Why does everyone use urethane? What’s the benefit? Will anyone benefit from the Pba rule change?
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Could you move the camera a little further right so the camera picks up the ball going into the pocket. Your kinda of standing in the way of seeing the ball going down the lane. Sorry for being picky.
I did this on purpose because the ball motion is what’s important. I want y’all to not focus on the pins
@@Tenpindoctors I could see the ball motion to a certain extent from the foul line to about 2/3 the way down the lane but couldn't see if the ball rolled in or snapped it in. I'm impressed with the ball. It might be the next ball that goes into my bag.
Yeah I think camera angle for showcasing ball motion can be tricky indeed
I throw urethane a lot on THS because the left side of the lane is very wet/dry. I've had a lot of luck with the Pyramid Pathogen Plague (solid urethane) and to a lesser extent, the Storm Fast Pitch, because both are weak urethanes. Balls like the Purple Hammer, Zen/U, Black Widow Pink U, Double Cross, etc. are all a good 5-10 boards stronger, and force me to play too steep for urethane. I've never tried the Pitch Black, and I'm not 100% sold on the !Q/78 as a THS ball... most urethane just isn't suited for it. I'd love to see something like the Hustle or even the old Turbine core in this new 78 cover.
Very good video JR. Thanks for this demonstration and explanation. There is a lot of confusion about how to play urethane, thanks for bringing some clarity to it.
Thanks so much for this explanation on urethane. Great work.
Thanks JR.
I'M frenchbowler, i have 65 years old.
It's a pleasure to see your vidéos.
UA-cam it's extra for me.
Good training and good plays at the PBA'S tournament.
Same issue I had with my NU, I was throwing it along the shim and it wouldn't pick up. So, I through it over the 2nd arrow way right out to 3-4-5 and it looked great.
Unrelated to the video, a tip I came up with, that i dont know if anyone said based on what ive seen, is when your balance arm is out to the side when you are about to finish the throw is chase your balance arm with your hip, assuming the stance is mainly upright like mine, because it helps at the release give a bent knee & subconsciously moves my trail leg over. Working on pushaway timing as well since i do it on my 3rd step in a 5 step but incase you do anymore videos on timing, release etc. see if that is something helpful as it helped me.
I got my nu blue today and it's a big difference between that and a purple hammer. The first difference I seen is how much later it is than the purple. The blue also makes a nice shape that can be similar to a purple reactive but it'd be a little sharper. The similarities are for me I can use it on dry or fresh like a purple. I can also throw it the same speed as I go left and it picks up and goes through the pins. So far it's has a couple differences that make it a different ball but it has things in common that makes it worthy of being in your arsenal.
Good video!
I would like to see a comparison video Storm Summit vs. Hammer Hazmat
According to BrunsNick, urethane balls do NOT get softer. He disagrees with that "study", explaining that their durometer testing was flawed, testing gunk on the ball and not the real surface. I believe Brunswick and company have done a lot of their own testing to confirm this. Urethane balls don't absorb oil, so the thought of oil making the balls softer doesn't make logical sense.
Great vid, JR and thank you for it! Question: For sport patterns and especially for Nats, and as a lower rev lefty, could you see a bag composed only of the NU, the Purple and the Black pearl? At least if the goal is "leave makeables, make makeables?
Thank you
I see the views have gone up considerable. 👍
Cool video talk tech bowling bowling ball Jr Raymond
Great video. Would taking the NU from 1000 to 500 make it react more urethane-like? What is the difference between the NU and the older Arson low flare ball?
I have been making spares with urethane since the 80s. I keep practicing with plastic. Plastic is lacking on conversions. I cant get angles you need sometimes, or maybe its just me.
The commentary was everything
Kind of funny I was commenting this on your other vid and a lot of it was discussed here lol
I am a low speed, high rev player. My average speed is somewhere between 11.4 and 12.1, however I have alot of revs. Officially I don’t know my exact revs number, but I know it’s a lot. My go to balls are my purple hammer and my dv8 Hellraiser Blaze. I am a player who prefer playing at an angle, compared to playing straighter. Because I do have alot of revs, and the Blaze is a super strong ball I find myself getting a lot of Brooklyns. If I don’t want to go Brooklyn I have to open up my angle pretty wide, and pretty much throw the ball at the gutter (then I’m able to hit the pocket). When I throw my purple hammer I still have my angle open, but not as wide compared to when I’m using my blaze. With my purple hammer I don’t have to get the ball out wider and I usually hit the pocket without any issue. If I am only able to get one of these balls, which one do you think would be better for a player like myself. Also I apologize for the super long comment
I have the same throw. 13mph for me. Large hands, lots on release. My default start is stand middle and aim first mark right of center. I hate hockey stick motion, it's hard to control.
