Black and born in the UK, but got tired of being told since childhood to "go back to where I come from." Now living a very comfortable lifestyle in the Caribbean thank you very much.
That's the point. I don't understand why we spend so much time and energy trying to be accepted by white people all over the world. We should get it together and learn to enjoy our own company
@@Jaan-kitts I can assume what I want , whenever I want. It doesn't mean it I think I'm right. I assume you're female and the person who wrote the thread is male.
I was born in Norway but have lived in England for 26 years, I’ve had people tell me when they find out I’m not English, “at least your the right colour” it’s clear to me what this caller was saying and it’s disgusting
Why is that disgusting? It's just like someone from a Native American tribe remarking the same thing to someone from another Native American tribe. Or a Maori saying it to a Tongan. Something tells me you wouldn't be offended in these scenarios. The caller was simply saying that Maajid is a Pakistani, which is exactly true.
@@ringtail1410 I’m half English but wasn’t born here. He was born here and had lived here all his life. He’s more English than me but because I’m white I wouldn’t get the same reaction from this caller. That’s the point I’m making. Nothing to do with Native American tribes.
@@David-es8fr Where you are born is irrelevant to your ethnicity, it's to whom you are born from that determines that. Maajid is not English at all, he's a Pakistani. The English are a northwestern European ethnicity. And I didn't say it had anything to do with Native American tribes; it's called an analogy. Do you not know what that is?
@@CaptainTodger69 it is the other way round, Brittany was named after settlers moved across the channel because of the increase of Scoti-raids and AngloSaxon "invasion" in 5th or 6th century (Arthurian Days of lacking sources). But you are of course right, only Celts are true Britons. :-)
It's ironic to say the least, but that happens in pretty much every country that had a former empire... How dare this people come into our lands to work and pay taxes?! Just because we went into theirs, pillaged it, enslaved them, etc etc, they now think they have a right to come and WORK at ours?! How preposterous!!!
Exactly! Idk why he didn't even bother to correct him. People like using the term "Middle East" in a derogatory context. He should've taken that away from him.
Pakistan is considered to be in "the greater middle east" as well as being a south Asian country... although I don't believe this is something the caller actually knew
The hypocritical thing is that anyone who studied a bit of history would know that Anglo-Saxons originated in northern Germany and Denmark, not England.
There were original British people in the same way there were original German people. All go back to Noah who goes back to Adam. However since Noahs time we have developed into different cultures. I am white born in Britain as were my generations before me and I am British. If i was born in Hong Kong of British parents they wouldnt call me Chinese. so why try to appropiate another ethnicity for at least 10 generations.
@@michaelbrett3749 Except you would be chinese... if you were born in China and lived there your entire life that would be your nationality. Also chinese is technically (though I know there are those who would argue otherwise) not an ethnicity. Asian is the ethnicity wich you would not be if both of your parents were presumably caucasian for example.
@@michaelbrett3749 i’m kinda confused so are you saying (based on ur comment) barack obama is not american? is tht wht u r saying? just trying to understand wht u mean
@@4yinyang err tho i think u meant well, but asian is not an ethnicity indian is asian (tho i do believe there are different branch of ethnicities in india tht i’m not well verse of) malay is asian han is asian and my dear friend, indian, malay and Han ARE ethnicity of asians and in the case of indian it can also be citizenship
Caller to radio show : "your a Pakistani man you dont belong here". Same caller to a takeaway the same day : " can i order a chicken bhuna, pilau rice and a cheese naan please".
Because this example is so adept at showing the attitude of majorities towards visible minorities. This ignorant man who called in got way way too much time on the radio show platform ….I would say. Still, Mr Nawaz did challenge him with dignity and in well spoken manner.. thanks goodness for that.
That dude traces Pakistan in the middle east on the map. He has such a problem with Pakistanis, you would think he would have read something on Pakistan or at least looked at the map once in his life. Not every Mohammad is an Arab.
Natives fought against the British Empire to defend their homeland, most of the time they lost, but they fought at least. Native Britons should be able to do the same in defence of their homeland.
@@Ash-886 you do realise that according to your definition Prince Phillip isn’t British as he was born in Greece into a Greek German and Danish family. Maybe you should get a DNA test because most people aren’t pure native in the 21st century. Most of the Royal family of Britain are descendants of the Russian and German Royal family so none of them are actually ‘native Britons’
@@Ash-886 if the royal family don’t reflect the ethnicity of the general population isn’t it hypocritical and invalid to have an issue with people who aren’t full blooded brits or does the issue stem from the fact that they’re not white and share the same skin colour because many so called ‘British’ are not Anglo Saxon at all. Even the Anglo Saxons are a mixture of Celtic, Germanic and Danish peoples. So there is no such thing as a full blooded British person. I highly suggest a DNA test for yourself and you’ll see how ‘British’ you really are, and at the end of they day everyone is human your differentiating people based on how much melanin is in someone’s skin. We are all just flesh and bones.
England has had a relationship with India for much more than a century now , even Queen Victoria had a man servant .Please. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe what the caller was referring to was the cultural differences between us and the rest of the world.. i.e. following the Traditional British morals and values of the society as a whole . .
@@queenscotia769 why should people follow csok called "British" values if living in Britain? What are these supposed values anyway? Are the many thousands of British criminals either locked up currently or running free with their criminal ways being true to these values? Surely not. T g d only values that are important are ones of minding oknes own business, not being a complete nuisance or as criminal, surely. All decent people have those. The Brits CERTAINLY didn't invent them (as if 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣).
The worst part about this for me personally, is hearing my own ignorance echoing from the past. I held similar views to that caller in my teens and early twenties. The difference, I hope, is that I set out to educate myself once I began pulling on the threads, after hearing much harsher versions being spoken around me, but coming from the same place. Forgive me, I was blind but now I see and would open my arms before opening my mouth to criticise nowadays.
I commend you on your honesty. It gives me hope to hear people who can reappraise their beliefs that I bet weren't so easy to just discard. You don't need forgiveness, just carry on spreading the word is enough.
Life is about learning and overcoming ones foibles and ignorance. We should all be on that journey. It is sad to remain caught up in rage and confusion, and never move on
I wonder if the caller realises he is not the queen and doesn't get to decide who is British and who isn't. One law for him another for ... (you proper Brits know the rest).
Prince Philip is born into a Danish/Greek family in Greece. Is he English ? Does he belong in England ? After all he is only the husband of the queen of England 😅
This was so painful to watch. I want to believe the man genuinely doesn't understand what Mr. Nawaz was saying, but I can't shake the suspicion that the caller doesn't view non-white, non-anglo saxon people as fellow citizens.
He doesn't understand thats obvious, but the problem is he doesn't care. He's ignorant and wouldn't be open to being corrected because he's set in his ways. Theres no possible way he could have had an intelligent conversation with him.
@@paulhilton6426sadly though, non-white people in the US are defined as either Asian American, African American or Hispanic, but they never define white Americans as European American.
@Eastlomond which they should because, based on the caller's mentality, they're not native of the Americas. They invaded and exterminated the natives. 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
He’s probably had to deal with these sorts of people (on and off the air) for his entire life, so he’s probably used to it by now… Enough to not be offended on the surface, at least.
I suppose there is contentment in the fact that any 'normal' British or even English person can very plainly see that he is British. Ironically a typical foreigner would probably also identify him as English. Some people are just too bigoted to realise that British is something great and cannot be contained within just the four walls (even if one of those walls is bigger that the other three). Such people make a case for introducing a citizenship exam for everyone.
@@chrisdeep8417 Some people are are not cowed and deracinated enough like you to pretend Pakistanis can belong to nation(s) of people they otherwise have zero genetic commonality with.
Here in India i spoke to a sikh who was born and brought up in UK. He said he was tired of being told he doesnt belong in UK and should go back to where he came from. I wish all commonwealth countries had the courage to say the same to the Brits when they ruled them
There was a system. Many kings, leaders, tribes. A power vacuum left by the last mughal emperor (who was a fool.) Indians welcomed British traders and were in turn treated like dirt. British built trains to carry the stolen jewells. @@ringtail1410
In Oswalds eyes how many generations of your family have to have lived in Englands before they can be called English ? O r is it that as long as your skin is not quite 'white' you can never been called English ?? I do hope Oswald has fair skin and blue eyes as if he hasn't I will be dubiouse about his ethnicity....
To someone who is constantly being bombarded by US "news" outlets like Fox News and MSNBC, the level of discourse on LBC and its hosts' willingness to engage in factual, honest debate is such an incredible breath of fresh air. Thank you for bringing some sanity back into my world!
Despite being the polar opposite to Fox , MSNBC has top rated journalists and they present facts. You will never hear about "War on Christmas" on MSNBC
@@asicdathens As a former MSNBC viewer, I have to disagree. Two sides of the same coin. Doesn't matter if one is more left and the other far right, they are both corporate driven machines bent on limiting the real news and controlling the narrative. You can throw CNN right on in there too.
Oh, no. Like the American right his argument likely does a complete 180 when the subject of the British diaspora comes up. We deserve what we have because we were advanced enough to go out and get it. Anybody who couldn't keep what they had didn't deserve to have it.
