Here are all the links used/shown in the video: www.smogon.com/forums/threads/gsc-ou-viability-rankings-mk-4.3633233/ www.smogon.com/forums/threads/gsc-ou-sample-teams-breakdown-updated-july-2023.3688523/ www.smogon.com/forums/threads/gsc-viability-ranking-ou.3503082/ www.smogon.com/forums/threads/gsc-team-by-borat.3584375/ www.smogon.com/forums/threads/spl-v-weekly-usage-statistics.3497684/ pastebin.com/EHhLLMLC (be warned - contains three instances of gamer language (slurs)) pastebin.com/9SpaGV35 ua-cam.com/video/SQTTw9mpol4/v-deo.html&ab_channel=BKC replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen2ou-183612 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen2ou-253419 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen2ou-256897 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen2ou-340003 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen2ou-345325 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen2ou-382996 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen2ou-388930 www.smogon.com/forums/threads/smogon-premier-league-xiv-usage-statistics.3714957/ www.smogon.com/forums/threads/smogon-classic-ix-usage-statistics.3725849/
You know, I'm a big fan of Gholdengo in gen 9, but I struggle to wrap my head around the fact that its typing is the same as Aegislash. Like, Aegislash tends to look like it's levitating even though it's not (and then Gholdengo actually levitates a lot with balloon). It's one of those pairs of Pokemon with the same typing that don't *feel* like they have the same typing. Kartana and Ferrothorn are another pair like that where it's more obvious why they feel so different. Anyway, I've been wondering what it would be like if Aegislash was in gen 4? Would it get a day of fame in OU before it gets banned? And when that's done, how will DPP Ubers be shaken up by such a formidable dragon resist that can also spinblock and use shadow sneak? Would it be a good lead? I've been discussing this with Ryan Gosling on messenger recently, so don't be surprised if he also asks you about it. We're pretty intrigued.
It's so nice to see more GSC OU videos, I actually got into the metagame recently thanks to your channel and it's now my favorite by far. I'm absolute ass at it but I'm sure I'll be decent in 12-13 years down the line
One of the most interesting things to me about GSC specifically is how many moveset restrictions there are due to trades, events, etc. There's a smogon post from '21 with all of them and it's mind boggling the extent of it, of course most don't matter (as the majority of moves have no competitive merit) but there sure are a lot that affect the meta like here where Golem has to choose between utility and non HP stab.
I found tentacruel to be one of the most restricted. It has a ton of cool options like reflect, mirror coat, spin, sub, and swords dance, but all those moves are incompatible with each other to some degree. Heal bell restricting counter and twave on blissey also sucks
I was frustrated with my past self who had, earlier today, chosen to watch the Gen 3 Choice Scarf video, thereby precluding its consumption as bedtime audio content. But lo! I am saved! BKC has released another discussion, a mere 6 hours later.
@arkelon Roar not only has negative priority but straight up fails if it doesn't go last. So the faster mon will still go first, but their Roar will fail and do nothing, and then the slower one actually gets their Roar off.
GSC's duality is crazy. On one hand the format is precious to Golem, but on the flipside of that coin Smeargle is quite unloved. He must think the meta is quite the sneaky little Hoppip.
i still use your videos to treat my insomnia but I'm afraid I haven't really listened since your gen 5 sun era. I just can't support this channel given your defeaning silence on the rise of gen 3 ou tier staple pain split duskull, which rose to combat previous tier #1 claydol
Wanna know something wild: i dont play any competitive pokemon but watching bkc just pop off for 30mins to the point he is about to piss himself and he doesn’t even edit out the bathroom break is just such a dedication to the craft that he’s become one of my favorite youtubers
Thank you BKC. I've been playing GSCOU seriously lately, and this video gave me a proper understanding of Golem. Against Cloyster, the key seems to be to set a timer with Toxic (Snorlax's Thunder is also good if you have one) and take advantage of not using Explosion when resetting Spikes. If Cloyster goes faint before Golem goes faint, an opponent will be unable to reset Spikes permanently, giving you a big advantage. Also, just because you're using Golem doesn't necessarily mean you have to use Spin. It is also important to remove Zapdos with Explosion. The threat to offensive teams is Spikes + Zapdos, so being able to remove one of them is important. From here on is my opinion, Golem is highly appreciated in modern GSC because it has become to be focused on battles between offensive teams. I think a lot of Golem's benefits mentioned in this video are its ability to defend against offensive teams. Against stall teams, I feel Steelix's defensive stats and typing are important, especially Toxic immute. (It's also mentioned in this video that Golem can also break walls with Fire Blast, but Golem's Fire Blast is a little lacking for 2HKO against Skarmory. If you give it Charcoal, there is a good chance of 2HKO against Skarmory, but this further weakens the defense performance, so prediction and luck will become a large factor in the success of breaking walls.) Anyway, this video gave me as a recent player a big insight.
