2022 Ford 6.7L Diesel VS 7.3L Gas || The Powerstoke Is The 7.3L Gas Worst Nightmare... Or Is It?
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- Опубліковано 11 чер 2022
- It's time to compare the 6.7L Powerstroke and 7.3L Gas engine from Ford to end the debate!!!! || Like || Subscribe || Share || #JBReviews #FordF250
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Based on the numbers from your video it would take 318989 Miles to break even. But that isnt counting the extra cost of the diesel maintenance.
So assuming you are trying to hit about 500K miles on both trucks...The 7.3 will always be cheaper. The 7.3 is a big displacement V8 with nothing but NA glory. Its built to last.
The 7.3 is easier to work on yourself, and is much cheaper to fix. Many issues with diesels require the type of work that will run you 5,000 to 10,000 dollars whenever something goes wrong with the ECM causing engine problems and/or the turbos fail.
You will basically never break even with modern diesels. Its a specific platform you should only ever get because only a diesel can.
@@yungnachty4474 yessir
Exactly $450 oil change instead of 120 etc.
Don't forget the DEF
Right! Sometimes I think these diesel fanboys can't do simple math. Let's be real here, most diesel buyers only choose it for the sound and the torque bragging rights, NOT because they actually need the capability. I was seriously considering a F250 powerstroke to haul a slide-in camper, until I did the math on fuel and maint cost. The 6.7 makes absolutely no sense for the vast majority of non-commercial buyers.
I’ve had tons of diesel trucks. I used to be obsessed with them. Diesel used to be cheaper than gas. U factor that in. Def fluid. Higher cost maintenance repairs. Harder to find a diesel mechanic that’s honest and fair . I no longer am obsessed with them.
That's why I'm going to sell and buy a F-150 3.5 gas turbocharged gets up the mountain passes just as good those turbos really help when you get over 5000 feet on a 6% grade.
just buy a warranty and you're fine
@@Mike-01234 I disagree with a trailer 7k +
Trailer will be pulling you unless its 22 ft or less
Exactly!
Fleet manager here. As several have pointed out the mpg means nothing when you are talking entry cost and maintenance cost. The 7.3L V8 will always win. We have 86 vehicles in our fleet from F-250 to F-450 and until the 7.3L V8 came out they were all diesel trucks. In the last couple of years we have been replacing every truck that hits 300,000 miles with a 7.3L V8. So you know back in the day we would replace at 500,000, but the emissions systems have absolutely killed the longevity of the diesel trucks. They are just too expensive to maintain anymore. So far, we have switched out 39 of our vehicles for F-350 7.3L V8 trucks. We will eventually get to 52 total 7.3L's and then the rest will still be diesel. In the F-350 gas we can still tow 80% of what our company moves on the roads. We usually are 12,000-18,000 for most jobs. Anything above 18,000 and you are going to want a dually diesel anyway.
Bottom line if you are anyone that tows a camper or anything really under 15,000 lbs I would not hesitate getting the 7.3L. It will save you tens of thousands of dollars in lifetime maintenance and $10,000 in entry costs. Don't even get me started on diesel fuel. Because of the extra costs for diesel the gas engines are cheaper too especially when towing.
Correct
I have a 2021 F250 7.3 with 430's I pull a 41 foot 5th wheel, the trailer weighs 13,500 lbs fully loaded the truck is awesome I get 8.5 to 9 miles a gallon. I'm very happy with the truck
I did the math, 100K mile at 18.1 and also 13.8. I used 6per gal Die and 5 per Gal Gas. Will cost 3K more for gas. Break even point around 250K miles. The biggest difference for ME is the extra miles per tank and the extra torque. If you do not tow , the gas may be a better choice. Bottom Line - I think its great that Ford gives 2 good choices. Great video!!!.
You have to take in maintenance cost gas is 1/3 of the cost for maintenance and def is only going up
Yeah maintenance is what kills you on diesels. I had a 2016 Cummins for my business that I used to pull a gooseneck. Minor services and repairs would see $1500 bills. Not uncommon! For the price of replacing a set of injectors, you can replace an entire gas engine.
@@alexs3187 nailed it. I can put a new 6.2 engine at 250,000 for 4k and keep the body rust free. still think about diesel but I don't think I'll ever do it. I always wanted a clean pre emission but those days are long gone.
Another great video! I just broke 1K miles on my 2022 F350 Tremor with the 6.7 power stroke. I'm getting 19+ MPG with a mix interstate and city driving. Granted I am gentle on the throttle when taking off. Still trying to find the 5th wheel that I can handle comfortably though.
Great discussion, I have the 7.3 gas in a 2021 F250 crew cab with 3:55 in the rear, I have pulled a travel trailer 8k lbs with full cargo and family 4-5 people from SW Ohio to panhandle of FLA twice in the last year, it handles load and rides great, the RPMs stayed under 3000 the majority of the trip even going through the mountains (driving conservative) I love the low end torque, no exhaust brake although in tow/haul mode when you let off the gas and tap the brakes it will drop some gears and help slow down well, 8.5-10.5 mpg while towing, 13.5 unloaded, I didn’t even consider the diesel due to the high initial cost the DEF and extra maintenance required, and I don’t plan on ever towing super heavy loads and or pushing truck to full capacity, so for myself Its great and smooth like peanut butter and jelly,
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That's a pretty good report on the gas engine towing a pretty decent heavy load. I suspected diesel may not lose it 3 miles per gallon towing though but you're right I forgot to include the DEF factor in my comment
I have the same setup as Marty F-250 XLT with a 7.3 and 3.55 in the back. I tow a 8,900lb travel trailer now for about 5,000 miles carry the wife 3 kids two dogs 4 bikes and a bed full of firewood. On one trip I even took a 350lb generator with a 100lb propane tank. I get 9-10 MPG and 14MPG unloaded. I take 6% grade on I-24 and the tow mode works great. I gain 600 ln payload to 2,952 the Diesel wold be 2,352 payload.
