STOP- Before you Mud over Torn Drywall Paper, WATCH THIS, part 1 of 2
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- DON'T JUST MUD OVER TORN DRYWALL PAPER! You NEED TO Pre-Treat it.
You can fix torn brown paper on walls or ceilings, but you have to do it right or you'll get BAD Sheetrock Paper Bubbles. DON'T DO ANYTHING ELSE until you watch this video. Torn drywall paper repair needs to be done right or it will cause you a lot of grief. But it's not hard to fix right with the right products and techniques. (***New info, I've found that spray shellac works well, and spray adhesive)
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Pride in workmanship! Wish all drywall contractors had your work ethic . 👍God bless you and your family.
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Good video, I am a painter at a MLB stadium and I deal with drywall damage everyday. I use Gardz on all my drywall patches. The most important tool I own is a heat gun. I force dry the Gardz, then force dry 5, 20 or 40 minute mud, a skim of topping, repaint and on to the next patch. My crew prides themselves on undetectable patching. Our biggest compliment is when fans ask "what do you do here all year?, we don't see anything that needs painting", if they only knew....
I use Gardz even when I don't really need it especially over a skim coat because I don't trust the primer alone. I use Gardz followed by a primer(redundant I know). It's overkill but makes for a nice hard surface. This is in a house, of course if it was a large stadium it would not be cost effective. I am finding out the hard way why my dad put wallpaper EVERYWHERE. To cover up nail pops. It's a 1950's house and I used about 400 screws at this point next to nail pops. Tedious as hell tapping the old nails in.
@@pdrey100 I use Gardz as a sealer over patches sometimes but we usually use the paint as a primer and finish. Its not the best approach but its the approach that works. If it is a large patch, say anywhere from 4 to 10 square feet then we would apply a coat of PVA or a universal primer. But the small patches just get a coat of paint. We might not get back to an area the same day, so at least the patch has paint on it rather than a coat of primer. We do a lot of touch ups as the time frame doesn`t allow us to follow truly professional standards. Stadiums leak, thousands of fans and staff on site the Stadium takes a beating. Quantity over quality is the norm....
@@xbrizzcakez I wonder if they kick or punch the walls if the home team loses......job security.
@@pdrey100 that would be the players,lol
@@xbrizzcakez The fans too. I remember the Mets had a closer(John Franco) that you could have a 10 run lead in the final inning and he would give up 9 runs. It was nerve wracking, but I never punched the walls as most of them were concrete anyway.
As a professional, for me, regular or odorless oil primer and even BIN primer has worked out perfectly. No problems what so ever. For the fumes, I use respirator and good ventilation. No explosions luckily 🤣
Great video as always, Guy!
I’ve used Zinsser Cover-Stain or BE1-2-3 in a rattle can in a pinch for torn drywall paper. I have a can of Gardz I’m gonna use for some torn paper I had during popcorn ceiling removal.
For years (really decades) I have used a similar method with perfect results but I use KILZ Primer over the exposed paper instead of Pro-999. Seals the area up great. Then mud to fill in the area, feathering as needed.
I am trying to repair a badly damaged moisture wall from Hurricane Ida cat4.to the front wall of my home. The wall rapidly developed into Mold spots all over it 1-1/2 days after storm .....destroying the Gypsum paper...some of it black and mildew spots all over the brown gypsum paper. I decided to pull that awful paper off because it is 50 yrs old and lokked bad even after treating it with Hydrogen Peroxide and Concrobium. No more mold in the wall but it still looks very dirty. with left over spotting. Am i doing the right thing by pulling it off since it is crumbled and parts of sheetrock in a crumble state? The paper did not look good to salvage since it is 50 yrs old. And it could be an additional health hazard with more storms rolling in every season. After the water remediation team said there was no more mold , i am starting the repairs to the wall. Is it okay to use Kiltz to the sheetrock to discourage the Mold from seepting through? One person said they used Kiltz as the primer before mudding and liked it. Also to conclude, i cannot pull the sheet rock out to put new shtrock because it is cemented to the brick of the house and it would cause structural damage to brick of house. So i am doing my best to repair it. Thanks for any encouragement.
How many times should you coat it?
Awesome video! Thank you for your service. Framer, turned mud and taper when I switched companies. I’m a “carpenter” for a comercial contractor. We modernize elevators, so sometimes we have to patch drywall holes in lobbies, as well as hanging drywall in machine rooms, tape, mud, paint the whole 9 yards. I’ve been learning so much, and I deal with these tears all day. In a machine room, it doesn’t matter so much, but our patches in a lobbie areas have to be pristine. Thank you, now I have another technique in my arsenal.
