Fuel hauler here testing these for my company. Turtle mode is amazing when maneuvering in gas stations. No lurching, stops on a dime without hard braking. I also like that, unlike my Pete after i load, i can leave the loading bay immediately. No more waiting to build up air.
Bruce, i am in jamaica. My first encounter with Scania was about 20 years ago, where I drove a dump truck 2× 4 it was crazy powerful. I took 30 tones of lime stone tru rough torain for about 180 miles, and it runs great for years. we did up to a million miles on that truck it had a 10-speed gear box.
God yes North America needs this shake up with Scania engines in N. American made trucks. Id like to see more Scandinavia & European trucks in the states. We've got a huge cabover crowd here, & no new cabovers anywhere to buy. Even though KW majes a great 1 down under & still wont bring it home.
This engine is the completely new "DW" engine, "Scania Super", which comes with a single cylinder head, double camshaft, and a very high compression ratio in the cylinders (23:1), higher than Volvo, Mercedes (Detroit Diesel), Iveco, and DAF (Paccar). Its emissions level is Euro 6. Here in Brazil, the fuel economy it has shown is truly impressive, on average 20% more than the competition, without losing in torque and average speed performance. Here in Brazil, they are being offered in powers of 420, 460, 500, and 560 hp. Combined with the new Opticruise G25 gearboxes (for engines up to 2500 Nm of torque) and G33 (up to 3300 Nm of torque), which are lighter, more robust, and feature lay shaft brake technology, which means that gear changes are carried out in 0.4 seconds. It was expected that due to the purchase of Navistar by the Traton Group (which already owns truck brands such as Scania, MAN, and Volkswagen Caminhões), it would lead to the sharing of components between the brands. Believe me, you will gain a lot with the addition of the Scania powertrain there in America.
They'll be made for US market cheap nothing in common with those for Europe but that will lower the the Scania brand unless they use another brand but will be still a shame to built vehicles for US market!
Do you guys down in Brazil still run with the back end of your trailers or straight trucks jacked up crazy high? I saw a video last year explaining that was done to try to stop highway gangs from robbing trucks as they're going down the road in Brazil.
@@corm7538 Yes, this is a retarded fad here, not everyone likes it, just like Squatted trucks in the USA. And here, raising the rear has nothing to do with preventing cargo theft, of course it helps, but they do it just for style, and make up various excuses like saying it helps with cornering stability, which is comical since the center of gravity is higher. This fashion for raising the rear is forbidden here, but it's difficult to enforce
Fuel hauler here. Super singles on fuel trucks are a recipe for disaster. I had a coworker at a previous company blow a drive tire out heading around a curve on I-40 between Knoxville and Crossville and he almost rolled his truck. They're also terrible for traction in the wet and snow. I think they do it for fuel savings or something of the sort, but they are a safety hazard when they blow out, unlike normal duals.
He’s a far better recipe for modern trucking , forget double drive have doubles on the drive axle and a rear axle on super singles that’s both steering and lifting when empty or running light..The traction in snow with a load on is at minimum equal to a double drive as long as the axle can transfer the weight to the drive axle …Double drive are not fit for purpose for normal highway use , I can understand in some quarries or landfill sites but they are not a good use of resources…Europeans are light years ahead of the US in transportation including railroad , double drives are not used on European highways unless heavy haulage purposes…
Saving €€ on tires this is USA no money you have to starve every eurodolar keep staying hungry you cant afford wishes but reality! Rich colonian Europe won't always bail feed and sponsor USA especially for free you gotta work for us to farm for us to give us oil gas gold potatoes corn!
As a Scania man.. I can hear the 12V system... No but jokes aside, this truck has basically been in Sweden and touched by Scania. Probably getting better with time too. And for those that dont know. Traton is the name Volkswagen calls its heavy vehicles brands. Its also its separate company under VW lead. The CEO of Traton is however at this moment, also the CEO of Scania. This effectivly means that Scania is heading Traton as of now.
@DannyDraper-g6d Well. If we are correcting people. Traton owns MAN, Scania, International and Volkswagen Truck and Bus. Still controlled by the truck companies together. Or rather... MAN and Scania have a bigger say...
I work for as a mechanic for a company that sells Wirtgen road building products. One of their lines of equipment is the Kleeman brand of rock crushers. They all run Scania engines here in the U.S. and they have been absolute beasts!
When I was a tech for the local dealer, Doosan (now Develon) at one point used Scanias for their larger wheel loaders & excavators and both ADT models. We were also a Wirtgen dealer before Nortrax stole the dealership title. But we didn't see too many of them because sales didn't push the product like they could have. They seemed like they were more focused on selling mills and pavers than anything. Central maine is also an area where not a ton of construction happens compared to other states.
I've never heard of kleeman for crushers. Are they good? My dads gotten my brother and into it since he's done it all his life here I idaho. I'm familiar with cedar rapids and jci
You are right Bruce here is from Wikipedia. Traton SE, known as the Traton Group (formerly Volkswagen Truck & Bus AG), is a subsidiary of the Volkswagen Group and one of the world's largest commercial vehicle manufacturers, with its MAN, Scania, Navistar, and Volkswagen Caminhões e Ônibus brands
Hi Bruce, I love anything Scannia I'm 78 now but I know Scannia since I was a young boy, in Argentina and Brazil we use Scannia like American use Chevy and Ford. Scannia is une of the most powerful trucks in the world .
Yup, Volkswagen bought International Harvester only a few years ago, but they’ve owned Scania since the first decade of the millennium (invested in 2000, gained majority in 2008). Traton is just a fairly recent rebranding of VW’s truck & bus division, and Traton Group remains a wholly owned subsidiary of VAG.
My work truck is a '23 LT daycab with a Cummins and i believe Eaton 12 speed auto. Thing pulls pretty dang good. Ive become a big International fan with this truck
I drove that red truck for a week hauling gas and hated it because of the computer programing was way off on the shifting and engine brake. Then I hauled gas with the white cab S13 for week and liked the truck, the Scania had excellent power, 14 speed automatic transmission worked excellent and the engine brake worked like it is supposed too. I will say the 14 speed automatic is the best automatic I've ever driven. Both trucks used way more DEF than my A26. The red truck needs its computer programmed like the white truck and it will be a good truck. I did notice the red truck's engine head gasket seeping antifreeze. Overall, the lightweight Scania motor and the 14 speed automatic is a great combo for fuel hauling. FYI- The super single rear tires are to save a few pounds for hauling more fuel.
