VBTV: Medals, Self-Defense and what is Jiu-Jitsu.
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- Опубліковано 10 сер 2014
- Valente brothers, Pedro and Gui Valente discuss the renewed interest within the Jiu-JItsu community to teach Jiu-Jitsu as a Self-Defense system rather than a sport.
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Getting back to the original intent and meaning of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
THANK YOU VALENTE BROTHERS FOR YOUR COMMINTMENT ON THE ORIGINAL JIU JITSU. GREETINGS FROM GUATEMALA.
This is The Truth !!!! The Complete System !! This is EXACTLY what I want !!!! These are 2 honest talented men.... !!!!!I might have to move to north Miami......!!!
Absolutely agree, and experienced the best- VALENTE
You have to train at a Valente Brothers' school to understand that have a very well rounded curriculum and set of training methods. They practice self defense techniques, judo and other stand-up wrestling, striking from the feet and on the ground, they roll often just like in sport BJJ, the spar in an MMA fashion no gi with gloves and shin guards. It's a very rich experience. There is no getting bored there. They keep out most of the highly sportive techniques but it's not like there aren't 100's of high percentage ground and stand up grappling techniques to master. Don't think that just because they promote Gracie "Self Defense" that they only stand there practicing headlock escapes. But also they make the subject of say dealing with headlocks super interesting. If you haven't gone to a handful of their classes you can't quite understand what they are about and how interesting the program is. This is coming from a BJJ brown belt in New York who visits the Valente Brother's school in Jupiter whenever I am there to see family. Love it.
+Michael Medel Hmm... what you described sounds like a dumbed down version of MMA.
Right. Sounds almost like mma kata
@kellenober5817 sounds like there are staying true to art and what it was created for
You created different levels! I hope people see hard work for circus arts!
Valente brothers always make great videos. I train at the NYMAA which teaches JKD, and my instructors say the same things I've heard on this video. It would be great to see Valente Brothers collaborate with NYMAA
Awesome video. I study at a school that teaches Gracie Self-Defense, but a lot of the higher level black-belts are not familiar with the self defense techniques and mainly come to the rolling class.
Keep up the good work!
Best from Norway.
This is a good video, it is a revival of traditional jujitsu which is the same, a complete fighting system that has everything from strikes to grappling to joint manipulation to ground fighting, knife defence and any encounter that may occur in the streets
I would love to train with these guys #RealJiuJitsu
great video, thank you! I agree totally with you guys
Great video!
I am fan and student of BJJ, but it must be understood that BJJ is primarily a sport. All of the self-defense techniques are taught at the white belt level and everything else is sport. I personally am only interested in the self-defense aspect of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
I don't agree, respectfully
Self defense techniches are made for all levels.
You are just promoted to black belt when you finish the course of self defense.
Unfortunately, many schools forget about it and promote guys to black belt based only in championship results
I like these guys
I think a lot of people come for the self defense aspects, but then stay for the sport. If there wasn't a sport aspect to BJJ, I think I would get bored perpetually preparing for a street fight that I will probably never get into.
Yep
Not et all. in my dojo we spar Vale Tudo JJ Punches, Kicks, Grappling the whole thing! is way more Fun! and at least you don't look like a butt scooter idiot.
How many years of adult martial arts training do both of you have?
But its not about a street fight you could get
Its about being confident, relaxed in any situation.
Sport jiu jitsu is nice, but its not as important as self defense jiu jitsu. The main point of self desense jiu jitsu is to give you the confidence you need to handle any situation
Good stuff.
Amen.
MMA IS A GREAT SPORT, BUT IT HAS MANY RULES THAT ARE YOU WONT FIND ON A REAL STREET FIGHT. SELF DEFENSE SHOULD BE REAL, NO POINTS, NO RULES, NO TIME LIMMITS, NO WEIGTH DIVISIONS. VALE TUDO HELIO GRACIE ORIGINAL SELF DEFENSE JIU JITSU. NOT A SPORT. IS THE REAL DEAL, 2 DIFFERENT THINGS. BOTH GOOD BUT DIFFERENT.
I'd say that MMA is a complete fighting style.
I'd say that 'MMA' has all the main components, like striking, takedowns, grappling, etc…but lacks a strategy to be a 'complete style' or seamless system in a way that would enable an average guy to first survive and second prevail in a no rules / no time limit confrontation against a bad dude.
