Working with Urethane | It's the opposite of what you have learned from Reactive resin
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Yeah I know you can’t see the shots but it’s more about the words. I’ll redo it with a better angle but just think about what I’m telling you and try it in practice.
More hand less fingers is the best way I can explain it when you do it right it changes shape motion and Carry it definitely takes practice you will use more when you get scoring and others don't$$
@@richardsherrer423 ĺ
Good content JR. I just picked up the Purple Hammer yesterday. I noticed exactly what you stated and showed with the releases. Good to see and hear confirmation. Keep up the good work, your content makes a difference for me and my game.
This is one of the best explanations yet! Excellent!
Genius! Thank you for pointing out what lots of people simply don't get with urethane.
Urethane wants to be rolled. Smooth, easy, heavy.
He didn't point out just that. He thinks urethane + more axis rotation, makes it hook sooner. 1st time i hear that, and it doesn't make sense to me at all...
@@exesemas That part did not make sense to me either.
This is what is actually happening: When you put lots of axis rotation on a urethane ball, it skids longer and hooks later and this is what prevents the ball from driving harder in the back of the lane, it is simply hooking too late. By coming more up the back of the ball, urethane has a chance to do what it is meant to do, hook early, set and roll.
I know this because I have 90+ degrees of axis rotation and use strong urethane a lot. The difference with resin balls is they are designed to aggressively read the back of the lane, so when you put lots of axis rotation on them, they will skid longer and then read the back hard and fast and jump more than if you came up the back of them. That's what JR demonstrated. But with urethane if you do that it can hook too late and you get that ringing 10 he got or flat 10's.
When he came up the back, the urethane ball rolled soon enough and got through the pins.
So the difference between throwing urethane and throwing reactive is simply: You want urethane to hook early, set and roll and reactive, by nature hooks late and snaps.
At my channel you can see me throwing some very strong and low grit urethane balls 'very slowly' with over 90 degrees of axis rotation and you will see that these urethane balls just float up the lane and roll smooth off the friction, they are not puking out as JR says. My high axis rotation and low revs counter act the normal tendency of a strong ball to read too soon and die out. Oh, and I have zero tilt as well, another factor that creates early loss of energy that high axis rotation can help with.
See videos 53 and 57 for a demonstration.
@@nordattack Exactly. What you say here is correct. What he says in the video is wrong. I have watched several of your videos. Thanks. That is why i am having a discussion with him under my comment in this video, but he does not seem to explain what he wanted to say very well and thinks "i overthink it". Oh well...
@@nordattack Exactly
Good thread. From my perspective(league since I was 12 probably a dozen seasons easy on and off) the video explains what's going on well. A urethane ball rolled more up the back has a steady driving motion. It may or may not pick up quicker as far as leaving a spot but giving wrist tilt/hand makes it move more off the spot and you are more likely to get that spin out ball like you left one wide on the oil even tho you might be in the pocket. One way to say it is urethane is more continuous compared to the late lane readability and snap an active can offer. It seems tho too, like most things, it's about your form and how you're working the pieces. This clip helped me understand the difference between em a little bit.
Thanks JR, appreciate the advice
Great advice JR! What you described is what I was doing going to urathane to reactive which was over turning the ball making it early and not continuous. Thanks, you have an Excellent way of explaining the correct techniques in the game of bowling. 😁
Thank you so much. I discovered the forward roll the second night of league night. The second time I used my urethane straight out the box. I like the look of my Purple hammer and look forward to increase my average.
Really great description, thanks man digging all your vids
I’m looking for my first ball in 30 years to replace my cracked optyx illusion ebonite , I’m excited about your reviews on both the Helios and the UC3 , BOTH look like a shape I like !
So essentially:
Reactive ball get around it for later more powerful action and push down lane for earlier action.
Urethane ball push down lane for later stronger action and get around for early action.
Right or no?
Great video JR, I've noticed s lot of people using Urethane for shooting spares, would you recommend this?
I gotta try this out today. I throw 2 handed. Ball hooks so early and hard from the left gutter to the right gutter. I'm going to try and throw it more straight.
I have a pitch black. I get around it and it is more continuous. You can get it to if it’s slow enough.
JR-if I were to use a Storm Mix urethane for spares, with a pancake weight block, would it still matter much if I rolled it forward off my hand, versus coming around it? Or would the “bailing” you described when coming around it, not matter, because we want a straight shot at most spares anyway?
This explains my constant ten pins. Also I noticed that it is best to avoid the oily middle part of the lane when using Urethane as this also contributes to weak tens and even ugly formations such as the 8-10 or 7-10.
If I get consistent 10pins; I do one of two things to correct. Either tuck my pinky finger which will help it hook just a tad more or two, move back an inch in the lane to adjust my exit point which will pull your arc back and pack the pocket. Sounds odd but they work.
