Nope. You don’t get to abuse the people providing you with a service. Even my bus driver can chuck me off the bus if I become abusive. It’s not that complicated. Actions have consequences.
@@johnmurray5573 Oh bless your heart John. My point was made and understood. I hope you’ve enjoyed the attention you so desperately crave. Have a lovely evening.
There is a difference between treating people you don’t like, and refusing to treat someone who is literally abusing you whilst you are trying to do it
A&E departments throughout the country have signs which advise patients that abusive behaviour will not be tolerated this is not a new thing ! If people can’t behave they should be shown the door !
That's a nice sentiment for the people working there but then consider rude and abusive behavior that staff might engage in and the power imbalance that comes along with the ability to define behaviour as rude from people needing service and things aren't as simple
You are absolutely right there . I worked 22 years on acute wards , and witnessed countless incidents of staff being abused , verbally and physically , by patients , and not once was any decisive action taken to protect us . Managers , and security , are more interested in being ' politically correct ' , rather than protecting their staff .
that's a completely different situation that's not related to the question and of course they will dismiss any veral or physically aggressive patients but that does not mean they shouldn't get treated for their illness
@Mark-Varley4051 Not really. It's a tax not a service. I haven't been ill in 25 years because I eat well, don't drink, don't smoke and regularly exercise. Where is my refund? Mug, think before typing next time.
Because they pay health insurance! Because they pay taxes! Because they are the citizens of this country! Because the law in this country says everyone has to have an access to the health care! Because the doctors take the Hippocratic Oath which obliges them to treat everyone without exceptions and whatever happens! Not enough arguments? So Google more to enlighten your narrow minded brain and educate yourself!!!
@@ashwilliams4959it doesn't apply unless you are planning to abuse the person treating you ...if you do that then clearly they are unable to treat you...stop with the dumb arguments
@@patchoulihead2139 I'm making dumb comments? Actually read what I've said rather than making up your own ideas of what I said. Where did I say anything about abuse? Nowhere. I'll repeat it simply for you with an example. 2 opposite armies regularly treat the opposition in war. For example german soldiers were treated by British and American medics and British and American soldiers treated by German medics.
That man who was attacked in the Birmingham pup has been barred from the pub, he goaded those Asian lads using racial language that’s why they attacked him.
Mate are you for real it was the owner of the pub telling the isis mob to go away and because he sells alcohol and its haram they attacked him get your facts right before you open your mouth
We treat criminals and thugs all the time. But that’s for life threatening treatment. If a GP surgery is scared then rightfully so they should close early and no home visits. Blame the rioters.
agrre with that if they feel at threat of riots then thats ok they dont deserve to be under attack that way because it could also put others waiting at risk they should be protected if direct threats made
Firstly, nurses don’t swear or take a Hippocratic oath. The woman caller is clearly not a nurse despite her misleading. I was a nurse and wouldn’t refuse treatment to anyone but there’s limits. If individuals insist on insulting and threatening staff, they should be dealt with in some way. The NHS will not turn people away for their perceived political leanings of potential patients. Go to A&E on a Saturday night and see what NHS staff put up with.
Thanks I was just thinking was I off the day we swore oaths 🤣 The actual hypocratic oath contains a promise not to cut so if it was taken we'd have no surgeons
@@John-nu1vp what nonsense some of those callers were spouting. Implying that these thugs are somehow injured serviceman or freedom fighters or something. Pathetic!
While to some degree nurses have to commit to it too. Still if doctors or nurses feel not safe or very unpleasent about treating you they can deny treatment particularly with the patient or people are abusive. In addition most of the injuries might not be an emergency.
True. My friend is a nurse also black she has had many radical abuse and even physically assaulted but a white nurse will be located to treat the people. I have heard some crazy stories from here of dementia patients and the era they think they are in and the vile things they spew not to mention the strength they have in assaulting her.
Well yeah... I've seen people, including grannies, being escorted from A&E in handcuffs for abusing the staff. I have no tolerance for that carry on and neither should they.
The last study they did on the demographics for British doctors-in 2021-showed that 33% of junior doctors were of Asian descent, despite them only making 8.6% of the whole UKs population. These people contribute so much to society and for them to be getting abused is shameful!
That is sad as a white African i speak from suffering horrific abuse from some demographics but as someone in the emergency services it come with the job and you just have to deal with it.
@@stevejam767 It's actually the other way round. You're taught, as any medical personnel, that you should never endanger yourself to help a patient. If you get injured then that's one less person in the work force and if you didn't follow polices then you're not covered. Obviously if the patient is risk assessed and it's known that there is a danger to working with them, such as dementia or learning difficulties patients, then you'll be provided the needed training to make sure treatment is as safe as possible for both staff and patient. Of course in emergencies this rule goes out the window for 99% of health workers and we put ourselves in danger to help the patients we care for and we often face disciplinaries because of this. You'll often find health workers care a lot more for their patients safety then their own to the entire systems detriment, but that's just what caring for people does to you.
@@TheTwinnThat just sounds like bureaucracy to me, as a principle, patient care should always come first. On the other hand, I guess that would go some way to explaining, Harold Shipman, Lucy Letby, the Stafford Hospital Scandal, NHS Blood Scandal, discharging patients to care homes without testing them for COVID-19 and the thousands and thousands of NHS staff who refused the COVID Jab while the rest of us had to get it.
@@stevejam767 Have you never heard the saying you can't look after someone until you look after yourself? If, by principle, patient care came above staff safety, you would end up with a lot of dead staff and even more dead patients. I don't see what Shipman, Letby and the myriad of scandals has to do with safety priority, honestly don't know why those were brought up? Literally not a single person in the UK had to get the covid jab. There might have been consequences for choosing not to, but no one was strapped to a chair and forced.
That hasn't happened !! This is a nothing story stoked up by a Labour MP that want's to establish the utter evil and otherness of these people for political reasons. In reality there are very few protesters/rioters that needed medical treatment and very few Police officers for that matter (Police officers record an officer injured down to the most minor bruise). Don't worry next week you'll be attacking Wes Streeting for supporting Israel and realise that people throwing stones aren't evil.
