How to REPAIR DRYWALL the EASIEST way for DIY!!!
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- I'm giving away ALL MY TRADE SECRETS in this one!!! In this video I show EVERY STEP from a hole in the wall to a PERFECT PATCH!!
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I love how you call out your own flaws in the work. "Whoops, there's a crumb, oh there's another one," "my blade has a ding that's causing a line in the mud," "ahh, it was looking good until I did THAT." Because it's exactly what we're gonna run into when trying to do it ourselves. You just seem so real, unlike other UA-camrs that seem to do things perfectly and our work is usually anything but. Keep up the great work, I've learned so much from you!
I liked the fact that when he had to go over with more mud, it messed up the mud he had before. Just like I do!
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From January 2020 to April 2020... just WOW! With so many of us quarantined I imagine home projects have become part of our passing the time! I have never attempted any type of drywall repair in my life. Unfortunately a plumbing issue left one of our bedrooms with 4 decent sized holes ranging in size from 5 x 8 to 20 x 14. My first attempt was my learning lesson. After which I knew I needed to do a little research. After scanning, selecting and then discarding multiple others videos I was fortunate enough to come across yours. You explain yourself in a way I find easy and natural to understand. Added to that you are not redundant with mundane detail that causes a long video. THANK YOU! I now have the confidence to try again tomorrow and tackle it with an optimistic outlook rather than dread of another horrible waste of time and materials. I hope if I have any questions to be able to bring them back here and to you. That being said...hope the wife's arm is healing well and that your family of six is staying safe and healthy during these times!
I've been watching your videos ever since learning drywall when I started working residential maintenance. It has helped so much. I've got really good results using your methods. I recommend your videos to anyone thats doing drywall patch or carpenter work. I hope everything goes well for your family! Best of luck
I've been doing drywall for 30 years and this guy has no clue what he's doing!!! A hole that size should only be fixed one way and that's the "framing" method...just put a picture frame over the hole and never worry about it again 👍 Works 99% of the time almost every other time🙃 Seriously thought, this dudes awesome, couldnt tell ya how many times his videos have saved my butt. Great work sir!!!
Dang you had me thinking what are you talking about until I got to the end. He is really good at what he does but he really doesn't need to be sanding just a wet rag on the edges
I've watched most of your videos on drywall/gyprocing and have found them immensely helpful! In the past, I've asked my younger son to do the mudding and taping. But since watching your videos, I took a stab at it myself and found I can do it....if I follow your instructions to the T! So thank you, thank you, thank you for the excellent instructions and videos! Patience is a virtue and you, young fellow, seem have that in bucketfuls! But then again, you've got 4 kids. ;) I'm sorry to hear about your wife's broken arm. I do hope it's better now and that you are both back working despite the social distancing. Stay safe, well and keep the awesome videos coming!
Some people have a natural ability at drywalling and repairs. It took me years to learn how to do it perfectly. Good class and good job. Thanks
I’m a journeyman maintenance man and I have been doing this for 15+ years and I gotta say you are hands down the best
My God who needs a journeyman maintenance man you're a helper for a few months and then you go off on your own be careful what you put your hands down in
Explains why you're a 15+ year journeyman...
Oh man! I hope your wife feels better soon! Keep them videos coming Ben!!!👊😎
My son punched a hole in my wall as a single woman I’m thinking about undertaking the task of fixing it...wish me luck.
You can do it!
You'll be fine. Only has to look OK to the casual observer. The only person who notices my drywall repairs is me. So, again, you'll be OK :-)
If my son punched a hole in his mother's wall.. the next hole in the wall would be from his FUCKING HEAD.
Make the kid do it!!!
Have your son watch this video and follow through with repairing it.
This is the smart way to patch. Beats the hell out of your California patch!! Never liked a flat knife! Back in the day I used a trowel but they're hard to find today and very expensive. Your knife is over half the width of the area you're working. Two passes is all you need, not three or four?? Try this and see if you like this method? Same hole, same square patch. Fasten the patch over the hole at opposite corners with two screws. With a hole saw bigger than the hole, saw through the patch and the wall together. Now you have a patch guaranteed to fit perfectly. A wider backer will stabilize the patch to the extent that you'll probably not need to tape it considering the size of the patch??
