TTP, Afghan Taliban, Refugees and Pakistan - Iftikhar Firdous - Khorasan Diary -
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- Опубліковано 12 тра 2024
- Dr. Iftikhar Firdous comes on The Pakistan Experience to provide an alternative perspective to state narratives, on this deep dive podcast we discuss Covering Conflict Zones, the Khorasan region, Role of the State, Afghan Refugees, IDPs, TTP, Taliban, Afghanistan-Pakistan border, the Northern Region, Drone Attacks, Osama Bin Laden, PTM and Political Disenfranchisement.
Dr Iftikhar Firdous has been editor for two major publications in Pakistan. His career spans over 15 years reporting from conflict zones. He has a degree in psycholinguistics and is an author of several research papers analysing the discourse surrounding transnational terrorist organisations. He is also an accomplished author who has contributed to published academic anthologies on conflict, governance and policy. He is the founder of The Khorasan Diary.
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Chapters
0:00 Introduction
1:00 Why call it the ‘Khorasan’ Diary
4:30 Iftikhar Firdous’s background
7:30 Mental Health of Journalists in Conflict Zones
11:26 State narratives and alternative perspectives
17:15 Refugees, IDPS and TTP
26:09 Can you do a deal with TTP?
33:30 Afghanistan-Pakistan border
38:30 State policies in Northern Areas
42:30 Drone Attacks and Osama Bin Laden
50:30 Raheel Sharif and Nawaz Sharif tension and National Action Plan
58:00 Political Disenfranchisement in KP, PTI and PTM
1:03:30 is TTP back? And Afghan Taliban
1:14:10 Audience Questions - Розваги
“Since I appeared on the Pakistan experience @ThePakistanExp1 podcast. I promised to give a list of books on the subject of Jihadism and ideologies. It’s impossible to mention all the books, although I firmly believe that primary sources written in local languages are the most important source of information and understanding but for the sake of a larger audience I am mentioning the ones in English language only:
1] Any discussion related to Juhadism and geography in its current form is incomplete without the mention of Ibn-Taimiya. Who inspired a plethora of discourses, scholars and rulers in the years to come. Secondly an understanding of Salafism lies at the core of the belief system and lastly the South Asian dichotomy of Deobandi versus Barelvisism is essential.
1978 is the formative year of Jihadism and militant discourses in South Asia. Essential is understanding ideological expansive intentions of Abdullah Yousuf Azam, Maulana Maududi, the drivers of the Iranian Revolution and Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan till 1988. Our times are just a rough extension of the imagination of these historical markers and individual thinkers.
Last tweet, since 9 books are more than enough. In the post 2000 world, the rise of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria and with it Abu Musab Al-Zarqavi. Unfortunately there is no good book on the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan, this needs to be written, the Salis Umar - a Pashto biography by the Afghan Taliban is a great historical referential book but is anachronistic and facts mentioned are debatable. There is also a lack of any published work based on primary sources of Islamic State Khorasan, majority of the written material is superfluous and lacks basis of local understanding, that book also still has to be written.
Added a book by Hamid Dabashi, who writes in the tradition of Edward Said, much like New-Historicism and a lecture which I find fascinating.”
- Dr. Iftikhar Firdous
Thankyou
Uff so much new info coming our way with each new episode, its getting hard to process it and absorb it this quick. But still we will ask for more. Can’t thank you enough for doing this show. 👏👏👏👏👏👏
All people know about these issues Books read them réspects@thepakistanexperiénce
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Ex Muslim Adam seeker youtube channel and Zafar hertic shahil sachwala Denibhai laughing 😂
Rafiullah Kakar and now Iftikhar Firdous! Good going TPE
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As usual an awesome podcast. Thank you Shehzad for doing all of this for us and for Pakistan.
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Iftikhar is man of his own kingdom. Thier are not enough of his kind in the market, always good to hear him.
Thank u shahzad u are always like fresh air!❤
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Zabardast discourse 👏🏼
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It's really so organic
The APS incident was indeed and still remains the darkest chapter in contemporary Pakistani history. I remember when that happened everyone here in India was extremely shocked and angry. India mourned for all those Pakistani parents and children.
