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Its so weird how these clone systems when it comes to NES, only the "Super Mario Bros." trilogy seems to have radically different sound fonts compared to their official hardware counterparts. Whereas other NES games don't seem to have that issue on clone systems.
It can definitely be heard on other games, but this is just the easiest one, most people have played Super Mario brothers, they know what it's supposed to sound like. So it's just the easiest example I use
Alright Gamerztek your move! I love the 2 in 1 thanks to your review and would love to see their take on a 3 in 1.......... with usb c of course. Great job reviewing!
I've been playing my Classic N for a few months now and like someone else in comments, I only notice the sound difference on Mario games. Of course I have sound turned down a lot, possibly out of habit because when I was a kid, the NES sounds and music would drive my parents crazy due to repetitiveness. I got a SNES and a Genesis (authentic), but it's nice to know there is a cheap stand-in like this in case these two ever fail.
Which clone system has the most accurate sound and play that you recommend? Classiq 3 or Retron 2 HD or a different one, I hear with the Classiq2 has wierd off sound quality. Thanks! Was leaning the Retron 2 HD or Classiq 2 HD which is better?
It's $10 cheaper so that's a good thing, but from there the Retron 3 HD has better controllers. The quality of the Retron 3 HD is considerably better IMO
A LOT of useful info here. Thank you very much !! I'd still get it just cos it seems to be running most games OK. Id like to put my original NES, SNES and GENESIS consoles on display and not have to touch them unless I need to.
Hey, I think you did a good analysis! Lately I have been watching all your videos about clone consoles, I think they are very good and you talk deeply about the capabilities they have, I have saved a little money and for weeks I have been looking for a clone system, I always preferred to use the original consoles however my SNES died due to a chip problem and my Genesis 2 broke the power jack, so mainly which one do you recommend talking only about SNES and Genesis? I am interested above all in being as faithful as possible to the colors shown by the original console and decent audio. I know there is the analogue Super NT but that is way out of my financial reach. Greetings from Mexico 👍
3:35 Curiously, the colors and the sound of these clone systems on SMB are very similar to the arcade version SMB VS, I wonder if clone manufacturers used the arcade as a base for their clones. 6:44 It's definitively an upgrade compared to clone systems that crash in the first screen, maybe in the future there will be one that can go to the third level. 10:53 I saw some people on the internet modding clone systems to play Virtua Racing, apparently it's just a wiring issue. Anyways, this could've been one of the best ones yet if it wasn't for these issues.
1 - No, it's the way the audio is processed thru HDMI as the Composite audio us far more accurate. 2 - The issues were aways with Level 2, not level 1 3 - If you're going to mod then you're likely not the target for this sort of system.
@@RoXolid1. So, can you use the composite audio conected to stereo speakers and the image through HDMI? If it worked that would be a huge plus for this system on the NES portion. 2. I was talking about the first screen when the second level starts, usually the game crashes after you hit the first enemy at the wall. 3. It's a really easy mod, it's just an extra wire, all of the clones that play VR just have this fix installed on the PCB.
1 yes 2 just about all of the clones that I've tried with battletoads play level 2 for a bit before it crashes, it's never immediate 3 understood, but still the customer for this type of device is generally not the type of customer who would mod something
@@RoXolid thanks for confirming, do you know if these are more reliable than say the retron 5 can they easily pack up which out the 2 consoles would you say is more reliable and tend not to break more?
@@LordsOfSkulls Ok, you had things backward from how I look at it. I'm adapting a Famicom cartridge to fit into an NES, I thought you were asking to fit an NES Cart into a Famicom. So I've used the Hyperkin one for years: amzn.to/3iCvNcS
I feel Genesis sounds very distorted, it's a problem with the console or the capture device? As I only hear big distortions with that system. NES sounds very wrong like a $10 nes on a chip, but SNES sounded quite decent. I'm glad it's hardware based instead of emulation, but quality looks kinda lackluster. Good review
It is an SoC. The audio sounded fine when I was playing, but in the capture it sounded terrible, I don't know why. It did that with 3 different capture cards too
It looks like you use the system for power but it has its own AV output? Why would you want that? The super Game Boy can output RGB through a regular Super Nintendo, that's going to be a vastly superior look
@@RoXolid Well if you use certain clone systems like the the Pound Challenger or Retroad 5+ you don't need the AV cable. But I hear rumors there's other systems that offer the same thing with the adapters
I'll actually do it with this system, the retron 3 hd, and the super retro trio 3 plus to show how all three have better audio through the analog composite outputs than HDMI
Everytime I see a review of a Classiq console, I always boot up own to check if I'm going insane. I own a Classiq N SD and SMB sounds as it should and the colors are great (though that could be because I have it hooked up to my CRT). Maybe they fixed the sound in the SD consoles but not the HD ones?