He's like the Bob Ross of drywall
Happy little feathering. Don't worry about the crumbs makes it unique lol
LOL! No mistakes...just happy accidents!! :-)
Found your video in April, which helped me successfully repair a wall in my bedroom. Came back to refresh my brain and repair a bathroom wall. Thanks for this great tutorial!
I did it!!! Thank you so much! I had a 6x9 inch hole and it looks amazing now! I show everyone who comes over, my perfect wall where a hole once was 🤣
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Thank you very much for your videos, you have given this finish carpenter more patience with his sheetrock hangers and tapers, as well as teaching him how difficult a nice drywall job is; and how to fix it. Cheers from Oregon.
We are in the process of doing a lot of drywall repairs. It's been really hard trying to understand just how smooth I should be expecting my work to be for the first two coats. This video and it's camera angles helped with this tremendously! Thanks a ton!
Absolutely crucial to my sanity was videos like this. Seeing the “crappy” quality on the in between coats
Thank YOU for all of your videos. I have been watching them every evening for about a month now (since I purchased a flip house). Every day I say Im going to start on the drywall but every day I find other things to do instead. I have done drywall repair before and although I have gotten better I am far from perfect. I have decided to try and do it all myself this time (tired of paying people to jerk me around and/or do a crappy job). Your videos are great to watch and study. I have subscribed (I never did that before), and I am very grateful to you. I hope your wife is feeling better by now, my husband shattered his arm while helping me at the last flip house and we have 4 kids also...it was rough for a while, hang in there :-)
We recently had a burst pipe at my mother in laws house. Insurance covered most of the repairs but my wife decided this was the perfect time to do some additional updates and renovations. I had picked up quite a few tips from your videos that came in handy, not only in the areas we worked on, but also to go behind the “professional” crews and make those places look much better. Even we “older” folks benefit and learn from your videos. Thank you for making them and sharing your knowledge with the rest of us.
How I got stuck watching this video IS BEYOND ME!! LOL It is completely Satisfying watching you do this. You are very good! Make me wanna learn
Just putting this out there. I've watched your videos. I bought the tools. I started with the confidence of a 20 year experienced drywaller.
You make it look easy... it ain't. After the third five gallon bucket of compound to fix what started as a minor wall repair, the professional comes next week. I buried my hawk, pans, trowels and everything else in a hole with my aspirations of becoming a professional occasional drywall...er. Somewhere the translation of what I see in my head and my hands do gets jumbled into lots of doing, redoing, redoing, redoing and swearing.
4" hole to fix a wall leak is now all the drywall on the southern basement wall... lol.
A California patch is easier in my opinion. Mudding is all about touch and he's probably done this a thousand times. As a landlord myself, I've gotten very good at patching drywall
@@ExcellingEveryday Wow, a landlord that actualy fixes things? thought those didn't exist
4 kids? WOW you been busy LOL. During Covid19, I have been working in my garage, I want to turn it into an entertainment garage. Put up the drywall, tape joint, all purpose compound mud, primer and paint. Doing all that myself by watching your videos. I can't say thank you enough. Hope your wife have a speedy recovery. Look forward to your next video. Cheers
You’re the best.
Well done Vancouver Carpenter! I live in Saskatchewan and enjoy completing my own DIY renovations. I have watched many of your videos and find them informative and realistic. I also like your level of patience when completing your work. As an educator, I would feel comfortable showing my students these informative, learning videos. I also enjoyed hearing the personal story at the end of this video. My wife and I also have four children and are doing the best job we can in raising them with our very busy lifestyle. I look forward to more videos.
Glad to help support ya! You've taught me several things n I've played with finishing some drywall a couple times. Thank you, Ben.
Weird... I *AM* watching this in July 2021! Hoping all is well with you and your family. Your videos have been an incredible help to me as I take on some larger DIY projects in our apartment.
Keep up the excellent work! The videos are so easy to watch, you are clear and easy to understand, you explain things well, and you let us know what products to use so we can go get them ourselves. My work will never be as good as yours, but it's definitely better because of your videos!
