (pronounced mulier) in Portuguese.
@@ZekeSparx Good point.
Grande, 🇮🇹🇬🇷
I am really happy to see a video like this! As someone who has had to work in a field where sometimes I end up speaking to non or partially english speakers I discovered early on that even a dabbling into latin combined with comparing technical documents [I was tech support] between the english, french and spanish options really helped me to pick up what people where trying to tell me when they didn't have a language I really understood! And while I am woefully undereducated in latin or any greek it was cool to read and hear words in these languages and realize I understood some. :)
Εξαιρετικός !! Συνέχισε με τα καταπληκτικά σου βίντεο φίλε !
I must say that despite the small pronunciation errors you've done while speaking Ancient Greek, I was able to understand all of what you said.
It's the most interesting comparison I have ever seen. Thank you for your efforts.
Koine Greek is close to identical to Modern Greek. Like the engineer on this video, I can almost fully understand a language spoken since approximately the 4th BC. I find this really cool...
*Edit:* the pronouncation proposed for the Ancient and Koine Greek is something that creates problems. Take for example the word "kinematographikai" mentioned in the end of this video; it's a mess. I believe this was not the pronunciation of the ancient Greeks, though it is probably close to it. I for example believe that not all diphthongs were pronounced as proposed today for the ancient and Koine Greek, ie each latter being pronounced separately from the other (as not being combined into a diphthong). There're surely developments in the Greek language, and those who studied its evolution the last centuries, are not fools at all. Yet, they came into obstacles they havent yet overcome. It is well known at the same time that all these theories began the period that followed the fall of the Eastern Roman Empire (where the official language was Greek), which was being seen as the "West's" enemy, and those who resisted the Erasmian pronunciation were not taken seriously because of a supposed (a non-existed) intellectual superioty of the West over what was for a millennia above all "The" intelectual enemy (the "Byzantines"). On these grounds we began to get these theories about the ancient and koine Greek pronunciation. Many western scholars resisted firmly these theories since they appeared, they still do, for almost a half millennia.
In short I do not fully accept these kind of pronunciations, which in order to solve these problems some came to, for example, propose that the Greek letter "Gamma" (which in Greek sounds like the "y" in "yet" or like the "w" in "what") was actually pronounced like the english/latin "G", the Greek "Beta" (which in Greek sounds like the "v" in "vital") like the english/latin "B" etc.
This was just brilliant. Amazing how well it worked! Just discovered your channel through this video. Greetings by a Greek living in Germany. :)
Ευχαριστώ πολύ!
Luka I actually understand when you speak Ancient Greek for the most part. The pronunciation takes a bit of getting used to but what a great video! Modern Greek is a direct descendant of Ancient Greek so there is a lot of intelligibility. Let us know if you ever come to Greece. I am sure many people will like to meet and speak with you!
Ευχαριστώ πολύ!
@@ScorpioMartianus Είναι πραγματικά, χαρά μου!
Τελείωσα το Λύκειο το 1979. Τότε κάναμε αρχαία ελληνικά διαρκώς για 6 χρόνια, φυσικά από το πρωτότυπο κείμενο, χωρίς μεταφράσεις. Μάλιστα απαγορευόταν να φέρεις μετάφραση στο σχολείο, γιατί κυκλοφορούσαν μεταφράσεις σαν βοηθήματα για τους μαθητές. Παράλληλα για έξη συναπτά έτη μαθαίναμε και Λατινικά, ειδικά τα παιδιά, όπως εγώ, που είχαμε επιλέξει το Κλασικό τμήμα στο Λύκειο. Αντίστοιχα μπορούσες να επιλέξεις το Πρακτικό, που ήταν το άλλο τμήμα με πιο πολλά μαθήματα θετικής κατεύθυνσης.
Όπως καταλαβαίνετε, μαθαίνοντας στην ουσία δύο άλλες γλώσσες, σε υψηλό επίπεδο δυσκολίας, είχαμε μάθει να μιλάμε πολύ καλά και τις δύο. Βέβαια το θέμα είναι ότι δεν είχες κάποιον να μιλήσεις στα αρχαία ή στα λατινικά, οπότε μετά όταν περάσαμε στις πανεπιστημιακές σχολές, ξεχάστηκαν σε χρόνο τε-τε. Αλλά τελικά όλο και κάτι μένει, γιατί δεν μπορεί ένας μαθητής να συγκρατήσει όλο τον όγκο μάθησης, αλλά διευρύνονται οι γνώσεις του, αφήνοντας κατά κάποιο τρόπο, μια παρακαταθήκη.