Watching from Bangladesh. 🇧🇩🇧🇩
Iftikhar Firdous is a deep thinker and deep thinking is necessary today
this was amazing bro
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@@ThePakistanExperience ہم پاکستانی پنجابیوں کے اصل دشمن پشتون افغان اور بلوچ ہیں جو کہ سب دہشتگرد ہیں اور جنھوں نے ہمیں بزور شمشیر مسلمان بنایا
میں آپکے ویڈیوز کو بہت پسند کرتا ہوں جن میں آپ افغانوں اور پشتونوں کو ظالم، جاہل، دہشت گرد اور پاکستان اور
پنجاب مخالف دکھاتے ہے
سچ یہی ہے کہ ہم پاکستانی پنجابی ہندو اور سکھوں کو پسند کرتے ہیں کیونکہ وہ ہماری طرح ہیں اور ہماری نسل سے ہیں-
رہ گئے پشتون اور افغان تو یہ لوگ ہم پنجابیوں کی نظر میں مسلمان ہی نہیں ہیں بلکہ دہشتگرد ہیں جو ہم پر اور ہندوؤں اور سکھوں پر اسلام نافذ کرنا چاہتے ہیں جبکہ ہم پنجابی قوم اسلامی شریعت اور اسلامی نظام کو انسانیت کے خلاف سمجھتے ہیں -
انھی دہشتگرد افغان پشتونوں نے ہم پر حملے کیے اور ہمیں مسلمان بننے پر مجبور کیا-
- [x] پشتونوں کو اب سمجھنا ہو گا کہ وہ پنجابیوں کے غلام بن کر رہے گے تو تب ہی ان کی زمین پر امن آئے گا-
پشتونوں کو پوری طرح پنجابیوں کا غلام بننا پڑے گا
- [x] یہ ملک ہم پنجابیوں نے بنایا ہے اور ہم ہی اسکو چلاتے ہیں اس میں دہشتگردوں (پشتونوں ) کے لیے کوئی جگہ نہیں -
- [x] یا تو ہماری غلامی قبول کرلیں اور امن پائیں یا پھر فوجی آپریشن انکا مقدر بنتے رہیں گے اور انکے گھروں اور عورتوں پر ہم قبضہ کریں گے
Thank you for introducing these Gems.....First Rafiullah kakar now this amazing intellectual 👏 💜 ❤️
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Awesome episode. Iftikhar firdous has extraordinary insight about the conflict.
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Again why Mr Firdous is not on every news program each night is flabbergasting. Very informative and sincere podcast
I still remember that day when Taliban comes to power and Pakistanis were more happy than Afghans and laughing at India
And now I am laughing jihad vs jihad game of islam is so good no matter who win but jannat and martyrdom is 100% there 😂😂
Pakistan is the gift that keeps on giving with its comedy of errors. Pakistan is an endless source of tragicomedy for Afghans.
They have a Problem of ''Premature Celebration''
Karma is a Kuttiiyyahh
Even Learned and Educated Pakistanis were celebrating and saying now Taliban will get us Kashmir and Delhi.
*Even their ISI Chief Faiz Hamid went to Afghanistan to Celebrate and Read Namahz. They are Jokers*
Hurgati.
Nark jaayenge dono log saale
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Going great shehzad bhai....❤❤ Lovely to see podcasts about the issues no mainstream person wants to talk about in Pakistan apart from you and Muzammil.. I've been watching your content since 2021 and i haven't felt disinterested in anyone of your episodes since then..
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Mainstream have you been recording these podcast in some tehsil of mardan çharsadde ex fàta these podcasts probably won't help
And don't forget Junaid Akram.. this 3 give logical Pakistan podcast content..
Amazing & Insightful conversation
These guys are beast of sanity!✊✊
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ہمارا پاکستان ایک پاک جہنم ہے۔ صحت یاب ہونے کا کوئی امکان نہیں
Dear Shehzad you are requested to kindly talk hmm most of it, in urdu please. I refer your podcast to many people and after watching one or a half they complain of too much English. Please don't mind me brother. In a population with 58% literate including the private matriculation and madrassa literate, it becomes difficult to understand the context and meaning. Anyway you have earned my respect
Loved the way how Mr. Firdous analysed...its a treat to listen. Thanx Sahzad....plz bring him again.
