How urethane can help or hurt tournament bowlers

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  • Опубліковано 16 кві 2020
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  • @doog535
    @doog535 2 роки тому +12

    Man that's a great description. I see lots of videos talking about urethane and transition without discussing the mechanics of what is happening with the oil (typically it breaks usually ends up with us watching a bowler take a bunch of shots). This really helped!

  • @bowlingdj300
    @bowlingdj300 4 роки тому +2

    Thx for breaking that down visually, very cool, also if you move left and try to miss the hang area good luck getting it down the lane on shorter patterns if you barely touch the finger holes its going through the nose, great video, cheers!

  • @zonezerznoack4417
    @zonezerznoack4417 2 роки тому

    thanks that was just what i was looking for.

  • @dabolts2185
    @dabolts2185 4 роки тому +5

    As a guy who throws a power stroker shot I do hate seeing urethane in tournaments. I get that they are necessaties for 2 hander and high rev bowlers. It does make it a bit tough like he explains for everyone else. But its all part of the game and we all have to adjust.

    • @coopergates9680
      @coopergates9680 3 роки тому

      It's a problem when people use carry down balls near the gutter, it can actually be beneficial if it's deeper inside and creates a shim

  • @AlfonsoMartinez-ey4jf
    @AlfonsoMartinez-ey4jf 2 роки тому +3

    Great video and analysis, completely agree.. If I go to a lane where they are using Urethane, I grab my urethane to play a similar line.

  • @derrickcobbin3923
    @derrickcobbin3923 4 роки тому +4

    Awesome video!!! This is so true even in college bowling. It almost turns bowling into a chess match lol.

  • @richardsherrer423
    @richardsherrer423 4 роки тому

    Thanks to Jr I've gone to the blitz and before that only like urethane if I could get it back from outside 5 people ask me to push oil down a few times but usually just practice

  • @raymah7
    @raymah7 Рік тому

    Thank you for this tip and visual. Definitely explains the issue I'm going through. What you move to a stronger hooking ball and play more inside?

  • @cartograph8162
    @cartograph8162 2 роки тому +6

    Im the kind of guy who bowls urethane specifically to annoy people who dont know how to play against it. its fun to troll people sometimes ;D

  • @videll7kelly
    @videll7kelly 2 роки тому

    Interesting idea.... Not sure you have the same idea now but I have seen people throw sanded balls which destroy the lanes totally and also two handers make the lane shape harder as well... The question becomes should you make the game easier for you and my answer would be yes.....

  • @nordattack
    @nordattack 4 роки тому +7

    When you know you are going to a pair that had urethane thrown on it and urethane was scoring high on that pair, why would you also not use urethane on that pair?
    Why would you try to use resin when you know it will not work?

    • @Thunderpulse
      @Thunderpulse 2 роки тому

      When someone does not have a urethane ball

    • @nordattack
      @nordattack 2 роки тому +2

      @@Thunderpulse That's their fault for not having one. Does a golfer not bring a complete set of clubs? Same thing.
      Bowlers must be prepared for all conditions and have a ball that suits each condition. That means resin, urethane and plastic.

    • @Thunderpulse
      @Thunderpulse 2 роки тому

      @@nordattack what if someone did not have the money for it?

    • @nordattack
      @nordattack 2 роки тому +5

      @@Thunderpulse If they can't afford a bowling ball then why are they paying entry fees for a tournament?

    • @Thunderpulse
      @Thunderpulse 2 роки тому +3

      @@nordattack alright fair point you win

  • @dropzilla8398
    @dropzilla8398 Рік тому +2

    Ok I got a brunswick attitude ball and super nova and the black n pink black widow ball what ball would u recommend for a spare ball or a middle ball and end ball

  • @devhyd7
    @devhyd7 2 роки тому +1

    Genuine question.
    Why doesn't everybody just carry an extra urathane ball? You can carry 6 right?

  • @caponyx
    @caponyx 10 місяців тому

    i played a guy that is a 2 hander and threw urethane completely decimating my scores. he played in about 15-20. would my move should have been to play up 10?

  • @clintonkahler2082
    @clintonkahler2082 2 роки тому

    @ 6:50 when you say short can you be specific...like how many feet are you calling short in this teaching?? Thanks!

