Start about 3/4 inch back from the tip and blend up to the point until you have a nice acute tip. This is something I've considered doing a video showing.
Yeah. Those KME diamond stones will eat through the tip ultra fast. I learned that the hard way. Also...excellent Google document. It's really well organized and helpful. I know that takes time. Its appreciated.
@@Outpost_76 I got to looking at it closer after I sent that and the tip wasn’t rounded per say. It’s a Benchmade. Great knives but as you probably know their grind isn’t always the same angle from heel to tip. After I sharpened it I noticed it and I always make sure I’m not rounding my tips off. The closer I looked the I noticed that it was just a different angle at the tip than the rest of the blade. Worked on it for about 30 minutes yesterday and got it all even again.
I like the way you use the clamp rod to relieve the pressure on the rotation detents!! Old machinist here, I have watched literally several hundred KME videos over the last five years, you and I seem to be the only people that do that to save the detents and the locking plates landings and surface!
Thank you for the tips on tip I am always trying to get better on the KME. Trying to work up the courage to do a tanto I really don't want to round off one of my good tantos.
Awesome video g, and I really dig your set up with the dowel. That rod they use with their base does have a lot of play. I’ve had a few people ask me to do these vids, and I’ve help a few people, that made me think these videos are highly relevant. I actually approach the tip differently personally, but I can see that working very well, too.
Thanks, I'd love to see how you do it. Never hurts to have more than one perspective. I do enjoy the base I made, pretty snug fit with very little movement.
Great ideas. Just thinking about this today. I usually use sharpy to make sure I’m hitting the tip. And Use very light pressure (almost like lifting the weight of the stone a bit). One could Hold the sharpener upside down to check how far out you are going. Most recently, I’ve been holding the KME at an angle (tip up- which keeps the pressure towards the handle) and I grip the stone holder in the middle for better control. I think really light pressure is key bc the contact area is so small and ‘normal’ pressure magnifies any mistakes. Thanks for video!
I really thought I wasn't going to like it. Then when it came u was really surprised how comfortable it is to use. As soon as I test it you're welcome to check it out, just let me know.
@@Outpost_76 I appreciate the offer but I may be moving soon. Also, it's inexpensive enough that if I ever get the itch I can just buy one. I however am looking forward to your tests. I think the steel has potential but I'm not sure how well they heat treated it. Also, I got a laugh from "suck the tip right off". Well done.
In several of your videos you mention that you sharpen with 15 deg per side on KME. Now I know that one can reverse the angle adapter upside down to get under 17 degrees, but don't you then get an issue with colliding with the clamp jaws? I have an older (one of the first ones I guess) version of the KME and with narrower blades I can't even get to 17 degrees. Is there some additional trick or do you have a different clamp?
Its actually water and a little dish soap. It adds lubrication and helps "float" particles away from the stone pores the way cleaning out a drill bit full of wood helps it cut better.
So how would I fix a rounded over tip? I'm having a hard time keeping my bevel even towards the heel, and I just managed to round over and dull my Megatherium tip.
Depending on how badly the tip is rounded it could take more than 1 sharpening to fix without removing too much material. If you just did one or two passes over the tip and rounded it just a little then slowly take your time and blend the last half to 3/4 inch of the secondary bevel until your tip is pointy and sharp again. If it's really rounded over over the next few sharpenings work the tip area until you get back to having a crisp point. As far as the bevel being wider at the heel is that because the sharpening choil isn't far enough out from the plunge grind or it could also be from removing too much from one side before moving to the other side. Is the bevel equally wide on both sides at the heel? How rounded is the tip? Email or message me pictures through Instagram and I can get a better idea of what's going on.
Hi Gerald! This is an excellent instructional video, and I definitely have mixed results on the tip when using my KME. This instructional identifies my errors for sure and provides solutions. Before I sharpen again, I will watch this again so its fresh in my mind and begin to practice these techniques. Thank you.
Agreed completely! I try to keep the "halfway point of the stone" in alignment with the tip of the knife. Once the stone goes more than half way past the tip it will roll it over. I roll mine over if I rush. Otherwise it's not an issue. P.S. This tip works for the edge pro and hapstone sharpeners too, Not just the KME.
Great tip on the tip G...lol. I do really like that base and dowel setup you made. Do you recall what size dowel you used? It's a much tighter fit than the KME original one in their base, be great for better accuracy if reprofiling with an angle cube. Thanks for the great vid G.
Very nice video! 👍
Thank you
Thanks for the help. Any tips on how to sharpen a tip back, if it's been rounded off slightly?
Start about 3/4 inch back from the tip and blend up to the point until you have a nice acute tip. This is something I've considered doing a video showing.
@@Outpost_76 Thanks, if you get the chance I would watch for sure
Awesome of you to show those tips! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the tip tips. You have a nice setup there Gerald.
You're welcome and thank you.
Hi thank you for this video, If I’m understanding correctly I only let about half of the stone actually touch the tip?
Yes
Yeah. Those KME diamond stones will eat through the tip ultra fast. I learned that the hard way.
Also...excellent Google document. It's really well organized and helpful. I know that takes time. Its appreciated.
Thank you, Andrew Kent did a great job putting that list together to have all the data in one place.
Great advice, thanks !
You're welcome
How about fixing a tip somebody has already screwed up? Change the angle from heel to tip, or what’s the best way to go about it?
Either grind the spine down to make it pointy again or sharpen until the apex comes back up where it needs to be.