@@Connor-o9q and you thing the majority of these people can afford that??? Everybody is getting rotten teeth because they cannot get a simple dentist on NHS, it's GP they can afford?????
Private medical in the Republic of Ireland starts at around 60 euro per month and fully comp coverage an adult 2 kids is around 180. I pay 230 a month National insurance in the North so spare my your NHS worship. It's an absolute joke.
If its between a hard working immigrant and an unemployed far right football hooligan, and if the NHS resources are extremely scarce, then prioritise it to the immigrant, because they are the productive members of society.
I understand that racism is normalised in the US - but how will anything change if that sort of behaviour is tolerated? In the UK, you can ask for an alternative doctor but this is about not treating people who abuse staff. That can't be tolerated in my opinion.
@@Nomoreanons what you don’t understand is if you choose to be in pain or death, nobody gives a F, let your racism cost your life or health we don’t care!
@harrybacon419 so we should have a Two-Tier System? Only those whose views align with your own are allowed free health care but those who disagree should just get stuffed?
@harrybacon419 I'm saying if the person who needs treatment refuses service, then don't provide them the service. I don't think abuse is justified but at same time, denying a taxpayer their access I wrong either. First thing is what type of abuse are we referring to? If it is physical abuse, then they should be arrested and charged fir assault. Verbal abuse means nothing to me because it's words. Words have no physical power unless you allow it.
I am married to a Filipina, and I find this disgraceful; they are quiet hard working, decent people. The idiots are just attacking anyone. If anyone gets violent whilst being treated then retract the treatment.
Yes, absolutely should be turned away. Your safety is paramount and shouldn’t ever be put at risk of abuse, be it mental, physical or emotional, only for doing your job as a healthcare professional. It’s standard practice that many businesses do not accept or tolerate abuse of their staff.
This is not a new policy. The NHS has long had a policy whereby we are allowed to refuse to treat people who are abusive towards us. We do not get paid enough to have to accept being abused.
Yes we should. NHS staff need way more protection than what we get now. We are abused verbally and physically on a daily basis, and are told by our employers and by our governing bodies that they will protect us. They don't. I have witnessed a patient verbally abuse a member of staff in a dialysis unit that I worked in approached by the manager and asked how we can make his experience in the NHS better, and that's a tame example compared to what some NHS workers are subjected to. It's an abject disgrace and NHS management, the government, and professional bodies are NOT protecting staff.
but it is ironic that the ones these thugs are rioting against are our doctors or future doctors they do not see that it is immigration that props up so many of the much needed services care homes home care all kinds of work the people that are in the hotels they were not the ones on the streets rioting its just not right all this violence it solves nothing but just adds misery
What? So they are professional workers and every ordinary person Tom and Heidi get every day for their job of Catering, Shop Assistant, Delivering Goods, Plumbers and Electricians without Protection.. Just fear mongering..
I'm a support worker in an independent living complex in Hastings. We've recently had to recruit from overseas because no one was applying for the jobs. We've now got staff from Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Kenya and other African countries. We provide all levels of personal care and domestic duties for our residents. Sadly a member of our staff was verbally abused on her way to work yesterday. Part of my work involves supporting residents with dementia. At times I've been racially abused by them. Although upsetting, there's the understanding that this can be part of their progressive illness. However being deliberately racially abused, by people with mental capacity is a totally different matter altogether.
We have had employees from Nigeria, Kenya and Zimbabwe for decades. All three countries are commonwealth states. The majority of those who are here from those countries have residency, citizenship, or work permit.
@@jasonhaven7170 I think you’re asking the wrong person. The issues that led to this have nothing to do with employment of workers who are legally entitled to work.
@@jasonhaven7170 Because they’re idiots. I don’t mean the nurses. However you’ll find out that the nurses were unharmed because the minicab that was taking them to work was attacked. While it is obviously reprehensible and completely unacceptable that a minicab is pelted with bricks, it does not take a lot to grasp that the assault was directed at the minicab and not at the nhs staff.
The right wing have always said criminals should have it hard. It appears it shouldn't apply to them. Reminds me of the joke: What do you call a Socialist? Answer: A conservative who's just been arrested.
@@mariatheresavonhabsburg Hilarious 😊 Actually you're wrong, there is such a thing as rhetorical exhaustion. ( when rhetorical material is actively and repeatedly circulated to prevent new discourse ).
Oh the sweet irony. Remainers said post Brexit that all the immigrants would leave and we’d have no workforce. Ironically, it’s been the exact opposite 🤣🤣
@@jabbadabbajew6035 Well, unless you wish to see the economy deteriorate even more, the gaps need to be filled. And this time, it won't be Poles, or EU-workers, it'll be the kind of workers brexiteers love the most.😂🤣
@@Edward-cv2gwthere's a difference between criminals like that, and angry reprobates chanting pure hatred who discriminate based on race. Bringing up the comparison between common criminals and these lot is not the discussion that needs to be had.
@@paulhewitt6614 of course i would! Strange how every other non Westeren non European country has very strict immigration control,Do u hate your one and only country that much!!!!!
The fact remains . No matter the abuse , no matter tge racism from a small minority . The nhs staff will continue to provide the best possible care they can and wont reduse treatment to anyone .
@@Edward-cv2gwpoor pensioners ? It's going to be means tested. Only the rich pensioners will lose out. You think we should pay a millionaires winter fuel bill ?
@@Edward-cv2gw If there was a pay rise for doctors it wouldn't need to be taken from pensioners? Respectfully, where do you get this information from?
The brass neck of Nick Ferrari to be polite and empathetic to the first caller when he has been at the forefront of platforming the people and rhetoric that led to the riots. Shame on him.
This isn't new? The "if you abuse NHS staff we hand you to the police" policy has been in place for at least 2 years. When did you last see your NHS GP, Nick?
I’ve MS, and often go to hospital. After Brexit, all the European nurses and physios left, and were replaced by Filipinos and Indians as there aren’t enough in the UK. Now these people are being physically attacked.