When I tried it originally the colors were off, but after that video someone mentioned to try it in pal and I just haven't had a chance to check it yet
Check out the Gamerz Tek Super HD-2, I really liked it for a budget clone system. Otherwise the Analogue Super NT or Polymega would be the best quality. ua-cam.com/video/G93XGBmB1Dc/v-deo.html
I think an under-appreciated aspect of clone systems and that you're more likely to be able to plug a game in and play it and not have to re-insert it 100x.
@@RoXolid well that's good to hear then, I've been always afraid to buy one of those clone systems and that game not working, I like Battletoads, but that game is too damn difficult.
They should just base their SOCs for these clone systems on their respective MiSTer FPGA cores. That's literally one of the uses of FPGA - prototyping various computer processors for eventual mass production. Yes, MiSTer is backwards in that it takes finished hardware and puts it back on FPGA.. but whatever. The point stands. Accurate SOC clone systems are within reach, these manufacturers need only grab the blueprints that are already out there in the wild. It's just insane that they don't.
@@RoXolid What I meant was use the MiSTer FPGA cores as a basis to create new, better SOCs. The FPGA cores on MiSTer have reached a point where stuff like Super Nintendo, Mega Drive, NES etc is basically perfect, now. Why not use those cores as a base to design new SOCs? Half the work is already done via the accurate FPGA cores that are publicly-available.
Its a shame there's no middle ground for quality for clone consoles. You have the cheap 3-1s that are very hit or miss on quality or super expensive (and out of stock) like the Analogue
Playing Sonic 3 and Knuckles you hear sound distortion it almost sounds like a bad speaker it's sound is scratchy and popping the game play isn't bad for a clone console but you can't have high expectations with those consoles any way.
On punch out the sound is awful. There is no excuse for this in 2022. Why is the sound so distorted in your gameplay is it the system or your recording?
Why do people act like SNES, Genesis etc. are different consoles than Mega Drive, or Super Famicom etc.? It's the same System, only rigged for PAL / NTSC.
@@RoXolid true, but that's the games, the hardware is the same, you can even break the cartridge / console and shove the game chip into a different region console, and it will work (minus a few glitches with pal /ntsc)
@@Tyelkormoko Not entirely true, some games are different regoin-to-region. For Example in some Mario Games if you have 2 levels up upgrades instead of losing just 1 if you get hit like in the US, you lose all and become small Mario.
MegaRetron HD is $ affordable FPGA , thats why Virtua Racing runs normal on it , , standard Emulation cannot run Virtua Racing , , , ,company called "Analogue" shamelessly overcharges for its "custom" FPGA consoles ,then fools people into thinking they have to be that $$$ pricey , great business model making them rich in record time , , ,🤔👍👍👍
The mega retron is not an FPGA, that is a hardware-based clone system. FPGA versus being a clone system has nothing to do with compatibility with virtua racing
@@RoXolid FPGA is simply finer tuned programing making clone programs run more precisely , was watching a video that design team at Analogue had put out bragging about their "process" around the time the released their "SNES" the chip set is surprisingly cheap and has been around 15 years before they made their first console at Analogue , ,, just giving you the FYI , , you can find their bragging video too and confirm , , or live in blissful ignorance your choice , , , , the unique nature of how the Virtua Racing cartridge works proves MegaRetron HD has to be FPGA or actual Genesis hardware one or the other, , ,I used to sub to EGM magazine and Gamepro one of em had old interview and breakdown about the VR cartridge and it's unusual nature , , , so I take notice when a so-called clone can run it , , , ,ROX
That sound is awful. As someone who knows Sonic and Mario like the back of my hand, these sound awful. The muffled sound and crunched audio quality is rough. Even if it is over rca, it never sounded that poor on real hardware.
@@RoXolid That’s fair. It really doesn’t make it look great, that’s for sure. Hope that it was a one off thing for you cause having to get an all new capture setup would be bad. :(
No idea, and I played with my settings in OBS a lot to try to get that distortion is reduced as possible. The only thing I didn't do was record directly to an SD card
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Its so weird how these clone systems when it comes to NES, only the "Super Mario Bros." trilogy seems to have radically different sound fonts compared to their official hardware counterparts. Whereas other NES games don't seem to have that issue on clone systems.