I'm just a girl, but my husband taught me how to mud on a 65 ft. Mobie home..paneling through out..I mixed DW compound with Plaster of paris..Filled every grouve in that trailer..It held up with a 60 mi truck over the mountains and resetting up for someone we were just flipping homes at the time. But I learned but I also fell in love with it! ! Happy that I found you I'm always looking to learn more and more about everything that has to do with home repair so you're great thanks so much for all you've given us
That’s awesome Tracy. I’ve got a sister who is the same height as I am, 6‘2“, and she has done pretty much every phase of drywall, so there is nothing wrong with women doing this too.
@Todd lol, no of course not. But my height has always been an advantage because I can stand flat-footed and reach an 8 foot ceiling so it does make it a lot easier, so my sister could also do the same. I was just making a general comment that I thought would be interesting because there’s not too many women out there that are her height. And she used it to her advantage doing drywall for a while. But short men or women can do it just fine you just have to wear stilts or use a ladder more often
I am a handyman. Doing it full time for 15 years. I resent the handyman comment at the start. Like you I take pride in my work because I want people to call on me again.
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I honestly can’t remember how I said it, but I try to never label everyone into one group. But the truth is I have seen thousands of attempts by handyman that have failed at Drywall despite good intentions, and that is mostly due to not having the proper instruction. Many have learned from watching some of the TV shows which often show really lousy methods. Drywall is an art that not everyone can figure out. There are some drywaller‘s that are lousy at repairs also.
I have a good friend that is a handyman, but he mostly does very high-quality work like laminate flooring, etc. And he is very conscientious about doing good quality work. But he has helped me with Drywall and his skills are not that high but he is always working on it. So I apologize, I didn’t mean to label all handyman as doing low quality work. I will try to watch how I say that or anything similar in the future. Thank you for pointing that out.
@@ThatKiltedGuyDIY I`ll back you up on your comment, We use drywall contractors at work that do excellent work, but when it comes to patches or marrying old to new surfaces they don't seem to know how to "treat" the old surfaces before mudding, bubbling and paper de-laminating is fairly common. A lot of painters for that matter don`t spend the time to prepare the damaged drywall for the repair.
@@ThatKiltedGuyDIY great response
This is great info - thank you sir!
I have found in a pinch when you do not have a sealer on hand for the paper repair you can also use thinned out wood or craft glue to seal before making the repair.
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Instead of using R-35 primer, which I have used for years to prep for hanging wall covering I prime the prepped out drywall paper area with Bin primer. This is a white pigmented shellac based primer. Nothing will seal and lock down the drywall paper better. Because it’s a shellac based product, it will resist causing any future bubbling that you may get with a latex based primer such as R-35. That’s my go to product for The 40 plus years that I’m in the trade. Love your videos so keep up the great work.
I've been a fan of Gardz for this for years. Works great and is fast.
Its called Gardz and yes it works really well.
20+ year painter and drywaller. In my state painters are the drywall finishers. I use rattle can lacquer to solve this problem. Essentially all you're doing is sealing off the paper so it can't absorb the water in the drywall mud. Lacquer dries so quickly you can mud over the patch almost seconds after applying and not having to wait for the water based primer to fully dry. Being painters, we have rattle can lacquer all the time. Plethora of products to achieve this same goal but when we're moving for mass production, lacquer serves the least amount of wait time.
What brand and model spray lacquer do you use? Like what do I need to buy from lowes lol
Very helpful video! We recently just pulled bead board down in through our house that the original owners had for char rail. And the glue they used tore the paper all over the place. Luckily we did a great great taking down popcorn and wallpaper, so no fixes there. But gonna have our plates full with rest of the walls. Thank you for you very education video and your professionalism, that his hard to come by now days. I just wish you were in Texas...
I do property maintainence for a few owners of rental buildings. When I see or cause this kinda situation I just hit the spot with primer, ceiling paint, or any other paint that isnt a gloss or semi gloss.. semi or high gloss always make the mud spread weird. Not with any flat or primer. . That has always worked perfect for me..
My dog loves drywall paper. This is a great video.
probably not much nutrition in it.