@@aaronleverton4221 so does that mean America can now do the same to Britain as the British did to all these Commonwealth countries. Make the subjects of the White House😂
@@sidknee4975 No, because the British made Australia and the US by putting British people there. For your analogy to work it would need to be the South African indigenous populations or the Malays or the Indians doing it. A country that Britain went home from and took most of the white people with them when they did it.
especially, when you go back far enough, an Anglo-Saxon is not a Brit either because the Saxons immigrated from Scandinavia and displaced/subjugated the Britons already living on the island. So the argument of ethnicity is just moot especially in the mishmash of migrating tribes and peoples of the european/scandinavian history. And he might even be a Norman, this Oswald.....
@@DaughterofAlbion Despite what being his place of birth, _British_ India? I don't know what point you think you're making here. Kipling was born in part of what was then the British Empire.
@@391jamie just because India was part of the empire for a time it didn't stop being a country and was never "british India" as you say. Ask an Indian if they ever considered British people born in in India during that period to be just as Indian as them.
The truth is there's alot of nice people to ur face out there but behind closed doors they don't like u and they don't accept u. They're the ones to look out for!
@Guanxinated 123 No, I'm not trying to say anything. I simply corrected your assertion that Anglo Saxons are indigenous to the island of Britain. All that waffle you wrote are your own weird thoughts.
As a celt I think it's high time ALL foreigners left the British Isles especially those Anglo saxon chancers who have totally out stayed their welcome.
When you follow the caller's view you unterstand why he is afraid of being in an minority one day. He suspects others will do onto him what he is doing onto them, while still in a majority.
That’s how a lot people in the US felt as well- or rather how I perceived that they felt. White people are so afraid of becoming the minority, because they are afraid they will be treated as poorly as they treat the minorities. You simply ask the question, “well gosh, what would be so bad about being a minority? Do you know something I don’t?”
If you’re born in Britain, you’re British. You may be of xyz descent depending on your heritage (mine is Irish), but if you are born in Britain, you’re perfectly entitled to call yourself British.
You're talking about the political identity of being a citizen of the UK; paper Brits. Calling these people British is inaccurate, as it's a modern misnomer to do so. The British are actually the people indigenous to the British Isles. Maajid is arguably not British and he certainly isn't English like he tries to claim here.
@@ringtail1410 absolutely no one is thinking about the British isles when asking one is British. If you are born in Britian, you are British, regardless of your color. British is a nationality, not an ethnicity.
@@ringtail1410 and yes, people mean political identity when asked it someone is British. Thats why the caller said " no youre Pakistani".To which Majid replied that Pakistan isnt a ethnicity but a nationality, or in your words political identity, just like British.
@@Mr.Coffee576 The British are the people indigenous to the British Isles (English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish) and these people are Anglo-Celt. That's who the British are. We lend the term 'British' over to also mean 'citizen of the UK', but as I stated, that is a modern misnomer, as the original holders of that citizenship were all indigenous. Maajid is a Pakistani who is also a citizen of the UK. He is not British, and certainly not English. 'Pakistani' is an ethnicity collective of all the indigenous ethnicities of Pakistan (punjabi, khatri, shindi, gurjar, awan etc). Pakistan is obviously also a state and a national identity -- but you're not getting any Europeans describing themselves as Pakistani -- even if they are citizens of Pakistan. That's because it's really only an ethnicity. In fact the term 'nationality' used to be very synonymous with the terms ethnicity and race. Nation is still used to describe ethnicity in some instances, eg, 'the navajo nation'. As the caller correctly stated, Maajid is a Pakistani.
@@ringtail1410 so therefore white people of European descent who are born in the US are not Americans. They're not Cherokee, or Lakota, or Algonkian. They're German, or Italian, or Dutch, or Spanish. Yet we call anyone born in the US and carrying US citizenship, an American. Why don't we extend the same courtesy to people in the UK?
Me neither. I was so relieved...then he tried to thrown some haplogroups into the mix to give it some scientific basis, but he obviously does not understand how that works: the haplogroup he mentioned is not specifically UK.
Perhaps he should think what to do with a “white” person who has a passport from Pakistan. Without seeing the passport ossie might light that person!! What an idiot
Ethnicity isn't a piece of paper. It's who you are descended from. I'm descended from Germanic races that settled in Britain many thousands of years ago. I'm British. Nawaz is probably descended from Pakistani races that settled in the Indian subcontinent many thousands of years ago. He is therefore likely to be of Pakistani origin.
Ethnicity is not everything. My wife is American by passport, but her DNA is 99% British. You're telling me she's more British than the LBC host that was born in the UK?
@@ant4686 Ethnically she's British. You can change your nationality, nationality is whimsical, like your tax domicile. You can't change who you're descended from. It's literally in your bones.
@@Geokinkladze, ethnicity ties to a culture. A person may be descended from X but maybe not culturally X, because that person was born in other place..
@@amjanwaters6142 A horse born in a kennel is still a horse. Equally a Yorkshire Terrier born and raised with Whippits ain't gonna win no race against those brothers of his.
You’re a Pakistani from the Middle East .... what a plonker statement. My parents were from India and came and settled in the UK, at the invitation of HM & Her Government. I was born & bred in England and therefore I am English but not of Anglo Saxon heritage. Oswald needs help.
@@onwardstotruth5810 let me get this right, you where born in England consider yourself English and a fellow English man doesn't want you to be English? That's just weird why would he want to make his tribe smaller? You are not saying I was born in England but I am Mongolian therefore I claim this lan for Mongolia..... Your english bud with a fascinating ethnicity I expect 🏴
Foreigners cannot believe that in the UK the struggles with race relations are on debate daily and everything is about race....! All this from a country that conquered and claimed half the world as a sovereign nation....!
We are NOT the home to the world and these nawaz types have to acknowledge this is NOT their country and to live to OUR conditions, NOT have us give up stuff these pondlife find offensive.
i wonder what percentage of Scandanavian, Roman, Spanish, French, Persian, Ashkenazi Jew, etc, genes that caller has in his genome- I'm no historian or anything, but I seem to recall lots of invasions, conquests, and royal marriages, affairs, (from other countries or own family, didn't really matter much) ..and then there were boats, and trade, and wars and rapes, and slaves,... Wouldn't it be great if everyone had to take a semester of basic genetics before graduation?
@@trocarcat2961 Now dissect the Pakistani identity. Lets see how you can pretend that they're not a people as well. Or is it just the Brits you think don't exist?
@@jimnicholson8969 All northwestern Europeans are Germanic. It's a requirement to be English, French, Belgian, Swedish, Danish, Etc. We're all Germanic, that's the point. Maajid is an Asian. He is not Germanic so is not British or English.
@@nicfromwales No you couldn't, because the English are an ethnogenesis of Anglo-Saxons and "Celts" (Celt is also the wrong word to describe the Brythonic Britons, as it's a language not a race). And Anglo-Saxons are not immjgrants to Angle-land.
@Mr A but those countries were formed by anglo Saxon. And won. Which by historic standards how land was grabbed. By conquering. Name me a country that's not born by this method.
He doesn't want to because then it would be harder to justify to himself treating him a lesser. The more other he can pretend Maajid is, the more justified he feels in treating him differently.
@Red Eed *"not English"* *"not an aboriginal Australian"* Do you think we wouldn't notice you moving the goalposts there? I was born in the UK and moved to Australia at the age of four. I've lived here since, but for a break of about a year and a half at the of 11-12. While some may do so, I don't even hear Aborigines refer to white people born in Australia as not being Australian. If a couple were to immigrate from Norway and they had a child, would that child be English? What about someone born in England and descended from invading Vikings hundreds of years ago? What is the actual difference?
@Red Eed, are people born in England but descended from Vikings or other tribes that invaded indigenous to England or not? How many generations do you require a person's ancestors to have lived in a country for them to be considered indigenous to that country? How long would Maajid's descendent have to have lived in England for them to be considered English, or would that depend on how much of his familiy's previous culture and/or skin colour they retain?
@Skankhunt42 yeah, that’s because you added the word aboriginal there, that’s an ethnicity. If you were born in Australia and live there, you are Australian. Nationality is not ethnicity.
@Skankhunt42 I thought you were supporting the callers view that the ethnicity is the important thing to being British as opposed to nationality. I must have misunderstood.
Maajid, if you are born in England, you are British. He talked about roots, we all have roots from many places, including this bigotted caller probably.
My mother was born in the england, she speak English, French and German. Her father is Greek Cypriot, she is not cypriot, doesn't even speak Greek. That doesn't make her foreign
@@stevejwilliams61 The caller was saying that 1st or even 2nd generation immigrants to England don't have the same civil rights as third or fourth. What's your views on that?
The countries of Australia and the United States are white creations. Europeans conquered America and Australia through superior military capabilities. The natives defended themselves. They lost, but they defended. Why then are native Europeans not allowed to defend themselves against the settling of foreign peoples?