It’s pretty fun to hear a Greek guy speaking Italian because sometimes he resembles a Spaniard guy speaking Italian.
What a wonderful video, Luke! Thank you for sharing it! It might be one of my favorites yet 🙂
Thanks for watching, Stephen!
Most USA guy do not even learn Spanish, German or French. And you talk on Latin and Greek!!! Exceptional!
I'm half italian and half greek and also studied aincient greek at school, so I understood all the conversation without need for subtitles 😄
Εξαιρετική δουλειά ! Χαιρετισμούς από τη Γερμανία
Usually I just skip the sponsorship part of the videos, but for the first time I actually replayed it 😅
I heard a lot of spoken latin by now, but never in this accent that I would heard in a shopping mall. So strange and beautiful. Made me wish to live in a place where I would just normally hear latin in the public places.
Thanks very much!
Luke, sei un mostro, un drago! Pure il greco classico conosci e parli!
Ahah non lo parlo molto bene
Thank god the pronunciation of the Greek language changed to drop unnecessary tones, grouped some sounds together (e.g. αι, ε sound the same like e in terror, also η, ι, οι, ει which make the same giota/i), etc. There are differences and you can't use these interchangeably (unless you want to be -rightfully- ridiculed), but after starting studying Japanese I came to admire how the Greek language progressed through the centuries, especially in a not-so-isolated part of the world with constant conquests/wars/etc.
Reading ancient text is probably easier for most Greeks than hearing it, since although pronunciation changed, the words did not (mostly). I can start reading ancient Greek with modern pronunciation and make good sense, but if I were to follow the accent used, most would get very little falling victim to οι, αι, etc. The reason this is the case is because Greek is mostly a semantic language. Most words have a direct meaning and the roots have remained intact across the centuries. For example 'lexicon' might mean anything to one who doesn't know it, but it comes from the greek word λέξη, meaning word. So if I see 'λεξ-' somewhere I immediately have an inclination of what to think. Obviously, not every possible word can have such a meaning, there must be a source. Again I think the Greek language excels at this by utilizing the environment. If I remember correctly, ρέω (flow-verb) or ροή (flow-noun) simulates the sound of the water running down the river hitting the rocks. "Ρρρρρρρρρρρρ". Many sources of words come from examples such as this. Or maybe, some even from emotional cues/weights. The ancient Greeks were after all saying that the language educates the mind.
Learning Kanji, I notices some similarities in what essentially each language tries to achieve. The advantage of the Greek language is that it comes with an alphabet. Imagine trying to compress such complexity in 24 letters. I can blame every last thing in the sh******* my country is but the language. The language is a work of art.
Funnily enough before the alphabet Greek used Lineal-B (and perhaps other systems) which is a syllabary with some ideograms just like Japanese with hiragana+kanji.
@@heraclito3114 ... αnd just like Japanese it bundled together the L with the R .... LOL!
The guys name is Thanos
Legend
👊 💎
Wonder what he thinks of the Marvel movies?
It’s a common name in Greece
His full name is Athanasios, my husband has the same name and his nick name is Thanasi.
As a greek i think latin it's a little easier than ancient greek. At school they always seemed easier to me than ancient Greek. For a foreigner who doesn't speak greek the ancient are very difficult, so really good for you and your pronunciation is quite good congratulations!!! 👏👏😊🇬🇷
It's much more difficult to understand thoroughly because of the grammar and syntax and especially prepositions.
@@ΝεκτάριοςΧριστοφή εννοείς τα λατινικά ή τα αρχαία ελληνικά;
Ευχαριστώ πολύ.
@@ScorpioMartianus Παρακαλώ, και εμείς ευχαριστούμε που προωθείς μέσα από το κανάλι σου τα ελληνικά αυτή την τόσο πλούσια γλώσσα. 🙂
Thanos did υπέροχα, he is a very smart man. Bravo, ottimo lavoro!
This video is overflowing with culture it's delicious.