No-one is saying that people with opposing views shouldn’t be treated. They’re saying you don’t have to provide care to people being threatening and abusive.
We’ve seen this before haven’t we. Remember the don’t treat anyone who isn’t vaccinated narrative. C’mon your propaganda needs to be better than this……
I suggest that all immigrant workers walk off from their work places for 1 week and give the country back to these people. NHS, care homes, restaurants, buses, tubes, trains, airports, taxis, ambulances, supermarkets, petrol pumps, car garages, takeaways, etc. will just stop working! Maybe they will then realise why this country needs immigrants!
"Rural women bear the brunt of Nigeria’s worsening healthcare crisis Many health centres in rural Nigerian communities lack adequate personnel and equipment." by Taiwo Adebulu - June 10, 2024 Google for it and read it.. Read about primary healthcare centre's with 3 beds and no doctors or nurses..
NIH Report: PMC10021292 "Between 2008 and 2021, a total of 36,467 Nigerian doctors migrated to the United Kingdom. There was a steady increase from 1,798 that migrated in 2008 to 4,880 in 2021. A larger trend was observed for nurses. Between 2002 and 2021, a total of 60,729 Nigerian nurses had migrated to the United Kingdom. There was a steady increase from 1,393 nurses that migrated in 2002, to 5,543 in 2021" It's cheaper to import than to train, it's cheaper to import than to incentivise.. And so the Nigerians pay for the training and then pay the ultimate price of economic migration.
I will repost again.. as UA-cam for some reason likes to delete comments: "Rural women bear the brunt of Nigeria’s worsening healthcare crisis. Many health centres in rural Nigerian communities lack adequate personnel and equipment." by Taiwo Adebulu - June 10, 2024 Google for it and read it.. Read about primary healthcare centre's with 3 beds and no doctors or nurses..
My comments keep getting deleted.. If you have email notifications of youtube replies on, then you can read what I posted in emails and I'll let you muse over why that should be deleted repeatedly.
@DaKiffster yes but, if the patient I'd being abusive or threatening to a member of staff, they should be referred to someone else or sent home if not life-threatening. The NHS already have a zero tolerance policy towards such people and so they should
Yes but not if the doctor or nurse is racially abused and threatened at the end of the day this is a service like any other service for example if I don't behave in a bank or any other civil service building I should get kicked out or keep calm to get treatment
Just to be clear if a patient says "get away from me you ****** *****", if they are competent then you cannot treat them. Patients being abusive to staff is a health and safety issue and there probably are policies for keeping the staff safe.
Why so dismissive of the the caller who thinks the monarchy should speak out? "The monarchy shouldn't get involved in politics" so the king shouldn't come out and condemn the obvious acts of domestic terrorism plaguing the country? Sorry but what a pathetic position to take - his silence speaks volumes
Y'all don't even have the right question the stupidity on this show is staggering The question is does staff have to treat someone who is berating them or trying to attack them. The answer is absolutely not
I cant believe this nonsense. Nick Ferrari is just helping stir up the hate. We’re not talking about treating or not treating people based on their views. We’re talking about a person walking into a GP, hurling abuse at them, and then the GP deciding not to treat them because of the abuse they’re receiving. 100% the GP should have that right, regardless of creed, colour, religion or world views. Ridiculous conversation
If we’re talking turning them away for being aggressive and abusive, then yes, we already do that. If we’re talking about turning them away simply for being part of the riots, then obviously no. NHS staff don’t get to choose treatment for people based on ideology or political affiliation.
District nurses still exist. But there are only around 4000 of them covering the entire country. So that's 1 nurse for every 14,000 people. So unless you are in extremely high need you won't see one, they're like gold dust.
How can he possibly compare treating someone who supports a different football team to someone who is racially abusing you?? Talk about glib! Absolutely ridiculous.
British medics treat enemy soldiers because they hope that the enemy will treat british soldiers. I dont know of any far right Doctors. Sure there are probs a few.
This train of thought is on a very dangerous path. Every human being should be entitled to health care. It is a very basic human right, and if we manage to lose this, then we have a bigger problem on our hands than these victims of agendas. They are sick! They are in need of mental health (medical support) more than most of us right now!
@@JHJ-g7g equality is not a human right, nor is equity. In the case of health, you would look at articles 2-5 of the human rights act which are your personal rights. If you were to say universal healthcare is a right, then that is naturally infringing article 4 (slavery and forced labour) because that would be compelling others to provide said healthcare. And article 5 protects everyone’s liberty and freedom.
the government really thinks we're idiots 😅 rate of unemployment is becoming inconducive.it's obvious we are headed for hyperinflation, unfortunately having a job doesn’t seem to guarantee total financial stability rather having multiple streams of income that doesn't depend on the government would be a great decision,*
This 2024 I no longer depend on the government or salary to survive. "Of course, trading is a safer way to earn more money now because I have earned up to 352,000 thousand US dollars recently. Work will only pay your bills, business will make you earn." You are rich, but trade makes and keeps you rich, the future is inevitable...
I don't really blame people who panic. Lack of information can be a big hurdle. I've been making more than $21k passively by just going into crypto investment , and I don't have to do much work. Inflation or no inflation, my finances remain secure. So I really don't blame people who panic
I totally agree with the callers point that Nick was completely dismissing! These rioters are calling on the King in their chants, they are doing this in his name… he absolutely has a responsibility to address this!
The role of a doctor and/or nurse is to heal, not to judge. And if we're going to exempt folk from treatment due to their perceptions and choices in how to impact that disposition - which by the way is rather capricious in the hypocrisy, since diversity and inclusivity are portrayed as being equally embraced across the board... does this then mean that those excluded are thus exempt from the taxes to be paid to thus support these institutions?
We get racial abuse every hour in the day in the psychiatric unit I work in ,It is an unfortunate part of the job I hate it but how you would stop it would be difficult ,and stopping patients smoking by managers who never and will never work on a ward does not help.