Been drywalling forty years that's the way I would do it , watched to see what product was used , Thanks
I use Acryl 60 for concrete bonding. It looks similar to what your using here. It's thin and milky. Great video and I'll use your advice. I'm 59 and at the end of my Army trail of 35 years. Hitting my MRD in NOV. I joined late in my mid 20s.
Welcome back! Enjoy the rest, pursue YOUR dreams!
That Pro-999 works miracles. I've used it on large areas of damaged sheet rock. If you roll it, it will re-adhere loose paper. Can't praise that miracle sealer enough!!!
I've always had that problem with torn drywall paper. The bubbling drives me nuts. This is a great tip. Thanks!
I was an apartment complex painter for several years and simplest for me was to take care of any loose paper sticking up edges as you did and perhaps a quick rub a dub with a fin sanding block. I would then use the paint I was painting the room with on a brush that had most of the paint brushed out of it to apply a coat to the paper. Then later light sand the fuzzies off and mud as needed. The trick for this to work is to put the least amount of paint on but enough to barely wet the paper. If you use a roller or a freshly loaded brush you chance wetting the paper too much. This has the advantage of having everything you need at hand ,although I might try a more a more official primer for large areas.
Great video
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and thank you for your service. I have a family member in the AF , F16 and F 35 pilot . AF is the bomb!
God Bless you sir for your service in protecting our country! Thank you Gary Sinese for your help and taking care of our Vets~!!!!! Great information sir.
Sanding sealer works just as well. The company I hung paper and vinyl for supplied us with sanding sealer and many other shops that offer fine decorating uses sanding sealer as well to size the wall before you hang or in this case if you need to make a paper board repair.
Thank you for your Service ! And for this video. I had this exact kind of damage but not too extensive. I'm learning more as each day passes.
Glad i could help
My father once chastised me for saying "hot water heater" rather than just water heater.
"Hot water doesn't need to be heated!" still resonates through my skull.
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Thanks, Guy
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I just create a series of cross hatches with the sharp corner edge of my knife over the area as I go. It causes the mud to get down to the gypsum in the drywall and cuts the surface of the paper so no bubbles form under it. I also use a hot mix on first coat so it dries quick and doesn't lift. Never had a problem.
I have been using Kilz or the other oil based primer for years prepping torn rock or wallpaper that won't come off clean.I am a handyman and it's not a secret how to mud over damage, it takes as many coats as it takes..charge by the job and the coats after 3 coats. Boom 💥 done.
Thank you, Sir! And I can only imagine how you felt looking at your signature on that plane. Wow.
Thanks. It was very cool
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I have run into that a bunch of times over the years Guy. I knew there had to be a way to fix it so I tried and put some oil base kiltz over the brown spots where the face of the rock had come off and low and behold when I bedded over it I was surprised at how well it worked. Now that's been probably 25 years ago. I don't like messing with oil base so I will be giving your stuff a go at it. Thanks again Guy. I'm learning some tricks of the trade thanks to you.
I used to use the shellac primers ... but like you said ... the odor. While I don't mind, the homeowners do. For the last 4 or 5 years I use Dunn Edwards Ultra-Grip primer. Dries super fast and hard, zero VOC and its water based. I always trim or score around it with a blade too. Great video. Thank you for your service.
Just removed some bead board in my kitchen that the previous owners installed. The Sheetrock looks horrible underneath. I like doing projects and I can’t afford to have new Sheetrock put up , so I’m going to try and tackle this myself. Glad I came across this channel and I really enjoyed the tip were you cut the circle around the peeling area to stop it from raising up in other areas and keep peeling
Glad to hear this is what you needed. I think you'll be happy with the results, and Good Luck! 👣😎
Those bubbles on torn drywall are definitely a pita. I scratched my head for awhile trying to solve the mystery to fixing them. Ended up using shellac. Oil-based, it soaks into the layers of paper, locking everything down so you can go ahead with mud.
Great vid! - I've never used those products (I'm not a sheetrock pro, just reno's) What I found works well is a shellac primer - the solvents get it into the paper and seals it perfectly. Haven't had a bubble with it on some pretty good sized "brown outs".
I'm not a pro. I've painted popcorn ceilings and never scraped them with much success. A lot of the time I cover with new sheet rock, or other times I remove the old and start over. I like to cover it because it creates a sound barrier but I think next time I'll try your suggestions.
Hey! I never actually worked on the A7 but it was the system that we were taught on for WCS/INS for the A-10, F-5 and AC-130. And we DID get in a teeny bit of trouble for locking onto flights coming into the Denver airport (the old one). That AFSC was in a constant change the entire time I was in, which made for LOTS of classes that really don't translate into the civilian sector. Take Care!