I drive this truck everyday. I have noticed several problems this truck is not made for tall people. the brake pedal is too high than the gas pedal, you always have your legs bent at 90 degrees the seat does not tilt back. the brake pedal vibrates and makes noise when the road is bad. the engine is amazing and the transmission works very well and the fuel economy is very good the best of all the trucks I have owned. truck international daycab 2024 S13 T14
competition is good. options are good. automatic is good; some won't ever like it, that's okay too, maybe the European-style synchronized manual transmissions will grow on them. great video, thanks.
Wow. I never ever thought I'd be watching sort-of-review of International. However... Scania. *anything* Scania is deep into my heart. I work at a warehouse and I love it when one of the heavy hauler companies use V8 Scanias and at least couple of 'em semis are actually straight pipe V8's. The sound. I mean is there anything more beautiful than Scania V8? i6 is not bad, but the V8 has something so special soundwise. Love 'em. Oh, and Scania brought me to the channel (the vid at Ylivoimala was the first I watched I think) and I like it. A lot.
The international HX620 is actually a pretty nice truck, my cousin purchased one brand new with an x15 and it was considerably cheaper than anything else on the market and I had the opportunity to drive it and I was actually impressed by it.
A couple of months back i did actualy see a international truck when i came thru södertalje on the highway right next to the scania hq on a run from stockholm to copenhagen
@deutschchad1399 That's because European trucks are limited to 56mph or Supermarkets fleets in UK limit to 50mph which adds 10% more fuel savings. US mpg won't be as good without limiters.
9 mpg is a tad pessimistic unless you're talking UK mpg not US mpg (I absolutely hate British units just for how confusing they are). The fuel economy is going to be a lot worse in the US regardless because of the longer trailers and how little they extend past the kingpin (bad for aerodynamics) coupled with the higher speed limits. You could argue the long flat roads would make it better but it's still going to suck compared to what you get in Europe.
I work for Penske moving trucks to customers and my favorite truck is the new international,very quite,love the tranny too. We don’t have any of the new models yet
The super singles are for weight savings for operations that rate of pay is based on payload. Same for buckets and dump trucks. Bulk commodities hauling
My only gripe as a heavy diesel mechanic would be that there are no rear engine mounts. So when you need to pull the trans you have to support the rear of the engine like on most mack trucks. But I do like the non-us scania enginges/trucks alot.
You mentioned how quite she idles. I believe MANN Trucks have an automatic 2/4/6 idle which SCANIA would also have. It turns off the injectors of 2, or 4 cylinders depending on your idling needs. Idle to 600 is 2 cylinders. 600 to 1,000 is 4, and so on.
A little bit pf a funny circle is that in the 70's International Harvester supplied another Swedish Company with the Whole Drivetrain aka Enginen, Gearbox and Rear Axle. this was Volvo BM Tractors. The Model was the Volvo BM 500 which later became the Volvo BM 2200. 2204.2250 and 2254. the parts came from the IH 475. The rest was made by Volvo BM and the Cab was freefloating and quite ergonomic for its age. But Volvo did two mistakes. 1st was the brakes which was also the same as the IH with even more issues than IH had with Air coming into the system. This was fixed with a modification that put the Brakefluid comparment in the cab next to the steeringwheel and much higher than it was before. This mean the air went into the bottle instead of staying in the wetbrakes in the trumpets. 2nd. IH 454,474,475,574 and 674 all shared the same gearbox with two gearshifting lewers on the left of the driver. This was a good system with good ergonomics, especially compared to Massey Ferguson's 100 series. and others who all had the gearshifter in the middle of the floor. Volvo in all their wisdom and the fact that their cab was freefloating decided to redesign the IH shifter system. To this day i have never heard anyone have even one decent word about their redesign. It basically locks itself if you do not shift with the precision of a surgeon holding a newborn infant. now try to do that whilst you are tilling the earth at over 6 MPH and a plowed fiarld. Best regards. P.S: I would highly recommend you to Visit the Munktell Museum in Eskilstuna if you want to see old large vehicles. Or Volvo Museum in Gothenburg and SAAB Museum in Trollhättan both on Sweden westcoast about an hour on the road between eachother and filled with Engineering innovation. There is also SAAB Aerospace Museum in Linköping on Swedens eastcoast south of Stockholm. SAAB did afterall start with planes before cars and have been a world leader up there with U.S Giants at the pinnacle of technological advancements since the 40's. As all roads and most bridges and tunnels are free in Sweden it is easy to drive. or just take the Iconic X2000 train and enjoy the view as the Railroad is quite decent in Sweden. Again best ergards.
Why would anyone want to ride onto of the front axel? Been there done that. Longer wheel base better ride that’s called basic geometry. Cabovers good for when one has big limits on LOA. Like where those cab overs are needed
I was thinking the same thing when he was showing what was under the cab and how quiet it was and stuff it would be so cool to have it on it like a 60s model truck,,
Actually, this is not a 'pure' Scania engine. The official name is the Traton Common Base Engine (CBE). It is true that the first steps in the design of the engine were made by Scania, but later on MAN also got involved. So it is a joined development between Scania and MAN. You may know MAN has an enormous experience in diesel engine design, truck engines are just a part of their diesel engine portfolio. The also produce huge marine diesel engines for instance. This 13 litre engine will be produced locally all over the world, in different versions. It will be used by Scania, MAN, Volkswagen, and Navistar.
Today these are different companys, MAN Truck&Bus belongs to Traton, the marineengines are from MAN energy solutions which belongs to VW till they find the right buyer.
As far as MAN Marine engines go they had to buy danish Marine Engine company B&W (Burmeister & Wain) since they were unable to match the economy in these engines. Scania is by far the leader in technology here, Scania is considered to be the "crown jewel" in the Traton Group...
@@ingo_8628 So at the moment these are still two different business units of the same MAN company. The business unit that builds the truck and bus engines has this on its website: “Trend-setting products in excellent quality: MAN Engines is the partner for efficient diesel and gas engines in the power range from 37 kW to 1.618 kW (50 HP to 2,200 HP) as well as for axles and transfer cases. We offer decades of industry experience and know-how for the most diverse installation situations and load profiles.” I’m sure you will agree with me that 2200 HP engines are not used in trucks. So even though the very big marine engines are made by another business unit, this business unit also builds much more than just truck engines.