As ever, it brings me great joy to watch Your videos and listen to latin and greek.I would like to hear even more ancient greek :)
Hi Luke, maybe you ll find easy to start with modern Greek in kathareuousa:
Ἐμμανουήλ Ροΐδης - Ἱστορία μιᾶς γάτας
Ἂν ἐξαιρέσωμεν τοὺς νεοπλατωνικοὺς φιλοσόφους, δὲν πιστεύω νὰ ὑπάρχωσιν ἄλλα ἐπὶ γῆς πλάσματα ὅσον οἱ γάτοι συκοφαντηθέντα. Ὡς κατὰ πρόληψιν καὶ κατὰ παράδοσιν κηρύττονται δεισιδαίμονες, ὀπτασιασταί, μυθολόγοι καὶ ὀνειροπλέκται ὁ Πορφύριος, ὁ Ἰάμβλιχος, ὁ Πρόκλος καὶ ὁ Πλωτίνος, οὕτω κακίζεται καὶ πᾶς γάτος ὡς δόλιος, ἄπιστος, ἀχάριστος καὶ ἀνίκανος ἄλλον παρὰ τὸν ἑαυτόν του ν᾿ ἀγαπήσῃ. Καὶ ὡς εἰς τὰ λεγόμενα ὀνείρατα τῶν νεοπλατωνικῶν ἀντιτάσσεται ἡ ἀσφαλὴς ἐπιστήμη τοῦ Ἀριστοτέλους, οὕτω καὶ εἰς τοῦ γάτου τὴν κακίαν αἱ πάντοιαι τοῦ σκύλλου ἀρεταί. Εἰς προγενέστερον ἔργον μου ἐπροσπάθησα ν᾿ ἀποδείξω τὸ ἱστορικῶς ἀσύστατον τῆς τοιαύτης περὶ τῶν Ἀλεξανδρινῶν γνώμης καί, πρὸ πάντων, πόσον εἶναι ἄδικος ἡ πρὸς ἄλληλα σύγκρισις δυὸ πραγμάτων ὅλως ἀνομοίων, οἵα ἡ ἐμπειρία τοῦ Σταγειρίτου πρὸς τὸ ὑπερούσιον πτερύγισμα τῆς νεοπλατωνικῆς διανοίας1. Τοῦτο εἶναι περίπου τὸ αὐτὸ ὡς ἂν ὑπετιμάτο ἐν συγκρίσει πρὸς τὴν πέρδικα, ὡς μὴ φαγώσιμος, ἡ ἀηδών. Καθ᾿ ὅμοιον τρόπον κατηγορεῖται καὶ ὁ γάτος ὅτι δὲν γλείφει τὰς χεῖρας τοῦ κυρίου ὅταν οὗτος τὸν δέρη, ὅτι δὲν τρέχει ἅμα τὸν καλέση, οὐδὲ στέργει νὰ φανῇ χρήσιμος κυνηγῶν διὰ λογαριασμόν του, φυλάσσων τὰ πρόβατά του, στρέφων ἐπὶ τῆς πυρᾶς τὸν ὀβελὸν καὶ προπορευόμενος μὲ φανάριον εἰς τὸ στόμα, ἢ κὰν νὰ τὸν διασκέδαση ὑπερπηδῶν ράβδους ἢ ὀρθούμενος ἐκ τῶν ὀπισθίων ποδῶν. Ταῦτα εἶναι ἀκριβέστατα. Οὐδεὶς ποτὲ οὔτε δι᾿ ἀμοιβῆς οὔτε διὰ ραβδισμῶν κατώρθωσε νὰ ἐπιβάλῃ εἰς γάτον νὰ πράξη ὅσα πράττουσιν οἱ σκύλλοι, οἱ δοῦλοι καὶ οἱ γελωτοποιοί. Ἀλλ᾿ οἱ τοιαῦτα παρ᾿ αὐτοῦ ἀπαιτοῦντες λησμονοῦσιν, ὡς φαίνεται, ὅτι ἐκ τῶν συνοίκων μας ζῴων μόνον οὗτος ἀνήκει εἰς τὸ βασιλικὸν γένος τῶν αἰλουροειδῶν (filins)· ὅτι εἶναι πρωτεξάδελφος τῆς τίγρεως, τοῦ πάνθηρος καὶ τοῦ λέοντος, καὶ ἄμεσος ἀπόγονός του αἰλούρου καὶ τοῦ λυγκέως· ὅτι ἔχει, ὡς ἐκεῖνοι, ὀφθαλμοὺς λάμποντας εἰς τὸ σκότος καὶ γνώρισμα τῆς εὐγενείας του ὀξεῖς ὄνυχας συσταλτούς. Οὐδὲ φαίνονται κάλλιον τῆς φυσιολογίας μελετήσαντες τὴν ἱστορίαν. Ἐκ ταύτης θὰ ἐμάνθανον ὅτι κατὰ τοὺς ἀρχαίους ἐκείνους χρόνους, ὅτε ἐθεοποιεῖτο τὸ κάλλος τοῦ σώματος καὶ τὸ σθένος τῆς ψυχῆς, πλειστάκις ἠξιώθη ὁ γάτος θείων τιμῶν. Οἱ Αἰγύπτιοι τὸν ἐλάτρευσαν ὡς Ἀπόλλωνα ὑπὸ τὸ σχῆμα γαιοκεφάλου νεανίσκου