Unpacking Pakistan History: 1940-1971 and Conspiracy Theories - Ali Usman Qasmi - TPE
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- Ali Usman Qasmi, Professor (History) at LUMS comes on the podcast to unpack the history of Pakistan, starting from discussing the varied perspectives of Muslims pre-1947. On this podcast we discuss the Pakistan Resolution, the Punjabi Identity, whether Muslim League was a movement of the elites, how Pakistan came to be, the anti-Ahmadi riots, election rigging, Fatima Jinnah, Ayub Khan and Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto.
Qasmi sahab also goes into detail of the Ahmadi issue as we unpack the history of Pakistan 1940-1971.
Ali Usman Qasmi, Associate Professor (History) at the School of Humanities and Social Sciences, joined LUMS in January 2012. He received his PhD from the South Asia Institute of Heidelberg University in March 2009. Before joining LUMS, he was a Newton Fellow for post doctoral research at Royal Holloway College, University of London. He has published extensively in reputed academic journals such as Modern Asian Studies and Journal of Islamic Studies. He is the author of Questioning the Authority of the Past: The Ahl al-Qur’an Movements in the Punjab (Karachi: Oxford University Press, 2011). His second monograph, The Ahmadis and the Politics of Religious Exclusion in Pakistan (London: Anthem Press, 2014), was the recipient of Karachi Literature Festival (KLF) Peace Prize in 2015. Dr. Qasmi has co-edited several edited volumes as well, which include Revisioning Iqbal as a Poet and Muslim Political Thinker (Heidelberg: Draupadi, 2010), The Shi‘a in Modern South Asia: Religion, History and Politics (New Delhi: Cambridge University Press, 2015) and Muslims against the Muslim League: Critiques of the Ideas of Pakistan (New Delhi: Cambridge University Press, 2017).
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Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
3:00 Muslims Against the Muslim League
6:20 The model of the nation state
10:30 How was Pakistan imagined?
13:40 Pakistan: Provinces or sovereign states?
14:00 Pakistan Resolution
17:00 Two State Theory
20:30 Anti-Democratic Traditions
25:00 UP kay laundo kee saazish
33:10 Was Muslim League an elite movement?
35:00 Separate Electorates
36:30 Punjabi identity and Inferiority Complex
50:00 Dividing Provinces during Partition
58:00 Quaid-e-Azam's 11th August Speech
1:01:00 Was Quaid-e-Azam sidelined?
1:06:30 Liaquat Ali Khan
1:08:30 1953 Anti-Ahmadi riots
1:20:00 Ahmadi conspiracy theories
1:25:00 Allama Iqbal's Conspiracy Theory
1:26:40 The Ahmadi Question
1:36:00 Bhutto and Ahmadis
1:40:00 Ahmadis and the law
1:54:00 History of Election rigging
2:01:30 Ayub Khan - Розваги
We all know what happened to jogindarnath Mondal, within 6 months during the lifetime of jinnah he came back to kolkata.
Thanks for stating that in comment 👍
Raising the Ahmadi question at such long length is admirable. Only TPE could’ve dared to talk about us. We largely live outside the “Pakistan Experience” but this podcast was great to hear. Thank you TPE!
Where do you live Wasif?
@@george4vIogging don't ask this
True!
tell me your address, I just wanna talk
Shehzaad you are doing a great service to the forever students of history like me. Though I am a doctor by profession but history is my other love. I listen to your podcasts regularly and many of my questions have been answered. Keep up your good work. They will be a treasure for posterity.
By speaking lies about Jogendranath Mondal.
Majority community in India just does not emphasize religion as much. That is why India has managed to stay secular. Reverse is true for Pakistan.
Muslim appeasement is not secularism.
Actually it is the Bhaiyya settlers, both Hindu and Muslim, who emphasise religious and caste identities the most while their own places of origin have worse development standards than even Pakistan.
what? are u joking
@@vinsin328 exactly. appeasement of any religion in modern times should be condemned
That's a lie. Just like the fake secularism. Hindus are generally religiously extremist.
Very knowledgeable Historian of Indian subcontinent, salute from Lucknow India🇮🇳🙏
Great show 🍁
Sikhs has historical difference between Muslims, most of our books has so much against all mugals.
Sikhs and Hindus r ideological close as philosophy of Karama , dharam, arth, kaam, mokesh, incarnation, five elements and idea of nirgun God and so on..... that's why in Nankana Sahib or other Gurdwaras has huge numbers of Hindus pilgrimage , Hindus do Sikhs rituals. Sikhs has big numbers of mixed families with Hindus (arrange marriages).
So even if Muslim League condemned Rawalpindi rites still hard for Sikhs to choose Islamic Pakistan over India.