It can definitely be heard on other games, but this is just the easiest one, most people have played Super Mario brothers, they know what it's supposed to sound like. So it's just the easiest example I use
AND... If you plug it in to a CRT with composite cables, YOU CAN USE A ZAPPER (Light Gun)!!!!
Thank you for the thorough review of this clone console.
Thanks for watching my friend
Alright Gamerztek your move! I love the 2 in 1 thanks to your review and would love to see their take on a 3 in 1.......... with usb c of course. Great job reviewing!
I haven't heard anything from GamerzTek in years, I don't even know if they are still in business
I've been playing my Classic N for a few months now and like someone else in comments, I only notice the sound difference on Mario games. Of course I have sound turned down a lot, possibly out of habit because when I was a kid, the NES sounds and music would drive my parents crazy due to repetitiveness. I got a SNES and a Genesis (authentic), but it's nice to know there is a cheap stand-in like this in case these two ever fail.
I like the controller style. Glad to see a company thinking outside the box when it comes to controllers.
It played better than I thought that it would, and it was actually quite comfortable. I just didn't care for the button mapping when using NES games
6 button setup is freaking great for fighting games. I want it just for that alone
@@dbzfanatic278 reminds me of the RetroFighters controllers from retrobit. The Sega one just without the analog stick.
6:37 Like glitch design called Donkey Kong Jr. mode, if doesn’t work of Battletoads.😂😂😂
Ouch man, that is most unfortunate about the USB issue you had. Hope you can get a refund.
We shall see!
Liked and subbed. Awesome content man
Thank you so much for the kind of words, I appreciate it
Which clone system has the most accurate sound and play that you recommend? Classiq 3 or Retron 2 HD or a different one, I hear with the Classiq2 has wierd off sound quality. Thanks! Was leaning the Retron 2 HD or Classiq 2 HD which is better?
Would you honestly recommend the Hyperkin Retron 3 HD over this? It looked more interesting to me at first but now I'm a bit mixed.
It's $10 cheaper so that's a good thing, but from there the Retron 3 HD has better controllers. The quality of the Retron 3 HD is considerably better IMO
A LOT of useful info here. Thank you very much !! I'd still get it just cos it seems to be running most games OK. Id like to put my original NES, SNES and GENESIS consoles on display and not have to touch them unless I need to.
I'd recommend checking out our reviews for the Retron 3HD and Super Retro Trio 3+, that are much better machines in my opinion
@@RoXolid headed over there.. whats your best, TOP recommendation for an NES/SNES replica console. Thank you.
Hey, I think you did a good analysis!
Lately I have been watching all your videos about clone consoles, I think they are very good and you talk deeply about the capabilities they have, I have saved a little money and for weeks I have been looking for a clone system, I always preferred to use the original consoles however my SNES died due to a chip problem and my Genesis 2 broke the power jack, so mainly which one do you recommend talking only about SNES and Genesis?
I am interested above all in being as faithful as possible to the colors shown by the original console and decent audio.
I know there is the analogue Super NT but that is way out of my financial reach.
Greetings from Mexico 👍
3:35 Curiously, the colors and the sound of these clone systems on SMB are very similar to the arcade version SMB VS, I wonder if clone manufacturers used the arcade as a base for their clones. 6:44 It's definitively an upgrade compared to clone systems that crash in the first screen, maybe in the future there will be one that can go to the third level. 10:53 I saw some people on the internet modding clone systems to play Virtua Racing, apparently it's just a wiring issue. Anyways, this could've been one of the best ones yet if it wasn't for these issues.
1 - No, it's the way the audio is processed thru HDMI as the Composite audio us far more accurate.
2 - The issues were aways with Level 2, not level 1
3 - If you're going to mod then you're likely not the target for this sort of system.
@@RoXolid1. So, can you use the composite audio conected to stereo speakers and the image through HDMI? If it worked that would be a huge plus for this system on the NES portion.
2. I was talking about the first screen when the second level starts, usually the game crashes after you hit the first enemy at the wall.
3. It's a really easy mod, it's just an extra wire, all of the clones that play VR just have this fix installed on the PCB.
1 yes
2 just about all of the clones that I've tried with battletoads play level 2 for a bit before it crashes, it's never immediate
3 understood, but still the customer for this type of device is generally not the type of customer who would mod something
Does anyone know if the av output is 240p or 480i?
Not sure, the product page doesn't state but I will look in the manual when I get home
Does this play pal and ntsc games?
Sure Does!
@@RoXolid are you certain about that? As Iv been told it only plays ntsc and I can’t find any info online about it? Thanks
Watch the video, I cover PAL games in here as I have a few myself.