Yeah, I never figured how I would apply Electronic Warfare to the civilian sector, but now know they would likely have trained me with my existing training, but I got back into drywall, and now I teach it, lol.
@@ThatKiltedGuyDIY And you teach similar to an AF Instructor, too. Thanks for the instructions!
I used the Guardz product a few times. Been happy with that. I wish I had seen the trick about cutting around the damage sooner though. :)
Guardz is the bomb. Not just for drywall problems. It is the best primer for unsealed walls. Even walls that are painted can be not properly sealed. With high quality paint 40 to 60 dollars per gallon Guardz will save you hundreds of dollars in material costs.
Wow. The big guy knows how to fix drywall!!!
I'm also in the construction business. I use guardz it's great! I'm not one of those guys who thinks he knows everything. So I'm always learning..and I've been in it my whole life. Good video.
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Vertigo I have done the Epley maneuver and it has worked for me.
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The primer will work the same as applying joint compound, to see if the sheetrock paper layers are loose because of how you removed the first layer(s). That loose paper layer, just cut it off. Everything has a timing.
I am a lil late to this vid. But first Thank you for your service! And I have 4 rescue kitty's who have decided to start ripping our walls and I could not get a straight answer on how to fix the exposed paper from them tearing off the layers. Thank you for this now I know. Lol 😆 God bless.
I am so happy I discovered your channel, as I have just recently started doing drywall repairs.
AAAAAAAH!!! I end up cutting the section off and add new dry wall (sheet rock). I never knew PRO-999 even exist!! THANKS!!!👍👍👍👍
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Great information, well presented. By the way, I flew the A7-D out of Myrtle Beach in the 70's.
Cool I worked on the EW on those planes ✈️ in the New Mexico ANG, the Taco squadron.
This guy knows what he's talking about but I have yet to finish any of his videos. He just rambles on and repeats itself over and over and over and over and over and over and over. I wish he would just get to the point and share his knowledge. I can condense this video down to 4 minutes and it would be worth its weight and gold. This guy just likes to hear himself talk.
Some people need to hear the little details, others don't. Can't please everyone, but there is a skip button that skips you ahead ... And my newer videos are more to the point. We aren't born youtubers, we learn from our mistakes and experience, kind of like drywall.
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I use a mixture of wood glue and water. Mix it runny like the 999. It may bubble but when 100% dry it can be sanded. A coat of oil based kilz and then skim it with mud and sand. Been doing it for years with no problems.
I would expect most of these products are just pva primers. Wood glue is pva.
1.Wet it down really well.
2.A thin coat of 5 minute mud.
3. Dry fast with a fan.
Another coat or two air will be ready to paint.
Are usually put some fiber tape that helps the mud bond and not create bubbles
My son tore off old paneling on stairway to the basement. I have torn drywall everywhere. So what would you suggest. I'd rather go over it with something than try to fix all the sheetrock. Great video. Thank you.
Thanks for the great video. Thank you Sir for your service to our Country.
Thank you 😎
I've used this product and it works pretty good. However I prefer to square up the damaged area and lay in thin mesh tape. That contains the bubbles 100% every time
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I was just patching a bunch of spots after removing popcorn ceiling texture, and non of it made bubbles yet. Maybe it because it was wet as i scrapped the popcorn or the knife didnt dig deep enough into brown paper. Sometimes after years you forget the little things like this that come back to bite you.
The thing about the brown paper spots is sometimes it’s only 10% of them that bubble. I just treat them all to ensure I don’t have a problem but sometimes you get lucky. I’ve had times when I thought I would get lucky and it backfired though.
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I do patches in new construction and when I run into this I use the 3M spray adhesive I’ve never had a problem
You can also pretreat with taping mud, but it has to be straight out of box put on thin and the rub entire surface with hammer end of 6 inch knife till it starts to blacken. It has to be taping mud not all purpose and only on small tears 6 inches in diameter
Dear Kilted Guy, I'd like to thank you for these excellent instructional videos; they are helping me a lot as I renovate my place and fix the many small booboos in the 40 year old walls. Is there ever a point when you figure it's just better to replace the drywall entirely rather than fixing multiple dips, holes and blemishes? At what level of damage would you decide to just replace the whole drywall? Cheers and all the best!
The only time I would replace the drywall if it was no longer sound, meaning, crumbling and falling apart in large sections, warped, etc.