This point is crucial and many Pakistanis seem not to get it. I think a part of the reason for this is their state propaganda against the other, Hindu India. In doing so they forget that Sikhism was born of the same philosophical and cultural ethos. Sikhism, Buddhism and Jainism (among other smaller faiths and tribal religions) are considered part of the Indic ethos. In fact Indian Hindu nationalists have a problem with the other, Muslims, as they are seen as foreign and the other. Christians too but they’re too small in number to matter ....
MAIN PROBLEM WITH THE MUSLIMS AROUND THE GLOBE IS THAT THEIR HISTORY STARTS JUST FROM THE ADVENT OF ISLAM AND THEY DISOWN THEIR HISTORY AND CULTURE PRIOR TO THAT PERIOD , BUT IT IS NOT SO WITH THE SIKHS, JAINS,BUDDHISTS AND CHRISTIANS .
For all those who do not know.
Hindus and Sikhs have a ‘roti aur beti’ ka rishta.
Try and understand what this means.
Sikhs do not have this closeness with Muslims although a few ISI influenced Khalistanis and Pee’stanis like to claim a religious affinity.
I'm British sikh and we were never close to Muslims and never will be. Hindu and Sikhs are brothers.
@@agrippa-theskeptic9346you missed the point. They wanted more land so talking of keeping Sikhs with them. To keep all punbjab. No love of Sikhism or Sikhs. Same happening in kashmir. They dont care for sufi kashmiris, they killed Sikhs there. They are discussing punjab got divided . Hyoicrites. They are regretting that. They partitioned kashmir by their attack. They dont care
Sitting there in Pakistan telling with total frankness that Congress exerted pressure on the colonial regime and Muslim League being loyal to the whites demands real courage.
I am addicted to this channel now. Brilliant, independent and critical self-assessment. Wish more channels present their content with this clarity. I have been watching all content on your channel non-stop for the past 9 days (and clearly I am late to the party !) . More power to you Shehzaad
Took 4 days to listen ( with breaks) - Dr sb is quiet a personality and Shehzad’s preparedness to structure the conversation was very enjoyable. Great job!
32:30
Nawab Mohammad Kasuri father of Ahmad Raza Kasuri was feudal and magistrate in British India and loyal to the British administrator officer.
He was one of the person who share info about bhagat singh to police and involved to arrest.
It is a strange coincidence that Nawab Mohammad Kasuri was the magistrate who signed the death warrant for Bhagat Singh, after several other magistrates refused to do so because of the freedom fighter’s popularity
The magistrate who refused to sign death sentence was Justice Agha Haider, he belonged to Saharanpur, India.
Mashallah! Only 25 minutes into the episode and can see that this is for keeps! Thanks for bringing such guests and a wonderful interview style 🙏🙏
I had saved this video on my phone so that I could listen to it comfortably when I was free. And what a treat! Such a knowledgeable person. Thankyou so much Shahzad, for bringing him on the podcast.
Very beautifully well articulated program. Really enjoying as it is still running. Respect and regards from my end.
Thank you Shehzad for helping us understand the history in such an honest enlightened way - I wished our curriculum was based on such rich discussion like yours!
I’m pretty sure you haven't heard this before, but your podcasts bring me a sense of peace-they're incredibly therapeutic and help me cope with Stress. Thank you, Shehzad, and thank you, TPE, for being there.🙌
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Yr it’s just been 40 minutes into the podcast.... and speaker seems to be so well read and has so much knowledge about pre partitioned India and its culture....
What well read ? Lies about J N Mandal .
What an informative programme.. raising questions courageously! And your guest has such a calm and collected personality that what he says is believable because he gives references all along. A very learned man indeed!
@@ThePakistanExperience thanks Shehzad beta. Dil ko thandak mili.
Shehzad Saheb,
As a student of history and an author (a very little one) I greatly appreciate your efforts in bringing out and sharing peoples history.
Jazakallah!
Awesome. Great person to listen to. Going to buy his books. 👏🏽. Thanks for bringing him to attention. Had read some of his articles in some of your newspapers but truly enjoyed him speak. Please consider having him as a monthly session on a single topic. So we can get to hear his thoughts regularly. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🇮🇳
There is much better fictional material available in the market
Tremendous job! Always find answers or leads to more refined questions. Keep spreading the sense of awareness. Of course, leads to more anxiety but at least far better than Pak studies fiction.
Another awesome podcast, Shehzad. You're on fire lately! Keep it up! 👍
@@ThePakistanExperience I wish the conference wasn't cancelled. You guys got massive stones!
On the first day of July 1921, the University of Dhaka opened. Thank you very much!