Nope. You don’t get to abuse the people providing you with a service. Even my bus driver can chuck me off the bus if I become abusive. It’s not that complicated. Actions have consequences.
Yes! Exactly! The bus driver analogy is perfect.
So simple you got the binary question wrong. You said nope. Then explained why it's in your opinion yes
@@johnmurray5573 Oh bless your heart John. My point was made and understood. I hope you’ve enjoyed the attention you so desperately crave. Have a lovely evening.
@@tebsm4783nope. Or yes. Doesn't matter lol
@@johnmurray5573 well it clearly mattered to you John. Night, night.
There is a difference between treating people you don’t like, and refusing to treat someone who is literally abusing you whilst you are trying to do it
Like the Islamists.
@Xerus35
When, where, evidence?
@@KoshVorlon-xb3wq Put your finger up your backside to find it.
@@Xerus35
Keep your fantasies to yourself.
@@abegarfield7031 You can do it for your boyfriend.
A&E departments throughout the country have signs which advise patients that abusive behaviour will not be tolerated this is not a new thing ! If people can’t behave they should be shown the door !
The problem is that NHS management don't carry those threats through.
That's a nice sentiment for the people working there but then consider rude and abusive behavior that staff might engage in and the power imbalance that comes along with the ability to define behaviour as rude from people needing service and things aren't as simple
You are absolutely right there . I worked 22 years on acute wards , and witnessed countless incidents of staff being abused , verbally and physically , by patients , and not once was any decisive action taken to protect us . Managers , and security , are more interested in being ' politically correct ' , rather than protecting their staff .
@@tomwright9904I totally agree disgusted that these little gods decide who deserves their attention
@@michaeld633 agree and these riots are not special to that to warrant statement about refusal to treat at this time
I can't believe this is even being discussed, the NHS should have a zero tolerance policy on violence and threatening behaviour.
There’s a difference between refusing to treat someone who was in a riot, and someone who is putting your own safety at risk.
They already have this, not sure why Nick is asking ?
@@stephenkent1102for clicks on UA-cam I expect.
They won't if you're indigenous. If they're not they wouldn't dream of not treating them
We read about 'zero tolerance' policy everywhere. The problem is, there is nobody willing to back up or enforce it...!
All the callers seem to be missing the point: if the doctors and nurses are being physically attacked, they can turn them away. And they should.
Would that cover drug users or someone with mental illness?
that's a completely different situation that's not related to the question
and of course they will dismiss any veral or physically aggressive patients but that does not mean they shouldn't get treated for their illness
they do.
Oh, are they actually getting physically attacked.. ? And, if yes then please pint me to the article, as I've looked & can't find any.
Do they refuse to treat criminals when they're brought in? Or terror suspects?
imagine what would happen if there was a national strike of black and minority workers...
The rioters should get first aid from within a prison.
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@Dellboy56 😂👏🏼
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@Mark-Varley4051
If they actually pay taxes
@Mark-Varley4051 Not really. It's a tax not a service. I haven't been ill in 25 years because I eat well, don't drink, don't smoke and regularly exercise. Where is my refund? Mug, think before typing next time.
If they’re going to be attacked for their race, of course they should turn them away.
What about gender, religion or politics views. Should a Muslim or Hindu dotor be able to not treat a Christian/ Jewish patient?
@@gpw203okay just for fun mind I ask which car it was?
@@gpw203 Sad to hear but everyone is entitled to treatment regardless of their crimes or view's.
@@jackhewitt600 False equivalence.
@@jackhewitt600
What are you babbling about?
The audacity to think you can racially abuse nhs staff and still get treatment because they ‘should be grateful that they work in this country’ 😂
But you dont respect British people?
@@Connor-o9q 🤔 not sure what that’s got to do with anything, but I will reply. I respect everyone. Just not these rioters
@@DeenM2099 because You demand that we respect you,them days are over,MDL carrying weapons?! Very uncivilized!
@@Connor-o9q respect is earned, not a given.
@@Connor-o9q I have no idea what you’re talking about. You come across like a far right extremist and the police ought to look into you
Why would these people want to be treated by someone they hate and should be sent packing?
Because they don't want to die or become permanently injured?
Because they pay health insurance! Because they pay taxes! Because they are the citizens of this country! Because the law in this country says everyone has to have an access to the health care! Because the doctors take the Hippocratic Oath which obliges them to treat everyone without exceptions and whatever happens!
Not enough arguments? So Google more to enlighten your narrow minded brain and educate yourself!!!
Change that b to an i..
People on opposite sides of wars regularly treat injuries to the opposition 🤦♂️
@@ashwilliams4959it doesn't apply unless you are planning to abuse the person treating you ...if you do that then clearly they are unable to treat you...stop with the dumb arguments
@@patchoulihead2139 I'm making dumb comments? Actually read what I've said rather than making up your own ideas of what I said.
Where did I say anything about abuse? Nowhere.
I'll repeat it simply for you with an example.
2 opposite armies regularly treat the opposition in war. For example german soldiers were treated by British and American medics and British and American soldiers treated by German medics.
That man who was attacked in the Birmingham pup has been barred from the pub, he goaded those Asian lads using racial language that’s why they attacked him.
Mate are you for real it was the owner of the pub telling the isis mob to go away and because he sells alcohol and its haram they attacked him get your facts right before you open your mouth
@@flower12878to much tv 😂
@@deedansir exactly pal I know what you mean
We treat criminals and thugs all the time. But that’s for life threatening treatment. If a GP surgery is scared then rightfully so they should close early and no home visits. Blame the rioters.
@@gpw203 as per usual, deflecting the blame
YOU ARE GOING TO PRISON@@gpw203
@@gpw203 So you are blaming immigrants for violent thugs, looter and arsonists, did you join in?
@@Steve_CoatesI think ultimately the government is to blame.
agrre with that if they feel at threat of riots then thats ok they dont deserve to be under attack that way because it could also put others waiting at risk they should be protected if direct threats made
Firstly, nurses don’t swear or take a Hippocratic oath. The woman caller is clearly not a nurse despite her misleading. I was a nurse and wouldn’t refuse treatment to anyone but there’s limits. If individuals insist on insulting and threatening staff, they should be dealt with in some way. The NHS will not turn people away for their perceived political leanings of potential patients. Go to A&E on a Saturday night and see what NHS staff put up with.