Brunswick Hero. Pin through ring finger is my goto.
My purple hammer, I throw the same line for spares on the left. I just throw slower.
@@dobermanownerforlife3902 same, I wish I could change my release (technically I can) however after doing it for years it would be difficult. I too start in the middle. Game one I am standing on 20, and I’ll usually float in between 20 and 25~ish. There are certain balls I would love to have, but because of my style they won’t work for me.
@@willieyoung7070 asymmetrical are difficult to use as well.
I don't throw super hard, 13-14 mph usually. I bowled league at 18 years old, and then never again til this year (43 now) so it's alllllmost like starting over, but of course I bowled very occasionally over the years. First new ball since 06 (EPX-T1 that broke after 10 games 😭) and got a Black Widow 2.0 Hybrid against recommendations. Practiced most of this year, got my ball about 3 months before league. Quickly improved, started topping 200 more regularly than ever, set my PB twice (246 then 248). THEN league started. Of course with fresh house pattern it was a whole new game. Struggling with consistency now. Trying to adjust throughout the evening, but definitely need to work on basics and drills. Also want a medium performance ball and a spare ball. JR is my favorite to learn from.
Why am I for urethane? As a right hander, my ball speed is high and I can hook it compare to the reactive ball.
I like urethane because it's predictable and durable. Some of my reactive balls are dead after a year, even with surface adjustments. I'm not a pro, so it's not critical that I have higher end stuff other than for nationals. BTW, I thought the blue hammer is not urethane?? I have both a blue and purple hammer. I like them! To be fair, I have a UC2, Hype Solid and a Summit... just in case!
Pink Black Widow, Attitude Control and Radical Double Cross. Lefty, speed dominate, old school, only urethane. Urethane IS more durable and consistent. Eliminates most of my over under.
Nublu is cool though.. that core drive
You want it to hook, throw it down/ in with a less aggressive drill, all balls are different and the drill you put on them.. and then the expectations
Also I have to add, I bought this and use it and night and day from my duo... that's my disclaimer
I only know of 1 bowler at our bowling center who benefits from using urethane balls. That is because he is a very straight bowler. He's my bowling partner in a lot of leagues. A pretty good bowler and with the sort of style he bowls, urethane ball work well for him. He's one of the 5% of bowlers than can actually bowl with urethane on a house shot properly. It's all in the style in which he happens to bowl. For the rest of us, urethane is really taboo on a house shot. I feel that a lot of people I bowl with in league could bowl a whole lot better if they learned to use reactive properly.
I use an Ebonite Blue Gyro sanded that I bought in 1999. Just got back into a league after 10 years out. It works fine. But I’d like to upgrade. They don’t make it anymore. Is there a modern equivalent?
Just my opinion. T he PBA should have thought more about this. The purple hammer has been so popular. Folks see it on tour. Folks buy it for league. Now, it will not be seen on TV. It will hurt Brunswick's sales. I do not think this is good for the game. But, I predict. Science will prevail. The NU Blue hammer is just a patch. They will come out with a harder urethane that still reacts like the purple. They will figure out the formula.
What about the Journey?
I use the Pink Hammer Urethane just so I can stay straighter up the boards with it. The gas mask core makes it stronger than the Purple Hammer, but just as predictable.
I ran into the same issue with my nu blue so i decided to polish it.... now im standing 30 and leaving 4 counts 😂
Just curious how we have some Motiv balls as "urethane like" and stuck under urethane rules but Hammer skated system and no rule change for the nu blue. Maybe overtime it will get lumped in as well?
It will not
The NU is not urethane
The urethane like covers are the microcell polymer covers…..