Wow didn't even realise that this was 2 hours long 😁. Awesome podcast ...have become a fan of the channel ... Love and best wishes from India👍
This is my 3rd listening to this amazing conversation. So proud of brave Pakistanis who can speak truth to power!
Another podcast with Qasmi sahab coming soon
Absolute spot on questions. Great content.
Lahor is big center of independent movement.
-Lala lajpat rai (Lahor) was one of the big leader of Panjab
Comprehensive unpacking of History.. thank you very much.. I am run short of words to appreciate your works..
Really enjoyed the conversation.
I'm learning a lot about Pakistan, it's history and politics from this channel. Keep up the good work. Love from India.
Great informative talk as always. Very courageous questions about jammat Ahmadiya, today's pakistan it is not easy to speak about minorities. Well done respect from Germany
Great program, Shahzad! Hair looking fantabulous too;-)! Thank you Qasmi sahb for sharing.
Brilliant show… I have seen a few and have subscribed now…
Surprised and amused to see such a man who was a comedian and later became an intellectual who continuously engages with the brains, and the most astounding fact is that he belongs to Shikarpur. Love you Shehzad.
Shehzad, request you to interview Tarek Fatah Sahab. Your intelligence will bring out the best from Tarak sahab
Today you act as a hardcore and fearless interviewer your questions were great and he answered them with full loyalty you guys were on another level bro great.
Brilliant interview keep it going.
Very good show.MY REGARDS TO BOTH OF U. KEEP IT UP.
2:06:50 Unfortunately, the conference that Professor Qasmi is mentioning here has been cancelled.
Awesome....another great podcast...love from Jaipur, Rajasthan, India!!!
One of the great podcast
Very good questions you asked
Specialy about the mirza ghulam ahamd ( one of the hard question,which consider in pakistan)
You are great shezad bhai ❤️❤️
Woahh! What an amazing eye-opening podcast!! 🙌
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I am from india.i don't think that nehru massacre anyone. He was big fan of many Soviet policies. Like land reform,5year plan
May bhi wohi soch raha tha😂 Nehru ne kaunsa massacre kardiya
Absolutely amazing analysis Thank you
Excellent Conversation 👍
Reduction in hindu population in Pakistan
And increase in Muslim population in india shows a lot about wat people of Pakistan want
-proud indian muslim
Lol in 1941 hindus were 15 % but in 1947 partition happened so their population decrease and in 1951 their population was 1.5% and is still same so from 1951 their population is stable and in 1951 10 % muslims in india now 14 % 4 % inc and as muslim fertility rate in india is decreasing now their population will not grow much
Excellent program.......❤️❤️❤️
Dear Shehzad, can you please invite Dr Asim Sajjad to discuss about future of Pakistan ?
Excellent show, thoroughly enjoyed the history lesson, need some truth about 23rd March, the lies and misconceptions we all had to learned in distorted history in schools.
hassan nisar fan here, loved the references to him.
One request please do more episodes on specific sub topics in more detail
"nazuk mourh is a roundabout " very well said
This topic needs courage to be raised!!! Keep it up!!!
With this channel I have hit the ackpot. So many people who have knowledge to be a part of such a meaningful conversion. ✨️
Hey Shahzad! What is you thought on bringing Arieb Azhar to the podcast? It'd be stimulating. The man is cool.
There is something called human rights. Does the state of🇵🇰 Pakistan recognizes the human rights.
Bhai do some program on hindu community situation in Pakistan .
Pl note in India we had President and vice presidents who were Muslims .We did not identify them with religion they were great people and rose to the highest post thru the trust of the people.
Thank you so much.
Punjabi hindu and sikh lost land business in pakistan where they had work hard
would love to see Ramchandra Guha on the show.
Thank you Shehzad.
Hi there, with your recent interviews with Dr Ishtiaq and other interviewees , are you trying to prove that the partition was a disaster and should have never happened....Love your podcasts....
Hope you will invite some Indian guest to the podcast as well.
@@ThePakistanExperience she
@Ritesh Arora A grade hindutva shill that guy is.
I think it might not be quite accurate to argue for ML popularity based on the elections of 1940s because it wasn't really based widespread franchise.
What do you meant it was not widespread? It was spread throughout the India, what else do you want?
Lol in 1946 elections only 3 percent of total population voted becuz of the restrictions posed by british muslims were 25 percent at that time also in that 3 % all communities voted so in that 3 % may be 1 % vote would be of muslims but they were 25 %
Good ! keep it up !!! In India , history is taught differently !
wow, great sir jee
Love from India
And dude it is so sad that LUMS conference was cancelled. 😒
Please invite abhinav prakash and discuss with him about partition.
Savarkar was an insignificant personality in India before independence and after independence till 2014.