@@TheMasterMUF wonder what your total weight would be truck and trailer loaded?
@@mikesmith5792 I’m going camping next week I will try to stop by a scale.
Thanks for sharing this because some guys are having immediate lifestyle changes and this is a big ticket item when you're no longer tied down.
Just traded my 2020 F-350 7.3 for a 2020 Tremor with the 6.7 Power Stroke. The diesel rides better, towing my 10k travel trailer is much better with the diesel. I’m getting 4-5 mpg better towing and I’m getting about 20mpg on average not towing. I’m glad I traded up to the diesel.
I think that's what some don't want to talk about. It's about having a better towing experience with a diesel. Same reason for driving a higher end trim, over a base model work trim. Some people are happy to pay more for a better experience.
You also have to consider when the diesel goes into Regen. It greatly affects mileage.Mine stayed in for 8 to ten miles. I get around 15 mpg with mine. I have the 7.3 now and get around 13 doing the same thing with both trucks.
Love my 7.3, never worry about emissions, short trips, or idling other than buying expensive fuel.
Yup, it’s hard to overlook the fuel cost 👍🏾
And no worries of freaking def and all other bs
Yup… Get in, turn the key and go.
I just got the 7.3 and didn't even think about how much I'll save at the pump. It's insane how much diesel is right now (well also insane how much gas is as well)
Remember diesel is more efficient than gas. What do you think?
Great video as always. I never really looked at the sticker on my truck and when I just checked it’s 10800 and 3054 payload and it has the overload spring.
Great video. Love my 2020 7.3 Godzilla. Paid a ton less than. The diesel and don't have to mess with Def fluid. Not to mention my oil changes every 10k are $39.99. Compared to diesel. I can pull 14k and almost 3k in the back bed. Feels line a truck. Love it.
We just got our 7.3L, 4.30 rear end 2022 F350 Lariat that we had ordered back in September 2021. My wife and I really tortured ourselves about going gas vs. diesel, but man are we happy with how that 7.3 performs -- pulling our ~7klb TT with that 7.3 and deep rear end is effortless. I'm sure that the Powerstroke would do even better, but I'm impressed with that 7.3. I totally understand the fuel economy bonus of the Powerstroke, but that 10k$ upcharge is a lot.
You say it straight in your vid when you say that there really isn't a comparison between gas and diesel... We just determined that the gas made more sense for our specific situation as drivers in MN.
Thanks for sharing this 👍🏾
I ordered a 2022 F350 Lariat Tremor 7.3 gas 4.30 on December 1st 2021. As of this morning I have no VIN and no build date.
@@METALITHrevetments oof. Sorry man. Fingers crossed that it's soon.
@@FiliSuperDuty Thanks buddy!
You forgot that he said the up charge for the 7.3 was $2,000. So the net difference was only $8,000.... But who's counting....
This will be awesome to see!! I just arrived to Austin for a week of music, so will have to catch this next week.
I really like my 7.3l gasser!!
Thanks bro! Enjoy and stay safe!
Remember, back in the day, many people used Cads, Lincolns, Buick Electras, (the 60s version of the Roadmaster), and Olds 98s to tow heavy trailers, and they were, of course, gassers.
All boils down to how often and what weight you tow. I had a 2019 6.2 f250 and I tow about 8,000 lbs 4 times a week and it drunk gas like crazy. Due to the economy I was able to trade in the 6.2 and I found 2020 6.7 in Maryland and the note was only a $18 difference. The 6.7 only had 15,000 miles when I purchased, I think it was a sweet deal.
Great video! Answered a lot of questions I had.
Thanks JB!
No problem, thanks Chris 👍🏾
10K up charge, Maint, DEF, Particulate filters, Price of diesel kills the 4 MPG difference my opinion only. I like the diesel and there are probably people out there that have had zero problems with it, but I have never met one. And service after the sale. A buddy of mine had to make an appointment after having problems. closest appointment was about 6 weeks out. And lord the additives, service, filters, Water drain. Just too much! They towed the 2021 f 350 to ford. It was there almost 4 months for a turbo replacement. I think a 7.3 Platinum with 4.30 gears fits my situation. For the saved 8-10 grand I can buy a transfer tank for the bed to avoid gas stations. And I understand Transfer flow is about to come out with a 58-gallon replacement gas tank.