Thanks 👍
Thanks I was just thinking was I off the day we swore oaths 🤣
The actual hypocratic oath contains a promise not to cut so if it was taken we'd have no surgeons
@@John-nu1vp what nonsense some of those callers were spouting. Implying that these thugs are somehow injured serviceman or freedom fighters or something. Pathetic!
While to some degree nurses have to commit to it too. Still if doctors or nurses feel not safe or very unpleasent about treating you they can deny treatment particularly with the patient or people are abusive.
In addition most of the injuries might not be an emergency.
True. My friend is a nurse also black she has had many radical abuse and even physically assaulted but a white nurse will be located to treat the people. I have heard some crazy stories from here of dementia patients and the era they think they are in and the vile things they spew not to mention the strength they have in assaulting her.
Well yeah... I've seen people, including grannies, being escorted from A&E in handcuffs for abusing the staff.
I have no tolerance for that carry on and neither should they.
The last study they did on the demographics for British doctors-in 2021-showed that 33% of junior doctors were of Asian descent, despite them only making 8.6% of the whole UKs population. These people contribute so much to society and for them to be getting abused is shameful!
That is sad as a white African i speak from suffering horrific abuse from some demographics but as someone in the emergency services it come with the job and you just have to deal with it.
Are they illegal?
See the Labour trick of conflating illegal with legal ain't working.
@@voodoochile333 The only conflating that's happening is anyone who's none white-even if they're British born-being tarnished as illegals.
@@jackhewitt600 That's very unfortunate, anyone who's helping save peoples lives should be given the utmost respect🙏
@@voodoochile333 The only conflating that's happening is the tarnishing of none white Brits as illegal immigrants
Nobody should be refused any care but if you’re being threatened or abused you have a right to refuse service
Absolutely if they want to fight they can take care of themselwes
Give them a field dressing , if they are patriots let them act like soldiers
We are fighting because we have had enough!-dont u understand
@@Connor-o9q had enough of what GONZALEZ?
Of what, being a loser or being entitled?
@@gpw203 No i dont have ppl in my life that does things like this
The safety of NHS workers is paramount.
No, the safety of patients is paramount.
@@stevejam767 It's actually the other way round. You're taught, as any medical personnel, that you should never endanger yourself to help a patient. If you get injured then that's one less person in the work force and if you didn't follow polices then you're not covered. Obviously if the patient is risk assessed and it's known that there is a danger to working with them, such as dementia or learning difficulties patients, then you'll be provided the needed training to make sure treatment is as safe as possible for both staff and patient.
Of course in emergencies this rule goes out the window for 99% of health workers and we put ourselves in danger to help the patients we care for and we often face disciplinaries because of this. You'll often find health workers care a lot more for their patients safety then their own to the entire systems detriment, but that's just what caring for people does to you.
@@TheTwinnThat just sounds like bureaucracy to me, as a principle, patient care should always come first. On the other hand, I guess that would go some way to explaining, Harold Shipman, Lucy Letby, the Stafford Hospital Scandal, NHS Blood Scandal, discharging patients to care homes without testing them for COVID-19 and the thousands and thousands of NHS staff who refused the COVID Jab while the rest of us had to get it.
@@stevejam767 Have you never heard the saying you can't look after someone until you look after yourself? If, by principle, patient care came above staff safety, you would end up with a lot of dead staff and even more dead patients.
I don't see what Shipman, Letby and the myriad of scandals has to do with safety priority, honestly don't know why those were brought up?
Literally not a single person in the UK had to get the covid jab. There might have been consequences for choosing not to, but no one was strapped to a chair and forced.
@@stevejam767 medical intervention is dependent on consent. If you're violent towards medical staff, clearly you don't want medical assistance.
100% agreed these rascists should be refused for care❤🇬🇧❤️
Why should they not be treated,
@@mkirwan7165 because you cannot attack someone and demand care by the person you’ve attacked.
@@mkirwan7165if there's one group of people above all you don't do that to, it's those who may potentially save your life
@@toriesout8692 your opinion
That hasn't happened !! This is a nothing story stoked up by a Labour MP that want's to establish the utter evil and otherness of these people for political reasons. In reality there are very few protesters/rioters that needed medical treatment and very few Police officers for that matter (Police officers record an officer injured down to the most minor bruise). Don't worry next week you'll be attacking Wes Streeting for supporting Israel and realise that people throwing stones aren't evil.
Yes. They can go private. If they voted Reform, thats in fact what they voted for - An insurance based medical system. They do have insurance, right?
Nothing wrong with private,paying 20 or 100pound to see Doctor is just A different way of paying into the system
@@Connor-o9q and you thing the majority of these people can afford that??? Everybody is getting rotten teeth because they cannot get a simple dentist on NHS, it's GP they can afford?????
What has voting Reform got to do with this ? Or are you following the media's rhetoric that they're all "right wing thugs"
Private medical in the Republic of Ireland starts at around 60 euro per month and fully comp coverage an adult 2 kids is around 180. I pay 230 a month National insurance in the North so spare my your NHS worship. It's an absolute joke.
@@MedievalFolkDance Completely misinformed.
If its between a hard working immigrant and an unemployed far right football hooligan, and if the NHS resources are extremely scarce, then prioritise it to the immigrant, because they are the productive members of society.
Very cherry picked scenario you've selected there
@@thf3038isnt that what the people blaming all immigrants do? Chose an example of why all are bad?
@@thf3038 Kind of like declaring war on all immigrants because of the actions of a tiny minority.
@@jamespaul6315 sometimes yes and that's wrong too.
@@jamespaul6315 It’s okay if they apply stereotypes to people they don’t like. They can’t be prejudice on the merit of being left wing.
Here in the USA if a patient refuses treatment from a black doctor or nurse you document and keep it moving, that’s their choice.