@@RoXolid thanks for confirming, do you know if these are more reliable than say the retron 5 can they easily pack up which out the 2 consoles would you say is more reliable and tend not to break more?
Reliability is about the same, I think the emulation out of the Retron 5 is better
What adaptor you using to go from NES TO Famicom, cause i am using one, and i am not getting anything.
I have heard of those but never used one myself
@@RoXolid did you just inserted Famicom cartridge of Samurai Pizza cats into the console directly?
@@LordsOfSkulls Ok, you had things backward from how I look at it. I'm adapting a Famicom cartridge to fit into an NES, I thought you were asking to fit an NES Cart into a Famicom. So I've used the Hyperkin one for years:
amzn.to/3iCvNcS
I feel Genesis sounds very distorted, it's a problem with the console or the capture device? As I only hear big distortions with that system. NES sounds very wrong like a $10 nes on a chip, but SNES sounded quite decent. I'm glad it's hardware based instead of emulation, but quality looks kinda lackluster. Good review
It is an SoC. The audio sounded fine when I was playing, but in the capture it sounded terrible, I don't know why. It did that with 3 different capture cards too
Do all 3 ports support Game Genie?
Hi! Does anyone knows if the 8bitdo wireless control Works on this clone ? Thanks from Brazil
Will it work with the retroad accessory that lets you play game boy color games but without the AV cable?
I don't have one to test so I can't say
@@RoXolid Dang, well they are sold on AliExpress if you are interested in trying them out
It looks like you use the system for power but it has its own AV output? Why would you want that? The super Game Boy can output RGB through a regular Super Nintendo, that's going to be a vastly superior look
@@RoXolid Well if you use certain clone systems like the the Pound Challenger or Retroad 5+ you don't need the AV cable. But I hear rumors there's other systems that offer the same thing with the adapters
I'm really shocked the controller is decent. Could you do a video comparison between the hdmi audio and the composite? Might be a good short idea 💡
Sure, what I can do is go into a retro tank 2X and pass through mode so that way there's no upscaling or anything
@@RoXolid thanks Gary!
I'll actually do it with this system, the retron 3 hd, and the super retro trio 3 plus to show how all three have better audio through the analog composite outputs than HDMI
@@RoXolid awesome!!!!
Everytime I see a review of a Classiq console, I always boot up own to check if I'm going insane. I own a Classiq N SD and SMB sounds as it should and the colors are great (though that could be because I have it hooked up to my CRT). Maybe they fixed the sound in the SD consoles but not the HD ones?
No, the composite video doesn't have the reverse duty cycle issues I'd the HDMI side
Can it play master system using an adaptor in the mega drive slot?
Watch the video ;)
Awesome video
Do you know if the Hyperkin Retron 3 plays SMS games?
When I tried it originally the colors were off, but after that video someone mentioned to try it in pal and I just haven't had a chance to check it yet
@@RoXolid thanks
Of course
Thank you for reviewing it with battletoads and sharing your insight. I'd love to find a console that plays it right through hdmi.
Not a single budget clone does
@@RoXolid
Any console other than the original Sega Genesis play Battle Toads??
Best clone console for Super Gameboy?
Ohhh, good question. I'd say Retron 5
@@RoXolid better picture/sound than the other Retrons? Thanks
@@chadballew Yes! And you can plug the carts into the front of the system.
The other option is a Analogue Super NT and Super Game Boy
So what is the best clone console I just wanna buy MK and a couple other cool games on the SNES so don’t wanna spend an arm and a leg
Check out the Gamerz Tek Super HD-2, I really liked it for a budget clone system. Otherwise the Analogue Super NT or Polymega would be the best quality.
ua-cam.com/video/G93XGBmB1Dc/v-deo.html
I think an under-appreciated aspect of clone systems and that you're more likely to be able to plug a game in and play it and not have to re-insert it 100x.
Clones aren't guaranteed to play games, but new pins do help
I don't have any patience anymore for RPGs. I'm too old for that...I need action in my games !
one game i would like to see if it works for the NES is Castlevania 3?
It does
@@RoXolid Fantastic
Of course
I don't know it it's still the same today, but in the past Castlevania 3 Dracula's Curse never worked with the clone systems.
That's not been an issue with newer clones
@@RoXolid well that's good to hear then, I've been always afraid to buy one of those clone systems and that game not working, I like Battletoads, but that game is too damn difficult.
Yeah, battletoads doesn't work on and SoC system I've tested
They should just base their SOCs for these clone systems on their respective MiSTer FPGA cores. That's literally one of the uses of FPGA - prototyping various computer processors for eventual mass production.
