Turbo EFI 460...DYNO DAY!! 🇺🇲🤘
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2022
- *Dyno results at around 04:05*
Hit the Chassis Dyno today with the ole Turbo 460 91 F250. Made big power but settled on a safe 605hp and 737tq...AT THE WHEELS!!! That's on the 92 octane pump gas tune for street driving, very happy!! 🇺🇲🇺🇲🤘🤘
Big thanks to Apex Performance and Fabrication out of Marysville WA. Awesome customer service and knowledge. Michael is the best and I highly recommend him for tuning in the PNW.
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THX AC?
My truck does not have AC, it's a Custom model. Having AC wouldn't change anything though.
Hell yeah nice work man! That thing is rad
That’s freakin impressive man!!! I dig it!
Hell yeah dude good work!!!
Very cool man! Got to be happy with your own build 🤟🏼
Love it! Time to race!
Outstanding!
Congratulations on the power numbers.
I'm stoked for you ! This thing turned out so nice 👍 that 700+ftlbs has got to just pull like a freight train 🚂
Thank you! Definitely a blast to drive around town and loves spinning them tires 😂
To the wheels
Friggen awesome.
Amazing video friend. Your progress is inspiring! I feel like you have made great leaps and bounds since I started watching last year. Keep up all the amazing work. 👏
Thank you very much!
Can't wait for your next step.
Love this project. Keep the videos coming sir. Bet that thing tows like a beast. Just need to make a 2nd BBF turbo setup for a F-150 2wd for a drag truck to haul behind the F-250.
Absolutely! I'll be pulling a 7k# trailer with it on Friday should be fun 😁. Yes I think a turbo 460 lowered bronco is at the top of my wish list 🤙
Good numbers for pump gas
Thank you! Probably could have turned it up more but I want to enjoy it for a while more before I start breaking stuff again 😆
Very impressive knocking out an easy 600whp over an over with mid 700s tq.
I’ve never messed with Holley efi. Mostly carb bbf nitrous stuff but I went with stinger pimpXshift on my 95 f150 sbf. Why does everyone hate it is much? It seems pretty user friendly to me and my limited efi experience. It can run a flex fuel sensor with dual maps and tuner studio and mega log viewer seem pretty good imo.
Thabks, I'm very happy with it and I will be keeping this ECU on the truck. I'd like to play with Holley more just to branch out but still enjoy MS stuff.
I think the Megasquirt hate comes from all the diy builds that never worked correctly. Nice thing about the Stinger Setups, is that they build them correctly so its a very consistent quality product. The software has also come a long way in the last few years so people who are not up to date with MS may not know how far it's come.
Badass man! Drove my 460 to lynnwood and back today. Half tank of gas 😭
Mine appears to be getting darn good milage for what it is. I need to go for a drive without beating on it but it's getting about 13mpg as I drive it. I think that sequential fueling helps a lot.
@@johnvirgilsgarage is this dyno local? Had to bring my car to Kent last time to get it tuned.
@@bobbuilder6144 yes Apex Performance and Fabrication out of Marysville WA. They are in Smokey Point behind the Costco area. Right by that Shell station that sells E85.
@@johnvirgilsgarage oh wow I live right in that area and didn't know that was there. Thank you!
Man that's bad ass how did that rear main hold up??? I still have the same motor in mine and it's still running strong so far so I'm about ready for my turbos too can't wait
The John Kasse rear main has been completely leak free so I am very happy with it. Honestly it's all I will use on 460's from now on. Much easier to install during the build process and not like how I ended up doing it lol.
Yes turbos make everything better! 🤘
You think adding more timing during part throttle and cruise will help with the mpg? Oh, try some Schaeffers or Lubrication Engineers synthetics in the driveline, axles and transfer case.
I'm getting much better mpgs than I did with the stock setup. Went from about 8 to around 13-14 depending on how I drive it. Problem is, I have a hard time not getting into boost lol
460 bronco next!
That's the plan if I can find the right one 😁
I'm surprised you picked up taking timing OUT... how much were you running? Also you could back off your boost and run that thing out further. There is no reason you can't take it to 6k rpm. 460's aren't old 300 inline 6's.
Definitely picked up below torque peak and above 4400 RPM by taking 2 degrees out. And yes I figured out why it wouldn't rev out, I had my rev limiter set too low and also had the soft limiter starting at 5k rpm. I raised it up a bit and already feels better up top. Definitely ripping!
G'Day John, ripper. Because I'm lazy, what turbo back exhaust diameter are you using? Lachlan (Adelaide, Australia).