My go to guy for anything and everything drywall. Your channel deserves 1 million plus subscribers and hope it gets there. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with all of us. Very much appreciated.
This geezer love his work. A pleasure to watch. If they ever remake Dirty Harry I reckon you would be a shoe in for it.
I have found that sanding the surrounding painted area prior to applying mud sometimes help reduce those tiny bubbles.
Awesome thanks for the feedback
Ah. Thanks. I'll try that next time. Thise damn bubbles are an every week issue.
Bubbles happen when mud is applied to dry surface. Sponge with water first to somewhat saturate, never any bubbles. Trust me. This applies to dead flat paint and dry compound. Not any glossed paint, since water doesnt penetrate.
Add a drop of dish detergent to your mud. It breaks the surface tension in the water
@@yoyoitsKerry what a great idea
Thanks for the tips, mudding is my weakest skill as I avoided it for years and usually sub it out. A few years back I started getting interested in it and now after doing it a few times (doing it myself and not subbing it out), I started getting better. Simple things like feathering my edges, paying attention to the angle of my knife while making passes and that trick with the corner roller to apply corner tape were super helpful. Thanks man.
We need "feather my edges" shirts.
I would buy one
"Feather That Edge"
Im in!
Gottta feather it brother
@@ExcellingEveryday FIP
Love the light! You are an excellent instructor, explain everything, such a fast sander!!!
Ben is a top class guy and an expert in his field. From the tips about bedding paper tapes to cutting in painting help and build confidence massively. Thank you.
I'm watching this in Mar 2021 so almost in July! Thank you for this video, I have contractors trying to charge more than I can afford and after watching this, I am definitely taking a crack at it myself instead. My hole is in the back and bottom of the pantry so it's not like anyone will ever see it anyway but I need to get that filled in before something crawls out of my wall. Thanks for this outstanding and easy to understand video.
Watching this in July of 2021. This guy is a fortune teller besides all else!
ok after about 5 of your videos i am now subscribed to you. thanks for the info it saved my ceiling for sure.
"July 2021..." 😂 I'm late to the party, it's now September 2021. But you're still as relevant. Thanks for your down to earth videos, I'm learning a lot... Quick!
Greetings from June 2020! Things have gone a little sideways since January... But videos like yours provide a welcome distraction and great instruction to trapped DIY-ers everywhere! Good luck out there, and thanks for sharing your trade with us.
Your the first guy that post a video from beginning to the end! For this I salute you. Many guys start of good but then skip the process of showing how something is done. It drives me crazy! Lol
Thank u for being detailed including your errors! You have a new subscriber!
1st comment of 2024, wow, if that was the easiest way, I can't wait to see what a more time consuming one is but it showed me how many times you have to go over it and picky I will have to be. Great tips all through your video! I think that is what I like best about all your videos, is the tips that you pass to us first time rookies. Good luck with your family, I wish you all good health and I hope these videos really help you, because they help us!!!
You have helped me drywall almost my entire basement...so I am going to return the favor and have a Vancouver Carpenter UA-cam Marathon tonight instead of watching Hart of Dixie on Netflix :)
I LOVE that you used your pan for dust control. I love your approach. I use the same technique with a tight skim. Thanks for another great video.
Awesome! Thank you!
If this is the “easy way” than I am screwed!
NM D. Right.
There is a easier way then this
Just wait to explain it to a customer.
Easier than the old way - lath and plaster lol
Easier way would have been to California patch it or buy a patch kit that has the aluminum patch in it. Watch the Ask This Old House episode about drywall patches. Tom Silva makes quick work of the drywall holes.
You are awesome! You by far are the best teacher, I know you made this video a year ago, but the basics never change & are invaluable! PLEASE keep doing there great informative video’s!☺️
As I was watching you put on the skim coat, I kept thinking why is he not getting that big spot on the patch, then I realized it was a spot on my screen LOL. Keep up the great work, I love you videos, I have gotten alot of tips and tricks from them. My uncle taught me the basics of drywall over 30 years ago and I have only done a handful of DIY jobs for myself over the years and your videos have taught this old dog some new tricks for the toolbox, thanks Ben
I learn so much from your videos, you explane everyting so good👍
Totally just watched this in July 2021 so the ending was creepy.