Agreed, those both can work another one that I use is move my feet one board left (I’m a lefty, so move one board right if you’re a righty) and throw at the same target
Great advice.
Other than the first shot, its hard ti see the other shots due to the camera angle
Any advice when deciding on drill layouts for urethane vs reactive?
Try getting around one of those Tank balls from Motiv. It makes them early, but they still go more angular downlane.
WE COULD SEE THE SHOTS!
The old saying YOUR A PAIN BUT YOUR NOT MADE OF GLASS! 🤣
good advice though thanks
If you are drilling a second urethane...would you go with same layout and keep the covers different OR different layouts same cover OR same layouts/same surface and switch middle of the block when you need a "fresh" one...
Holy shit thanks. This is the video I needed
Couldn’t really see the motion, needed a different camera angle...
What weight do you use also does that change how a Urethane reacts
The last time I had a urethane ball it had zero flare didn't matter if I bowled on short oil or long oil it had zero potential to strike I only used it for spears.
Now that you see it and can't see a thing lol good explanation I seen it in my mind
What you mean by forward roll
Great video. Question: How do you get your hands on a Purple Pearl Hammer Urethane these days?
I have one, 14lbs undrilled
@@NPMystikal price?
Amazon for like 150
Need a 13 lb old Sumo! Works for me!!! Have a 15lb. Thanks
Hi just to let you know you are in my old neck of the woods.
You sell that shirt, I want one
What ball was it? ..and was it a symmetrical ball or asymmetric?
Symmetrical. Purple hammer.
@@chugalingus4642 Ah, his purple hammer. Thanks!
Uh, I saw your back, and that's about it... also, you're making the video, we're watching it. I'd suggest if you're in a location where you can't get multiple cameras, after you release the ball, just take a step to the left.
He just needs to position the camera different, but hopefully he sees so he can improve
At 2:30 in your video, your 2nd shot, you're blocking the entire shot and we can't see anything. Also, you mentioned going forward and not getting any hand into the ball, but it's obvious you're coming around the ball
Slow it down to 0.25x you can definitely see the difference in roll he's using at the hand. The second throw is absolutely more down the lane and the first throw has a good 45* angle to it.
Why would a urethane behave like you describe ? You attribute it to the cover having friction early. Yeah...so do solid covers and they don't behave like that. Why would it be "opposite" with urethane ? I think you are just misinterpreting what you see. If you go more around it at the release all balls get more length. Its physics. Your urethane didn't go through the pins properly when you did that, because it probably moved the breakpoint away from you and being urethane it can't flip on the backend anyway. I saw your other video. That's why you ended up saying things like "it hooks early, but not early enough" (on a shot with more axis rotation that you left a 10 pin). There are many reasons one leaves a 10 pin. If by going around it, it made the ball hooked early, it would go more flush because your angles were pretty closed. It seems it did the opposite of what you think it did. Side rotation delayed the hook just a bit, and being it a urethane, it can't correct on the backend. On the next shot you said you moved left...but you only moved your feet. At the arrows you were around the same spot. So you actually increased your launch angle, you opened up your shot! That's why i hooked even less. And you increased axis rotation which delays the hook even more. No surprises there. You are just interpreting it wrong. On the previous shot you left a 10 pin. Why would you open up your angle even more ? With a urethane nonetheless ! Doesn't make sense.
He tells it like he sees it. If you give it a try, and it improves the way your urethane goes down the lane, you have just learned a new way to get into the pins. If we only go by calculations, we end up with the same results all the time. Give it a try, lol.
@@philpak1 Why are you assuming i have not already experienced this and came to a different conclusion? Sorry but reality is a different thing than observation. 2 people can see the same thing and interpret it totally differently. In bowling that happens often because it all happens fast. If i told you some weird thing like "if you don't wipe your ball, it will read earlier", would you say "oh maybe it's true" ? Or would you strongly doubt it or even dismiss it as non-sensical? I bet the 2nd. Well, that's what i am also doing. Bowling is physics. So yeah, we go by calculations. Eyes and brains can be deceiving. :)
You underestimate the difference in a solid cover vs urethane.
The whole point is creating continuous motion through the whole lane by rolling it forward. Eliminate the double “hook” from side roll. Urethane will read early no matter what. Reactive won’t. Big difference in the two covers. That’s what you’re missing. You still think you can delay the early hook with spin on urethane. You can’t. You only delay the chance of the 2nd motion. IF it makes another motion
@@exesemas Well, if all the right variables are present, then calculations are great. However, how do u know u have all of the variables to make your conclusion? =D
Well that was useless...the rolling shot was completely hidden behind you in the shot. Learn to video in a meaningful way.