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I always mud over brown paper never had issues, even years after never seen bubbling by doing that. Different products maybe I'm from Canada and our products are different from the United States
I’ve used this stuff called fiba fuse and it works great
Awesome technique thanks for sharing your knowledge
I use oil base kills spray paint. Dries fast and covers the paper so it doesn't blister.
Sealing with oil primer or caulk always worked for me
First off - thank you so very much for your service. Bravo. Secondly- it’s finally nice to watch someone who knows his stuff. Again , bravo. And thirdly- thanks for the tip about the primer. I didn’t even think of this. YIKES , I may have some warranty repairs in my future. Many thanks and lots of support from civies in Canada. Go army Go ……….kidding.
Hello…..how about a video where you install a new sheetrock wall…… now how do you tape the ceiling corners of the new drywall when there exists a knockdown finished ceiling so when your done it doesn’t show? Any video on that?
I use white pigmented schelac or amber . Kilz will work also
Excellent tips/video! And, more importantly, thank you, Sir, for your service!
I have 26 years experience I found out if you take a sponge and sand the brown paper till it was smooth and hit it with mud and most times it won't bobble
After having fixed around 20,000 brown paper spots, I can tell you that yes, only about 10 to 20% of them will bubble but that’s enough to waste too much time so this way eliminates 99% of the bubbling problem. Thanks for commenting and for subscribing
Zinzler sells a similar product, it basically works like a glue to hold the torn paper pieces down.
That’s Gardz by Zinnser
I use frank's red hot, I put that shi+ on everything.
Burns in some locations
@@rcpmac oh ya, preparation H.
Thank You for your Service, Sir!!
Thank you for your service and the video. I may never do drywall but at least I know that I learned it the right way from you.
It's funny that I came across this video. Over 15 years ago I thought there was a product to fix the bubbling paper missing on drywall. Went to Lowes & Home Depot, asked if there was such a product and they all looked at me as if I were a novice doing drywall, they just laughed me off. After searching the Internet I found Gardz sealer product. Ordered it, and use it all the time. Just wondering why Lowes or Home Depot don't stock it and I order it by the gallons now on Amazon.
Home depot carries the RX-35 in my area, as does Sherwin Williams. Not sure about Gardz but I think someone local does.
Awesome sir… thanks for passing this on !!
Where were you yesterday. I just slapped on spackle widespread without this primer : (
Thank you for your service and this youtube diy tip.
If the previous owners of a house painted over left over wall paper glue and I sanded it with the vacuum dewalt orbital sander to make it smoother, would you put this over the whole wall I had to sand or just over the small amount of areas I hit the first layer of brown drywall paper while sanding?
Thanks!! This Video is soo AWESOME and TRULY HELPFUL!!!!
I use 3M spray tack for corners. For some reason it works. I spray it and mud right away. I spray the brown paper and get to mudding.
I’ve been experimenting with that and it does seem to work. I didn’t want to say anything until I had used it long enough to rule out the fact that sometimes you didn’t even need to treat it as it doesn’t bubble every time.
I have always used spray paint primer . Seals the paper and stops crunches
Very good video. I do it a little different. I cut around the area like you but I pull it off in the entire circle (if small enough) I then lightly sand and the add a skim coat of spackling (just enough to cover the brown paper) and then add a second cost to fill the paper void after it dries within 5 min. Spackling has very little water and dries quickly. The water content with high amounts of water (in my experience) is what causes the waves.
Thank you for your service! Thanks for the video.
I use Kilz and a day prior works great
always heard you need to prime the torn spots of drywall before taping
Products like this work better than primer
I use liquid waterproofing membrane like redgard or similar. Dries in 5 minutes and is the best ridgidizer you can use. Virtually no odor.
Great video, excellent tips. Thanks.
I've always used Oil base spray primer it will seal spot and not allow your water base mud to activate paper. Kilz oil base primer. How does this product smell may try it. Thank you for your service Sir!!
Good video , fellow veteran.
Thanks for your service.
Great video, but I'm not doing any drywall, so I don't know why I'm watching it.
Excellent! Thank you, Sir!
I have found that if you roll it with OIL BASE KILLS PRIMER. TAKES CARE OF THIS
Fiber glass tape over works for me with durabon sandable
Drywall needs to be improved . as a product its quality is a 5 out of 10, Good advice from this pro. Guardz is the stuff i like also, also Draw tite
Oil base primer will work to.