Don't get me wrong, the physical special split was mostly a good thing, but the rock ground types got absolutely wrecked by it. I feel like they were so much more viable before the physical special split just in general
it was already not great for rock ground types before the physical special split. Pretty much all fire types ran a complementary hidden power type for good coverage with fire, and since rock grounds are so slow, even if they predicted right on the switch they’d just get outsped and die anyways.
sad to see this misconception is still widely believed. I play gsc uu in teamtours, and I think I speak for the vast majority of the playerbase when I say that curse chansey is not a common or effective set. it fails to break any of the normal resists, which are on almost every team to combat granbull, and is helpless vs opposing curse users. on stall, you already are going to have a problem with letting in qwilfish for free, and curse chansey not only does that, but also gives qwil free reign to click curse itself. using curse also means missing out on all the other good moves chansey could be using (present, thunder, heal bell, thunder wave, counter, etc). there's always give and take with chansey's move choice, but curse is going to give you the least utility of all the other options listed. stall teams typically will use curse hypno, which is similarly flawed in my opinion, granbull, or belly drum quagsire as their primary wincon. this is why I want to see BKC make a video on gsc lower tiers; there's a lot of misconceptions about these tiers (nidoqueen being #1, slowking being common, feraligatr being bad, etc), and I hope with his reach he may be able to better inform people on the machinations of these honestly really great tiers@@linkloyan4624
@@swineflu249 okay, thx for the detailed explanation and sorry for spreading semi truths about something I don’t actually play, usually that is not like me
it's no big deal. I take more issue with popular consensus being inaccurate than any one individual. glad to see you are willing to listen and learn :)@@linkloyan4624
For real, BKC could do a video theorizing on how the cross Gen johto evos (Mismagius, Honchkrow, Farigiraf, Ursaluna, etc) would impact GSC had they existed right from the start
it would still suck. Gengar no longer fears EQ (and hence removes it's best spin block target matchup) and can't really touch Skarmory. Also outclassed by claydol but maybe it would have a tiny niche
1:14:41 My question is who didn't use Snorlax on their team and how did they win. If both teams that didn't have Snorlax battled each other, then one of them winning isn't surprising. If it was any other situation, I would love to see a video on the Snorlax-less team winning a battle in GSC OU!
Usually it's a case of someone winning without revealing their lax - a relatively common example would be SD+agility baton passed to marowak and the game is just over.
I'm doing a video on the competitive history of Rock, and I do go over Golem in the first two gens, before the flaws of its typing and stat spread really reared their ugly head.
Great video as always BKC. However if possible I would appreciate if you didn't use this same audio backing music again the high frequency chirping on the beat is a bit grating. Thanks for the illuminating investigation of GSC golem, now all my coworkers will understand the rock
Well this is a very good vid indeed, bringing out a lot of good points about Golem and the metagame I general (only thing I don't agree so much with is the fact I feel you kinda underestimate Steelix, I think it can be good as long as you have a specific plan about using it and its Explosion). However I want to tell you one thing. It's a very long vid, especially the intro about past gsc. Non gsc mainers won't likely be interested to spend over an hour hearing about a gsc pokemon and gsc mainers will know most of the stuff already. I think it would be best if it was shorter and more structured, e.g. Golem main set, Golem strong point no1: (probably) only viable spin option on offense, Golem strong point no2: overall role compression, alternative moves&sets In any case, I hope you actually do the vid with borat you mentioned, would really love that
You're wrong, plenty of BKC's regular audience (me included) watch tons of his very long, rambly videos about very specific details of metagames we don't main or sometimes even don't play.