I'm not a scania guy or an international guy by any means, but I've been very fascinated about the s13 since international announced this setup. I personally think it'll bring international back on the map even though I'll never own one lol!
The main advantage to the "super singles" is weight savings. Fuel haulers are running at max gross as much as possible and every extra pound off the truck/trailer is more gallons hauled.
Hey guys, they run the super singles on the trucks and trailers to offset the weight of the emission systems on the newer trucks so we can haul more fuel. They allow us to legally carry 200-300 more gallons per load depending on the product we are carrying. They’re honestly horrible to drive on and we wish they’d be outlawed. They’re dangerous in heavy rain and in the snow. We had several trucks get stuck during the snow we got here in Knoxville last winter.
Super Singles are great WHEN they work, They increase fuel efficiency , and increase load capacity, BUT if you blow one you can lose a days time getting a new tire.....when rolling eight singles in the rear, you at least stand a chance of getting to a terminal before having to fix a tire.
Super singles bring two benefits, one being significantly reduced unladen weight and due to reduced footprint on the ground less rolling resistance therefore better fuel usage. There are negatives, you take your choice. Fuel hauling weight really matters.
The old western stars had the motor mounts on the bell housing where most trucks put them on the flywheel housing. So to pull the trans you had to block up the back of the engine. It was a annoying design
Super single tires are considered to be weight saving, 1 wheel, 1 tire X 4 vs 8 wheels, 8 tires. Fuel hauling requires as much weight saving to be able to haul more gallons. Fuel is sold by the gallon, and more gallons delivered equals more products sold. Most drivers don't like super single tires due to the feel of instability while driving. Most trucks on the road have dual wheels. The roads in the US of A are worn by dual tires, so using a single tire on a road that's worn by dually will cause the truck to wander or track poorly. And the worst feeling of a tanker yanker is a wandering truck with fuel surging. It sorta feels like driving on wet or slick roads around corners, making for a butt puckering tense day for sure. Companies like it, drivers don't really care for them! Hope this helps.
5:16 The 540 engine is the one with six cylinders. S or R are the dimensions of the cabs... So, the six-cylinder ones are the following: 370, 410, 450, 500 and 540. And the V8 ones are 530, 590, 660 and 770.
@@udififkfkfck Yes, but the inline 6 have 12 liters and the V8 16 liters. The V8 ones have more torque at low rpm, and I think the power is limited by the software. I drove both and I can say that the V8 is clearly superior.
How USA will afford it how you gonna pay us with what how you gonna serve Scania what's your diesel fuel in USA? If was that easy Deimler would've sale Mercedes there not Frighteningliner & Detroit also Volvo would've use its Euro engines. Look at Boeing cheap but garbage!
The rear motor mount being on the transmission is kind of a pain to deal with when removing the transmission since you have to support the rear of the engine. It also uses studs and bolts to mount the engine and trans together rather than bolts like on everything else I've worked on.
Not sure how new OTR diesel engines are able to move back away from EGR and DPF these days, but it's nice to see it. I've generally been of the opinion that diesel is dead in passenger cars and replaceable in light trucks, but if the new technology they use to get around them can be downsized, then it may have a second lease on life after all.
From the research I did it's not only a Scania engine but also from MAN trucks which is also owned by Volkswagen group and even more is related to the big tractor motor.
Scania trucks in the UK/EU are renowned for longeveity and fuel economy. Personally I would not want supersingles on the drive axle for any loads. We only have them on the trailor.
You notice quickly that almost all switches and things are from the VW parts bin. Just like Scania and MAN have the heater, lights and window controls from a Golf 😃
Now the international is part of the VW family. I think they get a little better budget for R&D. Scania has always had a decent engine line I think. The problem with the MAN engines from VW Traton was they are more suitable for industrial off road side than using it as the A26. International has finally come full circle I think. I can remember about 15 years ago when they were working on a deal with cat to use the c15 as the basis of the international Big block program.
You wouldn't have to smuggle it in if it was fitted by an International Dealer (HINT!) as the crash protection would exceed US crash protection regulations. Nice thought though mate!
U forgot the engine brake on all the time... When accel pedal is pushed goes to auto off, but when changing gears even if pedal to the metal, it will momentarily activate, seen by small green light on dashb with infinity sign(maybe it has redarder?). Must rafine your driving skills 😂
21:15 The block off plate you mention is not where the retarder mounts on the G33 gearbox. The plate is, as you said, where the gearbox PTO's come off it (if it had been equipped with it). The retarder mounts to the other side of the transmission and the rearmost cast is different.
This is what BING's Chat AI said about why fuel tanker trucks often use super single tires instead of dual rear tires, the reasons are: Weight Reduction: Super single tires are lighter than dual tire setups, which helps reduce the overall weight of the vehicle. This allows for a higher payload capacity. Improved Fuel Efficiency: The reduced weight and lower rolling resistance of super single tires contribute to better fuel efficiency. Maintenance: Super single tires simplify maintenance by eliminating the need to monitor and maintain pressure in two tires per axle. This also reduces the complexity of tire pressure monitoring systems. Increased Load Capacity: Super single tires have a larger contact patch with the road, which can increase the load capacity of the vehicle. Better Handling: These tires often provide better handling and stability, which is crucial for vehicles carrying hazardous materials like fuel. IMO super single tires may be better all around the only drawback I could see is if you have a tire blow you couldn't limp the truck to a shop to get the tire fixed.
This could be the future of drivetrains in fire apparatus. The L9 and X12 are going away leaving the X15 or new X10 for Cummins. Detroit and Paccaar are the only other options. This seems like a good alternative.
@@danielduran7867 yes the X10 will replace all but has some crazy charging requirements so we are going to stay away from them as long as we can. We will spec the X15s as long as we can.
I helped changed of the first flywheel housings in that engine in the us. Yes, that plate is a pto mounting plate. There is also an option to run a pto off the back of the rear gear train. Very interesting stuff.
Actually, the peddle coming out the top is better than out the floor! You have better control of peddle since you're able to rest your heel on the floor and use the front of your foot to accelerate! This makes a big difference in a manual, especially when you're short like me. The way you place your foot on the peddle affects how you shift gears big time, but you taller folks probably wouldn't know that! With the floor peddles when you hit the bottom of the peddle it's not fully engaging or vice versa, and you'll see the difference in shifting gears that way vs. placing your foot completely on the peddle. You'll notice that the gear will hang up on you a lot with your foot at the bottom of the peddle vs. the top where it belongs, lol! Also your foot will be well rested with the peddles that come from the top and you reduce the risk of depressing the peddle too much or too lightly. Depressing the floor peddle from the bottom, you'll notice that you're not even fully depressing it, lol! These are all short man problemsn t the end of the day, bcuz short men can't reach the peddle the same as you taller guys, lmao!