AGREED ON ALL POINTS. MY 06 2500 6L GAS GMC MAKES AN HONEST 8MPG'S IN ALMOST IDEAL CONDITONS. HEAD WINDS AND LONG ASS HILL CLIMBS TAKES IT TO 6. CURRENTLY GAS IS 5 $/GAL. DIVIDE THE 5$ BY THE 8MPGS AND IT COSTS 63 CENTS/MILE TO DRIVE. DEISEL IS, GENERALLY, 6$/GAL. THAT EQUATES TO 60 CENTS PER MILE OF COST JUST FOR FUEL. DEISEL WOULD HAVE TO GET REAL CHEAP OR THE MPG'S 16 OR BETTER TO MAKE SENSE. OTR SEMI GENERALLY MAKE 5MPG'S. AT 6$/GAL THOSE GUYS ARE TAKING A BEATING OF OVER A DOLLAR/MILE
Transfer flow is great for me
Don't forget resale value
For me, all I had to do was look at a diesel truck without the bed on it, man that’s a lot of emissions crap laid out there, bought the 7.3, not going to back.
Exactly. If it wasn't for the modern day emissions on these diesel engines, i'd definitely get one
My work truck is a '21 Duramax, crew cab, utility bed....she's right at 14,000lbs with my tools, ect. I generally run 79 mph (when I can of course. Lol) and I'm getting 13 mpg. I'd say that Ford, with all that power too is doing great. You answered some of my questions....I've been curious about the new 6.7. Great video bud.
I’m getting high 17’s mpg around town with my 21’ 6.7 f250 3.31 ratio. 12-13 mpg when I’m towing our 30ft TT. If I only do highway it’ll get 20-21mpg. The other positive is while towing I fuel at truck stops. Which makes longer trips with the camper a lot easier.
Great video sir! Thank you.👍🏼😎
Good stuff JB. I have been a "diesel guy" since 2002. Still have my 7.3 powerstroke, which has been bulletproof - unfortunately the rest of the truck has pretty much rusted away after 20 years in Wisconsin winters. Looking to buy a 2023 and have determined that the Godzilla is the way to go for me (IF I CAN GET ONE!) I am only hauling an approx.10-11,000# loaded fifth wheel and can't justify the huge extra cost of a new powerstroke, especially with the upside down diesel fuel prices and much higher maintence costs. When I first got into diesels the fuel cost was quite a bit lower than gas. That Godzilla big block with 4.30 gearing and 10 speed trans (same as powerstroke trans per Ford,) is a beast.
Always a great review, I like it because you favor no truck it seems. I have a 2022 Dodge quad cab diesel, HO, limited, mated with an Aisin transmission, 3.73 rear end dually. I wish I knew how my truck compares to others. I KNOW the diesel break is unmatched. I don't drive much and I probably should check out your video's to see if you done a number's test. THANKS, always love watching your video's.
The transmissions look the same but are different inside. Different converter and clutch pack to handle the torque of the diesel.
Great video! This is exactly what I was looking for without even typing anything in the search bar. I like all the details you put into your videos. Do you have a same comparison for a diesel f350 vs gas f350? Looking to full time in a 5th wheel. Currently am in a travel trailer and want to get a diesel f350 for extra payload.
Good video JB! I really believe that it comes down to your intent, what you plan on using the truck for. As someone planning on pulling a travel trailer and just by observation I don’t believe a diesel is necessary (Though there are light weight 5th wheels that a 2500 diesel could pull, but so could a 2500 Gasser with a better payload). A 2500 Gasser would do the job just as well in my estimation! Knowing there will be a difference in fuel economy and power I would need to adjust in speed, route planning and other areas. No matter what you get the driver is going to compensate in order to equal things out as best as they could to maximize fuel. At this juncture I am undecided if the/my diesel is worth $8000-$10,000 more than a Gasser? Keep up the great videos!
Good stuff brother, thanks for sharing 👍🏾
I really love the gas and would do anything that that I need it for the only way I would get a diesel is if I was a farmer or doing hot shot and just towing heavy loads every day if you tow on weekends and not every day then for sure getting that gas it's nice too and those new gas trucks can do alot more I've seen it I'm action
Great video and comparison. I'm looking at 2023 F-350 and I'm really torn between the diesel and the 7.3. Gas is less expensive per gallon and operating/maintenance costs on the 7.3 will cost less over time. The diesel though with over 1k pounds of torque is very impressive and hard not to consider. I'll be using this truck to plow and tow a boat and a trailer occasionally none of which will come close to the maximum towing capacity or gvwr. Decisions, decisions.... Right now I'm leaning slightly towards the 7.3 since it will do everything I'll need it to and will be easier on the wallet.
Towing at load the issue. If unladen and short runs, gas all the way. If consistently laden and long highway runs, diesel. Gasser will have lower maintenance costs. Diesel will outlast gasser if well maintained and used a lot on the road
After you remove all def BS and that cost a considerable amount
good content bro, you should have way more subs
Thanks Tristan 👍🏾👍🏾
Nice video. Getting the 7.3. The cost benefit of the 7.3 is just too high. Would love that diesel, though. 😂
Thanks for the comparison. I wish the big 3 made around a 4 to 5 L diesel for an 250 and 350 like the do for the 3.0L for the half tons. A midsize diesel would be great for RVers where a 150 3.0L is too small and a 250 6.7 is overkill and don’t want a gasser.
Need to do a video of cost of ownership for both. No doubt the diesel is the way to go on heavy loads but if your pulling a 16k camper the cost favors the 7.3....break out a calculator and run the numbers....the 7.3 is more cost effective and becomes more so as the spread between diesel any gas costs get greater. Include all maintenance costs and DEF as well.