@henriquepacheco7473 well may be but I think there are many people (including me) that won't dedicate so much time listening about some metagame they don't play
Here are all the links used/shown in the video:
www.smogon.com/forums/threads/gsc-ou-viability-rankings-mk-4.3633233/
www.smogon.com/forums/threads/gsc-ou-sample-teams-breakdown-updated-july-2023.3688523/
www.smogon.com/forums/threads/gsc-viability-ranking-ou.3503082/
www.smogon.com/forums/threads/gsc-team-by-borat.3584375/
www.smogon.com/forums/threads/spl-v-weekly-usage-statistics.3497684/
pastebin.com/EHhLLMLC (be warned - contains three instances of gamer language (slurs))
pastebin.com/9SpaGV35
ua-cam.com/video/SQTTw9mpol4/v-deo.html&ab_channel=BKC
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen2ou-183612
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen2ou-253419
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen2ou-256897
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen2ou-340003
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen2ou-345325
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen2ou-382996
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen2ou-388930
www.smogon.com/forums/threads/smogon-premier-league-xiv-usage-statistics.3714957/
www.smogon.com/forums/threads/smogon-classic-ix-usage-statistics.3725849/
i've spent countless nights over the past 3 months trying to figure out why golem was rising in gsc ou - but now i have my answer. thank you bkc.
Cause it's Rock solid... I'll be going now. 😅
Bro that is so funny 😂😂
33:50 seeing this emoticon =] is like seeing an ancient hieroglyph
=] , >:P , and XD are the language of the ancients.
Time after time I find myself articulating The Rise of Golem in GSC OU
You have a Y chromosome
Ywnbaw
Based
@@GhGh-gq8oowhat?
Imagine being so dumb that you think trans people don’t know what chromosomes they have.
You know, I'm a big fan of Gholdengo in gen 9, but I struggle to wrap my head around the fact that its typing is the same as Aegislash. Like, Aegislash tends to look like it's levitating even though it's not (and then Gholdengo actually levitates a lot with balloon). It's one of those pairs of Pokemon with the same typing that don't *feel* like they have the same typing. Kartana and Ferrothorn are another pair like that where it's more obvious why they feel so different.
Anyway, I've been wondering what it would be like if Aegislash was in gen 4? Would it get a day of fame in OU before it gets banned? And when that's done, how will DPP Ubers be shaken up by such a formidable dragon resist that can also spinblock and use shadow sneak? Would it be a good lead?
I've been discussing this with Ryan Gosling on messenger recently, so don't be surprised if he also asks you about it. We're pretty intrigued.
Golem fell from grace in RBY and rises in GSC. Such is life.
Golem? I hardly know ‘em!
It's so nice to see more GSC OU videos, I actually got into the metagame recently thanks to your channel and it's now my favorite by far. I'm absolute ass at it but I'm sure I'll be decent in 12-13 years down the line
That's enough time to get about five games of GSC OU in.
@@glitchedoom hee hee hawhaw
2x Old gen uploads we eatin frfr
If the rise of Golem in GSC OU got a video this long, I can't imagine how long a video would be for the fall of Mightyena from OU to PU in gen 9 :^^)
The Great Tusk of GSC minus the tusks
Real
and the great
@@fulltimeslackerii8229 💀
The present paradox Pokemon, Big Rock.
lol
Rhydon: Haha! Haha! Haha!
*Gen 2 happens*
Rhydon: Ha Ha… Ho ho… ho ho… ho ho… hooooo-
*Rhydon falls out of viability compared to its Gen 1 days*
Rhydon was the asshole in high school that everyone begrudgingly tolerated. And once everything was said and done, no one talks to.
GSC is the one format where Golem laughs at Rhydon
One of the most interesting things to me about GSC specifically is how many moveset restrictions there are due to trades, events, etc. There's a smogon post from '21 with all of them and it's mind boggling the extent of it, of course most don't matter (as the majority of moves have no competitive merit) but there sure are a lot that affect the meta like here where Golem has to choose between utility and non HP stab.
I found tentacruel to be one of the most restricted. It has a ton of cool options like reflect, mirror coat, spin, sub, and swords dance, but all those moves are incompatible with each other to some degree.
Heal bell restricting counter and twave on blissey also sucks
what rapid spin does to a mf
So glad you made this vid. This is the thing i keep thinking about as "wait, how did this happen again?"
My opinion on the rise of golem in GSC OU has arrived
I was frustrated with my past self who had, earlier today, chosen to watch the Gen 3 Choice Scarf video, thereby precluding its consumption as bedtime audio content. But lo! I am saved! BKC has released another discussion, a mere 6 hours later.