Me too!
Yo, was just about to comment the same.
meow too!
👀
At first I thought your comment was referring to him saying in Jan of 2020 times were tough.
lol I watched it on September the 15th of 2023!! Thanks for sharing what you do!!
Hey, Ben. You didn't mention it, but I think there is a certain amount of importance in dusting the wall off after sanding. Just my experience. Sometimes it can collect into pretty thick areas as it clings to the drywall mud. I keep a microfiber dusting pad with me. I think it leaves a more sound surface that is more easily painted. I know a lot of primers such as bin are formulated for bonding with Dusty services, but I think it just improves things a little bit to remove as much dust as possible before painting. Just my two cents. Great video!
Yes this comment is correct. I did a patch yesterday and when I primed it, the roller was picking up spots of primer. It was like the primer did not bond and dried instantly and then the roller picked it up when I went back over it a few seconds later. I suspect it was from dust on the wall.
All Bin is, is a name... you can use cheap flat paint because of the solids and it will be just as good
Yup, and most of the time it'll uncover some pinholes or scratches that you thought sanding took care of but were just buried in dust
Took me 5 years to get up the nerve to fix the hole in the wall. Watched your video and spent 20 minutes patching the hole. Thanks!!
Floorlayer for years, swinging a carpet knife every day, sliced myself good at least once a year.
Thank you Vancouver Carpenter! I'm stuck at home during the Coronavirus. I took on a project to redo our fireplace surround including installing corner beads, patching and touch up. I have never done any drywall. With the benefit of your videos, the result is great although not as fast as you. I'm pretty sure me talking in a fake Canadian accent was an part of the important of the process in addition to winding up the misses. Cheers
Jinxing one’s self is inevitable in the world of construction.
I always cut the patch two inches longer and flip it over and mart the drywall to size of the hole . Score the back side and break it off and leave the front of the paper on. Use the front of paper for your tape .
keep it up man, learned a lot from you. Hope the wife heals up soon.
Nice job. I used to watch tapers on commercial jobs when I was a framer so I could learn a thing or two. These guys were always so quick and neat. I bought me the knives, pan and hawk they used and tried taping myself. Not as easy as it looked. I had mud in my hair, behind my ears and all over my clothes and even had some slide off the hawk right onto my shoe. I'm better now but you taught me a lot of stuff here..
I really like that you show how to work through little hiccoughs. One of the biggest things I’ve learned here is to be confident. There are always workarounds. I’d have primed the whole wall section so paint wouldn’t show different, but that’s just on a small wall section like this is. If it was in the middle of a large wall I see why you just do the section worked on.
Thanks for not adding annoying background music.
Can you do a patch where the wall has a knockdown texture already on it. I’m having trouble getting a feathered edge when the whole wall is already textured.
Sand off the texture, feather the edge, sand, retexture (spray texture works well) and paint
You can also use a damp rag to feather the edges on top of the knockdown texture.👍🏻
@@PaulPeck you must have some videos about blending textures. I will have to look for them so I can refer people to them. We do very little texture here. I have never had to do texture on any of my new work. I have done about 20 texture repairs over he last 10 years so i have never gotten much experience with it.
Feathering the edge on knockdown will always leave something there as the surface is uneven. You just have to sand or wet sponge the edges a little extra when dry to get rid of it. Also, priming the patch before actual texture helps a lot with knock down as it makes the surface all uniform. Otherwise, the texture will tend to soak into and dry quicker on the fresh mud compared to the existing painted surface, which won't dry as fast. It will cause two different looking textures when knocking down.
I do knockdown repairs professionally and have shot new knockdown on millions of square feet of wall space. The ABSOLUTE BEST way to make a good patch on knockdown is to go corner to corner with the skim. But almost never practical. So when patching a spot, wipe down the edge with wet microfiber cloth as mud sets up on every coat when using quick set mud. For ready mix, feather each coat with a very soft smooth sponge! Then texture after dry or cured! Hope that helps!
Thank you for these videos. They are so helpful.
