@klanders988 - Oliver Harper is actually a reviewer I usually trust when it comes to most things so maybe I'll check it out in a few months when it's really cheap.
@@McSuperfly101 I know, which is why I did not expect to love their Terminator game as much as I did. It's a love letter to the fans of T1&2. Average production value, visible lack of experience, but definitely no lack of effort and passion! The story is actually quite good too, and can easily be considered canon.
I read that Cameron wants to return to AS as a bad guy, like the 1984 film. CGI & de aging 💻 could work to a point. The big problem is the T films went all over in 100 different directions.
Corporations created that community. If we would get quality products then the toxic individuals would be minority to the point you would not even notice them. Today majority is filled with braindead idiots and neglected children. So next to that corporations don't even give a single fuck to make any effort. They lured in idiots to the point of no return. We need a hard reset in everything. This is the case in movies, games, anything really. The market is dead.
Honestly Salvation isn't as bad as most people make it out to be. It had introduced some great concepts and if it had been executed better, could've opened up the Terminator franchise to whole new world.
@@giovannigiovanni.7220 Yeah that still would've been more interesting than Genysis or Dark Fate which just repeated the same story just with different actors.
Edward Furlong should have been a reclusive hacker in hiding but still with his cool vibe like in T2 "Easy money" and the movie should have been about trying to find him with Sarah and the T-800 then building him back up. Even if he was in the background, bringing down Legion remotely. His current appearance would be perfect because John Connor would probably have PTSD, drug and alcohol problems after the events of T2 and coming to terms with his life. Add in Robert Patrick in a T-1000 origins role, Michael Biehn, de-aged flashbacks and the Future War and you have a great premise for a true T3 but it would have to be directed by Cameron for it to be remotely decent.
@Xen Rockstar IKR? Arnold should have had that kid in the gym. Put him on a diet, cut out the cigarettes, booze, and sugar and got him in badass robot killer shape. Oh well, one can dream can't they?
@Boba Fett Probably, but I would assume such charges has little economic effect. The more controversy something has the more money. The creators of Joker played this well and I assume more is in the works.
"James Cameron doesn't do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron is James Cameron." - James Cameron
The franchise should have ended with Terminator 2. Just like Aliens & Predator 2. Guys like James Cameron & Guillermo Del Toro when they make a sequel, finish, you can't beat them. Although I agree that Salvation is underrated, it just needed that James Cameron look. "Did I ever tell you my favourite colour is blue?" - James Cameron...oops I mean Sutter Cane.
James sold out for money and maybe politics, but mostly money for lame Avatar sequels. Still can't believe Battle Angel Alita was good. But yeah, Both Terminator and Alien end with their 1st sequels. Nothing that came afterwards matched them. Nothing.
@@jwnj9716 i said garvage, that movie is a meh at most. Pretator 1 is and always will be refference for any predator movie.predator 2 is the secuel no one cares about.
Of course, the first film will always be the best one. Predator 2 had a lot of great moments, Danny Glover and his team were likeable and great, come on, you have Bill Paxton. I'm glad he didn't use traps or mud as camouflage, he just beats the shit out of it. Lethal Weapon with a Predator. And then you watch the 2018 where it just shits on the first 2 films...also the 3rd which is a meh to me. But hey, it's ok if you don't love it, nothing wrong with that. You should watch Rageaholic's review of Predator 2, it's pretty entertaining & funny, the guy can talk forever.
I would have loved Edward Furlong to have returned. I don't think hes nearly as out of shape as people joke about, though they could interweave abit of his personal life in it. He got depressed after the events of T2 due to being hyped as the Savior and now being a nobody. That could explain the body shape and drug use. Now hes faced with a new threat.
Imagine seeing John in 2003 as an out of shape drunk. I’d watch it. The first scene after the credit title T3, we the auidience hear the crack of opening a beer and lighting of a joint. This is after a nightmare of a terminator knocking on his door and him opening it only to be shot. After he wakes up and takes a sip and a hit, he opens the door which in realit is being knocked on but by dominos. He only has exact change.
The deleted ending scene for T2 shows john with his now daughter and old Sarah at a playground... They should of have continued the story from there or left it at that
That would have been an ideal opening to the new one, seeing how they wanted to switch the savior from John to whats-er-name and bring in a new threat after Skynet was dismantled. Would have made having a new actor to play John more acceptable too, seeing how he's 20 years older.