If someone is tougher, stronger, or better at the parts that make up MMA or is just a bad dude,…your gonna get really hurt (at best) if you think your going to just MMA them into submission.
Usually you have to be a better boxer, better kick-boxer, better grappler, etc. to defeat bad dudes that practice those aspects or hope they don't know one of those aspects as well as you might, AND you'll have to be tougher physically than the bad dude too if you aren't lucky.
MMA has physical and emotional benefits if you don't get into a real fight with a faster or tougher guy. MMA is a sport more than a complete self defense, or fighting style, if at all.
MMA is now a product of the UFC which no longer resembles an outcome of a real fight,…the rules and time limits- do exactly that…LIMIT the outcome, and limit the athletes/performers to train for specific rules and timelines that are NOT realistic but for the sake of entertainment. They are tough but it is a game. It's not a complete fighting style because it serves the main function of entertaining... so I have to conclude with MMA you are being taught how to better entertain- not to survive and win.
***** Awesome words my friend! I think I agree actually! I probably just like MMA mostly because how cool it is fighting not necessarily how much it would help on street. What are your thoughts on other traditional striking arts like kung fu, tae kwon de etc??
Examine them, do they rely on speed, athleticism, flexibility, how much so? Can you defeat stronger opponents realistically? Maybe they are fun to practice anyway. Your entering the rabbit hole for exploring and conversing but here's the tip of the ice berg;
There are definitely various merits to traditional striking arts,... but Jiu-Jitsu has many 'traditional' striking techniques that are not included in the public's perception of Jiu-Jitsu, or even many schools that teach,... but they have always been part of Jiu-Jitsu…but thats the point- it's lost on the current competition mesmerized public that have a limited understanding. Follow the rabbit whole of where Jiu-Jitsu is from and where it is today and what the Valente Brothers and possibly some of the Gracie brothers are teaching which is based on what really happens during confrontations.
An example comes to mind to make a point,…there is a video of Rorion Gracie fighting a Kung Fu guy from sometime ago, and Rorion closed the distance, took him down, choked him out, and the challenge was over rather quickly which says somethings about the method Rorion used, his proficiency, and the lack of knowledge his opponent had, and Rorion had to do the same thing a few times over because his challenger thought there would be a different outcome the next two or three times he accepted the chance to try again,.. …OK the guy wasn't Bruce Lee, not even close, but the Kung Fu guy was relying on his ability of taking Rorion out or damaging Rorion in a single blow or two,.. it was not realistic (even with the multiple opportunities- not realistic),…so there are individuals like Bruce Lee (rare) who might have amazing ability and can accomplish this at times (listen to 5:30 about in the video above where Pedro mentions this aspect) who rely on very small windows of opportunity and possibly prevail but that is opposite to this Jiu-Jitsu philosophy which was adjusted and refined by Helio who took the least amount of risk possible and did leverage based moves to protect himself and control the opponent and then submit if he could, which he did,... which is a very short summary.
What's the philosophy behind the Kung Fu teacher, or the Muay Thai teacher, the MMA teacher, or the Jiu-Jitsu academy...and is that your goal, is that how you want to spend your time, seriously. Lastly can someone teach a complete system in a practical manner not just the attention getting clever stuff that might not be practical? At the end of the day you should see the proof of your own improvement, in your discipline that you choose, in yourself as a person, and of course in your ability to deal with a realistic threat by an attacker bigger and badder than you. It tasks patience but a good level of proficiency should be practical in a reasonable amount of time as well.
It is very complete, but it has over 40+ rules that you wont find on a street real fight. no gloves, no weigth class, no belts system, no points, no time limit, no rules at all. In order to be self defense it should meet all those characteristics, it is a great sport that will give you an advantege on the street, but is not self defense at its best.
Álvaro Ortiz First the definition of the word 'complete' is...
: having all necessary parts : not lacking anything
: not limited in any way
: not requiring more work : entirely done or completed
So, MMA is NOT "complete". Very simple to understand.
MMA is in fact very limited,...which motivated the longer explanation in the First Reply to Denzel, which was agreeing with one of the messages in the video post. There are significant gaps, despite the various elements that compose MMA, it is not complete or a well integrated system at all.
It's kind of funny after a thorough explanation of why MMA is NOT 'complete' the next comment starts with... "It is very complete, but..."
As they say, you can lead a horse to water...but they will often talk themselves to death before drinking water. Something like that.