Well, that is a tricky one because white people invented the words "Australian" and "American" and truly indigenous people of USA and Aus do not identify with those terms. Indigenous cultures in America and Australia have their own Nations and their own names for their land, each nation have their own culture, language and form of government, the Northern Territory in Australia is Governed by Aboriginals and to a degree is considered a nation within a nation like the Navajo. As someone from Australia I can tell you the indigenous people in the bush do not Identify as Australian but Identify by the Nation they belong to, that is the same in America too, a classic example of this is the Navajo Nation or the Cherokee Nation, these are countries within a country. "American" was named by a French man not a Indigenous name, nor is Australian.
You took him to school Maajid! It’s people like you that make me proud to be British! I love the fact that he rang up with a view which he has probably spent his entire adult life researching and Maajid picked him apart in 10 minutes...on just the very ‘roots of it’
If demographic trends continue native Britons will be a minority by 2060, and all the while the natives cheer on those who will replace them. Native Britons should think of their ancestors and their countrymen first.
@@Ash-886 With that in mind, you must feel an enormous amount of empathy for the native North American and Native Australian. I think those that are linked to the invaders, should be sent back to the land of their ancestors. That would be interesting.
@@cryptham It's interesting you bring up this. The north American and Australian natives lost their territory through warfare and immigration. They fought for their land, they defended it, and they ultimately lost. Native Europeans should defend their land as well, why should Europeans not be allowed to fight back?
He articulated himself so well, I aspire to be that articulate and get my points across with that much clarity. I do love how he didn't even bother to address the fact that pakistan is not, infact, in the middle east lol
@@Sunrise9696-v2z Why would he not be English. english is somebody who lives in England and has a UK passport, without declaring themselves part of the other 3 nations. You will notice that the SNP leader is a Scot with Scottish roots and Asian ancestry. You are twisting the meaning of the word to suit your prejudice.
British is a nationality. You're either born British, or you're naturalised British. That makes you British, full stop. Ethnicity is a whole different thing and has no relevance in a social context of what British is. Ethnicity is something the NHS, for example, asks you when you fill in your details, because ethnicity has medical importance, since different ethnicities can have certain different health propensities. That's when separating British ethnicity from British nationality makes sense. In social contexts, it does not - it is crass and nonsensical.
Welsh, Scottish and English are distinct ethnicities. English people are by definition rooted in a genetic pool that is white European and going back hundreds and thousands of years.
@@ringtail1410 Both are in the wrong first and foremost Majid is not acknowledging he has a MUSLIM name. MUSLIM is Majid's religious identity but unfortunately Majid has not behaved as a Muslim. It's like me saying "Ringtail" is and "English" name when it is your UA-cam name; this is where Oswald had gone wrong.
@@wolfgang7812 I never said that. I said it was a Pakistani name. Which it is. However it is also an arabic muslime name. Only muslimes have this name. So it is in fact you that is wrong on both counts. And Maajid was actually an Islamlc extremist. Also, the word Ringtail is English. Oswald is an English name. Maajid is a Pakistani name. These are facts.
@@ringtail1410 the vast majority of Christian and Jewish names originates from exactly where Muslim names originated. You are aware these are all Middle Eastern religions, right?
No such thing as the English? Insane. Maajid may well be a citizen of England (or more likely the UK) however he is not English. No one would ever question the idea that being born in Australia doesn't make you an aboriginal, why do they do the same for England?
Being born in Australia would make you an Australian though, which is why being born in England makes one English, but not necessarily an Anglo-saxon. If ethnicity or nationality are going to be the defining feature of your entire worldview, then you should probably learn the difference between them.
@@pragueuprising560 'English' is a race, read my response very carefully, I was very precise, Maajid may well be a legal citizen of England (or more likely the UK) but he is not English.
I’m an American. I have just found the LBC. Favorite thing on UA-cam. Also I just found out I’m not American. My family came from Italy. Thank you Oswald
Maajid Nawaz you are a great person, and here in Sicily, no matter what your ethnicity is...let's talk about human beings not ethnicity...great man, my respect
@kalunda who here is claiming the Maori don't exist and that European settlers are the Maori? Or that US citizens are native Americans? Or that australians are aboriginals? Literally nobody claims that, which is why its so funny when maajid claims he's English. Its just as laughable as an American claiming they're native American, or a NZ citizen claiming they're Maori just because they have a NZ passport. Glad we agree
@@billsmoke4919 is it beyond your comprehension that we already do? European settlers created the nation of the USA. They are natives to the country they created, but nobody in their right mind claims that Americans are the same as native Americans, or that native Americans don't exist, or when NAs talk about themselves as a group nobody goes "but what IS an American anyway?? I'm just as native as you!"
@@ringtail1410 HIS ENTIRE LIFE is in UK he follows britihs customs, and went to britihs school program dby British media, there is no difference, if u close ur eyes u could easily imagine him being a yt guy
English is not an ethnicity, any more than American is. If you are born in England, your are English, but may not be, for example, Anglo-saxon, which is an etnnicity. Majid is English as it is a nationality.
@Sultan King it's not muddy at all. People have homelands and countries and these things exist for a reason and generally it is accepted this is fine, it is only denied to White people.
I've never watched Maajid before, but we need more of this. Sensible, articulate discussion of the issue without name calling. Didn't hear any buzz words either.
Poor guy is probably forced to talk about his national identity more than anything else regardless of the topic. All thanks to the degrading level of social intelligence in the northern parts of this country. Maajid: "so caller, what are your thoughts on the Ukrainian war?" Caller: "I was just wondering, where your grandparents came from".
@@chrisdeep8417 the northern parts? I have to disagree, you see far more if that mentality in Lodn than you DO Aberdeen, remember Scotland refused to let immigration remove an asylum seeker from his home and they eventually had to let him go
@@chrisdeep8417 not sure what you're refering to there mate - I'm from the midlands, had the "go back to your own country" BS while growing up, moved to Liverpool, and didn't witness anything like that since. The further north I am, the more comfortable I feel.
I’m sure he is proud of his background and his family’s past. But his present, and his loved experience are British. Both statements can be true! Winston Churchill was half American !
Fortunately, most people of all classes and colours, born here, or elsewhere, native (as far as anyone who hasn't tracked there family tree can tell) or with ancestors abroad, living in this country, will agree with Maajid. Excellent work sir. Your rationalism and ability to not become pejorative was admirable and I'm certain more restrained than I would have been. Thank you.
Many of you seem to find it hard to digest the conversation. Maajid is a British citizen as he was born in the UK. That makes him as equal a British citizen as any “indigenous” citizen. He is not ethnically Anglo-Saxon. He doesn’t care. Facts don’t care about your feelings.
Im a british sikh when I hear people tell us to go back to our country, tell dont ask the sikh who server the British army twice in one century to help use out
He wasn't British either; he became an Irish citizen after 1962, partly because he refused to swear an Oath of Allegiance. And that's the point. Nationality. Is. A. Legal. Identification. Not. An. Ethnicity.
Not true. I’m from Somalia we have cities some tribes aren’t allowed to even live in evenhoigh they’re Somali lol. Same religion same skin colour but we are very tribalist society. I know I can’t live in certain areas in my own capital etc. I think this isn’t English issue but worldwide. Humans are very strange and insane but lack self criticism so much.
Omg!! I can't believe the caller actually feels entitled and confident in the absurdities he's spouting! He actually said, with no embarrassment, mind you, "i don't think you're equal to me" wow... just wow!
Imagine living your life worrying about people’s genetic heritage and whether or not that makes them truly British. Just be honest, you hate people who have dark skin, it scares you and confuses you. Especially when they’re very friendly and successful like Maajid.
I'm not saying Maajid speaks the language better, I was referring to people speaking the language better. "Especially when they're very friendly..." If I were talking about Maajid it would be "who also speaks..." However , I wasn't. I was talking about people therefore, "(the people) who speak the language better than most Brits"
"Well sorry I'm not a learned historian on the culture of your country" If by, "learned historian" you mean, "has ever heard of the country of Pakistan" then yeah, I guess you're correct.
“You are a Pakistani, you are from the middle east” are schools that bad in the UK?
Very bad mate
lol hahahahahahahaha
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You seen Americans point on a map at Australia with China wrote over it as next place to attack lol... now thats funny lol.
He probably never went to one!😡
Black and born in the UK, but got tired of being told since childhood to "go back to where I come from." Now living a very comfortable lifestyle in the Caribbean thank you very much.
That's the point. I don't understand why we spend so much time and energy trying to be accepted by white people all over the world. We should get it together and learn to enjoy our own company
True thats why I left to imagine there where more people willing to leave the native brits are not very welcoming.
I'm assuming you support West Indies in cricket but what nation do you want to win in football? Just curious.
@@briancohenthepfjmassive.4769 hey you should not assume every caribbean person likes cricket fella just saying as a Kittian lol
@@Jaan-kitts I can assume what I want , whenever I want. It doesn't mean it I think I'm right.
I assume you're female and the person who wrote the thread is male.
I was born in Norway but have lived in England for 26 years, I’ve had people tell me when they find out I’m not English, “at least your the right colour” it’s clear to me what this caller was saying and it’s disgusting
Why is that disgusting? It's just like someone from a Native American tribe remarking the same thing to someone from another Native American tribe. Or a Maori saying it to a Tongan. Something tells me you wouldn't be offended in these scenarios.