You're paying privately. If a UK patient wants that privilege they need to pay. You pay for privelege, not cherry pick a service provided for free.
I understand that racism is normalised in the US - but how will anything change if that sort of behaviour is tolerated? In the UK, you can ask for an alternative doctor but this is about not treating people who abuse staff. That can't be tolerated in my opinion.
In the USA you can also racially abuse someone without consequence...
@@Nomoreanons what you don’t understand is if you choose to be in pain or death, nobody gives a F, let your racism cost your life or health we don’t care!
This isn't America, we provide free healthcare
Should we turn them away? Yes. I’m amazed we need 15 minutes to debate this
If they're taxpayers, they are entitled to the service, otherwise they should stop paying taxes if they're being denied the services they pay into.
@@whitehorsemilitia they aren’t entitled to abuse people trying to treat them
@harrybacon419 so we should have a Two-Tier System? Only those whose views align with your own are allowed free health care but those who disagree should just get stuffed?
@@whitehorsemilitia you are seriously advocating that you should be able to abuse the staff treating you?
@harrybacon419 I'm saying if the person who needs treatment refuses service, then don't provide them the service. I don't think abuse is justified but at same time, denying a taxpayer their access I wrong either.
First thing is what type of abuse are we referring to? If it is physical abuse, then they should be arrested and charged fir assault. Verbal abuse means nothing to me because it's words. Words have no physical power unless you allow it.
I am married to a Filipina, and I find this disgraceful; they are quiet hard working, decent people. The idiots are just attacking anyone. If anyone gets violent whilst being treated then retract the treatment.
Absolutely, without a DOUBT but before that they should be send to prison for inciting violence
Yes, absolutely should be turned away. Your safety is paramount and shouldn’t ever be put at risk of abuse, be it mental, physical or emotional, only for doing your job as a healthcare professional.
It’s standard practice that many businesses do not accept or tolerate abuse of their staff.
This is not a new policy. The NHS has long had a policy whereby we are allowed to refuse to treat people who are abusive towards us.
We do not get paid enough to have to accept being abused.
Send them to Farage or Tommy to be treated!
Why ?
@@carolewynn9407 They sent them out there, so let them take care of them.
@@carolewynn9407 because Farage is their cure
@@sergeborrelli2489 At least you seem to be aware of your ignorance.
Yes we should. NHS staff need way more protection than what we get now. We are abused verbally and physically on a daily basis, and are told by our employers and by our governing bodies that they will protect us. They don't. I have witnessed a patient verbally abuse a member of staff in a dialysis unit that I worked in approached by the manager and asked how we can make his experience in the NHS better, and that's a tame example compared to what some NHS workers are subjected to. It's an abject disgrace and NHS management, the government, and professional bodies are NOT protecting staff.
but it is ironic that the ones these thugs are rioting against are our doctors or future doctors they do not see that it is immigration that props up so many of the much needed services care homes home care all kinds of work the people that are in the hotels they were not the ones on the streets rioting its just not right all this violence it solves nothing but just adds misery
What? So they are professional workers and every ordinary person Tom and Heidi get every day for their job of Catering, Shop Assistant, Delivering Goods, Plumbers and Electricians without Protection.. Just fear mongering..
You have Security Staff at Hospitals.
I'm a support worker in an independent living complex in Hastings. We've recently had to recruit from overseas because no one was applying for the jobs.
We've now got staff from Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Kenya and other African countries. We provide all levels of personal care and domestic duties for our residents.
Sadly a member of our staff was verbally abused on her way to work yesterday.
Part of my work involves supporting residents with dementia. At times I've been racially abused by them. Although upsetting, there's the understanding that this can be part of their progressive illness. However being deliberately racially abused, by people with mental capacity is a totally different matter altogether.
We have had employees from Nigeria, Kenya and Zimbabwe for decades. All three countries are commonwealth states.
The majority of those who are here from those countries have residency, citizenship, or work permit.
@@eddiecalderone Then what's the problem?
@@jasonhaven7170
I think you’re asking the wrong person. The issues that led to this have nothing to do with employment of workers who are legally entitled to work.
@@eddiecalderone Then why are they attacking Filipino nurses?
@@jasonhaven7170
Because they’re idiots. I don’t mean the nurses. However you’ll find out that the nurses were unharmed because the minicab that was taking them to work was attacked. While it is obviously reprehensible and completely unacceptable that a minicab is pelted with bricks, it does not take a lot to grasp that the assault was directed at the minicab and not at the nhs staff.
The right wing have always said criminals should have it hard. It appears it shouldn't apply to them.
Reminds me of the joke: What do you call a Socialist? Answer: A conservative who's just been arrested.
Right wing ??? Such tired rhetoric.
@@carolewynn9407
Rhetorics can't be tired, but you seem to be.
@@mariatheresavonhabsburg Hilarious 😊 Actually you're wrong, there is such a thing as rhetorical exhaustion. ( when rhetorical material is actively and repeatedly circulated to prevent new discourse ).
@@carolewynn9407so to be clear... You think that people who declare themselves as right wing don't hold this opinion?
😂🤣😂
If they are obviously bigots but not been abusive they should be treated if they are abusive then jog on
But they shouldn't be able to pick the race of their doctor/nurse
Isn't Brexit Britain brilliant...
We never got the Brexit we voted for so we'll never know
@@jonathanwilliams4222 So what Brexit did you vote for? Because I thought you all knew what you were voting for...
He wanted a brilliant BrExit, where we leave and still keep all the benefits.
Oh the sweet irony. Remainers said post Brexit that all the immigrants would leave and we’d have no workforce. Ironically, it’s been the exact opposite 🤣🤣
@@jabbadabbajew6035
Well, unless you wish to see the economy deteriorate even more, the gaps need to be filled.
And this time, it won't be Poles, or EU-workers, it'll be the kind of workers brexiteers love the most.😂🤣
I agree they don't deserve healthcare
Would that apply to all criminals out of interest? So if a burglar broke his ankle fleeing a scene..would you deny him health care too ?