καὶ τὴν γάταν ὡς θεὰν τοῦ ἔρωτος καὶ τοῦ κάλλους. Ἡ εὐμορφία τῷ ὄντι τῶν γυναικῶν ἐξετιμᾶτο παρ᾿ αὐτῶν κατ᾿ ἀκριβῆ ἀναλογίαν τῆς ὁμοιότητος πρὸς τὰ αἰλουροειδῆ, τοῦ σπινθηρισμοῦ τῶν ὀφθαλμῶν, τῆς λειότητος τοῦ δέρματος, τοῦ ροδίνου χρώματος τῶν ρωθώνων, τῆς ἐλαφρότητος τοῦ πατήματος, τῆς χάριτος καὶ τῆς εὐκινησίας. Πρὸς κατάκτησιν τοιούτων προσόντων ἀφιεροῦντο, κατὰ τὸν Διόδωρον, νηπιόθεν αἱ κορασίδες εἰς τὴν θεὰν Γαλῆν, διὰ τῆς ἀναρτήσεως εἰς τὸν τράχηλον μεταλλίου φέροντος τὴν εἰκόνα τῆς Αἰγυπτίας Ἀφροδίτης, κατὰ δὲ τὸν Διόδωρον, ὁσάκις ἀπέθνησκεν ἐντὸς αἰγυπτιακῆς οἰκίας γαλῆ, ἔκοπτον οἱ κάτοικοι εἰς ἔνδειξιν πένθους τὴν κόμην. Μετὰ τοὺς Αἰγυπτίους ἐλάτρευσαν οἱ Ἄραβες εἰς τοὺς αὐτοὺς τόπους τὸ εἴδωλον τοῦ Χρυσοῦ Γάτου, οὐδ᾿ ἔπαυσαν μετὰ τὴν ἀποκάλυψιν τοῦ ἑνὸς Θεοῦ νὰ τὸν κηρύττωσι τὸ κάλλιστον μετὰ τὸν ἄνθρωπον δημιούργημα, ἀντιτάσσοντες αὐτὸν ὡς σύμβολον καθαριότητος καὶ εὐγενείας εἰς τὰ λοιπὰ ζῷα καὶ μάλιστα τὸν σκύλλον. Ἀλλὰ τὴν ἀληθῆ αὐτοῦ ὑπεροχὴν φαίνονται κατανοήσαντες κάλλιον παντὸς ἄλλου λαοῦ οἱ κατακτηταὶ τοῦ ἀρχαίου κόσμου Σουηδοὶ καὶ Βανδῆλοι, οἱ ἀναγράψαντες εἰς τὰς πολεμικὰς αὐτῶν σημαίας τὸ ὁμοίωμα τοῦ γάτου, ὡς τοῦ μόνου πλάσματος τὸ ὁποῖον δύναται μὲν νὰ ἡμερωθῆ, ὄχι ὅμως καὶ νὰ ὑποδουλωθῆ.
Τοιοῦτος ὤν, μόνον ὡς ἰσότιμος τοῦ οἰκοδεσπότου
You can find the rest online
Εξαιρετικός όπως πάντα ο Ροΐδης. Αν και ολίγοι, οι συγγραφείς της καθαρεύουσας άφησαν το ανεξίτηλο αποτύπωμά τους στον Ελληνισμό. Αξίζει επίσης η ανάγνωση της «Πάπισσας Ιωάννας».
Οr better still, with Pope Joan (Papisa Ioana) by the same author, which is largely satyrical and great fun to read the original text !
Amazing video Luke. Hope you do more videos speaking ancient greek in the future, I really enjoy them
I shall. Thanks for subscribing
You should do a video comparing Latin to Armenian, either Classical or modern. You’d be surprised at the similarities, especially in the grammar. For example, Armenian has the same type of declensions as Latin. On top of that, about 30% of words were borrowed from Greek after the invasion by Alexander the Great (another large percentage come from Pahlavi).
Sum ab Aegypto,linguam latinam et graecam commentor . Hoc amo . Gratias tibi ago 🌸
Again a nice video, the video’s where you talk Latin or Ancient Greek with people are so fun to watch 😀
This was fascinating to watch as a Greek Cypriot. Πόθεν and αρέσκει are the Cypriot words in common use for "where" and "like".
