Excellent and timely discussion. In my mind there should be no debate - it's your natural human right to stand your ground if you reasonably feel that retreating is not the best option.
Regardless of your viewpoint this is a conservative topic and an inalienable right. I took up studying Jui Jitsu because I needed self defense living on the streets of New York. This art has helped realize some anxiety and provide me mental and physical tools to guide me through situations like that one’si experienced before I ever stepped on the mat. This is real. Thank you for your service fellas
It's right for the law to expect someone to avoid the altercation in the first place if possible - even by backing down, losing face or just disengaging. Getting goaded into an ego fight is the opposite of jiu-jiusu. Avoiding the fight or using reasonable (legal) force if attacked is jiu-jitsu.
Seth Murray: The Valente Brothers teach the original Jiu-Jitsu as developed by Grand Master Helio Gracie. The sole purpose of this system is to effectively defend oneself in any scenario devoid of being armed. The Valente Brothers are quite aware of the effectiveness of firearms and other weapons. They have taught SRT, SWAT, military special operations personnel from multiple branches. Might I suggest you research a bit more before making anymore unfounded comments. Tx
One of the jurors them selves just came out and said that they will never really know what happened that night since there were no witnesses till after the shooting. So where did you get these witnesses?
I support much of what they said in this video regarding the right to defend oneself, but even today (4 years after), I still believe that in the case that made Stand Your Ground an issue, GZ created and made far worse the situation he found himself in that forced him to defend himself. I do believe that GZ feared for his life during the beating he got from TM. But I also believe that if we could ask TM, he would say he was defending himself against a creepy guy that was following him, and after trying to get away & get home, he felt he had no choice but to resort to violence to prevent this unknown older stranger from following him home and harming him or his younger sibling. Both were standing their ground to prevent a perceived attack. But had GZ listened to the advice of the police dispatcher and stayed by the mailboxes to meet the responding officers, no one would’ve been injured or killed that night. GZ obviously believed TM was a threat, otherwise he wouldn’t‘ve called the police. Given that belief, approaching him, even by accident, was a bad idea. GZ should’ve literally stood the ground he was standing on when he started his 911 call, and stayed there to greet the responding officers. Obviously, hindsight’s 20/20. But it’s hard to accept GZ invoking a right to self-defense after putting himself into the situation that required him to defend himself. YMMV... Armed or unarmed, the best way to defend yourself is not to get into an altercation in the first place. Avoid dangerous situations, retreat from them when you can, diffuse them when you can, and only fight if you have no other choice in defense of self or others.
The significant facts presented to the public: GZ followed TM in his car. TM was walking home unarmed. TM noticed an unfamiliar person following him in a car at night. GZ got out of his car with a loaded gun. There was an altercation between GZ and TM. GZ was significantly bigger than TM; however, GZ got the worse of the altercation. GZ shot and killed TM. anything else you or I want to add to that story is most likely inspired by our imaginations and not based in fact.
The duty to retreat is an archaic law that originates from old English law before firearms, when people used knives and blunt objects to kill. So if you didn’t retreat back then, the thought was that you wanted to fight and was a willing participant. However, guns changed everything. Guns are remote control weapons, and if you start retreating to someone who has a gun, then they will shoot you in the back and kill you. Massad Ayoob the an expert on this. As always the Valente brothers, especially Pedro, explained it logically and perfectly. ua-cam.com/video/irnD34P2l1w/v-deo.html
Petição: Secretaria Nacional dos Povos Indígenas. Por um lado, ele se transformou num exemplo de democracia para a América Latina. Mas, por outro, persistem situações concretas que nos denigrem e que exigem respostas imediatas de governantes e governados. Como você pode conviver, na sua consciência sabendo que os Índios são marginalizada a mais 500 anos? E futuro quando netos lhes perguntar.... Urgente existência de uma Secretaria Nacional dos Povos Indígenas.
ju•jit•su also ju•jut•su or jiu•jit•su or jiu•jut•su (jo͞o‑jĭt′so͞o) n. An art of weaponless self-defense developed in Japan that uses throws, holds, and blows and derives added power from the attacker's own weight and strength. Japanese jūjitsu : jū, soft; see judo + jitsu, arts (from Middle Chinese zhwit).
If you can run away, just let your ego go and run. It's not worth it, if you can avoid it. My friend learned that the hard way. But I do agree that liberal states, like my, that say you have a duty to retreat first are ridiculous. Basically, it's like you could go to jail for defending yourself and that sucks.
Being an expert in a martial art like Jiu Jitsu and "being an expert in self defense" are two completely different things. I believe the Valente brothers are experts in Jit Jitsu. The comments they make in the video, however, indicate a lack of expertise in and knowledge of actual defense against violent assault, robbery, rape, murder, etc.