@@Edward-cv2gwthere's a difference between criminals like that, and angry reprobates chanting pure hatred who discriminate based on race. Bringing up the comparison between common criminals and these lot is not the discussion that needs to be had.
@thatanna23 trouble is abusive behaviour goes both ways seen with my own eyes
@thatanna23absolutely they would, and apologise for the inconvenience.
Would you treat left wing when they glue themselves to objects ?
There is hippocratric oath they take. To help the sick in best of abilities.
If I was a foreign Doctor or nurse I wouldn't treat any of them.
Would you treat the South asians carry weapons!!!!!!!!!
You have to treat them it’s part of the oath doctors swear
Have to disagree you are not a trained doctor but them they have right to be treated until.
They put staff or other patients in danger.
@@Connor-o9qIf you're against immigration then you wouldn't want a foreign doctor or nurse treating you. Would you?
@@paulhewitt6614 of course i would! Strange how every other non Westeren non European country has very strict immigration control,Do u hate your one and only country that much!!!!!
Healthcare professionals sees everyone as patients not as black, brown, pink or whatever color they are....
No one is color blind. There is nothing wrong with seeing differences. The problem is judging the differences.
@@debrabrower3864 wat difference?
doctors in an Israeli hospital had signed a memo not to treat Gazans who were arrested by the IDF a few months ago
Nick adding fuel to the fire again.
You've completely lost the plot...
IF THEY FEEL THEY ARE IN DANGER THEY SHOULD OF COURSE PROTECT THEMSELVES.
Yer the should why should they get medical help when they hurt and terrorise others
The fact remains .
No matter the abuse , no matter tge racism from a small minority . The nhs staff will continue to provide the best possible care they can and wont reduse treatment to anyone .
What is going on in this world. Why all this and when will it end😢😢😢
King has to say something because HE IS THE KING OF THIS COUNTRY and HE CANT ALLOWED TO HAVE DIVISION IN HIS COUNTRY
Every has the right to be treated regardless of of view
Junior Doctors deserved their pay rise then Nick....
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Yh take from poor pensioners and give to middle class doctors. You know all about a fair and equal society don't you.
@@Edward-cv2gwpoor pensioners ? It's going to be means tested. Only the rich pensioners will lose out. You think we should pay a millionaires winter fuel bill ?
@Kevhuman they're not rich. I think what is it below 12.5k per year theyll get it ? So you're telling me they're rich on 13 k a year ?
@@Edward-cv2gw If there was a pay rise for doctors it wouldn't need to be taken from pensioners? Respectfully, where do you get this information from?
@@rayvon6386may be from some rich bloke .. who doesn't want to pay tax
Well the far right have no respect for all lives, so why should the NHS help them?
The brass neck of Nick Ferrari to be polite and empathetic to the first caller when he has been at the forefront of platforming the people and rhetoric that led to the riots. Shame on him.
This isn't new? The "if you abuse NHS staff we hand you to the police" policy has been in place for at least 2 years. When did you last see your NHS GP, Nick?
About time this is not up for discussion racism should be in the dustbin of history
I’ve MS, and often go to hospital. After Brexit, all the European nurses and physios left, and were replaced by Filipinos and Indians as there aren’t enough in the UK. Now these people are being physically attacked.
No-one is saying that people with opposing views shouldn’t be treated. They’re saying you don’t have to provide care to people being threatening and abusive.
No one should be forced to work in unsafe conditions.
Nick is in favour of discrimination.
People can’t have it both ways
We’ve seen this before haven’t we. Remember the don’t treat anyone who isn’t vaccinated narrative. C’mon your propaganda needs to be better than this……
I suggest that all immigrant workers walk off from their work places for 1 week and give the country back to these people. NHS, care homes, restaurants, buses, tubes, trains, airports, taxis, ambulances, supermarkets, petrol pumps, car garages, takeaways, etc. will just stop working! Maybe they will then realise why this country needs immigrants!
Any frontline service can be refused if the person is abusing staff. That is fairly standard.
The NHS is there to help people in need and not to judge
And not to be abused or threatened.
They get to choose who they treat? So much for their hipocratic oath then. Even our armed forces treat the injured enemy.
"People who are abusing NHS staff..."
Waiting time for an ambulance is an all time high (6 hours) that’s what I call abusing the public!
When half the NHS is built on immigrants, my answer is NO!
"Rural women bear the brunt of Nigeria’s worsening healthcare crisis
Many health centres in rural Nigerian communities lack adequate personnel and equipment."
by Taiwo Adebulu - June 10, 2024
Google for it and read it..
Read about primary healthcare centre's with 3 beds and no doctors or nurses..
NIH Report: PMC10021292
"Between 2008 and 2021, a total of 36,467 Nigerian doctors migrated to the United Kingdom. There was a steady increase from 1,798 that migrated in 2008 to 4,880 in 2021. A larger trend was observed for nurses. Between 2002 and 2021, a total of 60,729 Nigerian nurses had migrated to the United Kingdom. There was a steady increase from 1,393 nurses that migrated in 2002, to 5,543 in 2021"
It's cheaper to import than to train, it's cheaper to import than to incentivise.. And so the Nigerians pay for the training and then pay the ultimate price of economic migration.
I will repost again.. as UA-cam for some reason likes to delete comments:
"Rural women bear the brunt of Nigeria’s worsening healthcare crisis. Many health centres in rural Nigerian communities lack adequate personnel and equipment."
by Taiwo Adebulu - June 10, 2024
Google for it and read it..
Read about primary healthcare centre's with 3 beds and no doctors or nurses..
My comments keep getting deleted.. If you have email notifications of youtube replies on, then you can read what I posted in emails and I'll let you muse over why that should be deleted repeatedly.