At 16,000 lb, how much more is a 250 supposed to tow? I would think the diesel would outshine shine the 7.3 the heavier the towing job would be
I would go with the 7.3 gasser. This truck will be more than enough for the majority of the work required by 3/4 ton truck owners. Unless you are towing heavy for a living, this will easily tow your 5th wheel camper anywhere you need to go for the weekend warrior. Gas is much less expensive than diesel which cancels out a lot of the 6.7's fuel milage advantage as far as fuel costs per mile. Then there is the $8K additional price at purchase not to mention the added costs of diesel maintenance. Buy what makes you happy, but more $$ in my pocket makes me happy.
Diesel fuel is currently $2.20/gallon more than gas in NH, I had my bulk tank filled last week for $5.75/ gallon. My 2012 F 550 gets 10 MPG with the 6.7L diesel. I am thinking of replacing it with a 2023 F 600 with the 7.3L gas engine, which is the base engine.
Have a tenant who has a small construction company. He purchased 3 new 2021 F250 6.7, all three had engine replacements well within the warranty period. All turbos went out and 2 trans (10 speed I believe). He’s a die hard Ford guy too. He switched over to Ram, reluctantly. They had to end up relying on a 99 F250 when all 3 were in the shop at the same time. Hopefully Fords redesign in 2023 fix a lot of the issues. I love Fords myself, but I’m holding out to see how the new engine fares.
Hi JB - BTW - as I mentioned a while back we purchased our 2020 F350 6.7L based on your video from Century Ford of a Tremor - we have a LB CC F350 FX4 and am I averaging 20.8 mpg right now (over 100 miles) driving around Maryland (ie: beltway, Rt.83, I70). We have the 3.55 and a Platinum with a heavy B&W 5th wheel hitch in the back. Towing we get 9-12mpg depending on speed and wind.
That’s awesome, thanks for sharing! Did you buy from Century?
@@JB_WhoWork Yes I did - March of 2020! Got a great truck at a very good price too!
great review. Just got a 2021 F250 Tremor 7.3
You out in the Mt Airy area?
I’m currently in UT
My Ram order has not moved in 3 months and I had no timeline for production. This gave me a chance to shop around and check out the other competitors. The minute I got into the cab and saw the backseat of the F350, my mind was made up. When Ram puts the 1500 cab on the HD's I will be back, but until then, I'm gonna run the Ford.
I liked driving my 2020 F350 platinum powerstroke. It was a lot of fun and love the sound, but the other issues put me back into a Ram.
Yup, RAM has better Powertrain overall and I think the transmission though it is clunky, really does help a lot better with braking 👍🏾
Everyone concerned about fuel economy on a $70k to $90k truck. Funny stuff.
For the first time in 30 years that I can recall, I had the chance to move around, cuz I had a spotter job, a couple late model Dodge Ram 350 trucks that were Towing heavy forklifts. He's had a Cummins engine according to the emblem on the side of the front quarter panel.
It's amazing how plush the suspension is and comparable to my dad's 1979 Cadillac DeVille. I'm starting to see where a lot of the cost of these trucks are coming from now. Probably more comfortable than the Toyota Solara I'm driving.
I was never able to get the vehicles up to even 30 mph. But I will say that I hardly noticed the forklift behind them. I suppose if I was going uphill trying to merge on an expressway it would be more detrimental than just putting around a parking lot. I'm also amazed how easy it is to back up those shorter trailers with a pickup truck.
Bottom line: I understand now while some semi truck drivers semi-retired use a pickup truck to haul stuff. May not make the same money but boy is it much more of a luxurious ride.
Big truck guy and car like my GM’s but fords r cool to.
The thing with a diesel is most people will never use what they have. Iv done a lot of hauling with my 11 Silverado 2500. Talking 25,000 pound loads could i of used more power ya. Did i make it to scrap yard and back no problem.
A better comparison would be a 7.3 with a pro charger on it. Because only big advantage i see is the turbo on a diesel. Wasnt for turbo on power stroke 7.3 would spank it. Gas engines cheaper to buy more reliable les to maintain. But if ur going to do lot of heavy hauling just want to buy stock off the lot then diesel will be ur best option for sure.
Great video
Thanks
Josh G
Guess no brea-in period for them two trucks. When I got my F-250 with the 7.3 I fallowed the break-in period per the user manual. $57,000 is a lot of money and if you want to make it to 500,000 miles you better fallow the break-in procedure Diesel or gas.
I have a 2016 6.7, it tows my 7000 lb trailer effortlessly anywhere. Engine braking is a real plus. Yes cost of maintenance is high but a well maintained 6.7 can go a long way with minimal problems.
7.3 is an overall winner. Diesel is over 1.5 more/gal in NC and most places. With the 8-9K more to get the diesel up front plus the cost of maintenance, fuel and DEF you will never get your money back. I just watched a guy pull 27K with the 7.3 Godzilla and did pretty well. I think for the average person that it doesn't make sense to spend the extra money on the 6.7 Powerstroke.
Yah-
-I would never guess a gas engine would be competitive to a diesel engine for roughly the same displacement pulling 27,000 lb. I thought for sure this would be where the diesel would outshine the gas engine.
27,000 pounds is over halfway to what most tractor-srmi trailers can net haul: 42-45#k..