Ive always been a huge international fan and ive owned alot of international trucks mostly in the medium duty department of international trucks because all of my towtrucks have been international both my rollback and wreckers have been international i wont buy anything else when it comes down to the medium duty trucks. But in the semi department i have international trucks but when it comes to semi trucks i like running my peterbuilts! But this new international is pretty cool it definitely has my attention being that it of course is a international and i am excited to see how that new selection of engine does because ive never been a European truck fan at all i think that they look funny but i love the sound of their engines in the Scania trucks so this is pretty neat! I do hope that they give you a manual trans option in these new setups because i dont want any automatic trucks.
The majority of Europeans don't want to hear for USA & US Bums let alone to get or give something to them no trade no business no military bases must be allowed between us Europe is rich high tech the future is Russia & China.
How wide are those tyres? "We" tried those double singles some years ago, but they didn't catch on. The air pressure must be just right to get the whole tread on the road and not get an under or over pressure wear pattern.
Wait until you put a 16ltr V8 Scania 730hp with 18spd in one of your internationals here in Australia the big Scania beat everything will be a very interesting truck a few guys over here have repowerd American trucks with Scania V8 over here awesome bit of gear
That same engine and transmission is also used in MAN trucks. The rear gear train is because in Scania and MAN trucks they're all cabovers. Hopefully the lack of EGR will help the reliability. In europe they're mainly running in MAN trucks since outside of Sweden you're going to see about 5 MAN trucks for every Scania. And in Sweden you're going to see about 3 Volvos for every Scania.
I drive Scania and Volvo between Scotland - Spain, Scania far better going down hill,Volvo you need the 540bhp for the uphill,V8 560 was my favourite! Always on 40tonne,both ways!
It's nice to see Bruce & Edison Motors promoting Scania's in North America & Canada
Fuel hauler here testing these for my company. Turtle mode is amazing when maneuvering in gas stations. No lurching, stops on a dime without hard braking. I also like that, unlike my Pete after i load, i can leave the loading bay immediately. No more waiting to build up air.
Hey mother (chic) trucker here, that’s awesome ! My truck s13 has 45k and everyone laughed at my turtle mode but they don’t get 10 mpg and I do !
Bruce, i am in jamaica. My first encounter with Scania was about 20 years ago, where I drove a dump truck 2× 4 it was crazy powerful. I took 30 tones of lime stone tru rough torain for about 180 miles, and it runs great for years. we did up to a million miles on that truck it had a 10-speed gear box.
So far this engine on Scanias has proven itself. Only issues being some sensors and leakages. I'm a Scania technician btw
MAN, not vabis
Hi, is this S13 engine the same as Scania uses in G410 ?
By the way the G410 was impressive.
Love it
Not sure. Lowest hp s13 I've seen is 460
@@pedgar789 That's right, the 12.7 litre straight six comes from 370 to 560 hp
@@2Sidebars the G410 I rode in, was a Natural gas version, may that explains why is 410 Horse power ?
Thanks for the answer
God yes North America needs this shake up with Scania engines in N. American made trucks. Id like to see more Scandinavia & European trucks in the states. We've got a huge cabover crowd here, & no new cabovers anywhere to buy. Even though KW majes a great 1 down under & still wont bring it home.
This engine is the completely new "DW" engine, "Scania Super", which comes with a single cylinder head, double camshaft, and a very high compression ratio in the cylinders (23:1), higher than Volvo, Mercedes (Detroit Diesel), Iveco, and DAF (Paccar). Its emissions level is Euro 6. Here in Brazil, the fuel economy it has shown is truly impressive, on average 20% more than the competition, without losing in torque and average speed performance. Here in Brazil, they are being offered in powers of 420, 460, 500, and 560 hp. Combined with the new Opticruise G25 gearboxes (for engines up to 2500 Nm of torque) and G33 (up to 3300 Nm of torque), which are lighter, more robust, and feature lay shaft brake technology, which means that gear changes are carried out in 0.4 seconds.
It was expected that due to the purchase of Navistar by the Traton Group (which already owns truck brands such as Scania, MAN, and Volkswagen Caminhões), it would lead to the sharing of components between the brands.
Believe me, you will gain a lot with the addition of the Scania powertrain there in America.
They'll be made for US market cheap nothing in common with those for Europe but that will lower the the Scania brand unless they use another brand but will be still a shame to built vehicles for US market!
Do you guys down in Brazil still run with the back end of your trailers or straight trucks jacked up crazy high? I saw a video last year explaining that was done to try to stop highway gangs from robbing trucks as they're going down the road in Brazil.
@@corm7538 Yes, this is a retarded fad here, not everyone likes it, just like Squatted trucks in the USA. And here, raising the rear has nothing to do with preventing cargo theft, of course it helps, but they do it just for style, and make up various excuses like saying it helps with cornering stability, which is comical since the center of gravity is higher. This fashion for raising the rear is forbidden here, but it's difficult to enforce
Fuel hauler here. Super singles on fuel trucks are a recipe for disaster. I had a coworker at a previous company blow a drive tire out heading around a curve on I-40 between Knoxville and Crossville and he almost rolled his truck. They're also terrible for traction in the wet and snow. I think they do it for fuel savings or something of the sort, but they are a safety hazard when they blow out, unlike normal duals.
Greed, they always drop an axle when one boow out, you stuck & need a rim+ super expensive tire
We cant even turn our grabge truck in the winter the old truck with the pizza cutters has no problems
If you ride Bridgestone super singles on drives your ok. Continental on tandems.
He’s a far better recipe for modern trucking , forget double drive have doubles on the drive axle and a rear axle on super singles that’s both steering and lifting when empty or running light..The traction in snow with a load on is at minimum equal to a double drive as long as the axle can transfer the weight to the drive axle …Double drive are not fit for purpose for normal highway use , I can understand in some quarries or landfill sites but they are not a good use of resources…Europeans are light years ahead of the US in transportation including railroad , double drives are not used on European highways unless heavy haulage purposes…
Saving €€ on tires this is USA no money you have to starve every eurodolar keep staying hungry you cant afford wishes but reality! Rich colonian Europe won't always bail feed and sponsor USA especially for free you gotta work for us to farm for us to give us oil gas gold potatoes corn!