The NU is a resin ball designed to play like urethane by being harder and reducing flare potential
@@SteveBoos-ng2zk All balls are urethane just some have more or less plasticizer in it. They skated the rule by putting just enough to cause the ball to absorb oil at a specific rate. Motiv did the same then pba made the "urethane like" rule. Right now this ball absorbs faster then the time limit to not be either urethane like or pure urethane. Currently the rule is 45 minutes I believe.
@@jedikevin20 thanks
So if u still want a urethane reaction should I get the iq over the blue hammer idk how but I’m still using my old purple hammer a lot I was going to buy a new one next year but I want to have something PBA compliant just in case I decide to do a event one day
Will you do a comparison Yellowjacket Tank vs IQ 78.. I think they are going to react very close to the same.
I can but they definitely aren’t close to the same
@@Tenpindoctors Maybe it's just the way I roll my ball then. Cuz when I see you roll the IQ straight, it looks like my Tank. Thanks for the response. Love you vids.
Are both balls equatable? Layout & overstock finish? I don't recall you mentioning either.
Yes
I layout all urethane like balls the same
Before I even watch this video, I can tell you why our local league bowlers (on house patterns) use urethane. Because they see the Pro's using urethane and they don't understand why. If they understood the proper use of urethane and why the Pro's actually use urethane balls, they wouldn't use them on house patterns.
Hi JR. When you get a chance I want you to make a video talking about the modern release. My issue is that I’m being told by my coach to “lift with your fingers” to hook the ball. I understand that lift just basically means the thumb coming out first and the ball staying on the fingers longer, but my high school coach is telling me to literally lift my fingers and keep my wrist locked so that it won’t break backwards. And this doesn’t seem right. This is 2023, not 1983.
Shirt and flat patterns, never on ths and right side spares because it works great for me.
Re Study , check the details, I don’t think that they used urethane that has gone down to 70 or even less. That study is simply biased and trying to justify why they did not go for the 78 hardness rule first USBC
Brah get you a camera man!
Wait a minute! is the NU Urethane, I ask cuz everyone is acting like it is yet Hammer says it's not Urethane, NU.
Never used it, never will...
it does look like you fouled at 2:26
Probably did. I foul all the time but it continues going off with nobody at the line
not the first time seeing this happen. somehow, someway, you always seem to be in the way of the ball going down the lane. you would think after how long of making these videos, that you would remember to not be in the way of seeing the ball or to at least set/move the camara to the right. sorry for the hate. but dang bro.
You are obsessed with seeing every detail that doesn’t matter. You can see the entire ball motion which is what’s important. Why do you need to see the pins falling? I’m trying to get y’all to focus on the important things and not just the l results.
From now on I’ll just take the pins away completely. Don’t like it? Go watch someone else. Good luck learning anything though. 🤫
@@TenpindoctorsSome people are more dense than your Dad's old blue Columbia 300 😂
Hopefully the PBA can work out a rule in one or two events which only allow reactive balls (and of course plastic balls) to be used... Its a kind of boring actually watching them play the same balls in almost every events... Bowling companies produced so many balls every year but still urethane was widely used and I don't see this new 'NOT URETHANE' balls will mke any different...
@KennyWinning19 you're right, nobody cares but it would be a new challenge for the pros not to have the usual 'go to' ball.. let's see how they would attack a short oil pattern and how they react when the lanes starts to transition, for example... Otherwise, it is likely a routine every year...
Urethane has little use on recreational house shots. If you feel compelled to use urethane in your beer league, you’re doing yourself and your teammates a disservice. Urethane has a place on short/flat patterns… that’s it.
No, I can't see how clean anything is because all I can see is you standing in the way of seeing what the heck the ball is doing on the lane. Wanna reshoot the video without having the camera DIRECTLY behind you?
Nope. Only thing you can’t see is the pins most of the time. I did that on purpose since y’all focus on the wrong things.
@@Tenpindoctors the wrong things, like, the ball motion?
@@briangonzalez7970 like the pins. You see the ball motion fine. You don’t need to see the pins
No we can’t see… you’d think these guy would understand angles…
You’d think you’d understand this is a video where YOU DONT NEED TO SEE THE PINS. I did it on purpose
@@Tenpindoctors you think it would have more views n like but ya…
@@Jdbreal299 speak English please
I agree @curtelliott