@@michaeldunagan8268 it’s definitely a capable engine. I got the Ford 6.8 V10 in my Motorhome and love it. Plenty of power for 99% of the time.
A measly 4 mpg advantage for $10k upcharge AND higher maint costs for life AND worse reliability? No thanks, definitely not worth it, especially if you don't really need the extra capability. I think a lot of non-commercial HD truck buyers just want bragging rights for all that torque, whether or not they actually need that much torque. I was seriously considering a F250 powerstroke to haul a slide-in camper, until I did the math on long term fuel and maint cost. The 7.3 makes far more sense to me.
You can't compare anything to the 2020 and up powerstroke its just an absolute monster! And a true joy to drive
Good comparison bro! We are finishing up a 5k mile trip. Many many fill ups! Going through truck stop diesel lanes is easy with a fifth wheel. The few times we had to use a mom and pop gas place was a pain. ( me trying to stretch out a 31 gallon tank didn’t always work out lol) The ones that pull in toward the building are the worst. I don’t know how people who pull long tall loads frequently with gas engines do it. Although at one truck stop we did see an RV gas lane. So fingers crossed for the gasser crowd for fuel options. Also we followed a newer 7.3 F250 and long TT down the East exit of Yellowstone and he had to ride the brakes for 5 miles. There is no way I’d do gas and tow in real mountain terrain. Mpg is about range and cost for me.🇺🇸💪
Wow great points bro, you don’t always here people talk about it but so many people damage their fifth wheel or TT going through the car aisles for fuel. Sometimes it’s too tight to maneuver and Having to pull off to let your brakes cool is no fun at all… 👍🏾👍🏾
Yes both transmission are the same, I love my 2020 6.7, and I get 23 mpg highway long trips empty. And the engine brake saves on tire brakes
I went with Michelin Defenders on my 350 because of the all around and great towing use. They're quiet, insane in the snow, last forever, smooth and and great alternative to the more rugged looking tires that are louder. That said, I do prefer the look of the Wrangler or even the Michelin ATX over the Defender. The Defender appears a little small in the Ford wheel wheel, but the performance is better than any tire I've used.
I really like my Toyo open country tires on my F350. I will be going with them again.
I got 100,000 Highway miles on defenders on my f250
I only found your video in May of 2023 after seeing at my Ford Dealership side by side 2 F350 dually 4x4 crew cabs( I only prefer regular single cabs and 4x2 rwd trucks). The 6.7 powerstroke was an XL vinyl floor and cheaper cloth seats was $66k and.....the 7.3 gas was an XLT trim was $60,500....so basic payment calculator can be formulated off of that. Thats assuming such inventory is available in your area. I dare not even gaze upon lariat....King Ranch or Limited trim level packages, for an extra 10 to 12k or 15 grand upgrade.....just a basic XLor XLT will do the trick just fine.
JB says he likes the fuel economy of the Power Stroke, but with diesel fuel costing $1.30 more than gas, it actually costs more to drive the Power Stroke! I looked up the average cost of gas and diesel in Atlanta on today's date, which is $3.45 for gas and $4.75 for diesel. Using the mpg figures achieved in this video at 13.8 mpg for the 7.3L and 18.1 mpg for the 6.7 Power Stroke on a 500 mile trip, it would cost, for gas, $125 to drive the Ford 7.3L Godzilla those 500 miles, while the Ford 6.7L Power Stroke would require $131.20 for diesel, even though it gets 4.3 mpg better mileage, according to this video. So the Power Stroke does cost more for fuel if these mpg figures hold up and the cost of gas and diesel stay the same. However, that doesn't take into consideration the additional $8,000 premium one pays upon purchase for that glorious, power chugging diesel engine, and all the required emissions controlling devices that may one day be the origin of its demise.
QUESTION: What plows snow better gas or diesel???
Honestly depends what your towing if your towing 10k + pounds on a regular basis I'd say go diesel if not save the 8 grand and the Payload go 7.3
Not having exhaust brakes while going downhill with a 12k trailer will make you regret that decision for every mile.
The only way if ram would be a true competitor if they put a 10 speed with the HO Cummins ☺️. But it would be amazing if ford bring back the 7.3 powerstroke as a Highout put v8 to put ram on its feet .
I daily drive a 2011 f350 6.7 reg cab. It averages 16.5 with a 2inch lift and AT tires driving empty/conservatively.
Would you go back and buy a gas if you could? I have an opportunity to put money down on a 250 now. One lariat 7.3 and a diesel xlt. They're about same cost not sure which route to go. I definitely don't need a diesel but since the cost is comparable to the other truck I am considering.
It is absolutely insane how much more it cost to repair and maintain a diesel than it does a big Ole v8 gas burner. I work for gm on the service side of things and I don't think I could ever own a modern diesel without warranty. They are amazing workhorses no doubt. But the big gm gas 3/4 ton and 1 ton literally never have big expensive maintenance bills, it's actually amazing because their 1/2 ton gas trucks are turds.
In my further opinion, trade in or salvage price has to come into the equation: it's not just about fuel.
Historically, diesels usually command a better resale probably because for the same displacement those engines will last longer. Is the 7.3 gas a game changer where it can last as long as the diesel? If not, then this mitigates some of the $8,000 difference.