The caller was simply saying that Maajid is a Pakistani, which is exactly true.
@@ringtail1410 I’m half English but wasn’t born here. He was born here and had lived here all his life. He’s more English than me but because I’m white I wouldn’t get the same reaction from this caller. That’s the point I’m making. Nothing to do with Native American tribes.
@@David-es8fr Where you are born is irrelevant to your ethnicity, it's to whom you are born from that determines that. Maajid is not English at all, he's a Pakistani. The English are a northwestern European ethnicity. And I didn't say it had anything to do with Native American tribes; it's called an analogy. Do you not know what that is?
@@ringtail1410 wrong English is not an ethnicity .you confusing ethnicity and nationality
@@David-es8fr Idiotic comment!
I wanted to cry when he said pakistan is in the middle east somewhere😮
2024 - REFERENDUM on MASS IMMIGRATION
There is no mass immigration. Do you ever get out and see the country?
As a Canadian, I just laugh at the notion that you can confuse ethnicity with citizenship.
People have siezed from loving their roots man
But to be fair, Canada is a very young entity, in comparison to England as a nation state.
@@internetkurator9256 Defined after certain nations standards wich they defined them selves....yes. It depends on how far you look back.
Yeah... especially when the term Britain is derived from the french Brittany... and, unless you're a celt, you're not indigenous to the UK anyway...
@@CaptainTodger69 it is the other way round, Brittany was named after settlers moved across the channel because of the increase of Scoti-raids and AngloSaxon "invasion" in 5th or 6th century (Arthurian Days of lacking sources).
But you are of course right, only Celts are true Britons. :-)
Its weird that a former empire is surprised about their diversive population.
You know one random person on a call in show doesn't represent the entire population right?
@@blazedsamurai9684 sure, but seems a frequent thing
@@internetkurator9256 Where does it seem frequent?
@@blazedsamurai9684 in the Media, in readings, and by what I was told by fellow students in Exeter
It's ironic to say the least, but that happens in pretty much every country that had a former empire... How dare this people come into our lands to work and pay taxes?! Just because we went into theirs, pillaged it, enslaved them, etc etc, they now think they have a right to come and WORK at ours?! How preposterous!!!
Since when was Pakistan in the Middle East 😂
Exactly! Idk why he didn't even bother to correct him. People like using the term "Middle East" in a derogatory context. He should've taken that away from him.
Most morons don't own maps. Or know how to use them.
Pakistan is considered to be in "the greater middle east" as well as being a south Asian country... although I don't believe this is something the caller actually knew
Pakistan is in South Asia, same as Bhutan, India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Nepal
Right it's in Asia 😂😂😂
Can someone explain about the ethnicity of the british royal family?😅
Mostly German, with Russian and Austrian links when they had royal families.
@@glorifiedonion6676Mostly german.
The royal family in england are German, and i can prove that, they are from the house saxecoberg, their real name is saxecoberg goth
Reptiles
First time heard Pakistan is in middle East...
Ummm. Pakistan is in South Asia. Let Google be your friend. The Middle East is actually the Horn of Africa.
@@real_abiolaRead the comment again? Tony Lin was being sarcastic! 🤭
😂
@@real_abiola lol. Not that you were wrong on pakistan but then horn of africa is middle east? Lol
Pakistan is a south asian country, which is also considered to be part of "the greater middle east"...
The hypocritical thing is that anyone who studied a bit of history would know that Anglo-Saxons originated in northern Germany and Denmark, not England.
@@postcardsfromprotest Beautifully put!
There were original British people in the same way there were original German people. All go back to Noah who goes back to Adam. However since Noahs time we have developed into different cultures. I am white born in Britain as were my generations before me and I am British. If i was born in Hong Kong of British parents they wouldnt call me Chinese. so why try to appropiate another ethnicity for at least 10 generations.
@@michaelbrett3749 Except you would be chinese... if you were born in China and lived there your entire life that would be your nationality. Also chinese is technically (though I know there are those who would argue otherwise) not an ethnicity. Asian is the ethnicity wich you would not be if both of your parents were presumably caucasian for example.
@@michaelbrett3749 i’m kinda confused
so are you saying (based on ur comment) barack obama is not american?
is tht wht u r saying?
just trying to understand wht u mean
@@4yinyang err tho i think u meant well, but asian is not an ethnicity
indian is asian (tho i do believe there are different branch of ethnicities in india tht i’m not well verse of)
malay is asian
han is asian
and my dear friend, indian, malay and Han ARE ethnicity of asians
and in the case of indian it can also be citizenship
This man has absolutely legendary patience and compassion in the face of immovable and deeply rooted ignorance and racism.
@TheRuralJuror69 Indeed 100 percent!
So if I was born and bread In Japan, being a white Englishman, northwest European. Would I be then ethnically Japanese??
@@craigmullen9046 no
@@craigmullen9046 No, because Japanese isn't an ethnicity. You dolt
@@thephantomterence9211 Exactly!!!!
I am Welsh and lived in London for 30 years and was told many times to go back to my own country Wales…lol
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Wales is beautiful country on earth 🌎
Sorry to hear that ! Some very ignorant people out there
We should all go back to our original homeland........The Great Rift Valley in East Africa!😆
What in the world?
No way!!
Caller to radio show : "your a Pakistani man you dont belong here".
Same caller to a takeaway the same day : " can i order a chicken bhuna, pilau rice and a cheese naan please".
Because this example is so adept at showing the attitude of majorities towards visible minorities. This ignorant man who called in got way way too much time on the radio show platform ….I would say. Still, Mr Nawaz did challenge him with dignity and in well spoken manner.. thanks goodness for that.
That dude traces Pakistan in the middle east on the map. He has such a problem with Pakistanis, you would think he would have read something on Pakistan or at least looked at the map once in his life. Not every Mohammad is an Arab.
@@f1aziz When I heard him say 'Pakistan is in the Middle-East', my first thought was, 'No it's not'.
suspect he doesn't say Please...
@@f1aziz Whereas you seem to trace Pakistan to northern Europe. Maajid is a Pakistani, as the fella says. He is not English
Maajid is an Englishman. He is British. He was born in England. He is a part of the United Kingdom and his views are equal to all others. Period.
He might be British. But he is not English.
He is British, not English
He is Pakistani acting like he is white
Andrew you go out in the Street with a group of White people and chant "Death to Israel" see if you get locked up..Majjid did that
I hate it when a brown person acts like his white, it would be the same thing like a white person acting like his brown. Be proud of your own colour.
I bet Oswald now wishes those British boats didn't go sailing around the world so much
Natives fought against the British Empire to defend their homeland, most of the time they lost, but they fought at least. Native Britons should be able to do the same in defence of their homeland.
@@Ash-886 who are the Native Britons?
@@Ash-886 you do realise that according to your definition Prince Phillip isn’t British as he was born in Greece into a Greek German and Danish family. Maybe you should get a DNA test because most people aren’t pure native in the 21st century. Most of the Royal family of Britain are descendants of the Russian and German Royal family so none of them are actually ‘native Britons’
@@Ash-886 if the royal family don’t reflect the ethnicity of the general population isn’t it hypocritical and invalid to have an issue with people who aren’t full blooded brits or does the issue stem from the fact that they’re not white and share the same skin colour because many so called ‘British’ are not Anglo Saxon at all. Even the Anglo Saxons are a mixture of Celtic, Germanic and Danish peoples. So there is no such thing as a full blooded British person. I highly suggest a DNA test for yourself and you’ll see how ‘British’ you really are, and at the end of they day everyone is human your differentiating people based on how much melanin is in someone’s skin. We are all just flesh and bones.
British boats aren't bringing in the net 300k immigrants each year.
The level of ignorance in this country is shocking!
@@wickedgame100 I'm not shocked. That's a trait of all colonisers
Yeah I know we’ve got English citizens defending a religion that doesn’t see slavery as a crime?
@@AndersBrevic what religion?
England has had a relationship with India for much more than a century now , even Queen Victoria had a man servant .Please. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe what the caller was referring to was the cultural differences between us and the rest of the world.. i.e. following the Traditional British morals and values of the society as a whole . .
@@queenscotia769 why should people follow csok called "British" values if living in Britain? What are these supposed values anyway? Are the many thousands of British criminals either locked up currently or running free with their criminal ways being true to these values? Surely not.
T g d only values that are important are ones of minding oknes own business, not being a complete nuisance or as criminal, surely. All decent people have those. The Brits CERTAINLY didn't invent them (as if 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣).
"I don't think you belong here"
Jesus Christ. Can this guy hear himself?
They yell all the time yet still dont hear it
naajid nawaz is a munafiq.
I actually gasped when he said it!
"oswald" is a disgrace
And he would probably defend colonialism
The worst part about this for me personally, is hearing my own ignorance echoing from the past. I held similar views to that caller in my teens and early twenties. The difference, I hope, is that I set out to educate myself once I began pulling on the threads, after hearing much harsher versions being spoken around me, but coming from the same place.