Yo B!
That Scania at about 0:55 were SPOT ON, you’re doing us scandinavians proud!🤘🏼
As a Scania man.. I can hear the 12V system... No but jokes aside, this truck has basically been in Sweden and touched by Scania. Probably getting better with time too.
And for those that dont know. Traton is the name Volkswagen calls its heavy vehicles brands. Its also its separate company under VW lead. The CEO of Traton is however at this moment, also the CEO of Scania. This effectivly means that Scania is heading Traton as of now.
And therefor MAN.
Not quite the whole story.. Tranton owns Navistar, scania, VW, Man & Rio..
@DannyDraper-g6d Well. If we are correcting people. Traton owns MAN, Scania, International and Volkswagen Truck and Bus. Still controlled by the truck companies together. Or rather... MAN and Scania have a bigger say...
I work for as a mechanic for a company that sells Wirtgen road building products. One of their lines of equipment is the Kleeman brand of rock crushers. They all run Scania engines here in the U.S. and they have been absolute beasts!
When I was a tech for the local dealer, Doosan (now Develon) at one point used Scanias for their larger wheel loaders & excavators and both ADT models. We were also a Wirtgen dealer before Nortrax stole the dealership title. But we didn't see too many of them because sales didn't push the product like they could have. They seemed like they were more focused on selling mills and pavers than anything. Central maine is also an area where not a ton of construction happens compared to other states.
I've never heard of kleeman for crushers. Are they good? My dads gotten my brother and into it since he's done it all his life here I idaho. I'm familiar with cedar rapids and jci
You are right Bruce here is from Wikipedia.
Traton SE, known as the Traton Group (formerly Volkswagen Truck & Bus AG), is a subsidiary of the Volkswagen Group and one of the world's largest commercial vehicle manufacturers, with its MAN, Scania, Navistar, and Volkswagen Caminhões e Ônibus brands
And they own the rights to the old Internation Scout.
@@pilhoney10does that mean they'll build a new one
@@nathanhenry9203 Look for Scout Motors
@@nathanhenry9203 They're working it onto an EV platform and under it's own branding since it doesn't quite fit into Volkswagen lineup.
@@nathanhenry9203scout motors has been started as a new company that is remaking an EV scout.
Awesome great technology. This will put International back on the map.
Hi Bruce, I love anything Scannia I'm 78 now but I know Scannia since I was a young boy, in Argentina and Brazil we use Scannia like American use Chevy and Ford.
Scannia is une of the most powerful trucks in the world .
Yup, Volkswagen bought International Harvester only a few years ago, but they’ve owned Scania since the first decade of the millennium (invested in 2000, gained majority in 2008).
Traton is just a fairly recent rebranding of VW’s truck & bus division, and Traton Group remains a wholly owned subsidiary of VAG.
Here in New Zealand my mate who runs a 700 h.p Scania V8 always gut out the muffler. The noise is insane.
My work truck is a '23 LT daycab with a Cummins and i believe Eaton 12 speed auto. Thing pulls pretty dang good. Ive become a big International fan with this truck
Good job Bruce great truck review. Scania trucks is the most reliable engine and fuel efficient in the world. Nice job Navistar
Best driving truck on the road today. I heard a fleet in the east coast is getting over 9 mpg!!!! That is amazing.
@@ginac5545 I’m getting 9 mpg at speeds over 75.
I drove that red truck for a week hauling gas and hated it because of the computer programing was way off on the shifting and engine brake. Then I hauled gas with the white cab S13 for week and liked the truck, the Scania had excellent power, 14 speed automatic transmission worked excellent and the engine brake worked like it is supposed too. I will say the 14 speed automatic is the best automatic I've ever driven. Both trucks used way more DEF than my A26. The red truck needs its computer programmed like the white truck and it will be a good truck. I did notice the red truck's engine head gasket seeping antifreeze. Overall, the lightweight Scania motor and the 14 speed automatic is a great combo for fuel hauling. FYI- The super single rear tires are to save a few pounds for hauling more fuel.
I drive this truck everyday. I have noticed several problems this truck is not made for tall people. the brake pedal is too high than the gas pedal, you always have your legs bent at 90 degrees the seat does not tilt back. the brake pedal vibrates and makes noise when the road is bad. the engine is amazing and the transmission works very well and the fuel economy is very good the best of all the trucks I have owned. truck international daycab 2024 S13 T14
They are pretty sweet for a corn binder. They scoot really good also. Keep up the great work buddy 👍
Very interesting Bruce thank you International for letting us toward your truck Fitzgerald number one keep them coming 2024
competition is good. options are good. automatic is good; some won't ever like it, that's okay too, maybe the European-style synchronized manual transmissions will grow on them. great video, thanks.
Wow. I never ever thought I'd be watching sort-of-review of International. However... Scania.
*anything* Scania is deep into my heart. I work at a warehouse and I love it when one of the heavy hauler companies use V8 Scanias and at least couple of 'em semis are actually straight pipe V8's. The sound. I mean is there anything more beautiful than Scania V8? i6 is not bad, but the V8 has something so special soundwise. Love 'em.
Oh, and Scania brought me to the channel (the vid at Ylivoimala was the first I watched I think) and I like it. A lot.
The international HX620 is actually a pretty nice truck, my cousin purchased one brand new with an x15 and it was considerably cheaper than anything else on the market and I had the opportunity to drive it and I was actually impressed by it.
I love the flat mirrors so you can judge distances.
I hate my "dent mirrors" with a passion!
Sure, you can see more stuff in them, but you have no idea where said stuff are.
A couple of months back i did actualy see a international truck when i came thru södertalje on the highway right next to the scania hq on a run from stockholm to copenhagen
Den påbyggdes av oss, vi monterade RecoDrive på den och sändes tillbaks till USA igen.
@@dannesvanstrom3408 Finns en del provbilar också antagligen.
@@dannesvanstrom3408 i have spotted another 2 identical gray international lt trucks today something to do with you Guys also?
Jag är nyfiken vad är Reco Drive ? @@dannesvanstrom3408
@@dannesvanstrom3408 Det finns bra många fler än du tror i Södertälje...