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 , good question. They say that retreating poses a risk to the victim, especially an unarmed victim versus an armed opponent. In almost ANY assault, avoidance, escape, and retreat are the best alternatives for the victim (I am not saying that the victim has any duty or obligation to retreat). To voluntarily stay and fight against a large, aggressive, multiple, or armed attacker is generally foolish. Barring being a well-trained fighter, retreat is almost always the best choice. If one cannot flee, then sure, fight... but fight your way to escape. The Valente brothers, as nice and skilled as they may be, are conflating an actual assault where someone is trying to murder, rape, or hospitalize you with a casual fight or conflict where someone does not intend to end you. This isn't about having a right to fight (or a ridiculous "duty to retreat"). It is about surviving. If you want to survive, fleeing is the better choice for almost everyone in almost every case. If you cannot flee (or think your ego is worth dying or killing over), then have fun staying and fighting. Their claims about weapon figures are delusional. MOST men carry a weapon -- at least a knife.
Jitsu they teach to their students (100% Helio Gracie Jiu-Jitsu) was designed to teach a smaller or weaker person to defend themselves in ANY situation, against ANY attack by ANY attacker, of ANY size. Intelligence OVER brute force.
1) Unarmed self defense is the least effective and least intelligent form of self defense. Any adult who is serious about the ability to protect himself or his family should be armed at all times. 2) There is no parallel between a fight between kids in the 2nd or 3rd grade, an adult street fight, and an actual assault. 3) Duty to retreat laws are ignorant, but the "safest" thing to do in a real assault is usually to escape by whatever means necessary.
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595, regarding 2: I am having a hard time imagining how any rational person can claim that a typical schoolyard fight among elementary school boys and an armed murder are similar. However, I don't know you, so I don't know if you are just trolling, are a VB kool aide drinker, or what. In any event I wish you all the best. Be safe.
@@philoalethia I’m not a cool aide drinker, I just actually watch footage of “street fights”. Not every fight is a fight to the death, and you’re not always going to be justified in shooting/stabbing everyone.
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595, there is no point in responding to points I never asserted or even implied. In any event, if you are ever attacked by someone who truly intends you harm, I encourage you to flee. But the choice is yours.
Thanks for another amazing video Professors!!
Excellent and timely discussion. In my mind there should be no debate - it's your natural human right to stand your ground if you reasonably feel that retreating is not the best option.
Regardless of your viewpoint this is a conservative topic and an inalienable right. I took up studying Jui Jitsu because I needed self defense living on the streets of New York. This art has helped realize some anxiety and provide me mental and physical tools to guide me through situations like that one’si experienced before I ever stepped on the mat. This is real. Thank you for your service fellas
Great video. Excellent description for the use of Stand Your Ground.
Thank you for this video.
I like these guys
Great video guys, I totally agree!
the "duty to retreat" laws are just furthering the "victim" mentality.
i love the video guys, good job.
Thank you!
Great talk
Interesting video.
Awesome
Valid points very good position and needs exposure to the public
Good video professor thats the original jiu jitsu its about!!!!
It's right for the law to expect someone to avoid the altercation in the first place if possible - even by backing down, losing face or just disengaging. Getting goaded into an ego fight is the opposite of jiu-jiusu. Avoiding the fight or using reasonable (legal) force if attacked is jiu-jitsu.
Seth Murray: The Valente Brothers teach the original Jiu-Jitsu as developed by Grand Master Helio Gracie. The sole purpose of this system is to effectively defend oneself in any scenario devoid of being armed. The Valente Brothers are quite aware of the effectiveness of firearms and other weapons. They have taught SRT, SWAT, military special operations personnel from multiple branches. Might I suggest you research a bit more before making anymore unfounded comments. Tx
One of the jurors them selves just came out and said that they will never really know what happened that night since there were no witnesses till after the shooting. So where did you get these witnesses?
please explain.
Nice video, well done. Unfortunately it is difficult to defend yourself against someone who has a gun.
Hence "reasonable doubt"
I support much of what they said in this video regarding the right to defend oneself, but even today (4 years after), I still believe that in the case that made Stand Your Ground an issue, GZ created and made far worse the situation he found himself in that forced him to defend himself.
I do believe that GZ feared for his life during the beating he got from TM. But I also believe that if we could ask TM, he would say he was defending himself against a creepy guy that was following him, and after trying to get away & get home, he felt he had no choice but to resort to violence to prevent this unknown older stranger from following him home and harming him or his younger sibling.
Both were standing their ground to prevent a perceived attack. But had GZ listened to the advice of the police dispatcher and stayed by the mailboxes to meet the responding officers, no one would’ve been injured or killed that night. GZ obviously believed TM was a threat, otherwise he wouldn’t‘ve called the police. Given that belief, approaching him, even by accident, was a bad idea. GZ should’ve literally stood the ground he was standing on when he started his 911 call, and stayed there to greet the responding officers.
Obviously, hindsight’s 20/20. But it’s hard to accept GZ invoking a right to self-defense after putting himself into the situation that required him to defend himself. YMMV...
Armed or unarmed, the best way to defend yourself is not to get into an altercation in the first place. Avoid dangerous situations, retreat from them when you can, diffuse them when you can, and only fight if you have no other choice in defense of self or others.
@jackiebrown when you know jiu-jitsu you definitely have a better chance of defending against a gun, specially close quarters.