Forgive me, I was blind but now I see and would open my arms before opening my mouth to criticise nowadays.
Don't worry mate, the fact that you've grown and learned is something commendable.
@@anaguma90 Thanks brother
I commend you on your honesty. It gives me hope to hear people who can reappraise their beliefs that I bet weren't so easy to just discard. You don't need forgiveness, just carry on spreading the word is enough.
You learn, you grow, you educate
Life is about learning and overcoming ones foibles and ignorance. We should all be on that journey. It is sad to remain caught up in rage and confusion, and never move on
Wow. This guy really knows how to articulate himself intellectually and respectfully.
Most people from here are the same and can articulate themselves intellectually and respectfully
I wonder if the caller realises he is not the queen and doesn't get to decide who is British and who isn't.
One law for him another for ... (you proper Brits know the rest).
@@philm4682 No Brexit voter.
@P U possibly the worst argument I've ever heard. The guy doesn't even know the different between a nationality and an ethnicity
@P U His name is Natty and he was featured on Patriotic Talk.
The patience of this guy is out of this world.
Being in prison for years teaches you discipline
@@TheUnique69ablewhose been in prison for years ??
@@Pure9Football majid was in prison
Prince Philip is born into a Danish/Greek family in Greece. Is he English ? Does he belong in England ? After all he is only the husband of the queen of England 😅
Prince philip is british
The whole royal family is German!
Yes they are british because they are "white"
I guess it's a lot easier if you look the part. Just shows you the level of social intelligence in most English people.
i would venture guess the caller would say yes, based just on skin tone.
This was so painful to watch. I want to believe the man genuinely doesn't understand what Mr. Nawaz was saying, but I can't shake the suspicion that the caller doesn't view non-white, non-anglo saxon people as fellow citizens.
He doesn't... The entire call is obvious.
@@junehebe right!! 😂😂😂 Trump voters share the same sentiment in the states.
Only when they win throphies in sports
What about Celts or Britons or Vikings?
He doesn't understand thats obvious, but the problem is he doesn't care. He's ignorant and wouldn't be open to being corrected because he's set in his ways. Theres no possible way he could have had an intelligent conversation with him.
The whole world is so confused about ethnicity and citizenship. It is so sad. I am Asian, but I am an American citizen.
And I don't understand how. It's not a complex distinction!
@@paulhilton6426sadly though, non-white people in the US are defined as either Asian American, African American or Hispanic, but they never define white Americans as European American.
@Eastlomond which they should because, based on the caller's mentality, they're not native of the Americas. They invaded and exterminated the natives. 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
Majid made the mistake of not cutting the call when he said "Pakistan is in the middle east"
Pakistan is in East Asia....
@@roseyk7677it’s in the South lol not the east
How he managed to remain calm & not get infuriated by this caller is beyond me. Absolute respect.
He’s probably had to deal with these sorts of people (on and off the air) for his entire life, so he’s probably used to it by now… Enough to not be offended on the surface, at least.
I suppose there is contentment in the fact that any 'normal' British or even English person can very plainly see that he is British. Ironically a typical foreigner would probably also identify him as English.
Some people are just too bigoted to realise that British is something great and cannot be contained within just the four walls (even if one of those walls is bigger that the other three). Such people make a case for introducing a citizenship exam for everyone.
I'm sure in the past he would but he has now understood the mindset of some people and build resistance.
@@chrisdeep8417
Some people are are not cowed and deracinated enough like you to pretend Pakistanis can belong to nation(s) of people they otherwise have zero genetic commonality with.
If you know where he's come from, and what he's been through, you'll understand why that guy doesn't bother him at all.
As Trevor Noah once said: "If there is one nation in the world that has no right to complain about immigration, it's Great Britain."
That is pretty undeniable.
100%
Nope, the people alive now didn't colonize anyone, they have every right to complain.
@@sclips798 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️.
@@sclips798 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️. Look around you. Look at the WORLD. Think ffs
The name “Oswald” should’ve been a warning sign from the beginning, no?
I was just thinking that.
Oswald is a Saxon name. Saxons came from North Germany.
Oswald Cobblepot
yeah he was named after oswald mosley.
What if his name had been Æthelbert?
Here in India i spoke to a sikh who was born and brought up in UK. He said he was tired of being told he doesnt belong in UK and should go back to where he came from. I wish all commonwealth countries had the courage to say the same to the Brits when they ruled them
For a start, that's not true. And secondly, there was no unified India before British involvement. I bet you still long for sati, hey?
They did .. but the brits didn’t listen 😂
There was a system. Many kings, leaders, tribes. A power vacuum left by the last mughal emperor (who was a fool.) Indians welcomed British traders and were in turn treated like dirt. British built trains to carry the stolen jewells.
@@ringtail1410
@@ringtail1410wthf sati...forgot how many millions you killed in subcontinent? And looted 45 trillion...bldy give the money back
@@ringtail1410 what is not true......and if india was unified or not.....
how does that make it okay to usurp another country and colonize it.
Oswald in 1933: “Well yeah I suppose Jews have the right to hold a German passport, but...”
I was going to comment on the irony of his name 😂
"I guess Jewish soldiers can be awarded the Iron Cross in WW1 but uknowshup"
In Oswalds eyes how many generations of your family have to have lived in Englands before they can be called English ? O r is it that as long as your skin is not quite 'white' you can never been called English ?? I do hope Oswald has fair skin and blue eyes as if he hasn't I will be dubiouse about his ethnicity....
tbf, there sadly was at least one “oswald” who had that view in the uk in 1933.
To someone who is constantly being bombarded by US "news" outlets like Fox News and MSNBC, the level of discourse on LBC and its hosts' willingness to engage in factual, honest debate is such an incredible breath of fresh air. Thank you for bringing some sanity back into my world!
For real.
Despite being the polar opposite to Fox , MSNBC has top rated journalists and they present facts. You will never hear about "War on Christmas" on MSNBC
@@asicdathens As a former MSNBC viewer, I have to disagree. Two sides of the same coin. Doesn't matter if one is more left and the other far right, they are both corporate driven machines bent on limiting the real news and controlling the narrative. You can throw CNN right on in there too.
White scandinavian but felt more at home with the antillean crowd in the Caribbean than the dutch/english/american millionaires
Maybe Oswald believes that white Aussies aren’t in fact Australian? 🤔
@Gamer Lad02 my point entirely.
Oh, no. Like the American right his argument likely does a complete 180 when the subject of the British diaspora comes up. We deserve what we have because we were advanced enough to go out and get it. Anybody who couldn't keep what they had didn't deserve to have it.
@@aaronleverton4221 so does that mean America can now do the same to Britain as the British did to all these Commonwealth countries. Make the subjects of the White House😂
@@sidknee4975 No, because the British made Australia and the US by putting British people there. For your analogy to work it would need to be the South African indigenous populations or the Malays or the Indians doing it. A country that Britain went home from and took most of the white people with them when they did it.
@@aaronleverton4221 the British made Australia? What about the indigenous people of Australia? White Australia’s are all immigrants. Simple as.
I wonder if any of these rioters went beyond GCSEs😂😂😂😂
Snob
I don’t think a lot of them even got to GCSE.
@@ringtail1410But then you realise being educated for GCSES can be accessed by everyone. 😂
@@Anonymous_0894 Assuming they aren't educated is snobbish.
@@ringtail1410 Well, if you see how these people are behaving, it's a fair assumption.
Its appalling to see the number of people who don't know the difference between citizenship and ethnicity...
So what ethnicity is this guy?
Or care.....
especially, when you go back far enough, an Anglo-Saxon is not a Brit either because the Saxons immigrated from Scandinavia and displaced/subjugated the Britons already living on the island. So the argument of ethnicity is just moot especially in the mishmash of migrating tribes and peoples of the european/scandinavian history. And he might even be a Norman, this Oswald.....
@@sanhestar the native British where not wiped out by the anglo saxon.
@@grahamt5924 Yes. That's why he said displaced/subjugated and not annihilated.
Rudyard Kipling - born in India, still documented as white British.
India was a British colony...
391jamie so you consider Kipling British despite it being his home of birth?
@@DaughterofAlbion Despite what being his place of birth, _British_ India?
I don't know what point you think you're making here. Kipling was born in part of what was then the British Empire.
@@391jamie just because India was part of the empire for a time it didn't stop being a country and was never "british India" as you say. Ask an Indian if they ever considered British people born in in India during that period to be just as Indian as them.
My dad was born in a British army camp in India of British parents. Did that make him Indian, no.
The truth is there's alot of nice people to ur face out there but behind closed doors they don't like u and they don't accept u. They're the ones to look out for!
And many of them tiny
@Guanxinated 123 Anglo Saxons themselves aren't indigenous to the British isles.
@Guanxinated 123 No, I'm not trying to say anything. I simply corrected your assertion that Anglo Saxons are indigenous to the island of Britain. All that waffle you wrote are your own weird thoughts.
The caller needs to also know that Pakistan isn’t in Middle East.