That engine in Europe is pushing 560 hp, 2065 ft lb of torque and 9 mpg at 90,000 lbs
That’s incredible fuel mileage at that load.
@deutschchad1399 That's because European trucks are limited to 56mph or Supermarkets fleets in UK limit to 50mph which adds 10% more fuel savings. US mpg won't be as good without limiters.
9 mpg is a tad pessimistic unless you're talking UK mpg not US mpg (I absolutely hate British units just for how confusing they are). The fuel economy is going to be a lot worse in the US regardless because of the longer trailers and how little they extend past the kingpin (bad for aerodynamics) coupled with the higher speed limits. You could argue the long flat roads would make it better but it's still going to suck compared to what you get in Europe.
@@checker3694 makes sense
@@checker3694 don't forget that Europe has better fuel than the us.
tip for americans. clutch slave bearing will wear trough the clutch pack. For me its usually been in 800.000-1000000 kilometers idk about miles
500K-600K miles.
I work for Penske moving trucks to customers and my favorite truck is the new international,very quite,love the tranny too.
We don’t have any of the new models yet
Weigh distribution balance at the trailer yoke for more strength with the large one tires instead of two!
1 step to go they should put on a Wabco air system ABS/EBS its on 95% on the europe truck and trailers
And a proper eu night heater
I’d love to see one of those international lonestars souped up and customized! Always thought those looked cool.
well, bruce, the only thing I'm missing on your arm is a V8 logo from Scania.
Probably on his lower back below the belt line
The super singles are for weight savings for operations that rate of pay is based on payload. Same for buckets and dump trucks. Bulk commodities hauling
My only gripe as a heavy diesel mechanic would be that there are no rear engine mounts. So when you need to pull the trans you have to support the rear of the engine like on most mack trucks. But I do like the non-us scania enginges/trucks alot.
You mentioned how quite she idles.
I believe MANN Trucks have an automatic 2/4/6 idle which SCANIA would also have.
It turns off the injectors of 2, or 4 cylinders depending on your idling needs.
Idle to 600 is 2 cylinders.
600 to 1,000 is 4,
and so on.
As long as there is no change in oil flow there is no problem with cutting cylinder firing.
The engine is identical regardless of whether it's in a MAN or a Scania, so I suspect the Navistar version is the same.
A little bit pf a funny circle is that in the 70's International Harvester supplied another Swedish Company with the Whole Drivetrain aka Enginen, Gearbox and Rear Axle.
this was Volvo BM Tractors.
The Model was the Volvo BM 500 which later became the Volvo BM 2200. 2204.2250 and 2254.
the parts came from the IH 475.
The rest was made by Volvo BM and the Cab was freefloating and quite ergonomic for its age.
But Volvo did two mistakes.
1st was the brakes which was also the same as the IH with even more issues than IH had with Air coming into the system.
This was fixed with a modification that put the Brakefluid comparment in the cab next to the steeringwheel and much higher than it was before.
This mean the air went into the bottle instead of staying in the wetbrakes in the trumpets.
2nd. IH 454,474,475,574 and 674 all shared the same gearbox with two gearshifting lewers on the left of the driver.
This was a good system with good ergonomics, especially compared to Massey Ferguson's 100 series.
and others who all had the gearshifter in the middle of the floor.
Volvo in all their wisdom and the fact that their cab was freefloating decided to redesign the IH shifter system.
To this day i have never heard anyone have even one decent word about their redesign.
It basically locks itself if you do not shift with the precision of a surgeon holding a newborn infant.
now try to do that whilst you are tilling the earth at over 6 MPH and a plowed fiarld.
Best regards.
P.S: I would highly recommend you to Visit the Munktell Museum in Eskilstuna if you want to see old large vehicles.
Or Volvo Museum in Gothenburg and SAAB Museum in Trollhättan both on Sweden westcoast about an hour on the road between eachother and filled with Engineering innovation.
There is also SAAB Aerospace Museum in Linköping on Swedens eastcoast south of Stockholm.
SAAB did afterall start with planes before cars and have been a world leader up there with U.S Giants at the pinnacle of technological advancements since the 40's.
As all roads and most bridges and tunnels are free in Sweden it is easy to drive.
or just take the Iconic X2000 train and enjoy the view as the Railroad is quite decent in Sweden.
Again best ergards.
Send a ship full of cab overs from Europe too the states. And bring us this beauty in Europa. I can use it on my short tipper😊
And to raise your hen and pig in it
Why would anyone want to ride onto of the front axel? Been there done that. Longer wheel base better ride that’s called basic geometry. Cabovers good for when one has big limits on LOA. Like where those cab overs are needed
It would be cool to build a restomod with that new scania engine in it, maybe a cabover or something like that.
Sleeper truck
I was thinking the same thing when he was showing what was under the cab and how quiet it was and stuff it would be so cool to have it on it like a 60s model truck,,
Oh no no burnouts I thought for sure you would do a big rip once you got it out there in a different parking lot❤😂
Cabover restomod would be sick!
Or a Scania V8 ;)
Actually, this is not a 'pure' Scania engine. The official name is the Traton Common Base Engine (CBE). It is true that the first steps in the design of the engine were made by Scania, but later on MAN also got involved. So it is a joined development between Scania and MAN. You may know MAN has an enormous experience in diesel engine design, truck engines are just a part of their diesel engine portfolio. The also produce huge marine diesel engines for instance.
This 13 litre engine will be produced locally all over the world, in different versions. It will be used by Scania, MAN, Volkswagen, and Navistar.
You spelled liter wrong. Damn Europeans.
Good info 🎉
Today these are different companys, MAN Truck&Bus belongs to Traton, the marineengines are from MAN energy solutions which belongs to VW till they find the right buyer.
As far as MAN Marine engines go they had to buy danish Marine Engine company B&W (Burmeister & Wain) since they were unable to match the economy in these engines. Scania is by far the leader in technology here, Scania is considered to be the "crown jewel" in the Traton Group...
@@ingo_8628 So at the moment these are still two different business units of the same MAN company. The business unit that builds the truck and bus engines has this on its website:
“Trend-setting products in excellent quality: MAN Engines is the partner for efficient diesel and gas engines in the power range from 37 kW to 1.618 kW (50 HP to 2,200 HP) as well as for axles and transfer cases. We offer decades of industry experience and know-how for the most diverse installation situations and load profiles.”