Seth Murray: FYI
The significant facts presented to the public: GZ followed TM in his car. TM was walking home unarmed. TM noticed an unfamiliar person following him in a car at night. GZ got out of his car with a loaded gun. There was an altercation between GZ and TM. GZ was significantly bigger than TM; however, GZ got the worse of the altercation. GZ shot and killed TM.
anything else you or I want to add to that story is most likely inspired by our imaginations and not based in fact.
The duty to retreat is an archaic law that originates from old English law before firearms, when people used knives and blunt objects to kill. So if you didn’t retreat back then, the thought was that you wanted to fight and was a willing participant. However, guns changed everything. Guns are remote control weapons, and if you start retreating to someone who has a gun, then they will shoot you in the back and kill you. Massad Ayoob the an expert on this. As always the Valente brothers, especially Pedro, explained it logically and perfectly.
ua-cam.com/video/irnD34P2l1w/v-deo.html
Petição: Secretaria Nacional dos Povos Indígenas.
Por um lado, ele se transformou num exemplo de democracia para a América Latina.
Mas, por outro, persistem situações concretas que nos denigrem
e que exigem respostas imediatas de governantes e governados.
Como você pode conviver, na sua consciência sabendo que os Índios são marginalizada a mais 500 anos? E futuro quando netos lhes perguntar....
Urgente existência de uma Secretaria Nacional dos Povos Indígenas.
not ture, there were other witnesses that confirmed what zimmerman had said.
ju•jit•su also ju•jut•su or jiu•jit•su or jiu•jut•su (jo͞o‑jĭt′so͞o) n. An art of weaponless self-defense developed in Japan that uses throws, holds, and blows and derives added power from the attacker's own weight and strength. Japanese jūjitsu : jū, soft; see judo + jitsu, arts (from Middle Chinese zhwit).
If you can run away, just let your ego go and run. It's not worth it, if you can avoid it. My friend learned that the hard way. But I do agree that liberal states, like my, that say you have a duty to retreat first are ridiculous. Basically, it's like you could go to jail for defending yourself and that sucks.
Being an expert in a martial art like Jiu Jitsu and "being an expert in self defense" are two completely different things. I believe the Valente brothers are experts in Jit Jitsu. The comments they make in the video, however, indicate a lack of expertise in and knowledge of actual defense against violent assault, robbery, rape, murder, etc.
Lol, comments such as what?
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 , good question.
They say that retreating poses a risk to the victim, especially an unarmed victim versus an armed opponent. In almost ANY assault, avoidance, escape, and retreat are the best alternatives for the victim (I am not saying that the victim has any duty or obligation to retreat). To voluntarily stay and fight against a large, aggressive, multiple, or armed attacker is generally foolish. Barring being a well-trained fighter, retreat is almost always the best choice. If one cannot flee, then sure, fight... but fight your way to escape.
The Valente brothers, as nice and skilled as they may be, are conflating an actual assault where someone is trying to murder, rape, or hospitalize you with a casual fight or conflict where someone does not intend to end you.
This isn't about having a right to fight (or a ridiculous "duty to retreat"). It is about surviving. If you want to survive, fleeing is the better choice for almost everyone in almost every case. If you cannot flee (or think your ego is worth dying or killing over), then have fun staying and fighting.
Their claims about weapon figures are delusional. MOST men carry a weapon -- at least a knife.
we don't know what happened, we only have the word of the defendant to go on because the only other person who knows what actually happened is dead.
Trayvon stood his ground.
So are you saying Zimmerman attacked the kid? Based on what evidence/information that you have?
This is NOT about Travon.
Seth Murray, if you actually knew any history about the Valente brothers then you would know that they are experts in self defense. The Jiu
Jitsu they teach to their students (100% Helio Gracie Jiu-Jitsu) was designed to teach a smaller or weaker person to defend themselves in ANY situation, against ANY attack by ANY attacker, of ANY size. Intelligence OVER brute force.
1) Unarmed self defense is the least effective and least intelligent form of self defense. Any adult who is serious about the ability to protect himself or his family should be armed at all times.
2) There is no parallel between a fight between kids in the 2nd or 3rd grade, an adult street fight, and an actual assault.
3) Duty to retreat laws are ignorant, but the "safest" thing to do in a real assault is usually to escape by whatever means necessary.
Seth Murray hurr durr 'murica gibbe my gunz must be armed at all times
1. You can’t shoot/stab everyone
2. There actually is
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595, regarding 2: I am having a hard time imagining how any rational person can claim that a typical schoolyard fight among elementary school boys and an armed murder are similar.
However, I don't know you, so I don't know if you are just trolling, are a VB kool aide drinker, or what. In any event I wish you all the best.
Be safe.
@@philoalethia I’m not a cool aide drinker, I just actually watch footage of “street fights”. Not every fight is a fight to the death, and you’re not always going to be justified in shooting/stabbing everyone.
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595, there is no point in responding to points I never asserted or even implied.
In any event, if you are ever attacked by someone who truly intends you harm, I encourage you to flee. But the choice is yours.