As a celt I think it's high time ALL foreigners left the British Isles especially those Anglo saxon chancers who have totally out stayed their welcome.
We dont call them the British isles.
lol
*cough* Celts are not indigenious either *cough*
🤣
@@johnbreen8994 why dont you like the term British Isles? It's a totally valid name.
When you follow the caller's view you unterstand why he is afraid of being in an minority one day. He suspects others will do onto him what he is doing onto them, while still in a majority.
That’s how a lot people in the US felt as well- or rather how I perceived that they felt.
White people are so afraid of becoming the minority, because they are afraid they will be treated as poorly as they treat the minorities.
You simply ask the question, “well gosh, what would be so bad about being a minority? Do you know something I don’t?”
The caller is in his own country not a foreigner
Exactly
Absolute nonsense
LOL... True that....
If you’re born in Britain, you’re British. You may be of xyz descent depending on your heritage (mine is Irish), but if you are born in Britain, you’re perfectly entitled to call yourself British.
You're talking about the political identity of being a citizen of the UK; paper Brits. Calling these people British is inaccurate, as it's a modern misnomer to do so. The British are actually the people indigenous to the British Isles. Maajid is arguably not British and he certainly isn't English like he tries to claim here.
@@ringtail1410 absolutely no one is thinking about the British isles when asking one is British. If you are born in Britian, you are British, regardless of your color. British is a nationality, not an ethnicity.
@@ringtail1410 and yes, people mean political identity when asked it someone is British. Thats why the caller said " no youre Pakistani".To which Majid replied that Pakistan isnt a ethnicity but a nationality, or in your words political identity, just like British.
@@Mr.Coffee576 The British are the people indigenous to the British Isles (English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish) and these people are Anglo-Celt. That's who the British are. We lend the term 'British' over to also mean 'citizen of the UK', but as I stated, that is a modern misnomer, as the original holders of that citizenship were all indigenous. Maajid is a Pakistani who is also a citizen of the UK. He is not British, and certainly not English.
'Pakistani' is an ethnicity collective of all the indigenous ethnicities of Pakistan (punjabi, khatri, shindi, gurjar, awan etc). Pakistan is obviously also a state and a national identity -- but you're not getting any Europeans describing themselves as Pakistani -- even if they are citizens of Pakistan. That's because it's really only an ethnicity. In fact the term 'nationality' used to be very synonymous with the terms ethnicity and race. Nation is still used to describe ethnicity in some instances, eg, 'the navajo nation'.
As the caller correctly stated, Maajid is a Pakistani.
@@ringtail1410 so therefore white people of European descent who are born in the US are not Americans. They're not Cherokee, or Lakota, or Algonkian. They're German, or Italian, or Dutch, or Spanish.
Yet we call anyone born in the US and carrying US citizenship, an American.
Why don't we extend the same courtesy to people in the UK?
That is the reason why Brexit happens people like the caller
What's the reason?
Stupidity / ignorance @@ringtail1410
@@MangoKulfi What's ignorance here? Why don't you explain what you mean.
@@ringtail1410the fact you cannot see that reason is the problem. This is the root of racism.
@@AL-YT-comment Why don't you explain it then. All three of you seem unable to do so. That's strange isn't it.
"I'm not historian"
"I'm not a geneticist"
That's great he remind it to us cause I would never have guessed it.
Then tries to bring genetics into it.... lol
Me neither. I was so relieved...then he tried to thrown some haplogroups into the mix to give it some scientific basis, but he obviously does not understand how that works: the haplogroup he mentioned is not specifically UK.
He is also not a geographer ... Pakistan in the Middle East 😂
I wish that Preeti Patel women could hear this, because apparently these types of people aren't in the UK.
These people are a small minority !
@@theisheep2676 I guess you've never been to Burnley yet.
The moment when Oswald Mosley called in.
I don't think his name is really Oswald
Perhaps he should think what to do with a “white” person who has a passport from Pakistan. Without seeing the passport ossie might light that person!! What an idiot
@@sammyboyjnr5520 exactly, the name was picked so like minded listening in would know where his rhetoric was going...
I have to dismantle this comment🤣😅 .iam dismantleist gurus
Wow!
If someone was born in UK, he is British
Where is his birth certificate filed?
Ethnicity isn't a piece of paper. It's who you are descended from. I'm descended from Germanic races that settled in Britain many thousands of years ago. I'm British. Nawaz is probably descended from Pakistani races that settled in the Indian subcontinent many thousands of years ago. He is therefore likely to be of Pakistani origin.
Ethnicity is not everything. My wife is American by passport, but her DNA is 99% British. You're telling me she's more British than the LBC host that was born in the UK?
@@ant4686 Ethnically she's British. You can change your nationality, nationality is whimsical, like your tax domicile. You can't change who you're descended from. It's literally in your bones.
@@Geokinkladze, ethnicity ties to a culture. A person may be descended from X but maybe not culturally X, because that person was born in other place..
@@amjanwaters6142 A horse born in a kennel is still a horse. Equally a Yorkshire Terrier born and raised with Whippits ain't gonna win no race against those brothers of his.
Would the caller have the same issue if the presenter was Australian or American? I doubt it.
No he wouldn't as of most of the uk wouldn't
Never! They know where to express their stupidity 😂
You’re a Pakistani from the Middle East .... what a plonker statement. My parents were from India and came and settled in the UK, at the invitation of HM & Her Government. I was born & bred in England and therefore I am English but not of Anglo Saxon heritage.
Oswald needs help.
@Cian MacGana I’m English, as I was born & bred in England but not of Anglo Saxon heritage. I’m glad I cleared that up for you.
@@onwardstotruth5810 let me get this right, you where born in England consider yourself English and a fellow English man doesn't want you to be English? That's just weird why would he want to make his tribe smaller? You are not saying I was born in England but I am Mongolian therefore I claim this lan for Mongolia..... Your english bud with a fascinating ethnicity I expect 🏴
@@onwardstotruth5810 your British
@Cian MacGana your comment is an insult to minorities who are actually being ethically cleansed around the world.
@Cian MacGana Had no regrets when u ethnically cleansed native Americans and Aboriginal Australians did you.
This is so depressing, what a miserable, embittered and inward looking island we live on
Foreigners cannot believe that in the UK the struggles with race relations are on debate daily and everything is about race....! All this from a country that conquered and claimed half the world as a sovereign nation....!
Yeah, wish we lived in a more happy and open country like Saudi Arabia or North Korea. UK how horrible.
@@TheInvincibleH That's your bar? Brutal dictatorships? That's like England's World Cup team saying, "Hey, we're better than Iceland" (Oh wait...LOL)
Try living in the USA 🇺🇸
We are NOT the home to the world and these nawaz types have to acknowledge this is NOT their country and to live to OUR conditions, NOT have us give up stuff these pondlife find offensive.
Does the caller understand the history of the first people who ever walked on the Planet we live on?
Someone tell him about the royal family and their origin . Just saying
@Red Eed
The family of the Royal family were normans who conquered England and migrated from Europe from France 🇫🇷
@Red Eed
So according to the callets logic not many of us are truly English or British as we all migrated at some point some earlier than others
@Skankhunt42 not exactly
@Skankhunt42
Whatever rolo
Mountbatten
I’m growing tired of the bigots becoming mainstream
This caller admits he hasn’t studied much of what he’s talking about and then just goes on happily showing his ignorance.
Priceless.
The caller was a guy?
He knows enough about genetics to understand that a South Asian Pakistani isn't a North Western European Brit. You apparently do not.
Let’s be honest! He’s British, but he’s bot ENglish is he? Is he before the anglo-saxon
i wonder what percentage of Scandanavian, Roman, Spanish, French, Persian, Ashkenazi Jew, etc, genes that caller has in his genome- I'm no historian or anything, but I seem to recall lots of invasions, conquests, and royal marriages, affairs, (from other countries or own family, didn't really matter much) ..and then there were boats, and trade, and wars and rapes, and slaves,... Wouldn't it be great if everyone had to take a semester of basic genetics before graduation?
@@trocarcat2961 Now dissect the Pakistani identity. Lets see how you can pretend that they're not a people as well. Or is it just the Brits you think don't exist?
Where does the caller think Anglo Saxons came from, ‘cause it ain’t England.
Actually it is England, hence the name England; Angle-land.
@@jimnicholson8969 All northwestern Europeans are Germanic. It's a requirement to be English, French, Belgian, Swedish, Danish, Etc. We're all Germanic, that's the point. Maajid is an Asian. He is not Germanic so is not British or English.
@@ringtail1410 By the same logic, I could argue that you’re not British either, but European. The Celts were here first; Anglo Saxons are immigrants.
@@nicfromwales No you couldn't, because the English are an ethnogenesis of Anglo-Saxons and "Celts" (Celt is also the wrong word to describe the Brythonic Britons, as it's a language not a race).
And Anglo-Saxons are not immjgrants to Angle-land.
@@ringtail1410Yes, from the GERMAN Angle tribe! 😂😂😂
😂 , but it stops being funny when you realise there's thousand if people like that caller 😦
Millions really. Hundreds of millions.