I’m sure you will agree with me that 2200 HP engines are not used in trucks. So even though the very big marine engines are made by another business unit, this business unit also builds much more than just truck engines.
work at an international dealership in pennsylvania. happy they went this way
I'm not a scania guy or an international guy by any means, but I've been very fascinated about the s13 since international announced this setup. I personally think it'll bring international back on the map even though I'll never own one lol!
That international has the pedals hung correctly....Pete is the one who does it backwards
Horrible set up in Peterbilts...I have to stand up for the clutch lock, can never wear a seat belt !
The main advantage to the "super singles" is weight savings. Fuel haulers are running at max gross as much as possible and every extra pound off the truck/trailer is more gallons hauled.
I have a pile of those Ertl diecast IH trucks, my girls play with them every day
Hey guys, they run the super singles on the trucks and trailers to offset the weight of the emission systems on the newer trucks so we can haul more fuel. They allow us to legally carry 200-300 more gallons per load depending on the product we are carrying. They’re honestly horrible to drive on and we wish they’d be outlawed. They’re dangerous in heavy rain and in the snow. We had several trucks get stuck during the snow we got here in Knoxville last winter.
I do like the Cummins power plant in the LT as well
It feels like international just bought some scania engine+gearbox+exhaust.
Maybe the super-singles are to prevent rocks being jammed between the wheels and thrown at the tank trailer?
It's for fuel efficiency and usually lower weight rating.
Super Singles are great WHEN they work, They increase fuel efficiency , and increase load capacity, BUT if you blow one you can lose a days time getting a new tire.....when rolling eight singles in the rear, you at least stand a chance of getting to a terminal before having to fix a tire.
They ride much smoother, last longer and have 50% less blowouts because less sidewall.
Super singles bring two benefits, one being significantly reduced unladen weight and due to reduced footprint on the ground less rolling resistance therefore better fuel usage. There are negatives, you take your choice. Fuel hauling weight really matters.
Slider trucks , you can tonany brand , i see allot of new volvos with no dpf filter and rolling coal
The old western stars had the motor mounts on the bell housing where most trucks put them on the flywheel housing. So to pull the trans you had to block up the back of the engine. It was a annoying design
Super single tires are considered to be weight saving, 1 wheel, 1 tire X 4 vs 8 wheels, 8 tires. Fuel hauling requires as much weight saving to be able to haul more gallons. Fuel is sold by the gallon, and more gallons delivered equals more products sold. Most drivers don't like super single tires due to the feel of instability while driving. Most trucks on the road have dual wheels. The roads in the US of A are worn by dual tires, so using a single tire on a road that's worn by dually will cause the truck to wander or track poorly. And the worst feeling of a tanker yanker is a wandering truck with fuel surging. It sorta feels like driving on wet or slick roads around corners, making for a butt puckering tense day for sure. Companies like it, drivers don't really care for them! Hope this helps.
❤My International 7.3l diesel Power Stroke. Best diesel I have ever owned.
Well Bruce, when are you buying one?😁👍
If they bring the international lt with a scania v8 that would be cool.
In Brazil this engine is pushing 420, 460, 500 and 560 Hp in 2350 a 2800 Nm of torque.
1200rpm make 1050 pound of torque trust me.
5:16 The 540 engine is the one with six cylinders. S or R are the dimensions of the cabs... So, the six-cylinder ones are the following: 370, 410, 450, 500 and 540. And the V8 ones are 530, 590, 660 and 770.
Inline 6 - 540, v8 - 530? 770?
@@udififkfkfck Yes, but the inline 6 have 12 liters and the V8 16 liters. The V8 ones have more torque at low rpm, and I think the power is limited by the software. I drove both and I can say that the V8 is clearly superior.
I want to see the Scania 17.5 liter V-8 offered in the lonestar. That would be sweat.
I think you're talking about the 16.4
Now that would be a great step up, but with an 18 speed lol.
@@davidbeach7187 with 700+ horsepower, hub reduction and 18 gears, steep roads have never been so easy😁
How USA will afford it how you gonna pay us with what how you gonna serve Scania what's your diesel fuel in USA? If was that easy Deimler would've sale Mercedes there not Frighteningliner & Detroit also Volvo would've use its Euro engines. Look at Boeing cheap but garbage!
@@bmad1386 basically same(?) engine is if offered with 1200 hp for marine use
They just need to start making the cabovers like the do here in NZ with the 9870
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The rear motor mount being on the transmission is kind of a pain to deal with when removing the transmission since you have to support the rear of the engine. It also uses studs and bolts to mount the engine and trans together rather than bolts like on everything else I've worked on.
Not sure how new OTR diesel engines are able to move back away from EGR and DPF these days, but it's nice to see it. I've generally been of the opinion that diesel is dead in passenger cars and replaceable in light trucks, but if the new technology they use to get around them can be downsized, then it may have a second lease on life after all.
From the research I did it's not only a Scania engine but also from MAN trucks which is also owned by Volkswagen group and even more is related to the big tractor motor.
Just got a 2025 international LT. With the S13 integrated Power train. Definitely pulls and Hauls ass
Scania trucks in the UK/EU are renowned for longeveity and fuel economy. Personally I would not want supersingles on the drive axle for any loads. We only have them on the trailor.
Exhaust pipes look clean - on the innsde!
I know international is owned VW group, but it's funny how much that gauge cluster looks like jettas and golfs I've had
That's internationals own cluster
You notice quickly that almost all switches and things are from the VW parts bin. Just like Scania and MAN have the heater, lights and window controls from a Golf 😃
VW own MAN and scania aswell as international, only fitting they swap parts just like the cars
Essentially, super singles are used to increase fuel efficiency on long hauls and to increase load capacity.
Fuel efficiency makes sense but i did not expect them to be considered stronger as well ( more weight capacity ). Interesting
@@LORFCASTER They are lighter than duals so you can carry more before reaching the load limit.
And they’re dangerous and expensive over time. Duals are the way to go
Had super singles on the front of my Scania crane lorry for 23 years and no problems, just buy a decent make of tyre.
Now the international is part of the VW family. I think they get a little better budget for R&D. Scania has always had a decent engine line I think. The problem with the MAN engines from VW Traton was they are more suitable for industrial off road side than using it as the A26. International has finally come full circle I think. I can remember about 15 years ago when they were working on a deal with cat to use the c15 as the basis of the international Big block program.
My old boss got straight hosed by that stealership a few years ago. 😂
All we need now is to... smuggle in a Scania R or S series cab and turn this International into a proper Scania!