BTW, I own a '74 Ford LTD (US version), coupe with a 460 + C6. I have started the hotting up process for the motor, thumpr cam, single plane intake, FiTech PowerAdder 1200, Edelbrock water pump etc etc for a Garrett GT4807R, about the same size as your S480.
@@Freebaggin that sounds like an awesome rowdy setup! My downpipe is a 4" all the way back through a straight through diesel muffler. Not too loud and sounds great. I may be seeing some back pressure issues but it's probably from my turbo.
You're very crafty. When will you start selling parts ot turbo kits?
Thanks I appreciate it! I definitely love building my own stuff on my own timeline but I am probably going to knock out a limited run of turbo kits sometime in the near future. My original design has held up great for several years so I trust it.
I am also running megasquirt on my Turbo 460! BBF has a distinct sound to it...
Awesome! A factory EFI 460?
@@johnvirgilsgarage 1995 efi bottom end with d3ve ported heads. Edelbrock torker 2 efi intake
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If you check out my new videos, my truck now has a 6R80, bigger turbo, LS coils and is running E85 making over 800whp + 1000wtq
Are you still running the stock heads and cam? The hp that you are getting at 13 psi of boost would equate to something in the neighborhood of 350hp NA so was curious. I think this would be a ton of fun in an F-600. Really wish my Dad hadn't scrapped his 1969 F-350 with the factory ordered aftermarket installed 4wd. It had a 12' flatbed and is an absolute unicorn. Oh well some of us inherit money others inherit bills, I know which one I'm getting.
No I am running ported heads with bigger valves, cam is aftermarket also. Engine made about 420hp 520tq naturally aspirated on an engine dyno. All my HP TQ numbers after that have been measured at the rear wheels.
@@johnvirgilsgarage What is your elevation and are you numbers corrected for elevation or not? I was calculating in some driveline loss in my initial estimate based on 14.7 psi of boost doubling your horsepower I was thinking the 13psi along with the water/meth injection should put your around 700hp at the crank give or take a bit, might have been a bit low on my initial now that I think about it. Not knocking the build or anything just curious. I bet the addition of an intercooler would put you into the 700's. Although it's not like 600hp and 750tq isn't plenty. Sounds like it is a beast down low as well. Almost like having a diesel in there. How thirsty is it with the 35's?
watch some of my other videos. It's been on the dyno since this one. I just wrapped up a built 6R80 swap on it. Most recently made 840whp and well over 1k wtq. It has an intercooler, methanol injection, flex fuel, coil on plug, etc. This video is pretty old, lots been done since.
I'm just above sea level. That Dyno reads on the lower side, probably more accurately than others. Fuel mileage with the sequential fuel and spark on 92 octane at cruise, with the 6R80 transmission is about 15mpg.
nice job!
Out side of fuel system is truck internal and cam stock ?
No it has H beam rods, forged pistons, 9.5:1 compression, ARP bolts, porter heads and intake with bigger valves, and a mild cam.
The tires always work better with the white letters out lol!! Love that turbo truck!!!
Super useful video. I’m working towards a 500 Cadillac nova with a single turbo VS racing 92/103. I was looking to keep it on low boost 5-7 until I build a forged motor (aiming for 500whp). Thanks for this video. Love the old fords
bad fucking ass
Stock cam, motor and heads?
It has a small cam... 207 / 219 @ .050" 113 Lsa 109 ICL .490" / .526" lift HFT.
Forged pistons with ring gap for boost, Scat H Beam rods, stock crank, king bearings
Heads are Ford F3TE
2.11" intake valve
1.65" exhaust valve
Pocket ported 290 / 190 cfm @ .600" lift
It's making over 800whp now on E85 🤙
Super stoked to see this vid!!
Whats in the long block?
Great power out of your build!!!
Thanks! It's actually making 800whp now 😁. That's on E85 with more timing and boost. It's a stock crank with forged pistons gapped for boost, SCAT h beam rods, ARP bolts, and king bearings throughout.
Do you run an intercooler with your turbo?
Yes, a Holley frostbite kinda budget one. Works great.
That's impressive! Love the parts where you say, "built by me." Great job. What transmission is behind the 460?
It's a completely stock ZF5 😁.... I'm working on a 6R80 swap right now.
I am all over this. My 92 250 has the 460 with 57k original miles, it is getting a new engine, built for Turbo and intercoler. Holley EFI HP
Wow! Very nice. Does the turbo have a T6 exhaust housing? What A/R? Is it a 5" outlet stepped down to a 4" down pipe?