@@gustavoalmanza2673 and imagine after sending the second T-800 back to protect John in T2, the timeline just changes around them because of T2 changing the future, that would be pretty cool, but I still prefer only T1 and T2 and the stuff we haven’t seen like Kyle getting sent back being left to our imagination. We have seen some good action of the dark future in both movies as well, so I’d say it’s pretty satisfying, and we get the satisfying end where they changed the future and prevented ‘Judgement Day’
John Connor: knows weapons, knows how to hack, knows how to hide from authorities, and many more skills to defeat Skynet. Dani Ramos: what does she know again?
As much as I believe that the new characters are criminally uninteresting, John had his mother to teach him these sort of things. Dani's father had no idea his daughter was supposed to become the savior of mankind.
She's a GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRLLLLLLLLLLL. She makes SJW's happy because every male has to be replaced by a GRRRRRRRRRRRL: Doctor in Doctor Who is now a GRRRRRRRL, and so is the arch enemy Master; Do Rey Mi in SJW Wars is the GRRRRRRRRRRRRL version of Luke Skywalker; Bond now has a GRRRRRRRRRRRL super spy while James is a cucked husband; Charlie's Angels went to less feminine GRRRRRLLLLL's who aren't attractive to evil men; Ghost Busters went to GRRRRRRRRRRRRRLS. The new Terminator also has a glorious illegal trying to cross the border.
The Furlong bait & switch set the Tone for Dark Fate from the start. Massive disappointment. They basically "ignored" the other installments by merging them all together. You guys are very likely spot on about the script & the "treatment" process. Check the Matrix vs Sophia Stewart case study for the crumb trail of receipts.
T3 Shoudlve been T3: Future Soldier or T3: The Futures Past (something of that nature) , and been strictly a Kyle Reese future war origin story, show us HIS childhood and teen years and focus on the future war from his perspective as he fights for survival , they could show us when he got that picture of sarah and when he started developing feelings for a woman from a different time, they could show us his epic battles against large amounts of roaming T800s and the depression fighting a never ending war for survival would cause. I mean there is just so many interesting things u can do with that playbook. The perfect ending too could be a battle weary scarred up Kyle Reese kneeling down in the time machine while John Connor tells him that his very existence relies on him and he must succeed or all will be lost, something like that is what the franchise needed not just another same ol "terminator sent back in time to kill someone" copy and paste story.
Dark Fate is literally the Sonic Forces of the Terminator franchise. A new entry that just crams in a bunch of elements from the previous entries without knowing what made those elements so good, and what we’re left with is a soulless, mediocre mess that’s not even interesting enough to be even held in infamous like the other disasters(Sonic 06=Genisys).
T1 and T2 are a duology. A great story of two. But duologies don't have that satisfying sense of completeness, and trilogies do. That's why Hollywood was able to leave the Matrix and Back to the Future alone because they felt complete, but the Terminator will never feel truly done.
Kembervon B Matrix apparently is getting a 4th movie...hopefully Back to the Future will be left alone. With Terminator, four failed sequels after T2 means that no one could think of a way to further the story without disappointing fans. And that gets back to my original point...T2 ended the story too perfectly to attempt a continuation
RotJ fucked up the ground battle on Endor (should have been wookie slaves not ewoks) and didn't deal with the downfall of the actual Imperial state and infrastructure.
@@stevencoil9831 The game play is...meh, but the atmosphere is so darn good. Really felt like a future-war future. It is legit, if a little disappointing. Hopefully if they decide to make a sequel, they improve on the first one by a lot.
She would have had big trouble if I had been one of John's LT's. End of movie when she met up with me. Skynet: "I thought we made the Terminators to kill humans." Not that human, Skynet.
@@giovannigiovanni.7220 So true. I even imagined one like the TX being reprogrammed-granted I preferred seeing a literal machine-terminator as it's follow up. However her plotline and actions were quite well done. I don't see T3 was being a bad movie, it has some really cool stuff in it and I would say if anything, the ending it shows should've happened way earlier in the film and them showed us them trying to deal with the fallout time/aftermath and setting up more for salvation (which in turn, directed by someone else, and no mad-max fanboying+a transformer in it). They just crammed too much T2 fanservice into it. Still take it as the third film of a franchise anyday, and let the others be alternative timelines, or totally ignore them (dark fate is such garbage). I wish we'd seen a couple TX's actually instead of that transformer in salvation.