How common is phazers in GSC running a little less speed to win roar wars? I wonder if that pays off in any way
roar raikou regularly drops to 319 speed (still outrunning gengar)!
Does the slower roarer move first?
@arkelon Roar not only has negative priority but straight up fails if it doesn't go last. So the faster mon will still go first, but their Roar will fail and do nothing, and then the slower one actually gets their Roar off.
@@hexsaver420 oh, interesting. I assume this changes in gen 3 because I've never noticed this interaction before?
@@hexsaver420ok I just got to the explanation in the video haha
The og bowling ball of pokemon
Miltank: *"Are you sure about that?"*
GSC's duality is crazy. On one hand the format is precious to Golem, but on the flipside of that coin Smeargle is quite unloved. He must think the meta is quite the sneaky little Hoppip.
i still use your videos to treat my insomnia but I'm afraid I haven't really listened since your gen 5 sun era. I just can't support this channel given your defeaning silence on the rise of gen 3 ou tier staple pain split duskull, which rose to combat previous tier #1 claydol
Wanna know something wild: i dont play any competitive pokemon but watching bkc just pop off for 30mins to the point he is about to piss himself and he doesn’t even edit out the bathroom break is just such a dedication to the craft that he’s become one of my favorite youtubers
Holy crap an hour long this will pair nicely with shaking in the shower going through withdrawals trying not to think abt the bridges ive burned :D
Two in one day this is awesome
Thank you BKC.
I've been playing GSCOU seriously lately, and this video gave me a proper understanding of Golem.
Against Cloyster, the key seems to be to set a timer with Toxic (Snorlax's Thunder is also good if you have one) and take advantage of not using Explosion when resetting Spikes.
If Cloyster goes faint before Golem goes faint, an opponent will be unable to reset Spikes permanently, giving you a big advantage.
Also, just because you're using Golem doesn't necessarily mean you have to use Spin. It is also important to remove Zapdos with Explosion.
The threat to offensive teams is Spikes + Zapdos, so being able to remove one of them is important.
From here on is my opinion, Golem is highly appreciated in modern GSC because it has become to be focused on battles between offensive teams.
I think a lot of Golem's benefits mentioned in this video are its ability to defend against offensive teams.
Against stall teams, I feel Steelix's defensive stats and typing are important, especially Toxic immute.
(It's also mentioned in this video that Golem can also break walls with Fire Blast, but Golem's Fire Blast is a little lacking for 2HKO against Skarmory. If you give it Charcoal, there is a good chance of 2HKO against Skarmory, but this further weakens the defense performance, so prediction and luck will become a large factor in the success of breaking walls.)
Anyway, this video gave me as a recent player a big insight.
Making up for the drought with a flood
Don't get me wrong, the physical special split was mostly a good thing, but the rock ground types got absolutely wrecked by it. I feel like they were so much more viable before the physical special split just in general
it goes from "fire types you want to check are hitting you with earthquake" to "fire types you want to check are hitting you with focus blast"
it was already not great for rock ground types before the physical special split. Pretty much all fire types ran a complementary hidden power type for good coverage with fire, and since rock grounds are so slow, even if they predicted right on the switch they’d just get outsped and die anyways.
always happy to see more gsc videos. any chance you'll cover the gsc lower tiers at some point?
you luck with shit teams
GSC UU - The only metagame where Chansey is a physical sweeper
sad to see this misconception is still widely believed. I play gsc uu in teamtours, and I think I speak for the vast majority of the playerbase when I say that curse chansey is not a common or effective set. it fails to break any of the normal resists, which are on almost every team to combat granbull, and is helpless vs opposing curse users. on stall, you already are going to have a problem with letting in qwilfish for free, and curse chansey not only does that, but also gives qwil free reign to click curse itself. using curse also means missing out on all the other good moves chansey could be using (present, thunder, heal bell, thunder wave, counter, etc). there's always give and take with chansey's move choice, but curse is going to give you the least utility of all the other options listed. stall teams typically will use curse hypno, which is similarly flawed in my opinion, granbull, or belly drum quagsire as their primary wincon. this is why I want to see BKC make a video on gsc lower tiers; there's a lot of misconceptions about these tiers (nidoqueen being #1, slowking being common, feraligatr being bad, etc), and I hope with his reach he may be able to better inform people on the machinations of these honestly really great tiers@@linkloyan4624
@@swineflu249 okay, thx for the detailed explanation and sorry for spreading semi truths about something I don’t actually play, usually that is not like me
it's no big deal. I take more issue with popular consensus being inaccurate than any one individual. glad to see you are willing to listen and learn :)@@linkloyan4624
As a new player who’s favorite team is Heracross + Boombait I definitely feel called out
Borats GSC team had 5 Kanto mons and only 1 Johto mon, which itself is the evolution of a Kanto mon… Tragic for Johto
borat???