I'm not sure in this video if I still had the S475 T6 1.32 AR turbo or the S480 T6 1.32 AR. The truck is now setup for flex fuel and running e85 with more boost. It made just over 800whp on E85 at about 16psi. Yes downpipe is 5" stepped down to 4" and to a straight through style 4" diesel muffler before it dumps in front of the passenger rear tire.
@John Virgil thank you so much for the reply. That answered the questions I have had for years. 800rwph! Holy sh*t!
How much timing do you have in it I only asked because I have the same build in a 1997 f250 with s475 t6
I'm now running a billet wheel S480 with E85 but I can email you my tune. What ECU are you using? Are you intercooled and what fuel? My truck's now making over 800whp on E85.
Sweet build
How’s the gas mileage on that Beast
It's gone through some changes since this video but it's getting about 14mpg on 92 octane highway.
have you built the bottom end?
In this video it has forged Pistons and H-beam rods with ARP bolts. It's now on E85 and made a scooth over 800whp. It was originally a stock rod/stock piston turbo build but I broke two pistons from too little ring gap.
@@johnvirgilsgarage thanks for the video and response
I’ve got a 2WD ‘85 Ford Dually and it’s currently in the process of getting a full boost ready 521ci big block. Still shopping for my Garrett turbo but I’m looking forward to driving it so much!
Nice! Twins or a big single?
@@johnvirgilsgarage I’m really taking a look at one of their 88mm turbos right now but they’re pretty pricey so I’m doing as much research as I can before I buy one. I’ve always driven N/A vehicles so this is a different realm of possibilities for me.
My turbo now is a billet wheel S480 T6 1.32 AR. Has a 96/88 turbine wheel. I believe my turbo hotside doesn't flow enough past about 5200 rpm, so with the cubes you will have I would go bigger with a single turbo.
@@johnvirgilsgarage Awesome, thanks for the tip man. I’ll take a look at some slightly bigger ones and keep crunching some numbers. Appreciate it!
Nice build!
I absolutely love this. My dreams, but glad that you're in my Facebook group.
My jaw dropped the entire video haha insane quality build man
mine did when I skimmed through the video and saw the torque on the first pull
Needs a new speedometer. :-p
Now I need to see how a Good V10 Compares...👋🤨👍
I like your Work!💯👏
About how much did this cost?
It's gone though a few different stages so hard to say exactly. Even since this video I have done upgrades and it's been back in the dyno. It most recently made just shy of 700whp on 92 octane and it's making a lot more on E85.
Id say the initial build cost me about $2500 for the diy turbo kit, turbo, cold side, injectors, fuel pump, and Pimpx stand alone computer.
Can't afford to do this crazy of a job but I definitely wanna do something like this with mine
so what is your gas milage? and 0 -60 mph time?
On 92 octane I was getting around 12-14 on the highway. On E85 I'm getting about 10 mpg on the highway. I haven't measured 0-60 yet but I should do that. It smokes the tires off real bad through 2nd and 3rd gear if I give her all shes got so I'd have to roll into it to get it to hook up.... Or turn the power down but that's not fun 😂
Hey bud well my 460 gave it up so I'm building a new one but I'm having issues getting the rear main you put in is there a trick to getting one I'm missing
The only way to get the Jon Kasse one piece seal is to call them directly at 770-307-0241.
Thank you I'll try and get one ordered soon cause I don't want to have to rip it back in to change
@@joesellersjr6817 yep tearing back into it is not fun at all. I'll use their rear main on every BBF build I do in the future.
After seeing you go thru the hell you did I'm trying to learn from that to help make mine easier to build cause we all have issue anyways building motors so I'm trying its just hard when funds and time r issues lol but I'm trying to take my time the motor is having some some work done now so when I get it back I'm hoping to have the parts I need but it's hard when shipping is 2 to 6 weeks out
So awesome! I have the same truck and this makes me want to do this! Love your fab work! Beautiful build
Have you swapped over to a bigger throttle body? Running headers? How did you Y into the turbo feed? I have a '90 F250 extended cab 4x4 with the 7.5 and ZF5 running stock 265/75r16's and it can be a real dog uphill. I really want to ditch the EFI for a good dual plane intake and possibly run my Predator carburetor on it. Thinking about adding headers also, drop in weight and running long tubes will scavenge better.
I am running the bbk twin 61mm TB but it's not really needed for forced induction. I don't see any benefit of ditching the EFI for a carb, just put a better efi on it. Holley and megasquirt are great options. Check out my older videos where I go over the turbo system in detail but there are lots of ways to make it work.