Millions mate don't be naive
The majority. It's ok. I don't want England to be full of Pakistani, nor I want Pakistan full of Anglo Saxons.
@Mr A but those countries were formed by anglo Saxon. And won. Which by historic standards how land was grabbed. By conquering. Name me a country that's not born by this method.
@@MohitKumar-jf8lz Iceland.
My guy said Pakistan is in the Middle East someone doesn’t understand geography. 😂😂
its not the far east so its the near east or middle east
.@@Jack-fs2im far from wher?,near to where?lol
@@giftchiposipho8967 lollouder .if you want to change the dictionary write to them.hahaha
@@Jack-fs2im please forward me the dictionary people's address and email.loliest
@@Jack-fs2im What? Paksitan is in south asia. Quite a distance form middle-east
“Don’t get distracted, STAY FOCUSED!!!”
Osworth: NO NO NO!!!!!
😂😂😂😂😂
So sad watching the UK in this ridiculous situation
Maajid was born here he is British. Can't understand why the guy doesn't get that.
He doesn't want to because then it would be harder to justify to himself treating him a lesser. The more other he can pretend Maajid is, the more justified he feels in treating him differently.
@Red Eed
*"not English"*
*"not an aboriginal Australian"*
Do you think we wouldn't notice you moving the goalposts there? I was born in the UK and moved to Australia at the age of four. I've lived here since, but for a break of about a year and a half at the of 11-12. While some may do so, I don't even hear Aborigines refer to white people born in Australia as not being Australian.
If a couple were to immigrate from Norway and they had a child, would that child be English? What about someone born in England and descended from invading Vikings hundreds of years ago? What is the actual difference?
@Red Eed, are people born in England but descended from Vikings or other tribes that invaded indigenous to England or not? How many generations do you require a person's ancestors to have lived in a country for them to be considered indigenous to that country? How long would Maajid's descendent have to have lived in England for them to be considered English, or would that depend on how much of his familiy's previous culture and/or skin colour they retain?
@Skankhunt42 yeah, that’s because you added the word aboriginal there, that’s an ethnicity. If you were born in Australia and live there, you are Australian. Nationality is not ethnicity.
@Skankhunt42 I thought you were supporting the callers view that the ethnicity is the important thing to being British as opposed to nationality. I must have misunderstood.
Maajid, if you are born in England, you are British. He talked about roots, we all have roots from many places, including this bigotted caller probably.
No, Maajid is a Pakistani with a British passport. Where one is born is irrelevant. Joanna Lumley was born in Kashmir, is she a Pakistani?
@@ringtail1401 no she would have some Kashmiri identity in her.
@@wolfgang7812 Joanna Lumley is English. That's her ethnicity. She has no Kashmiri in her at all.
My mother was born in the england, she speak English, French and German. Her father is Greek Cypriot, she is not cypriot, doesn't even speak Greek. That doesn't make her foreign
I'm English I'm also half Irish and half Maltese the plant earth is my home wherever I lay my hat 😂
His name is Oswald...do you think he was named after Mosley?
Exactly my thought
O dear, why don't you keep your petty sheep propaganda to yourself. The caller was pointing out the facts.
Oswald is a fantastic name.
Nah. Spengler.
@@stevejwilliams61 The caller was saying that 1st or even 2nd generation immigrants to England don't have the same civil rights as third or fourth. What's your views on that?
The irony of the man being called Oswald
By Oswald's logic, white Australians don't have the right to be called Australians and white Americans don't have the right to be called Americans
Hed read this and think theres nothing wrong with that
Correct.
The countries of Australia and the United States are white creations. Europeans conquered America and Australia through superior military capabilities. The natives defended themselves. They lost, but they defended. Why then are native Europeans not allowed to defend themselves against the settling of foreign peoples?
Well, that is a tricky one because white people invented the words "Australian" and "American" and truly indigenous people of USA and Aus do not identify with those terms.
Indigenous cultures in America and Australia have their own Nations and their own names for their land, each nation have their own culture, language and form of government, the Northern Territory in Australia is Governed by Aboriginals and to a degree is considered a nation within a nation like the Navajo.
As someone from Australia I can tell you the indigenous people in the bush do not Identify as Australian but Identify by the Nation they belong to, that is the same in America too, a classic example of this is the Navajo Nation or the Cherokee Nation, these are countries within a country.
"American" was named by a French man not a Indigenous name, nor is Australian.
How is that Oswald's logic?
You took him to school Maajid! It’s people like you that make me proud to be British!
I love the fact that he rang up with a view which he has probably spent his entire adult life researching and Maajid picked him apart in 10 minutes...on just the very ‘roots of it’
Unfortunately he still won't understand.
If demographic trends continue native Britons will be a minority by 2060, and all the while the natives cheer on those who will replace them. Native Britons should think of their ancestors and their countrymen first.
@@Ash-886
With that in mind, you must feel an enormous amount of empathy for the native North American and Native Australian.
I think those that are linked to the invaders, should be sent back to the land of their ancestors.
That would be interesting.
@@cryptham It's interesting you bring up this. The north American and Australian natives lost their territory through warfare and immigration. They fought for their land, they defended it, and they ultimately lost. Native Europeans should defend their land as well, why should Europeans not be allowed to fight back?
@@Ash-886 and you aren't saying anything about the bronze age irish who were assimilated peacefully by the celts?
He articulated himself so well, I aspire to be that articulate and get my points across with that much clarity. I do love how he didn't even bother to address the fact that pakistan is not, infact, in the middle east lol
But that's not the point. The point is the LBC commentator is Asian British because he has a British passport but he is not English
@@Sunrise9696-v2z Maajid from Southend-on-Sea? Lol What you mean is white, idiot. English is not an ethnicity.
The caller doesn't know the difference between ethnicity and nationality 🤦🏽♂️😂
@@Sunrise9696-v2z Why would he not be English. english is somebody who lives in England and has a UK passport, without declaring themselves part of the other 3 nations. You will notice that the SNP leader is a Scot with Scottish roots and Asian ancestry. You are twisting the meaning of the word to suit your prejudice.
Pakistan is in fact considered to be part of the "Greater Middle East" which includes Afghanistan
British is a nationality. You're either born British, or you're naturalised British. That makes you British, full stop. Ethnicity is a whole different thing and has no relevance in a social context of what British is. Ethnicity is something the NHS, for example, asks you when you fill in your details, because ethnicity has medical importance, since different ethnicities can have certain different health propensities. That's when separating British ethnicity from British nationality makes sense. In social contexts, it does not - it is crass and nonsensical.
He's a pro..wow
Calmed, relaxed, objective..sharp..respectful and actually desiring to help. Very refreshing conversation
Majud was totally worked up although he kept denying it
Welsh, Scottish and English are distinct ethnicities. English people are by definition rooted in a genetic pool that is white European and going back hundreds and thousands of years.
You get it. I get it. Why can’t he get it.
Why is this so important? Go back far enough your african
@@jonnypetrie1008 go back far enough you live in a puddle. What’s your point.
@@jonnypetrie1008 the out-of-Africa THEORY is now heavily disputed anyway
Harvey Mushman - Go back even further and there were no puddles, what's your point?
Maajid, it was heartwarming. But you cannot have a meaningful conversation with this sort. Ten thumbs up. Liked, shared and subscribed already.
I wouldn't even of granted him the opportunity of having the power of deciding whether or not I was "British". He *DOES NOT.*
Are we certain that the caller wasn’t the ghost of Oswald Mosley?
It's a common English name. Unlike the name Maajid Nawaz, which is Pakistani.
@@ringtail1410 Both are in the wrong first and foremost Majid is not acknowledging he has a MUSLIM name. MUSLIM is Majid's religious identity but unfortunately Majid has not behaved as a Muslim. It's like me saying "Ringtail" is and "English" name when it is your UA-cam name; this is where Oswald had gone wrong.
@@wolfgang7812 I never said that. I said it was a Pakistani name. Which it is. However it is also an arabic muslime name. Only muslimes have this name. So it is in fact you that is wrong on both counts. And Maajid was actually an Islamlc extremist.
Also, the word Ringtail is English. Oswald is an English name. Maajid is a Pakistani name. These are facts.
@@ringtail1410 Here goes another failure of British school system
@@ringtail1410 the vast majority of Christian and Jewish names originates from exactly where Muslim names originated. You are aware these are all Middle Eastern religions, right?
Him being called Oswald is just 😩😂 my gosh
Do i hear a mosley?
came here to say this exact thing 😂😂
No such thing as the English? Insane. Maajid may well be a citizen of England (or more likely the UK) however he is not English. No one would ever question the idea that being born in Australia doesn't make you an aboriginal, why do they do the same for England?
Being born in Australia would make you an Australian though, which is why being born in England makes one English, but not necessarily an Anglo-saxon.
If ethnicity or nationality are going to be the defining feature of your entire worldview, then you should probably learn the difference between them.
@@pragueuprising560 'English' is a race, read my response very carefully, I was very precise, Maajid may well be a legal citizen of England (or more likely the UK) but he is not English.
I miss this guy on LBC
@esporter5721 I do.
ME too.