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Last four weeks you have been on fire Shehzad. You have been my most watched UA-camr ever since you visited Islamabad. Wahi move ho jao agar mai kahu to 😂🙌
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Really good podcast. One of the best you gave in 2023
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Best episode, favourite journalist, so happy to see you two sitting together!
Khair, book recomendations kahan hain i cant find em😅
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Very fruit full disscussion, rightly dissecting all the issue, good work 👍
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Very honest and intelligent analysis.
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Youth of Pakistan needs to stand up against this regime.
26:42 Same we Indian’s feel about Pakistan
Pakistan also feels the same way about India
So well explained. Thanks
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Please do another podcast with miftah sahab. Also a good podcast with more focus on Pakistan's financial and economic problems, reforms, prospects and possible solutions with help of other parties, provinces and departments. Can you also ask about foreign ministry influence in economic matters as well as IT sector and free economic zones? Also about state owned enterprises condition and privatisation? Which enterprises need privatisation and which one need reforms individually of all important and commercial state owned enterprises? Your all podcasts are content focused and informative ones. Thank you for your hard work
Insights 👑💥
I really like listening to Iftikhar Firdous ... very good podcast.. humorous along the way
Shehzad,being an avid viewer of your channel, i really love these geopolitical videos. Keep it up 👆
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The problem with the Two nation theory is that it placed importance of religion as the sole identity of a person while neglecting language and ethnicity .
Pashtuns on both sides of the Durand line have more in common than they have with Punjabis Sindhis or other muslims of the subcontinent
There was no referendum on whether the Pashtuns wanted to join pakistan or Afghanistan .
Afghanistan Pakistan relations will always be problematic because of the colonial origin of the border .
Theek kahile
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You are still in love w8th your halala father
Well, that might be true in 1947, but it's certainly not true today. Certainly, there are many issues and also grievances against Islamabad, but they also see the situation in Afghanistan for many decades!. Where there is in fighting and issues are on a different magnitude. People aren't stupid they see their self-interest. Some years ago, the tribal areas between Pakistan and Afghanistan (previously FATA), which were previously more or less self administrated, are now districts in the province of KP. This happened on the behest of the local people.
Btw when one talks of links on both sides of the line. Well, there are also links between Punjabi and Pashtoon all along the Indus. Infact their is a division (Hazarawal) who speak Hindko ( a mix of Punjabi and Pashto), which make approx. 30% of KP. So these links/ influence go back before the time of the British to the era of Ranjit Singh. So there are many nuances and sides to the reality.
Hindko is not a mix of Punjabi and Pashto at all. I speak Pashto and have met Hindko speakers, their language has nothing to do with Pashto.
Plz tell us Recommended book by Iftikhar sahib
Informed discussion 👍.
Why don't you call Hussain Haqani for discussion on the current scenario? Plz arrange
Best interview I have ever seen.
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Absolutely fascinating. Congratulations Shehzad for another great podcast. I am well read about Pakistan Afghanistan issues but this discussion was Eye opener. I realized how little I knew about such complex subject. Very mature handling without blaming any one party but highlighting their failures and success. Most enduring quality is the Humility of the guest.
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Bhai peshawar attock kahan pohanch gae, sara kaam abbottabad may hoa tha
Started listening to get some answers about mysterious events in FATA and kpk in last 23 years but now I am left with even more questions without any conclusive answer about role of different parties. I wish you talked about Seymour Hersh's article about Operation Neptune Spear which came after that event
Very informative... Thanks.
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TPE is getting better day after day ❤
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Which material he suggested on this topic
More time required and breaking down of problem in this discourse for Pakistani like me.
Bro, can you do a podcast regarding PPP failures in the province Sindh with somebody special. What major problems are there from bird eye view
Very low voice....yar masla kia hai....full volume kia hua hai phir bhi awaz low hai
Awesome episode. Loved it. thank you Shehzad.
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Excellent recent guests. And very good discussion on important topics. More power to you.
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informative
Dear Shehzad,
You are doing a great job just keep up the good work.❤️✨
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Please call manzoor pashteen on your podcast.