@@Outpost_76 I got to looking at it closer after I sent that and the tip wasn’t rounded per say. It’s a Benchmade. Great knives but as you probably know their grind isn’t always the same angle from heel to tip. After I sharpened it I noticed it and I always make sure I’m not rounding my tips off. The closer I looked the I noticed that it was just a different angle at the tip than the rest of the blade. Worked on it for about 30 minutes yesterday and got it all even again.
How do you prevent straightening out bellies with these systems i am just starting always freehanded before i am not having much luck so far.
Don't use too much pressure or over sharpen in that area.
Great video Gerald! Should be a great help for both new and some seasoned users.
Thanks, I appreciate it.
Some knife tips are trickier than others, thanks for the tip my friend
You're welcome
I like the way you use the clamp rod to relieve the pressure on the rotation detents!!
Old machinist here, I have watched literally several hundred KME videos over the last five years, you and I seem to be the only people that do that to save the detents and the locking plates landings and surface!
Thank you for the tips on tip I am always trying to get better on the KME. Trying to work up the courage to do a tanto I really don't want to round off one of my good tantos.
Just do a tanto one edge at a time. Do the longer edge then reclamp the knife and do the front edge. I may sharpen one soon and put it up here
Awesome video g, and I really dig your set up with the dowel. That rod they use with their base does have a lot of play. I’ve had a few people ask me to do these vids, and I’ve help a few people, that made me think these videos are highly relevant. I actually approach the tip differently personally, but I can see that working very well, too.
Thanks, I'd love to see how you do it. Never hurts to have more than one perspective. I do enjoy the base I made, pretty snug fit with very little movement.
👍👍👍👍👍 nice 👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks
Thanks. I'm sure I've been hanging over the edge. I like the idea of slightly altering pressure away from the tip, too.
Great ideas. Just thinking about this today.
I usually use sharpy to make sure I’m hitting the tip. And Use very light pressure (almost like lifting the weight of the stone a bit).
One could Hold the sharpener upside down to check how far out you are going.
Most recently, I’ve been holding the KME at an angle (tip up- which keeps the pressure towards the handle) and I grip the stone holder in the middle for better control.
I think really light pressure is key bc the contact area is so small and ‘normal’ pressure magnifies any mistakes.
Thanks for video!
You're welcome and pressure is another way just like you said.
1:14 I see.
How do you like the Takin?
I really thought I wasn't going to like it. Then when it came u was really surprised how comfortable it is to use. As soon as I test it you're welcome to check it out, just let me know.
@@Outpost_76 I appreciate the offer but I may be moving soon. Also, it's inexpensive enough that if I ever get the itch I can just buy one. I however am looking forward to your tests. I think the steel has potential but I'm not sure how well they heat treated it. Also, I got a laugh from "suck the tip right off". Well done.
In several of your videos you mention that you sharpen with 15 deg per side on KME. Now I know that one can reverse the angle adapter upside down to get under 17 degrees, but don't you then get an issue with colliding with the clamp jaws? I have an older (one of the first ones I guess) version of the KME and with narrower blades I can't even get to 17 degrees. Is there some additional trick or do you have a different clamp?
First I have seen oil used on diamonds. What’s the benefit?
Preference really, I dont always use water. Lately I've just been running them dry.
Its actually water and a little dish soap. It adds lubrication and helps "float" particles away from the stone pores the way cleaning out a drill bit full of wood helps it cut better.
So how would I fix a rounded over tip? I'm having a hard time keeping my bevel even towards the heel, and I just managed to round over and dull my Megatherium tip.
Depending on how badly the tip is rounded it could take more than 1 sharpening to fix without removing too much material. If you just did one or two passes over the tip and rounded it just a little then slowly take your time and blend the last half to 3/4 inch of the secondary bevel until your tip is pointy and sharp again. If it's really rounded over over the next few sharpenings work the tip area until you get back to having a crisp point. As far as the bevel being wider at the heel is that because the sharpening choil isn't far enough out from the plunge grind or it could also be from removing too much from one side before moving to the other side.
Is the bevel equally wide on both sides at the heel?
How rounded is the tip?
Email or message me pictures through Instagram and I can get a better idea of what's going on.
@@Outpost_76 thank you ! What's your Instagram? I can send pics tonight
@@Outpost_76 nevermind, I added you and messaged you on Instagram lol. I appreciate it sir!
@@gmrpnk211 you're welcome
Hi Gerald! This is an excellent instructional video, and I definitely have mixed results on the tip when using my KME. This instructional identifies my errors for sure and provides solutions. Before I sharpen again, I will watch this again so its fresh in my mind and begin to practice these techniques. Thank you.
You're welcome, I've had some ask me about doing tips and I've seen my share of ones rounded off. I hope this helps you out.
Agreed completely! I try to keep the "halfway point of the stone" in alignment with the tip of the knife. Once the stone goes more than half way past the tip it will roll it over. I roll mine over if I rush. Otherwise it's not an issue. P.S. This tip works for the edge pro and hapstone sharpeners too, Not just the KME.
Thw Edge Pro is where I carried this over from.
This ones for an edge pro, but has a good technique if you want to minimize scratches as much as possible. ua-cam.com/video/U9uwmm_THiw/v-deo.html
Great tip on the tip G...lol. I do really like that base and dowel setup you made. Do you recall what size dowel you used? It's a much tighter fit than the KME original one in their base, be great for better accuracy if reprofiling with an angle cube. Thanks for the great vid G.
I dont off hand but I'll measure it and let you know what size I used.