What kind of question is this?! NHS should treat anyone and EVERYONE that needs it! Shame on this media
@DaKiffster yes but, if the patient I'd being abusive or threatening to a member of staff, they should be referred to someone else or sent home if not life-threatening. The NHS already have a zero tolerance policy towards such people and so they should
Yes but not if the doctor or nurse is racially abused and threatened at the end of the day this is a service like any other service for example if I don't behave in a bank or any other civil service building I should get kicked out or keep calm to get treatment
Just to be clear if a patient says "get away from me you ****** *****", if they are competent then you cannot treat them. Patients being abusive to staff is a health and safety issue and there probably are policies for keeping the staff safe.
An Asian Doctor was attacked walking in to his surgery today here in Sheffield. An absolute sickening act by a gang of men.
they have allways been able to refuse in they deem it to be unsafe
Maybe Fartage and Musk can pay for their private health
Why so dismissive of the the caller who thinks the monarchy should speak out? "The monarchy shouldn't get involved in politics" so the king shouldn't come out and condemn the obvious acts of domestic terrorism plaguing the country? Sorry but what a pathetic position to take - his silence speaks volumes
Y'all don't even have the right question the stupidity on this show is staggering
The question is does staff have to treat someone who is berating them or trying to attack them. The answer is absolutely not
It’s part of hospital policy
Again Nick Ferrari pitching tge comment in a negative way! The stance of any hospital etc is that ANYONE who abuses staff will be ejected and charged!
I cant believe this nonsense. Nick Ferrari is just helping stir up the hate. We’re not talking about treating or not treating people based on their views. We’re talking about a person walking into a GP, hurling abuse at them, and then the GP deciding not to treat them because of the abuse they’re receiving. 100% the GP should have that right, regardless of creed, colour, religion or world views. Ridiculous conversation
If we’re talking turning them away for being aggressive and abusive, then yes, we already do that. If we’re talking about turning them away simply for being part of the riots, then obviously no. NHS staff don’t get to choose treatment for people based on ideology or political affiliation.
Carry out home visits haven’t done that where I live for years..And as for Tommy Robinson he speaks more truth than any of the politicians.
If you’re a troglodyte, then yeah he speaks the truth
District nurses still exist. But there are only around 4000 of them covering the entire country. So that's 1 nurse for every 14,000 people. So unless you are in extremely high need you won't see one, they're like gold dust.
As a nurse there is no selection prosess
How can he possibly compare treating someone who supports a different football team to someone who is racially abusing you?? Talk about glib! Absolutely ridiculous.
British medics treat enemy soldiers because they hope that the enemy will treat british soldiers.
I dont know of any far right Doctors. Sure there are probs a few.
The NHS does not tolerate violence and threatening behaviour and has done so for years.
The problem is people like Nick Ferrari who pick one incident with one person against violence against muslim community all over the country. Sick !!!
Yes the should be turned away, no one should feel unsafe at work
Nick you are such a grifter I remember when you pushed the covid jab and wanted people excluded from society if they did not comply
Doctors shouldnt have to treat abusive period, shouldnt be a conversation
This train of thought is on a very dangerous path. Every human being should be entitled to health care. It is a very basic human right, and if we manage to lose this, then we have a bigger problem on our hands than these victims of agendas.
They are sick! They are in need of mental health (medical support) more than most of us right now!
Health is a human right. Healthcare is not.
You don't know the UK no longer believes in humans right, while at least the Tories don't
@samuelshaw3192 Access to healthcare is.
@@JHJ-g7g equality is not a human right, nor is equity. In the case of health, you would look at articles 2-5 of the human rights act which are your personal rights. If you were to say universal healthcare is a right, then that is naturally infringing article 4 (slavery and forced labour) because that would be compelling others to provide said healthcare. And article 5 protects everyone’s liberty and freedom.
What overwrought nonsense. A little reading comprehension resolves the difficulty. "People who are abusing NHS staff..."
The great and unaccountable Nick Farage, adding yet more fuel to the fire under the pretence of journalism.
More doctors for the rest of us
Nhs already has a zero tolerance to abuse policy
Why is this being discussed?
Same rhetoric about the unvaxed? 🤔
They don’t do home visits. I was a nurse and we treated all sorts of people without fear or favour
the government really thinks we're idiots 😅 rate of unemployment is becoming inconducive.it's obvious we are headed for hyperinflation, unfortunately having a job doesn’t seem to guarantee total financial stability rather having multiple streams of income that doesn't depend on the government would be a great decision,*
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are rich, but trade makes and keeps you
rich, the future is inevitable...
I don't really blame people who panic. Lack of information can be a big hurdle. I've been making more than $21k passively by just going into crypto investment , and I don't have to do much work. Inflation or no inflation, my finances remain secure. So I really don't blame people who panic
I totally agree with the callers point that Nick was completely dismissing! These rioters are calling on the King in their chants, they are doing this in his name… he absolutely has a responsibility to address this!
Sorry can you imagine a white NHS worker refusing to treat BLM? No..
What do you imagine BLM stands for, you clever boy?
The role of a doctor and/or nurse is to heal, not to judge. And if we're going to exempt folk from treatment due to their perceptions and choices in how to impact that disposition - which by the way is rather capricious in the hypocrisy, since diversity and inclusivity are portrayed as being equally embraced across the board... does this then mean that those excluded are thus exempt from the taxes to be paid to thus support these institutions?
Defund the NHS if they won’t treat citizens. Two tier healthcare.
Be careful what you wish for.
@@Squarepeg57I want the NHS defunded. It’s socialism. America land of the free, beacon on the hill.
Thats fine, but they need their wages cut and the money given back to the tax payers. Its not their money its ours.
🤣🤣🤣Considering there is no NHS due to immigration getting any service of any kind for anyone would be a start.
The NHS would collapse without the immigrants who work for it.
Well the NHS should lose their tax payers money by not treating and looking after people. Destroy the tax robbing NHS.
The NHS doesnt serve anyone anyway
Very dishonest of Ferrari to misrepresent what Streeting said.
Words have consequences.
You can't shame the shameless?!
Get them some plasters from the Pound Shop. 😂
We get racial abuse every hour in the day in the psychiatric unit I work in ,It is an unfortunate part of the job I hate it but how you would stop it would be difficult ,and stopping patients smoking by managers who never and will never work on a ward does not help.