Thanks Iftikhar sb
Thanks Shehzad sb
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Reasonable man
Very informative ❤
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At 7.17 , this person says jab 8000 bachhe mar jaye.But he didnt talk about Israeli hostages still languishing in MUSLIM JIHADIS captivity. This shows the bias of Pakistani intellects.
And we Indians come to ur programs to see the effect of how karma boomerangs.
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Great Podcast by shehzad
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Well Needed podcast
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Guests mic isnt working properly, cant hear him properly
Good topic and good discussion. Enjoyed it!!
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Can someone tell me what the "ABS Thing" is? 9:34
APS school massacre of children
Loved it
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Brilliant one Shehzad 👌👏💖
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Very good thought moderate discussion .
Two types of people live in Pak. Awam and hrmkhr Poonjabi army generals. Hrmkhr Poonjabi army generals have made it their mission that they will do everything that will enrich them, harm the interests of the country, further deteriorate the political and economic condition and polarize the society. The last thing on their minds is the defence of the borders.
Haven: seen the podcast yet :but i hope its benigicial
iftikhar Firdous 🙌🙌
Always eager to know the person and team of khurasan dairy . Love to hear the talk. Great effort and more strength to you and your team shehzad bhai for inviting such personality and doing podcast.
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Like this guy narrative definitely very analytical version Pakistani elite need to watch this and take his suggestions seriously
Excellent podcast. Sir apne Balochistan pe podcast kiya, ab Fata aur Afghanistan pe hai. Pakistani Kashmir se bhi ab 1 guest ko bulaye.
another sensible talk
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Sukar ha ap NY is ko upload kr diya
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We in Hinduism believe in Karma, now you are reaping your own collective Karma.
what u pajeets have to do with pakistan and afghanistan ?? Do u guys really have that much time or obsessed with us that you watch hours long podcast about pakistan 😂
Well let's see if India will reap what it did to Kashmiri... or the Sikhs of Punjab... or the tribal people of Central India... or the actions it did to the various communities of the North East...etc..🤔... but no!. Such principles only apply to Pakistan...suure
@f0815Hi-cd1tkashniris has same dilemma as what muslim are on the whole planet has. creating an islamic hellhole and impise sharia.As a ex sikh i can say sikhs are larhely divided on khalistan.indian sikhs mostly dont want it coz they know it will emd like pakistan. have u seen any protest gor khalistan in india like canada,UK? so dont create ur imaginary world. and central india? what's that?
@@f0815Hi-cd1toThere is no Khalistani movement in Punjab, it's only in Canada and England. In the Kashmir valley, really wish you could come down here and see the reality. The false narrative that is shown to the Pakistani Awam is soo far the reality on the ground. The central funds are actually being used for development instead of being stolen by a few families for decades. Tourism is growing and bringing in huge amounts of business.
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Well, the fact is that India carried out brutal actions in the 80s ,90s, and some in the 2000s, leaving many dead. There is a reason why Sikhs protested in UK, Canada, Australia, USA etc.. The same is also true for Kashmir issue. India uses it's Armed forces in the same manner to crush the people only that they give legal cover to it with legislation like the Armed forces special powers act. The whole use of armed forces against people stems from the time of the British.. Pakistan has also inherited that mindset. Of course, when issues aren't resolved politically, they flare up from time to time, as can be seen in Manipur. But the larger question is, will issues in East Punjab and Kashmir fester on under the skin and break out in years to come ?? Open question? Probably, you wouldn't agree with assessment as the principle of Karma only applies to Pakistan, not India😉
The first thing I did was subscribing the khorasan diary
book recommendation?
Something new for me..never aware of Khorasan diaries...too much new info on the other side of border
superb perspective. You need to talk more on these things. Only people of land can claim back the life they deserve. Love from mumbai.
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Japan is called the land of the rising sun.
U missed the plot. He said the origins of the word Khurasan happened centuries ago in that Geography, when there were no world maps or satellite images or mobile phones. For the people of Khurasan back then it was the land of the rising sun. 🤷🏾♂️🤦🏽♂️
I like you way of debate its really impressive
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Such a good topic, but low voice, it's not a good mix😢
30:22 Peace talk negotiations between Indian state and various North Eastern insurgent groups like ULFA and NTLP lasted for more than 40 years. Now many of thr leaders are part of cabinet in the federal state government thr.