Yes, MiSTer is backwards in that it takes finished hardware and puts it back on FPGA.. but whatever. The point stands.
Accurate SOC clone systems are within reach, these manufacturers need only grab the blueprints that are already out there in the wild. It's just insane that they don't.
I'd bet FPGA is more expensive to produce though, which is why we're still using SoCs
@@RoXolid What I meant was use the MiSTer FPGA cores as a basis to create new, better SOCs.
The FPGA cores on MiSTer have reached a point where stuff like Super Nintendo, Mega Drive, NES etc is basically perfect, now.
Why not use those cores as a base to design new SOCs? Half the work is already done via the accurate FPGA cores that are publicly-available.
Its a shame there's no middle ground for quality for clone consoles. You have the cheap 3-1s that are very hit or miss on quality or super expensive (and out of stock) like the Analogue
There is the AVS at just over $200
@@RoXolid It just for the NES and can't connect to CRTs
@@retroworldseries7159 NES and Famicom, also compatible with the Famicom Disk System. And correct, no Component or Compsite.
You can't really count each region as a separate console
Different library of games per region, and actual hardware can't play out of region games without mods/ or adapters
@@RoXolid I wouldn't count them, it's redundant
@@jacobprayer8656 It's really not, at least not to me as the Japanese games are much less expensive than their US counterparts.
@@RoXolid most cartridge converters are cheap. To each their own
Playing Sonic 3 and Knuckles you hear sound distortion it almost sounds like a bad speaker it's sound is scratchy and popping the game play isn't bad for a clone console but you can't have high expectations with those consoles any way.
I attrribute that to the capture as the audio while playing didn't have those issues.
@@RoXolid Oh ok
1. NES 2. Genesis 3. SNES
On punch out the sound is awful. There is no excuse for this in 2022. Why is the sound so distorted in your gameplay is it the system or your recording?
Blame it more on my capture than the system. When I was playing the audio was fine, but for some reason the audio recorded super hot through obs
Why do people act like SNES, Genesis etc. are different consoles than Mega Drive, or Super Famicom etc.? It's the same System, only rigged for PAL / NTSC.
By and large the system is, but the games can be localized or have different features depending on the region.
@@RoXolid true, but that's the games, the hardware is the same, you can even break the cartridge / console and shove the game chip into a different region console, and it will work (minus a few glitches with pal /ntsc)
@@Tyelkormoko Not entirely true, some games are different regoin-to-region. For Example in some Mario Games if you have 2 levels up upgrades instead of losing just 1 if you get hit like in the US, you lose all and become small Mario.
@@RoXolid This has NOTHING to do with the console, the hardware in the console, or the name of the console.
MegaRetron HD is $ affordable FPGA , thats why Virtua Racing runs normal on it , , standard Emulation cannot run Virtua Racing , , , ,company called "Analogue" shamelessly overcharges for its "custom" FPGA consoles ,then fools people into thinking they have to be that $$$ pricey , great business model making them rich in record time , , ,🤔👍👍👍
The mega retron is not an FPGA, that is a hardware-based clone system. FPGA versus being a clone system has nothing to do with compatibility with virtua racing
@@RoXolid FPGA is simply finer tuned programing making clone programs run more precisely , was watching a video that design team at Analogue had put out bragging about their "process" around the time the released their "SNES" the chip set is surprisingly cheap and has been around 15 years before they made their first console at Analogue , ,, just giving you the FYI , , you can find their bragging video too and confirm , , or live in blissful ignorance your choice , , , , the unique nature of how the Virtua Racing cartridge works proves MegaRetron HD has to be FPGA or actual Genesis hardware one or the other, , ,I used to sub to EGM magazine and Gamepro one of em had old interview and breakdown about the VR cartridge and it's unusual nature , , , so I take notice when a so-called clone can run it , , , ,ROX
That sound is awful. As someone who knows Sonic and Mario like the back of my hand, these sound awful. The muffled sound and crunched audio quality is rough. Even if it is over rca, it never sounded that poor on real hardware.
I blame most of that on the capture process, as they didn't sound like that as I was playing. I don't know why the audio was so hot.
@@RoXolid That’s fair. It really doesn’t make it look great, that’s for sure. Hope that it was a one off thing for you cause having to get an all new capture setup would be bad. :(
I tried three capture cards and the audio was hot on all of them. But during gameplay it was fine
@@RoXolid That’s so weird. Perhaps just something to do with how the audio capture works? Sadly I’m no expert.
No idea, and I played with my settings in OBS a lot to try to get that distortion is reduced as possible. The only thing I didn't do was record directly to an SD card
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