  • @JustChuck1t
    @JustChuck1t Рік тому +1

    We definitely need more MO and JR

  • @KingBueno619
    @KingBueno619 2 роки тому +1

    From a 37ft pattern to badger

  • @baze3SC
    @baze3SC 2 роки тому +1

    The issue goes deeper. The amount of oil on the lanes has tripled over the past couple of decades. Why? Because the oil is needed to "contain" reactive resin. It's not the fault of urethane balls that this is becoming unmanageable. The problem is that people pursue easy points using high-tech balls and less importance is given to quality shot making. No wonder that the sport is in steep decline. Why would an ordinary bowler need to own three or more expensive balls? Don't expect the ball manufacturers to solve this, they are the ones who benefit.

  • @richardsherrer423
    @richardsherrer423 3 роки тому

    I've gone to urethane and had to put it down they are situation ball's and you need to watch for it

  • @mreid08
    @mreid08 4 роки тому +4

    Wouldn't urethane continue to move oil past the break point and reactivate motion get better??

    • @jasontom7278
      @jasontom7278 3 роки тому +1

      The oil in the middle of the lane is being consumed by people throwing reactive. Urethane is carrying oil down. So you have to move left to get the ball down the lane and then it won't get "up the hill" and hit well.

    • @kevinwilson6270
      @kevinwilson6270 Рік тому

      @@jasontom7278 are you a lefty?

    • @jasontom7278
      @jasontom7278 Рік тому

      @@kevinwilson6270 no sir. Some days I wish I were, but.....

  • @mariogarcia-tv9vi
    @mariogarcia-tv9vi 3 роки тому +1

    JR being that your a proshop guy you might want to answer to us all why not score with urethane on the ditch or turn to a different ball / in combination with hand release instead of pure ball reaction ....

  • @edmondkreuk
    @edmondkreuk 2 роки тому +1

    I appreciate the explanation, but I don't agree. It's a game of skills AND tactics. I think that the scores are already very very high. With new oilpatterns the USBC, or whoever is responsible for that, should create tough conditions to make it more interesting and difficult. Scores of 250 and higher are nuts and are only good for TV....

  • @douglasbuck8986
    @douglasbuck8986 2 роки тому +1

    THE INDUSTRY PUT ITSELF IN THIS POSITION .................

  • @midnitesilverrun8631
    @midnitesilverrun8631 Рік тому +4

    It seems like a lot of bowlers find excuses instead of just changing to fit the needs of the lane they are bowling on.I guess it’s just easier to blame someone else’s bowling ball then your own lack of bowling better.

  • @Kawboy65
    @Kawboy65 4 роки тому +9

    So I guess there was no scoring on the PBA tour in the 1980's and early 1990's when everyone was using urethane.

    • @jasontom7278
      @jasontom7278 3 роки тому +2

      Oil patterns were closer to 22-24 feet in the 80s because balls didn't hook as much. Patterns have adapted to ball technology.

    • @Kawboy65
      @Kawboy65 3 роки тому +1

      @@jasontom7278 To an extent... While "short oil" patterns in the 26-foot range were popular, long patterns were still very common. Manufacturers came out with higher durometer (harder) and pearl urethanes to combat short oil. There was still the never-ending race between manufacturers to develop the softest, most porous urethanes to combat long and heavy oil conditions. Obviously, the advent of reactive resins, and later particle reactives, changed the game forever. Yes, patterns then adapted to this new "hook in a box" equipment.

    • @coopergates9680
      @coopergates9680 3 роки тому

      @@Kawboy65 Even the OG LT-48 was a 'heavy oil' ball at the time, and it sure was for me when I stumbled upon one. Dug in at my toes

    • @Kawboy65
      @Kawboy65 3 роки тому

      @@coopergates9680 Yes, it certainly was. However, urethane made rubber obsolete.

    • @coopergates9680
      @coopergates9680 3 роки тому

      @@Kawboy65 Both the LT-48 and yellow dot out hook some of the early urethanes, so it depends

  • @leonardbreitling2703
    @leonardbreitling2703 2 роки тому

    Why don't they have tournaments we're the whole field used urethane and others just reactive?

  • @jyee2217
    @jyee2217 Рік тому

    Magic trick? Its called changing variables such as release, hand postion, speed, loft, etc other than just changing balls.

  • @lanewarriorillridez3739
    @lanewarriorillridez3739 2 роки тому

    Instead of running to urethanes just do short pin drills on weaker mid priced solids!

  • @rbd6661
    @rbd6661 2 роки тому +5

    To the end of your video, there is no rule to play a bowling ball. You can play whatever you want. All I hear is crying about “fairness”.