The proof is in the pudding most contractors are dumping their diesels and buying 7.3’s. If you work a truck hard and you’re not towing over 20,000 pounds 7.3 is the way to go. It’s gonna last longer it’s a lot easier to fix it does give you more payload capacity you don’t ever have to worry about being Derated and having 50 miles to go before you’re limited to 5 miles an hour.For someone who wants the ultimate power the 6.7 is always better.The real world is 7.3 only gets one to 3 miles per gallon worse than a 6.7 wait till the 6.7 goes to a regen cycle The mpg on that tank will drop. If you’re gonna drive it personally I understand the diesel but if you’re gonna let employees run it you’re way better off with a 7.3.
A gas engine outlasting a diesel engine of the roughly same displacement-
-I don't know if I can go there... Please elaborate.
I’ve had trucks and rv’s for over 45 years. My current f350 has a 7.3 & 3:73 rear. I tow a 7600# TT. With 5600 miles on the clock I ave 13 empty around town and 17 on the frwy. On a 4k trip from the PNW to AZ and back I averaged 10.3. Camping friend with 2 yr old GM diesel & similar TT averaged 1.5 mpg better on same trip. He has more tq up long steep hills but I have no issues at all keeping up and I’m not straining a bit. Ultimately I bought the truck to tow so empty mpg mean nothing to me. So for ME the 7.3 made a lot more sense.
Wow the 7.3 doesn't win against a f150 3.5tt. 8500#tt avg 10.8mpg. 18avg city/highway without towing.
@@Metal_Stacking 3.5 aint getting that towing first off, second off f250 platform pulls, stops, and handles loads ALOT better than a 1/2 ton could ever dream
@@javadose317 You tow a 8500 lbs tt with a 3.5 ecoboost?
@javadose317 fyi I have a f350 6.7 as well. The superduty is far superior on stability. Acceleration and breaking about equal between the 2.
For towing torque counts, not horsepower. So the diesel is hands down the best tower. In addition, the higher fuel economy will help pay for the extra cost of the diesel over a lot of miles. However, that is not the determining factor if you are carrying, or towing, heavy loads. It's high torque that allows the truck to perform so well.
Diesel is $1.50 more per gallon where I’m at. So the better diesel MPG is negated by the diesel fuel cost.
I’m seeing where gas is starting to really creep up as well in some cases. If I owned a 7.3L, I would probably run 89 while towing especially if I was towing heavy 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork heck I run 87 here. Gas just hit $5.00 a gallon yesterday. I drove the wife’s Kia Optima to the bowling alley!! Sad day 😫
Yea it’s tough out here, everyone is going and buying a $50k electric car 😵
@@JB_WhoWork 🤣😂🤣😂
@@JB_WhoWork Wait till the battery goes south. Will cost as much as the car.
With the price of fuel continuing to go up, that $8K upgrade price for the diesel getting ~4 mpg better mileage gets easier to swallow, even more so if you do a lot of towing.
and you get your 8k back on resale..
I love my Chevy 2020 6.6 gas 6 speed it will cheaper to rebuild 6 speed transmission then a 10 speed.
I did the calculation for gas vs diesel prices for where I live today and it would take 351,000 miles to break even on that diesel engine. That doesn't count the extra costs for DEF and other higher cost maintenance items. From a cost perspective, you can only justify the diesel if you're going to be towing more than you can safely tow with the gas engine. For the average person, the 7.3 is the way to go.
Owning a diesel now I could not, or would not ever go back to gas even if I wasn't towing.
Can you give examples why you would buy diesel over gas even if you didn't need to diesel? I'm considering a 6.7 vs 7.3 now
do you know the 6.7 also has sport mode?
I want to know what gear ratio was in the 7.3
What's your ratings for each brand :) in Diesels
it's funny reading the comments. i have a 1993 7.3 idi.f250 4x4. live at the beach so 2nd body and everything else is toast at 349700. however put .81 tons of gravel in the bed back in the day and she didn't squat! pulled a grand wagoner from central n.j. to nags head n.c. As i recall i didn't notice any change in fuel consumption. Still love my old 7.3 idi, the truck is geared so low(manual) i csn go down the beach road at 35mph in 5th( overdrive). she is more of a tractor. Found memories of my girl sitting next to me on the bench seat while the labs are in the back while driving on the beach! not jealous of the new 6.7s. it is the obs fords that get my attention when im on the road.
To answer your transmission question. I believe Ford puts the same 10r140 transmission in the Super Duty trucks.
As a side note regarding the extra cost of the diesel. First, most people aren't going to own it long enough to break even on the mpg difference. Plus you have more expensive oil changes, DEF, and fuel filters that need regular changing. Cost of ownership is higher. You will makeup the $10K price difference when you go to sell. You don't buy the diesel to save money. You buy it to work hard. I wouldn't go back to a gas just for the diesel engine brake, never mind the power.
Last week I had the oil and filters changed in my 6.7 D at a dealer and the bill was $514.00! Love the pulling torque but this may be getting to expensive to maintain for me. How does the 7.3 handle loads around 13-15K?
@@jackwantit9101 sorry for the late reply. I just saw this. First, your dealer is expensive. Mine is under $350 for The Works and fuel filters on the 6.7. I mostly do it myself though. $65 for Motorcraft filters on Amazon and maybe around $80 for Motorcraft filters and oil at Walmart.
Why do they have light duty tires on a hd truck??