Johto only added like 100 mons total and unless your team can fit TTar or Skarm there aren't that many good new Gen 2 "non Kanto" mons.
@@fulltimeslackerii8229did you even watch the video? smh
BKC's squad at 1:04:51 literally has no johto mons... Johto's the shitmon region
For real, BKC could do a video theorizing on how the cross Gen johto evos (Mismagius, Honchkrow, Farigiraf, Ursaluna, etc) would impact GSC had they existed right from the start
Wow I finally have my opinion on how good golem is in gsc. Thx BKC
The double upload ❤
Man a Zacian crowned would a been chipotle on that meta game
My glorious king has returned!
golem shares rising to a record breaking golemillion dollars
At least , seeing meganium viable in Ou is cool
now if only we could use golem's gen 2 shiny without messing up our DVs...
What if Golem had rapid spin in adv ou???
it would still suck. Gengar no longer fears EQ (and hence removes it's best spin block target matchup) and can't really touch Skarmory. Also outclassed by claydol but maybe it would have a tiny niche
@@crenando288 It would totally be bad claydol lmeo
Tony Flygon!? Now that's a name I haven't heard in a while. I'd love to see a vid from him
BKC calm down i need to watch the first fight and later enjoy the rest ❤
1:14:41 My question is who didn't use Snorlax on their team and how did they win. If both teams that didn't have Snorlax battled each other, then one of them winning isn't surprising. If it was any other situation, I would love to see a video on the Snorlax-less team winning a battle in GSC OU!
Usually it's a case of someone winning without revealing their lax - a relatively common example would be SD+agility baton passed to marowak and the game is just over.
@@squidheadss7105 makes sense! thanks for the explanation!
How good would the Regi trio be in ADV with recover?
they’d probably be OU every gen until 7 or 8. registeel is literally a better skarmory since it had actual special bulk and isn’t as weak to zone.
@@fulltimeslackerii8229Registeel doesn't have Spikes or Defog.
I just watch the Jynx video so this video is an smooth transition.
Any chance you could talk about the brief time Celebi was in GSC OU since you briefly mentioned it?
what if ursaluna was in gsc?
I'm doing a video on the competitive history of Rock, and I do go over Golem in the first two gens, before the flaws of its typing and stat spread really reared their ugly head.
Great video as always BKC. However if possible I would appreciate if you didn't use this same audio backing music again the high frequency chirping on the beat is a bit grating.
Thanks for the illuminating investigation of GSC golem, now all my coworkers will understand the rock
I am kind of interested: why isn't Skarm rated any higher?
Very passive+electrics and it's only rlly seen on stall
And can’t forget skarm doesn’t get spikes until gen 3
Well this is a very good vid indeed, bringing out a lot of good points about Golem and the metagame I general (only thing I don't agree so much with is the fact I feel you kinda underestimate Steelix, I think it can be good as long as you have a specific plan about using it and its Explosion).
However I want to tell you one thing. It's a very long vid, especially the intro about past gsc. Non gsc mainers won't likely be interested to spend over an hour hearing about a gsc pokemon and gsc mainers will know most of the stuff already. I think it would be best if it was shorter and more structured, e.g. Golem main set, Golem strong point no1: (probably) only viable spin option on offense, Golem strong point no2: overall role compression, alternative moves&sets
In any case, I hope you actually do the vid with borat you mentioned, would really love that
You're wrong, plenty of BKC's regular audience (me included) watch tons of his very long, rambly videos about very specific details of metagames we don't main or sometimes even don't play.
lol, is this your first BKC video ?
@henriquepacheco7473 well may be but I think there are many people (including me) that won't dedicate so much time listening about some metagame they don't play
@kayramah2531 yeah lol how did you figure it out😯😯😂
yeah rhydon got an insane winrate that's what i'm sayin !!
Sometimes I just watch your videos because I’m like there’s no way he just made an hour long video on golem
Bro all he did was mention rapid spin.
golom :]
First :)
ban snorlax