That roll of mesh has been passed down thru the generations lol
Great work as usual!
I just hang a painting over the hole. Guests think I'm a big appreciator of art.
Mate, liked, subscribed. I am a russian guy, living in england, rebuilding my first house and having only one child.
Detailed explanation. Thanks. Helps a lot.
Fascinating how a 6"x6" patch turns into an 18"x30" piece of work!
@Mike Girard Same here. I thought the smaller the footprint the better. But it makes sense that in order to blend it in correctly, you need a larger area.
@Mike Girard
If you were to look at the layers of the patch in cross section, by the time the finished and sanded layer is completed, the height of the fill plus the tape beneath might be as much as 1/8" higher than the surface of the wall panel. In order to adequately hide these raised portions of the patch, so as to not leave any noticeable shadows cast across the wall, the filled area needs to be built out that far. The idea being to reduce as much as possible the angle at which light is cast across the hump that is formed by the tape+mud over the seams. To accomplish this, typically, the fill must be built out not less than 18" on either side of the tape for a total span of 36". This makes patches next to corner beads and inside corner angles (as with the skinny wall VC is working on) particularly difficult to hide.
Overnight then overnight again never make a living I would of put angle bead then skimmed both sides 2 hours job finished
I watched another video by Paul Ricalde , he use a hole saw, instead of a utility knife,it’s called a “ butterfly patch, that one looks a lot easier.
I've always taken a slightly damp sponge after sanding to the patch. It removes some of the dust that causes pin holes
So sorry about your wife's arm. I wish her a full and speedy recovery. All the best to you and your family...
I do know an easier way, it is faster, and it's probably not the best way. Hang a picture over it.
Yeah , a California Patch is actually better !
@@lokientertainmentcanada yeah he almost ended floting the whole wall for a 3x3 inches hole
@@thechampion9525 Yes but i think the intention here was to show an easy route for people that have zero experience. Although i will say this way may actually be harder because the average person doesn't know how to feather that out correctly. But still this guy is pretty good. I have seen his videos and he for sure knows what he is doing!
Too funny! I was thinking the same thing prior to watching this video.
@@lokientertainmentcanada I've done almost a full sheet using the California patch method and screws. The face paper is thinner than most joint tapes.
I use liquid nails in a caulking gun instead of the tape. Then don’t need to build up the mud and it joins the plaster together as if it was never broken. Finish with a skim coat, light sand and done
I hope your wife healed OK and you and your family are healthy and covid free...
When Home Depot still gave away the big paint stirrers, I used to have a bundle of those on hand all the time, and I'd do this trick with two of those. Not as strong, but I was generally filling holes which were only about 3 or 4 inches across.
my man. i still do.
Watched many of your videos, but it was only after studying your hand and finger positions in this video that I was finally able to do an "acceptable" job applying drywall mud. Have you already made a video that talks about your 5 hand/finger positions? What a tremendous difference using those positions make! For others wanting to see the positions, look at this video at the following times:
1) 9:21 - 2 fingers in the center to load the mud.
2) 9:43 - index finger in the center to smooth the mud.
3) 10:15 - index finger on the left of center to feather the left side.
4) 10:21 - index finger on the right of center to feather the right side.
5) 16:04 - thumb on top to smooth final skim coat.
Once again, thank you soo much for making these videos!
Yeah the way you hold the tools are super important, I had to learn the hard way over time. This could help people ALOT who are into it for the weekend or one job etc....take care
Thanks so much for these videos....super helpful. I now know how to feather the edges....making it look like yours is another story!
The easiest way we do it in Chicago is let the painter figure it out
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So youre that asshole who doesnt do his job...
As a carpenter who does many home repairs for major real estate companies.. you're the kind of fucktard that causes the profit margin of a home to shrink to nothing... get a life.
😂😂😂 cry baby ass painters
@@foodstamp6952 it's a joke bonehead, the reason for your profit margin turning to shit, it's because the pennies up your ass are wound too tight
Nice vid. It will come I handy for my bathroom project this month👍
"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." - Baha'u'llah Nice quote on the wall hanging leaf upper right. Love your videos.
Glad to help by watching!!!