I had a 460 it was a dog but very reliable
They love boost!
Where did you locate your battery to? Really nice setup.
I moved the battery to the bed. I mounted it inside an old grenade box I saved from the Marines. Look pretty cool. I used heavy welding leads for battery cables back to the block/starter relay. Welding cables are nice and flexible so easy to work with.
@@johnvirgilsgarage nice. I have 95 obs with a 7.5 L. I just replaced the original motor with a crate motor. Kept it original vs upgrading the engine. Now that she’s got a couple thousand miles on the rebuilt engine looking to get some more power. Thanks for sharing. Your build is impressive.
Where did u get the oil feed to the turbo from
The stock 460 sending unit location and the top rear of the block, just behind the intake manifold. I just used a T fitting and added a sensor for the Megasquirt to monitor so I have an oil pressure safety in the tune.
Anyway you could post up the build list and what you have into it? I have a 95 f250 extended cab with the 460. I'm considering doing this as a toy hauler.
Yes I'm working on one when I finally catch up on projects. Essentially it's a VS Racing T6 S480, stock driver's side manifold on passenger side facing down and forward with an elbow welded on, driver's side manifold crosses under and up to passenger side where both banks meet at the turbo flange, bigger injectors, two 60mm wastegates, 50mm bov, Holley frostbite intercooler, and a china cold side piping kit. I made my own fuel rails after the stock ones maxed out around 500hp. Two 340lph pumps in a stock upgrade 38 gallon behind the axle tank. ECU is a Stinger Performance pimpxs running MS3. That's pretty much all that's needed to make an Obs EFI 460 make big power.
First time viewer. Is this a camera trick where it looks like steering is on right side then back on left where it would be? Love your ingenuity! I love my 97 F350 460 and enjoy modifying and fabricating things to build it up the way I want it, but not in this category of what you’re doing! Always looking to learn from others. Thanks
Thank you I really appreciate it! The steering wheel swap side to side is my camera reversing the image depending on which camera I use but my truck is left had drive 😂
@@johnvirgilsgarage I figured as much with the camera. Like I mentioned on first comment, I always appreciate someone just looking at what you have and what you think will work to figure things out. When I’m adding things to my truck and there’s no prefabricated parts, then I just make it work the way I think it can. When I go to Home Depot or Lowe’s and look at things that are purposed for something particular, I think,, how could I use that to fabricate something I’m working on 😂. I once used window channel to rebuild the drain channel for a trunk on a 63 Galaxie 🧐. Keep on trucking ( or Jeeping ) brother.
Not Jeeping. I was replying to another video
How much money have you spend on the parts to do this?
I am working on a complete parts break down since it's gone through a few different stages. I probably only have about $2500 into the turbo system if I guess. I'll put some numbers together and update you. My more recent Dyno video, I made just shy of 700 wheel HP and 800 wheel TQ.
Watched this video trying to figure out how the hell he got a right hand drive F250 only to realize the video is mirrored lol
Lol ya my bad. Wasn't properly prepared to make a video. Check out my newest Dyno video... Made 694whp and 797wtq🤙
Big block + boost= 1 badass torque monster. Depending on cam springs and intake i would see about getting more out of the rpm to see if it picks up anything. also from what ive read about e85 is its alot more forgiving with adding timing on a boosted application plus its guranteed more power than premium pump gas. i plan on going e85 on my big block foxbody!
It is an absolute blast to drive. Yes I agree about the cam. My current one is 207 / 219 @ .050" 113 Lsa 109 ICL .490" / .526" lift HFT. That will probably be my next upgrade along with E85, if I decide I want more power but in the meantime I'm just going to enjoy it 😁
Also check out my more recent Dyno video where I made just shy of 700whp and 800wtq 🤙
On a 460 Ford, your rod bearings are 3.25 and the mains are 3.5, the surface is moving to fast to hold oil over about 5200 in stock crank config. You can go to Chev big block bearing size's but it weakins the crank. The engine was designed to turn 5200 because of NASCAR's gear rule @ talladega & daytona, I think that yielded 240mph
G'day from Australia, love the vids. I'm doing an 81 f250 Bullnose, Ex Australian Army ( Original Patina). I have a new Ford standard build crate 460 EFI, (never been in a vehicle). With some bottom end upgrades I'd like to Turbo it. Is there an online partlist that you know of? Im having a hard time finding much information here in Aus.Thanks mate 👍
Nothing online that I know of. I've been meaning to put together a list but if you can weld, I made my turbo manifolds by using two drivers side ones. On the passenger side it is facing down and forward. I cut the outlet flange off and welded on an elbow to put the turbo where the stock battery would do. Battery can be mounted in the bed or under bed on frame rail. From there you need turbo, cold side pipe, intercooler, bigger fuel pumps, injectors, wastegates, blow off valve, etc. I'll try to make a video soon covering a parts list. 🤙
Awesome thanks soo much 🤘
#FOMOCO #460 #F350
I'm single and get paid decent so I don't understand money well. 🤣 but I want two spinny boys on mine.