Best presenter they've ever had!
I’m an American. I have just found the LBC. Favorite thing on UA-cam. Also I just found out I’m not American. My family came from Italy. Thank you Oswald
3 days ago was round the time LBC popped up on my feed too!
Taking his view nobody is American other than native Americans
Ciao !! ❤️🇮🇹
@Guanxinated 123 can you shut up
you may be american, but your heritage is italian. its not a difficult concept
Maajid Nawaz you are a great person, and here in Sicily, no matter what your ethnicity is...let's talk about human beings not ethnicity...great man, my respect
Oswald is a legend
He's an angry tw@t that doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.
@@bert454 Agreed you described the host perfectly.
@@ianjones2731 How's the host angry compared to the caller?
@@bert454 Neither seem angry really just passionate about their respective positions.
You're the one calling people names in anger mate.
Not "leg".....but "bell"....
Born and raised in Birmingham. I currently live in Nairobi and nobody is telling me to go back to where I'm from.
The funniest thing is OSWALD ISNT EVEN A BRITISH NAME LOOOOL
Someone doesn't understand nationality and ethnicity
@Simon I think you may want to try to apply your logic to America and watch it crumble into nothing.
@kalunda Quite right. They're European ethnicities which is why those countries are nice places to live.
@Simon Goodwind Not really. It's possible to be an anti-colonialist and also be pretty clueless on the difference between statehood and ethnicity.
@kalunda who here is claiming the Maori don't exist and that European settlers are the Maori? Or that US citizens are native Americans? Or that australians are aboriginals?
Literally nobody claims that, which is why its so funny when maajid claims he's English. Its just as laughable as an American claiming they're native American, or a NZ citizen claiming they're Maori just because they have a NZ passport.
Glad we agree
@@billsmoke4919 is it beyond your comprehension that we already do?
European settlers created the nation of the USA. They are natives to the country they created, but nobody in their right mind claims that Americans are the same as native Americans, or that native Americans don't exist, or when NAs talk about themselves as a group nobody goes "but what IS an American anyway?? I'm just as native as you!"
We still have people who don't understand the difference between race, nationality and ethnicity at this day and age. 🙈😭🤦♀️🤷
It's a bit complicated if you lack the brain cells. You can normally spot these people by how they speak and behave.
There are also no races. We all are part of the human race.. why does the Anglo-sphere still think against science..
@@fabiansaerve You're absolutely correct, we are all people. Blacks, whites, browns, you name it; we're all Humans.
If your BORN in ENGLAND, your British, its thats simple. It has nothing to do with ethnicity!
Maajid is a Pakistani with UK citizenship, it's probably dual citizenship with Pakistan actually
@@ringtail1410 HIS ENTIRE LIFE is in UK he follows britihs customs, and went to britihs school program dby British media, there is no difference, if u close ur eyes u could easily imagine him being a yt guy
@@brokenbeaniegaming3263 Is Maajid an Asian, yes or no?
yes he is asian clearly. anyone else who doesn’t see that is confused
@@Amy35567well said
This Oswald dude is a clown. If he was born in Britain, he’s British.
√√Lets be honest, he is BRITISH! BUT He isn't english
This guy has said in his life the term “we want our country back”
I’m white but was born in Japan, am I Japanese?? Of course I’m not
I'm white but was born in China. Do I tick the Chinese ethnicity box?
English is not an ethnicity, any more than American is. If you are born in England, your are English, but may not be, for example, Anglo-saxon, which is an etnnicity.
Majid is English as it is a nationality.
I'm white and was born on land somewhere on this planet!!
@Sultan King it's not muddy at all. People have homelands and countries and these things exist for a reason and generally it is accepted this is fine, it is only denied to White people.
@@Sveinbeard please google the term ‘English people’. That should help you out and stop you from peddling nonsense
I’m really confused when did Pakistan become Middle East?
‘Dismantled’ ? I think not.
I think he means "muted". Mawaz muted caller. Well done Oswald.
Ignorant? I think so
@@gangstashiba in China we would also say he is not British.
@@dr34mlucid No one cares
I think he outclassed the caller by 100%.
I've never watched Maajid before, but we need more of this. Sensible, articulate discussion of the issue without name calling. Didn't hear any buzz words either.
indeed. sadly he got kicked off LBC
Same here, today was the first time I've watched him and he is awesome
Poor guy is probably forced to talk about his national identity more than anything else regardless of the topic.
All thanks to the degrading level of social intelligence in the northern parts of this country.
Maajid: "so caller, what are your thoughts on the Ukrainian war?"
Caller: "I was just wondering, where your grandparents came from".
@@chrisdeep8417 the northern parts? I have to disagree, you see far more if that mentality in Lodn than you DO Aberdeen, remember Scotland refused to let immigration remove an asylum seeker from his home and they eventually had to let him go
@@chrisdeep8417 not sure what you're refering to there mate - I'm from the midlands, had the "go back to your own country" BS while growing up, moved to Liverpool, and didn't witness anything like that since.
The further north I am, the more comfortable I feel.
Dismantles caller? Hardly
@Chris Gipson Nope..talking over the caller did not win the debate in the slightest.
@Chris Gipson One mild sentence and the leftist child goes straight to name calling. Temperament of a toddler 😁
@Chris Gipson lol widdle Cwissy is mad 😂
@@ianjones2731 The caller was an idiot. So no debate could take place
@@jesperjee You can still debate idiots....i do it all the time 😁
I think everybody should respect history. You are a Pakistani background. You should be proud of it.
I’m sure he is proud of his background and his family’s past. But his present, and his loved experience are British. Both statements can be true! Winston Churchill was half American !
1st time listener from North America. Very well done. So impressed by how well you handled that caller.
Fortunately, most people of all classes and colours, born here, or elsewhere, native (as far as anyone who hasn't tracked there family tree can tell) or with ancestors abroad, living in this country, will agree with Maajid. Excellent work sir. Your rationalism and ability to not become pejorative was admirable and I'm certain more restrained than I would have been. Thank you.
Many of you seem to find it hard to digest the conversation.
Maajid is a British citizen as he was born in the UK.
That makes him as equal a British citizen as any “indigenous” citizen.
He is not ethnically Anglo-Saxon. He doesn’t care.
Facts don’t care about your feelings.
@XXXVII brilliant
America . Australia .newzeland . And so on ... tel them that.
Im a british sikh when I hear people tell us to go back to our country, tell dont ask the sikh who server the British army twice in one century to help use out
Spike Milligan was born in India. He was never Indian
So was cliff Richard,or real name Harry Webb...but he wouldn't call hiself an Indian...
He blacked up a few times!
@@riksstuff.6429 PMSL 😂😂😂
He wasn't British either; he became an Irish citizen after 1962, partly because he refused to swear an Oath of Allegiance. And that's the point. Nationality. Is. A. Legal. Identification. Not. An. Ethnicity.
@Mike Hunt true
Gotta say, only in England can people have this discussion so calmly. Anywhere else this would have devolved into a shouting match.
You clearly haven't lived in England 😂
@@yaroslaf3060 he’d get knocked out if he said that in England 🤣🤣
Trust me, being on the radio saved him
thats because in England, racism is a right if you are white... trust me, i get 30 rejection from jobs every day.
Not true. I’m from Somalia we have cities some tribes aren’t allowed to even live in evenhoigh they’re Somali lol. Same religion same skin colour but we are very tribalist society. I know I can’t live in certain areas in my own capital etc. I think this isn’t English issue but worldwide. Humans are very strange and insane but lack self criticism so much.
The patience towards Oswald is commendable! There is no way I could have stayed calm in the face of such ill informed ignorance
I don't what is worse that his name is oswald or that he is that ignorant
@@paxundpeace9970 😂😂😂
He has British nationality. He is not ethnically English.
English is an ethnicity, not a piece of paper from the government.
@Andrew Robinson what?
@Sultan King absolutely right
@Sultan King you can’t talk sense into them
@Sultan King Well said, I agree completely.
@Sultan King Absolutely correct. 👍
Omg!!
I can't believe the caller actually feels entitled and confident in the absurdities he's spouting!
He actually said, with no embarrassment, mind you, "i don't think you're equal to me"
wow... just wow!
Yes, he is so entitled, that he does not realise the full wrongness of his vews.
Imagine living your life worrying about people’s genetic heritage and whether or not that makes them truly British. Just be honest, you hate people who have dark skin, it scares you and confuses you. Especially when they’re very friendly and successful like Maajid.
Who also speak the language better than most Brits lol
Don't correct me incorrectly. They also speak the language better than a lot of Brits.
I'm not saying Maajid speaks the language better, I was referring to people speaking the language better. "Especially when they're very friendly..."
If I were talking about Maajid it would be "who also speaks..."
However , I wasn't. I was talking about people therefore, "(the people) who speak the language better than most Brits"
@SUTTYMCFC pedantic and incorrect.......... impressive
It definitely scares them they feel threatened.🤣
"Well sorry I'm not a learned historian on the culture of your country" If by, "learned historian" you mean, "has ever heard of the country of Pakistan" then yeah, I guess you're correct.