You wouldn't have to smuggle it in if it was fitted by an International Dealer (HINT!) as the crash protection would exceed US crash protection regulations.
Nice thought though mate!
I think you're driving in the high level of the engine break mode. That s why its slowing down so fast.
U forgot the engine brake on all the time... When accel pedal is pushed goes to auto off, but when changing gears even if pedal to the metal, it will momentarily activate, seen by small green light on dashb with infinity sign(maybe it has redarder?).
Must rafine your driving skills 😂
BRAVO
I’m looking to get a scania I should have known my boy be here 😂
Can't wait for the lonestar V8 to come out!
Lonestar is no longer in production as of December last year
We need straight piped LT now haha!!!!
The super singles on the drive axles are to save weight. 8 tires and wheels weigh more the 4 super single wheels and tires.
21:15 The block off plate you mention is not where the retarder mounts on the G33 gearbox. The plate is, as you said, where the gearbox PTO's come off it (if it had been equipped with it). The retarder mounts to the other side of the transmission and the rearmost cast is different.
Interesting video... Thanks for doing it. Informative.
This is what BING's Chat AI said about why fuel tanker trucks often use super single tires instead of dual rear tires, the reasons are:
Weight Reduction: Super single tires are lighter than dual tire setups, which helps reduce the overall weight of the vehicle. This allows for a higher payload capacity.
Improved Fuel Efficiency: The reduced weight and lower rolling resistance of super single tires contribute to better fuel efficiency.
Maintenance: Super single tires simplify maintenance by eliminating the need to monitor and maintain pressure in two tires per axle. This also reduces the complexity of tire pressure monitoring systems.
Increased Load Capacity: Super single tires have a larger contact patch with the road, which can increase the load capacity of the vehicle.
Better Handling: These tires often provide better handling and stability, which is crucial for vehicles carrying hazardous materials like fuel.
IMO super single tires may be better all around the only drawback I could see is if you have a tire blow you couldn't limp the truck to a shop to get the tire fixed.
This could be the future of drivetrains in fire apparatus. The L9 and X12 are going away leaving the X15 or new X10 for Cummins. Detroit and Paccaar are the only other options. This seems like a good alternative.
Doesn't Cummins have an X13 now that replaced the X12?
@@mrvwbug4423 no the X10 will replace both. Not sure if a 13L is in the works.
El cummins X10 remplazara al X12 cummins y salta por encima del M11 cummins
@@danielduran7867 yes the X10 will replace all but has some crazy charging requirements so we are going to stay away from them as long as we can. We will spec the X15s as long as we can.
@@mrvwbug4423 Cummins does not have a 13L, X12 and X15. Paccar makes the MX11 and MX13 found in a lot of Pete/KW trucks.
You gotta check out the HX620 with S13
Damn that sounds like ETS. Crazy to hear that in a international.
Let me ride with yall 😂😂❤❤
770 v8 has entered the chat.
I helped changed of the first flywheel housings in that engine in the us. Yes, that plate is a pto mounting plate. There is also an option to run a pto off the back of the rear gear train. Very interesting stuff.
Can nsvistar build a binder branded Scania over here? Seems silly not to.
Hope it works out, Maxxforce we're incredibly horrible
The only good maxxforce was the dt
Those toys are 9070’s I drove on hauling logs with a shiny 290 with a 10spd air assist steering old JT Tull truck
Actually, the peddle coming out the top is better than out the floor! You have better control of peddle since you're able to rest your heel on the floor and use the front of your foot to accelerate! This makes a big difference in a manual, especially when you're short like me. The way you place your foot on the peddle affects how you shift gears big time, but you taller folks probably wouldn't know that! With the floor peddles when you hit the bottom of the peddle it's not fully engaging or vice versa, and you'll see the difference in shifting gears that way vs. placing your foot completely on the peddle. You'll notice that the gear will hang up on you a lot with your foot at the bottom of the peddle vs. the top where it belongs, lol! Also your foot will be well rested with the peddles that come from the top and you reduce the risk of depressing the peddle too much or too lightly. Depressing the floor peddle from the bottom, you'll notice that you're not even fully depressing it, lol! These are all short man problemsn t the end of the day, bcuz short men can't reach the peddle the same as you taller guys, lmao!
Ive always been a huge international fan and ive owned alot of international trucks mostly in the medium duty department of international trucks because all of my towtrucks have been international both my rollback and wreckers have been international i wont buy anything else when it comes down to the medium duty trucks. But in the semi department i have international trucks but when it comes to semi trucks i like running my peterbuilts! But this new international is pretty cool it definitely has my attention being that it of course is a international and i am excited to see how that new selection of engine does because ive never been a European truck fan at all i think that they look funny but i love the sound of their engines in the Scania trucks so this is pretty neat! I do hope that they give you a manual trans option in these new setups because i dont want any automatic trucks.
How American conventionals are still noisier than Euro cabovers inside not to mention the rocket boom outside the American cheap garbages?
The majority of Europeans don't want to hear for USA & US Bums let alone to get or give something to them no trade no business no military bases must be allowed between us Europe is rich high tech the future is Russia & China.
That cluster had been on them since 2017
How wide are those tyres?
"We" tried those double singles some years ago, but they didn't catch on.
The air pressure must be just right to get the whole tread on the road and not get an under or over pressure wear pattern.
You need to test running from Denver to LA .Hardest run in the nation.
Tell you what I wouldn’t mind, I wouldn’t mind that legacy office chair
Wait until you put a 16ltr V8 Scania 730hp with 18spd in one of your internationals here in Australia the big Scania beat everything will be a very interesting truck a few guys over here have repowerd American trucks with Scania V8 over here awesome bit of gear
That same engine and transmission is also used in MAN trucks. The rear gear train is because in Scania and MAN trucks they're all cabovers. Hopefully the lack of EGR will help the reliability. In europe they're mainly running in MAN trucks since outside of Sweden you're going to see about 5 MAN trucks for every Scania. And in Sweden you're going to see about 3 Volvos for every Scania.
scania is everywhere in norway but very few MANs. britain is big on swedish trucks as well I think
The cascadias I’ve driven drove a lot like that. DD13 with DT12, drove really well. The new automated trucks are no joke
I drive Scania and Volvo between Scotland - Spain, Scania far better going down hill,Volvo you need the 540bhp for the uphill,V8 560 was my favourite! Always on 40tonne,both ways!