Excellent discussions .. we need such people k jin k laakh ikhtalafat hi sahi kisi se but baat apny traf se at least facts based kary..
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افتخار بھائی نے نسوار کونسی رکھی ہے؟
Chaheye apko?
@@abdullahsaif9196 JI. Performance dikhai he bhi ne
I am loving the topics you are choosing and the knowledgeable guests you are bringing to the platform . Also thankful to qaid e azam for bringing urdu to mainstream and for us to be able to enjoy your podcasts 😅
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Well, actually, half of his conversation was in English..🙃... btw just a side note..Quaid-e-Azam wasn't very proficient in Urdu. Most of his speeches were in English..
@@user-rh5jp2sh4s have to agree to your point there , i was only referring to Palistan having the same dialect as Indians help in getting access to these conversations .
Pakistan is loosing the plot because some are getting a lots of plots.....wow, you have said it so well
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"A lot of plots"
Let's not forget the latest one million acres grabbed in Punjab alone (with the aim of grabbing a total of 10 million acres) under the guise of "corporate farming")
the thing about Shezad i like as person and the thing I find makes him so hard to criticize is 29:00 that he is ready to correct his biases and to be proven wrong.
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The base in Firdous voice is level 99999
The solution to Afghan Pakistan problem is to redraw the border permanently by allowing Afghanistan to control a part of Balochistan and hence access to seaports. Giving Pakistanis greater control over smuggling of illegal cargo from it’s territory. Also Taliban are more pragmatic as far as trade routes go as they have experience of centuries over controlling trade routes
and what about havoc of taliban?
@@INDIANATHEIST526 This conflict between Taliban and Pakistan armed forces is all about controlling illegal trade and drug trafficking, once Taliban get access to sea they will not have any reason to bother Pakistan. This talk about jihad is BS
Isis ko BH control na daden
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The two-nation-theory was applied to India to give purist Muslims a place to rule.
Now the same is being applied to partition of Pak.
U r my most watched UA-camr after engineer Muhammad Ali mirza.
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Ye studio to Naeem Sikandar podcast wala lagta hai
21:13 important discussion starts here.
Can we extract the fundamental point: Are we in the phase of State sponsored Talibanization of Pakistan?
Any doubt?
Civilising pak?
Let's also remember the state sponsored death squads (in Balochistan, KP, Sindh). And there is no doubt the murderous MQM of Altaf was fully state sponsored as are many religious militant groups all over Pakistan...
sab sahi hai but guest ka last sentences ke last words becomes very light.
I am from Pakistan and I am ashamed the way illegall Afghan Refugees treated by Pak Security Forces
Dear Shahzad Srf 80 taliban ki wapsi ki bt inky blkl jhoot hy. 1000 sy upr to srf ajkl Bannu Township mh ghoom rhy hy. Jagah Jagah offices kholy howy hy. Parso b ishaq group k logo ny Jarga kiya Bezan Khel aur Umarzai k logo k sth regarding installation of shariat. Jisy waha k logo ny reject krdiya. In Punjabi Establishment ny jo Kp aur Balochistan walo k sth kiya hy aesa Isreal ny Palastine k sth b nhi kiya.
Please attach books recommended by him.
Qrn. Hadith. That's all
pak keep doing same to its neighbours since 4 decades, now its worrying same happening to them.
Shehzad, as always 👍!
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Watched the podcast in full Shehzad. Dr Firdous is a scholar. A free unbiased thinker under the clouded skies of "establishment's" manipulation & shrouded failure.
Excellent stuff. Kudos Shehzad.@@ThePakistanExperience
There are other backers of TTP because the road they have chosen now is more promising for them. The people only following an extremist version of shariah cannot plan all this; educated people regulate TTP now.
Other thing is we are also not properly informed about Mianwali air base attack and peshawar mosque bombing in 2023; most of the time it feels like everything going on in Pakistan is backed by a faction of the boys.
Overall, an establishment friendly guest and maybe the only one who says that they didn't know about OBL.
And so the checkpost which was established was for a reason, there to stop a bombing