We have both if do a lot of miles per year or pull 15k 6.7 all day fuel is 30-50 cents cheaper per gallon than Gas . Not counting 6.7 gets 5-6 mpg over are 7.3 . We are waiting to see if the maintenance cost are worth it when both hit 200,000 .
$8,000.00 extra, and having to deal with DEF and all that other crap? I say the gasser is a better bet.
👍👍I think it’s great that they let you drive them considering the price of fuel. I would rather have that older F-250 with the wooden side boards
Would've liked to hear more comparison points than just instant mpg. How long will it take to recoup the mpg savings from the diesel? Diesel fuel cost a lot more than gas these days. We never saw the payload difference between the two trucks although you said it was higher. Given that they're both 3/4 ton trucks, how much of a difference is there in GCVRW? Maybe this comparison can be revisted with two non-dealer trucks hooked up to a trailer to see a more real world comparison.
yes diesel cost more up front, but you get your money back on resale, and still save on fuel..
@@johnrose7212 That depends on where your at. Do you real save on diesel vs gas? Right now diesel is about $1.40 more than reg unleaded. You might go a few more mpg but that fill at the pump is gonna sting. And yes diesels hold there value at resale, but the money you spend owning one cancels it out. Gassers dont have to worry with deleting emissions, bulletproofing, disaster kits, just to be reliable. Regular maintenance is gonna cost more too. 14-16 qt oil changes add up. I own and like my diesel, but it is not a cheap vehicle to own.
I have heard of companies that have switched from diesel to gas trucks. Because they found out to make money it cheaper to run gas trucks. Now if a person is running hot shot and over mountain highways and hauling heavy loads then diesel would be the way to go. Diesel engines are to expensive to maintain. I have both gas and diesel. The reason I bought a diesel was because I found a garage kept low mileage older truck in very good condition for a very good price. A 2001 Chevy 2500HD LB7 Duramax 90,800 miles. it get 22+mpg highway and 15-16 mpg city almost twice as much as my 2004 Chevy 3500 8.1 gas 4.10 gears
Ordered an F-350 7.3L 3.73 axle in December to occasionally tow our 8K travel trailer between April - October. I'm still waiting on it to go into production. It all really depends on how you are going to use it. Diesel would be stupid for me as this truck will be my daily driver, and I live only 10 minutes from work. The engine would never get up to operating temperature if I opted for the diesel.
This is great info 👍🏾
Hey could you get an app for your phone, so you could do a more accurate 0-60 time.
6.7 0-60 test. Start with normal drive mode. Punch the stability/ traction button rapidly twice, It will ask if you want sport mode. Say ok. Then stomp on it!
How much can each truck tow?
A body has to be an absolute ram fan to go buy the cummins over powerstroke, especially with that boring combo of the low output and 68 tranny,,,or spend more to have to get a one ton.
Im sure plenty will argue, but the only thing i see is ram being competitive as far as the interior goes.
The diesel transmission has different clutch packs and a couple other minor differences than the gas Super Duty 10 speed. The gas SD 10 speed has almost nothing similar to the F150 10 speed.
Sport mode does nothing for that 7.3.
Put it in deep sand / snow with an unlnowing passenger and let her eat.
diesel costs more the maintenance is more im lowkey looking at ditching my diesel and thats why im looking.
What was the payload available for the gas vehicle? You showed the door sticker on the diesel only.
Sorry about that, I did other videos on that truck and I compared it to this lariat:
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The payload should be mentioned in this video of that exact truck
You need to involve DEF with diesels. Money and the maintenance cost that you won’t ever see with a gas job. I am not a hater. My personal truck is a gas and my work truck is a diesel. I would never use a diesel as a daily driver. But I would use a gas truck as a work truck. Diesel are nice but they are expensive especially when you have a break down. I have a diesel mechanic that works for me so it’s not as bad.
I just LOVE the sound of a diesel engine, but the extra maintenance, complication, regen, DEF, and all that keeps me from buying one. Maybe someday I'll build an OBS 7.3 powerstroke or 1st gen Cummins as a toy, but the worktruck will stay gas-powered.
I recently bought a 2020 f250 tremor with the 7.3 gasser .Now obviously this was a used vehicle with 29000 miles. Bought it in march and only had it until middle of may before the transmission totally took a crap on me while pulling a 32 foot cargo trailer. It’s been at the deale since then waiting on a new transmission. Not impressed at all with the 10 speeds. Very disappointed
ouch. The 10 speeds worry me. I love my 6 speed in my 15.
In my opinion, unless you're towing 10,000 pounds or more, it's going to be rough to justify the cost of a diesel engine. If this were back in the year 2000 when diesel engines didn't have all this emissions crap, I wouldn't be so confident saying this.
You also have to take the difference in the cost per gallon into account. We also have to know if the 7.3 requires high octane fuel which is over a dollar per gallon difference where I live in Chicago land. An algebraic equation Could be $G ÷ mpg = $D ÷ mpg
Here on September 1st, 2022, the 7-Eleven gas station has 87 octane gas for about $4.37 and diesel fuel for about $5.29. there's county taxes in addition to state taxes and federal taxes which is why it's so expensive here.
The MATH!
7.3L
$4.37 ÷ 13 = 33.6154¢ per mile fuel cost
6.7L
$5.29 ÷ 16 = 33.0625 per mile fuel cost.