I’ve done this and it works really well, I had problems doing patches prior to this. It’s a really handy method when you’re adding outlets or high hats.
I found the easiest way, is to cut a piece 2 inches ish bigger than the hole. Peel off the rock you don't need, leaving the front paper, and a bit of rock to fit in the hole, then mud it on like you would with paper tape. It sounds complicated but it's really simple once you see it done, or do it.
The easiest way is to put a painting on top
This deserves more likes
17:12 "Aw! Until I did THAT!".... BAHH HAA HHHAAAAHHH! Great video's man. Enjoying your work. Thanks!
You're the one that showed me the "California Patch". The "leave the paper larger than the hole" technique is a life saver for me. I've never looked back after you showing me that.
I love the California patch
Also seen it called a hot patch, or hillbilly patch
@@F-Bomb313 Whatever you call it, it is a great way to go!
I use the California patches FREQUENTLY.
I'm a Maintenance guy at a rehab. Lots of walls to patch. 😂👍👍
California patch is is only good for smaller patch jobs. The smaller the pacth the more effective, the larger the less effective it is.
Just completed on of these, today - thanks to your video. Thanks VC!
Actually, didn’t do it this way. I just did a California patch. I’ll have to do it this way on the ceiling, where some pendant lights have to relocated.
This was awesome to watch as usual. I especially like the phrase "I can live with that" which I hear you use often. That is pretty much how I inspect my own work in whatever I do practically all the time. My husband and I are looking into buying a house so I've been looking into some DIY. These vids are nice cause they aren't boring =) haha. I hope your wife gets better soon and your famo is okay! Thanks again!
Ria From the River's Mouth I like “I can live with that” or the one I use , “Looks good from my house” 😜
Overkill
Cali patch man
Like all your vids I watch till the end. I am watching this not in July of 21 but in Sept. of 21. GOOD GUESS THOUGH!
Pffft... I've been in the trades a long time and never cut myself with a utility knife. I've also never cut an extension cord with a skil saw, never sanded through veneer, never nailed a pocket door open installing chair rail, never put a screw through a drain pipe, never built a rough opening the wrong size, never cut a piece of crown too short and most certainly have never almost taken my little finger off doing something stupid with a sawzall. 🙄
Really? Wow..
Never nailed your hose to a roof shingling😏
Never wound up the cord on your belt sander.....while belt sanding.
Ahhh...but you will.
Bucket mud doesn’t shrink. It expands and If there’s not enough water it cracks
really appreciate all the "I am human just like everyone else" moments, where you keep going back over and over to get it just right. Unlike Informecial like demonstrations.
I agree 100%. Everytime he got burned by a crumb in his mud, I sympathized having been there myself.
Great job, hope the wife gets healed quick. Keep it up from NC.
Best guy out there on DIY videos.
Great job, as always! Keep up the good work, Ben!
3:43 that's what she said lol
Great tips and thanks for sharing them.
‘Hopefully my wood is wide enough”...said that myself a time or two.
lmao
My wood may be short, but atleast it's skinny.
Nice
Thanks great work,love your work 👌
Ive been struggling with trying to sand touchups on walls I've already sanded. I could never get rid of the edges. Now I know why. Thank you!!!
Watching in May 2024. This video was helpful and has staying power on the platform. Hope everything worked out for the better and ill search for more of your videos.
Watching this in November 2023 and as a new homeowner, I think your channel is a master degree on how to do DYI projects, dude you’re a fantastic professional and a better teacher. Thank you!
That was funny the difference between the two ages of wall. Old vs New. Great Vid mister. Peace
Wow the dust is going fall down 😂😂😂 is this guy for real
Your trade secrets are safe with all 3,072 of us (and counting). Hang in there Ben - hope your wife heals up well and quickly. Thanks for yet another awesome video.
lol, what secret , i already seen one , this is the second video of the same style , lol , too much work if you ask me
I've used "20 Minute" mix for years now. You'll need to experiment at first making sure to mix the proper amount of water with the right amount of material. When done properly, the end result is easier to deal with when applying, sands easier, and dries as hard as a rock.
When do you start your Patreon page?
excellent tips very very help full