😂 I think I'll go with two on the next go around.
Good job. I was getting tired of people doing engine swaps on these older trucks
I know the 460 is underrated. Not in drag racing but general hot rodding. ive heard these big blocks arent even as bad on the gas when you do a little research and actually tune them. Get the timing right and get them actually burning the gas rather than just wasting it.
@@augustusappling139 My dad worked at a garage back in the early 70's and the local sheriff station brought in their squad cars for maintenance there. They were running some kind of Dodge with the 440 in it and dad said that at factory timing they were doggy as hell so he messed around with the timing and ended up advancing it several degrees and it really woke the engine up. Apparently dad thought a street test was necessary and got it up to circa 140mph on the local strip of interstate. He wasn't allowed to test drive any cars after that but all the troopers wanted him to tune their cars.
Stock internals too ? Also would you be able to shed any light on the compression ratio for the motor?
Stock crank, H beam rods, and forged pistons with loads of ring gap. Static compression ratio is at 9.5:1. Since the Dyno, I have upgraded fuel pumps to support 1400hp as the old pump only supported 800hp and I turned it up past that. It's making over 800hp now and is running awesome! 🤙
Congrats!! Great videos!
Thank you!
Is that a bone stock 460 that you're making that type of horse power from or did you put heavier parts in the engine to have it sustain that kind of power?
This one has ported heads, a small cam, forged pistons and rods. Since the Dyno I have turned it up a bit more and it's making over 800hp.
It had stock type pistons and rods in it before. I broke two pistons from lack of ring gap. I would have no worries of running a stock 460 this hard as long as the tune was right and the ring gap was gapped properly. Mine only broke the first time around because I didn't gap the rings enough.
It's amazingly odd how similar our truck's look my kids think that's my actual truck I'm just missing the visor yellow lights, mines a 91 7.5l on 4"lift with 35s on Denali rims, hooker headers and a twisted smog are all my modifications at this point until I figure out my bogging stalling problem. What's the Saginaw power steering conversion insist of?
Must be a damn good looking truck 🤙 I used a billet aluminum bracket off eBay which is specifically made to work on the EFI heads with the Saginaw pump. I bought a pump and lines for a 1995ish E350 with a 460 and all the lines worked for that vehicle on my truck. It's one of my favorite upgrades. Steers with 1 finger and makes no noise. Also tightened up my steering response.
I have a mega squirt garret turbo off f350 water meth injection hooked headers I haven't figured out how to up the fuel running that lame factory dizzy I do have a mad 6al box pro billet dizzy and coil what do you think of a efi to carb swap and then boosting that?
Im in portland/estacada area btw....
Do you have a powerstroke turbo on an EFI 460 with megasquirt? That should control the TFI distributor with no trouble at all and has nothing to do with the fueling. Not sure I fully understand what you are asking 🤷🏻♂️
@@johnvirgilsgarage ya that's what I was steering toward the problem at this very second is my idles high and when I drive if I'm not constantly(Every 20 seconds or so) flipping the tank selector switch on the dash my engines falling flat on its face bogs down then starts to downshift and just revs up popping and msybeva backfire if I bog it down to long before letting off iv changed ALL sensors looked at the eec IV and capacitors look fine I need to be able to go uphill and above 45 mph I can't figure it out......
@@RollingThunder85 sounds like a fuel delivery issue. Maybe weak pumps, plugged up filter, pinched lines, etc. Check voltage at pumps also.
How much total timing?
About 19 degrees at ~ 13 psi but that ramps in from about 15 degrees at 3200 rpm. At 100 kpa (no boost) timing is 29-34 degrees from 3200 to 5300 rpm. It's a 3D timing map so kinda hard to explain on paper. It made more power in the mid range by pulling timing. I believe this is mostly due running 92 octane. I'll eventually go E85 and put some more timing in it.
Awesome man! Happy for you.
Thanks brother I really appreciate it! 🤙
yep cool truck