Man Pakistani intellects debating was Pakistan even right. Me a Kashmiri living under India imaging these people don't deserve this. Bhai Ghar ki murgi daal barabar.Freedom is a precious entity, it can only be understood by people who have fought/fighting for it.
بہت عمد ہ گفتگو
BEST PODCAST EVER!!!
Waiting for podcast on politicians and their affairs with GHQ
Great Show, Very informative. Your guest didn't agree with the theory that the muslim feudal of this area supported Pakistan to get away from land reforms. I strongly believe in that theory. Muslim League didn't have grass root presence in these areas. The only place it was able to form a govt was Bengal. It was only after the tour from Quaid e Azam before the referendum that this area voted for Pakistan. Quaid e Azam was able to convince the feudal that it's in their interest to have a separate state. After all most of the the leadership of Muslim league was feudal.
Many mistakes. 1) caste system introduced by British Empire after 1850's. 2) There is no book called Manusmriti. 3) Dharmasastra and Dharmasmriti has no mention of Dalits. 4) Buddhism was not a movement against caste system as there was no caste system at that time.
Mr. Qasmi & Mr. Shehzad - Go to the the Archived newspapers of those days like the Indian Express published from Madras (Chennai) where 1940 Lahore resolution called for UNITS and not UNIT .news.google.com/newspapers?nid=P9oYG7HA76QC&dat=19400325&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
Y every pakistani historian or a political analyst or a news reporter think dalits were oppressed from 5000 yrs by brahmans
Shehzad, your podcast has been the find if the year for me. I found it through Manu pillai, am also from kerala. This discussion was breathtakingly honest and fair and sad. Love
Sir,even after 70 years of its birth,a nation is still searching reasons for its existence ! Quite a dilemma !
You deserve 1 M subs , please do a program on how it was THE biggest folly of our govt to get involved with afghan bandits in the 1980s. Also the shia experience was a good program but you need to explore why antisentiment was most organized in Jhang, the class element in the sectarian violence is understated.Thank you so much , you are the young and handsome "Larry King" of youtube
The LUMS conference got cancelled after all :(
amazing episode Shehzaad bhai, one of the most thought provoking. lekin bhai itni heavy duty urdu sunker to hum border paar walle gareeb google translate ke chakkar kaat rahe hai😂😂
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Bhai you should have english subtitles also. It is so hard to understand urdu.
The Ahmadi issue is not talked about much. The analogy of Pakistan compared with Nazi Germany was pretty accurate.
Even now i don't know where Hinduism end and Sikhism began .
Back then sikh and hindi community was so nit together.
As sikh pre- 1980 sikh and hindu traditional was very close .
Harimandir sahib guruduwara .
Hari and mandir
Lol…… u just need to research a bit more…. It isnt hard to find that.
Stop calling yourself a Hindu first….. you should be calling yourself a Sanatani at least
27:00 Not only could Pakistanis and Indians freely cross borders, without visas, until 1965, they could travel to Britain without visas. As an anecdote, my father’s classmate in Lahore, a resident in a village near Buxar (by the UP-Bihar border), enrolled in Dakha in college, then later transferred to Lahore, and travelled to India and East Pakistan during holidays, without any travel documents during the 1950’s. Incidentally, all travel in the subcontinent was by train.
Ek hi saans main ye Bolna ki 1000 saal ki hukumat on Hindus aur we are minorities, shows how an oppressor is scared of his own karma
Please invite Dr Istiaq Ahmed again in your progaramme
what was Fatima Jinnah called ? please Bhaiya tell us
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We read Baba Bulle Shah, Baba Farid, Shah Husain and Guru Nanak ji in matriculation years. Indian ( Punjab )
In all dicsourses on role of the then North-Western Muslims there is this dilebrate attempt to ignore the role of Hazrat Bacha Khan and his Khudai Khidmatgar Tehreek
He did not want Pakistan. When the Congress agreed to partition he told them they had left him to the wolves.
Noice
European Idea of state: One Religion. One Language. One Country.
bachodiyan ka next part kab aae ga shehzad bro?
Before partition muslim percent in Punjab was 57 not 51.
Thank god, that bengal and punjab were divided otherwise bengali hindu and punjabi Sikhs and hindu would have been massacred in jihadi Pakistan.
It's never said in Ahmadiyya litterateur that non-Ahmadi muslims are nonmuslims or outside the pale of Islam. Ahmadis simply believe that those who reject and deny the much awaited Messiah (i,e do Kouffre کفر of Messiah) aren't true muslims coz they reject a great reformer whose advent was fortold by the Prophet of Islam PBUH himself. Everyone who recites Kalima Shahada is by definition a Muslim and no one can deny him this right.
Shehzad u r now at the position to write a book...juat write down... I will must read🙋