  • @MasterGunz84
    @MasterGunz84 4 роки тому +1

    Interesting 🧐 the second time around... everyone has a urethane ball in their bag or in a bag in the trunk of their car or truck... somewhere close... lol... league, tournament and professional should know to adjust accordingly... especially when we talk to each other... scouts lanes... before, during tournaments... with ball reps, coaches, friends and other bowlers... urethane will always be part of the game until USBC and the PBA say no mas... just my thoughts... 🤔💭🧐💭

  • @aanler
    @aanler Рік тому

    Bowl straighter.

  • @patrickhayden1977
    @patrickhayden1977 4 роки тому +1

    Another consequence of the hi-rev 2 handed no thumb style.

  • @__tymir1788
    @__tymir1788 11 місяців тому

    Yea idc ima use whatever ball works for me

  • @swingoteket
    @swingoteket 2 роки тому

    I agree with everything and would like to add. It has a lot to do with flare (not only urethane). No or low faring balls create similar carry down.
    Instead of banning urethane my suggestion is: one player, one lane for all the games in a block. Let those who like to play with urethane follow them selves and deal with the lane that they create.
    What’s your view on that?

    • @denmanfite3156
      @denmanfite3156 2 роки тому

      I think that's removing an entire part of competition for the sake of a ball that shouldn't be allowed anyway.

    • @okkumo1476
      @okkumo1476 2 роки тому +2

      @@denmanfite3156 As someone who has bowled tournaments for 5 years and just recently got my first urethane ball, just get good. You cant ban a bowling ball just because you cant adjust based on the conditions.

    • @denmanfite3156
      @denmanfite3156 2 роки тому

      @@okkumo1476 has nothing to do with adjustments or "git gud"

    • @lesgrosshans2266
      @lesgrosshans2266 Рік тому

      @@denmanfite3156 so do you believe for it to be fair that everyone should use the same ball. Make it consistent across the board. Then no one would have anything to complain about. And then you could make everyone throw the same way as well.

  • @lesgrosshans2266
    @lesgrosshans2266 Рік тому

    So throwing urethane gives everyone a built in excuse lol

  • @pugdiddy100
    @pugdiddy100 5 місяців тому

    Just ban them or stop complaining. I am new at bowling and the pro shop sold me a purple hammer without mentioning people would cry about it.

  • @ShadowDestroyers
    @ShadowDestroyers 2 роки тому +5

    Lol People acting like my cute little purple ball destroying their precious oil when 2 handers with sanded balls aren't. Reactive balls also sucking up the oil like a sponge removing oil from the lane and also pushing oil around. Do they think that ball spinning high rpm going 15+ mph absorbs at that rate. Lmao People blame urethane saying it should be banned, cry harder. 🤣

    • @lumberlikwidator8863
      @lumberlikwidator8863 Рік тому

      RIP Dick Weber. If he was alive and in his prime today he would grab something dull, spin it straight up the 6 or 7 board and smack down 5-7s all day long. (He wouldn't be fazed if he left a 5-pin now and then.). Leave nothing but 4-pins and 10-pins (no crazy washouts or 2-8-10s), make all his spares and laugh his way to 225-240 every game.

  • @joeltorres9907
    @joeltorres9907 5 місяців тому

    Sorry but theres no reason for urathane on a house shot

  • @ianblacksrad1392
    @ianblacksrad1392 Рік тому +1

    He sounds Butt hurt.

  • @djRobZilla
    @djRobZilla 3 роки тому +7

    This is such a whine fest lol.

    • @lumberlikwidator8863
      @lumberlikwidator8863 Рік тому +1

      Agreed. And JRs drawing is a pure fairy tale. All balls move oil down the lane to some extent. His sketch implies that urethane balls jump in the air when they exit the pattern, land at the break point, and deposit oil there. In the real world balls roll out of the pattern, leaving streaks of oil down the lane.

    • @lesgrosshans2266
      @lesgrosshans2266 Рік тому +1

      But it gives everyone a built in excuse.

  • @generiley355
    @generiley355 Рік тому +2

    Why not just pull out urethane ???
    For some people urethane just works for their game......on any pattern.......
    At this point you cannot ban anything.....one hand.....two hands.......wood......rubber.....polyester......urethane.....reactive.......particle.......????
    If you are the best of the best.....a true professional.....you will figure out a way to score....to knock down enough wood to come out on top......