33.6154 - 33.0625 = 0.5504.
You have to drive a hundred miles just to save 55 cents.
Now Read It and weep as the truth hurts:
$8,000 extra money for the diesel engine ÷ 0.5504 fuel cost savings per mile = 1,453,488 miles to be driven to breakeven on the initial purchase price cost
I'm not including running maintenance costs or salvage value cost end of life as a diesel engine may have a longer life. I'm just looking at the difference in fuel costs comparison to recover the $8,000 difference in engine price.
.EDIT: I am reminded of the DEF situation too by those that have left comments on this video so that's going to further exasperate the break-even point for the diesel as now the diesel price per gallon must go up at the price of the DEF which is usually one gallon of DEzf per 40 gallons of diesel.
And watch the diesel fuel mileage go down if you have to do a Regen.
This is The Truth that people don’t want to hear and or don’t understand. I love your comment the most of all that’s on here. It takes years and mileage to “make all of that money back.” Another channel called Wandering Weekends did a comparison, and explained why he went from a diesel back to a gas. (6.7 to 7.3) He ran his numbers and calculated that it would be 15-20 years. I forgot how many miles,…but I know it was a lot.
Definitely the Diesel love the torque and the power for sure.
You definitely recoup the price difference when it comes to resale value.
The Diesel for me! The engine has been out for over 11 years now. Its incredibly refined! I get on average 18.2-5 mpg with regular driving. And i feel like i could pull the devil out of hell with it power! Dont get a superduty if you aint gettin the diesel … get a 5.0 f150
Out for 11 years and a bad CP4 pump can cause a repair bill 3x the price of a complete turn key 7.3l crate engine.
My 2020 f350 with aluminum work body is slow as fuck until it gets past 5th gear then it just rolls, pulling the 11k trailer makes no difference it still rolls.
Same transmission
Honestly the diesel is nicer. As a company truck I love it because I don’t have to pay for it’s service and fluids. If I was buying one. I would buy a 7.3 gas f550. When you putting 10,000-20,000 a month on a truck service prices kills you.
Depends on your towing world…..if you are in construction or other similar job, yes, diesel is only way to go because you reflect the cost of a diesel into your services if your smart. As to the occasional tow of a RV or boat or even a trailer with a tractor or other equipment, the 7.3 far abounds in current day cost. Diesel will never come back in check. Factor in a diesel cost more to maintain then a quality diesel mechanic is like a heart surgeon, then you figure out why gas today is the no-brainer. Once again, no business to get the cost of a diesel back, go gas. I pull my fiver easily with my 7.3 gas with 3:55 gearing.
7.3L w/ 3.55 gears is my choice.
Do you mind explaining the difference in gear sizes?
@@michaelmason3883 3.55 is geared toward better mpg. The 4.3 gears have more grunt, but worse MPG. I've heard some say that the 7.3 with 3.55 gears leaves someone towing, wishing for more power.
Good comparison of the two trucks. I’m definitely no ford fan but I’ll give credit to ford for offering several options. With that said though they really should just make the 7.3 standard instead of charging a good amount more money for it.
Also I say it every time but that 4.30 is completely unnecessary with the 10 speed in the 7.3. Completely, utterly unnecessary.
Thanks Matthew, I hope RAM teams up with Cummins to build that gas 6.7 Cummins! That would be pretty awesome to see side by side against the 7.3L. I Figure 8 speeds would be enough.
The 4.30 gives you maximum performance if you’re climbing grades but I will level with you, in Florida, the 4.30 would be unnecessary 👍🏾
I would disagree with the comment regarding the 4.30 rear -- we pulled our 7klb TT with my buddies' 3.73 F350. Although the 3.73 did awesome, the 4.30 in my 2022 F350 is noticeably gutsier on takeoff... at least from my perception. The 4.30 rear was a 400$ option that is cost prohibitive to upgrade later on, so I'd recommend people get the deepest rear possible if they are factory ordering. If what you find on the lot is a 3.73, though, freakin' go for it -- you can't go wrong either way.
@@FiliSuperDuty if it’s what you want then get it for sure but it’s defeating the purpose of the 10 speed transmission. JB did a good comparison on this with a Ram a few months ago. He had a 6.4 with a 4.10 and a 3.73. Turned out the 3.73 was faster in his acceleration test and got better fuel mileage.
The shorter gear is going to have to shift faster in the lower gears and I think that’s why in his case it was slower. Now granted it was close and without seeing the speedometers side by side you probably wouldn’t notice the difference. Pulling out from a stop on a steep grade then sure, the 4.30 will be better. But I just think that’s a very niche argument when the 10 speed has such short and close ratio low gears. 7th gear is direct drive in the 10 speeds so more than likely that’s where they are going to want to be for towing. That will lock the converter to help with heat. With a 4.30 you are going to be really turning the rpm’s in that case.
It makes a difference when you have 12# hooked to it in traffic. I love the truck at times I do think the a 373 ratio would be good.
@@matthewanderson9912 was he towing in the comparison? Or just the trucks? I would argue there is a difference between torque on take off vs speed on take off -- by sheer physics alone that 4.30 is going to give you the max torque on take off, regardless of what sort of trans it is mated to. But yeah, the modern transmissions are slick. Whether 3.73 or 4.30 you can't go wrong.