My late grandmother who was born around 1900 had an interesting vocabulary and pronunciation: Κυριακή (Sunday) was cherkachi and chair was tsaera. Τετάρτη (Wednesday) was τετράη and morning was το πορνόν.
Interestingly the old English word for church is ċiriċe which comes from Κυριακή which means "of the lord".
I think that this is called 'metathesis' in linguistics. It's similar to our idiomatic variants for the word 'bald': καραφλός, φαρακλός and φαλακρός.
Man...I enjoyed it so much...I'd love watching a video where you discuss about modern and ancient greek with native Greeks. I volunteer as well if you re interested for a video.
Thanks! I actually had that discussion with Thanos in Italian. Stay subscribed to polýMATHY since it will appear there.
Dude, I am laughing so hard from your VPN commercial...that is the coolest vpn commercial I have ever seen/heard. I felt like I was in a parallel universe. Magnificent. Your videos are great, man. I'm so glad I bumped into them. Immediately subbed/notified to your channels, thanks!
Thanks very much! I really appreciate it
Luke cuando empecé a ver tu contenido, me entro las ganas de aprender latín. En verdad si inspiras a seguir aprendiendo una lengua muy hermosa.
This type of videos always leave me smiling like a fool. Love them!
Thanks!
Incredibile come riesca a pubblicizzare una cosa così moderna come una VPN in perfetto latino...
È la prima volta che succede, quanto ne so
I love this stuff! I love language and ancients ones spoken again is so cool!
Can overall understand Latin from knowing Spanish and French.
Greek influenced a bunch of languages such as Russian and Ukrainian which I also use so I was picking up some of the Greek.
Muy productivo!!!! Muchas Gracias!!!!!
love this stuff man. i just finished the iliad today. id love to see you recite some of it in the homeric way.
Great!!! In the finale the scene of Priamus begging the killer of his son and both of them crying together wasn't magnificent??
@@Nicks721 yes and also 400 pages of aristeia was sick
As a Greek who speaks 4 languages I did understand the 85% -90% percent of everything you have said. I took lessons of Ancient Greek on my high school. Great Job of explaining and speaking. Both of you, did excellent. Great accents in Greek, Latin and Italian.
Amazing dialogues! Absolutely amazing!
Ευχαριστώ
Hearing a NordVPN ad in Latin has changed me for some reason.
Luke *talks ancient Greek*
Me, a student of Spanish: "Why is he talking about apples all the time?"
Amazing! Thank you very much!!
Paret Thanos linguam latinam graecam antiquamque valde bene intellexisse
Gratias tibi ago, amice!
Συφωνῶ! Θαυμάσιός ἐστιν!
At first I read "Can this GEEK understand Latin and Ancient Greek?" lol
This is one of the few times I’ve ever listened to a full sponsorship
I remember watching a video long time ago where some guy asked random Greek people in the streets whether or not they could understand ancient Greek, and most of them said it's like a different language. But this chap in the video seemed to understand you pretty well. Maybe you used a familiar pronunciation? But that's really cool either way!
Yeah! Well, Thanos is a brilliant man, both in general and in the languages he has studied. He has studied Ancient Greek in school, and Greeks in general have more familiarity with AG than Italians with Latin. I also let him know before we started some of the pronunciation differences like the vowel sounds. In any case, it was fun
Well, it really depends on the content. The other person (I remember the video you're talking about) was showing people extracts from the Iliad or from Plato, which have either way to complex story telling or way to intricate philosophical debates. Here, Luke is trying to converse, which is of course much simpler to infer from context.
If I remember right, that video was on Easy Greek, and he used modern Greek pronunciation. So it was the subject matter and the age of the Greek text (several centuries BC), not the pronunciation, that made it hard.
We have to say that ancient Greek itself has varied a lot through time. I'm guessing that the language the Mycenaean spoke was very different from the Greek Alexander spoke in Macedonia. Different eras and different language development
Young greeks say this very often because most of them have never tried to read a single ancient text so they thing it would be difficult . For the average Greek who reads a lot and his vocabulary is not that small ancient greek is not that hard.
also many young Greeks dont know that most of the ancient words are present today in Greek language because most of the words we use are composite words that derive from the ancient ones - whenever i point this out to any greek and he realizes this fact with his own eyes he is looking at me with surprise in his eyes lol
I fell in love with this video, amazing idea! Universities and schools should do it that way.