@@giovannigiovanni.7220 I disagree. Don't get me wrong, she was cool, but I actually really liked the Rev-9 much more. The fact that he could split into two fully functional terminators (one looking like it was made from the pitts of hell, too) was freaking awesome. Dark Fate had its problems, and the Rev-9 was definitely not one of them
My respect for James Cameron ended after 10mins of dark fate. When that scene of John/ a young Eddie being assassinated took place I couldn’t believe he would have put his name to it in any shape or form. He allowed an icon in a character and tbh no matter what people say he allowed an icon of a child actor in Eddie Furlong to be discarded like trash after both of the above were the focal point for the best sequel ever created. I’ll never forgive him for giving his blessing to that and I’m sorry but if anyone thinks he didn’t have influence on what was going on in dark fate then your mad. He had moved on from terminator a long long time ago and he didn’t stop for a second and consider the fans of the original generation of Terminator movies at all. Any future Cameron movies?? I’ll pass thanks. Go back to deep sea diving.
Oh man, I was right here with you, 100 percent, then I started to let go. I got to the stage where I realized that no matter what JC and SC did, they were never going to be safe. They would have sent Terminators, one after the other, until John was dead. So, I forgave him, but still, the movie could have been amazing and we got a very strange tale of an old robot with aging outer skin, an old lady that keeps blowing up terminators from signals from a robot, another JOHN in the form of a girl, a human hybrid, and one awesome killer robot that was really cool to see on screen. Strange stuff but I re-watched it and it bothered me less and less. Now, I can tolerate it. But yeah, logically, I get why John died but that wasn't the story we needed.
We need a movie that builds up to Kyle reese's life and how he lost everything and what he went through alone before meeting up with John connor and how he became a Resistance fighter and got the rank of Sgt. Salvation was the shit because that was the beginning of the future war, and it was grimmy and also fuckin perfect cause this was actually a film how the terminators and the T_800 were getting built and how skynet was getting started along with the resistance and how they were studying humans for infiltration units and how the resistance were studying about terminators and how to stop them and last but not least how they started off with weapons. before the actual laser rifles and shit. Christian bale as john connor was the shit and young kyle reese just everything including john connors wife and etc. But they had to fuckin kill it with dark fate like get the fuck out of here with that.
@@fjccommish no he was a teen when he met john, ik talking about as a kid alone getting hunted by the machines up until teen years pass and hes now in the 2029 timeline in the future before he was John's right hand man
@@andygalicia1202 Kind of weird. For some reason, I remembered him as being younger in Salvation. I just watched the clips - he's supposedly 16, but he looks 20ish.
Your take on how Eddie was drug addicted and all that, then has to straighten out would have been so much better than what we have now. It’s actually genius. I like it. But would of should of could of. EDIT: I’m sure Eddie Furlong could get into shape for the role as well. It happens all the time.
That would be hard to do well, but interesting the whole Millitary Thriller, right at the point where skynet is "born" and judgement day about to happen.
There is absolutely no reason to make a T3, it amazes me nobody ever sees what T2 in my eyes is really about; A machine and a boy having a platonic relationship. The most beautiful line in the movie "I know now why you cry, But it's something I can never do." The Terminator feels pain because he has to leave John because he loves him but his existence threatens John and humanity. The machine created to destroy humanity has gained humanity.
You could of had one in the future, and the premise is to get Kyle Reece to the time machine. That way it makes the complete loop. Make it in the style and the weight of Rogue One. A rag tag team trying to get Reese there, see how both sides of the resistance and Skynet. You could have humans voluntarily working for Skynet, you could see terminators being operated by humans trying to get intel, different factions within each side. It could work.
writing.. well I don't know what to blame on, but my only nag about Salvation was the risk/horror factor. I thought skynet created Throwminators in that movie lmfao. Otherwise yes Salvation should have continued and ended in a trilogy where it closes the loop with Reese going back in time. That's all we needed but then.. it went off course as soon as the salvation trilogy plan was scrapped
@@iplyrunescape305 definitely. Imagine a Terminator movie like the flash back/forward scenes from T1 & T2 all about keeping Kyle alive and sending him back. Instead we got a cluster of Rrreee movies
@@iplyrunescape305 Well, most of those terminators were older models and grunts designed for gun combat. Also, the final one there was not only a prototype, but also it liked to toy with its prey like a natural predator. Plus, the T800s did throw some people alive in the first two. Agreed on the rest, though.
Connor is a messiah figure, fully flushing him out as an adult character takes away from that mystique, he's a symbol of hope and power and strength after Judgement day. I appreciate that its interesting to explore the actual person versus what he represents, but the strength of the first 2 films was providing snippets of info and letting you as a viewer run wild with them, the flashback scenes incredibly vivid and portrays the emotion of the future, but as a full movie I feel it would lose much of the horror, wonder that these scenes evoke
Norman Reedus as John Connor, Dan Stevens (Legion) as Kyle Reese, Hillary Swank (I Am Mother) as Sarah Connor, Schwarzenegger (one of John's soldier's that gets captured or a scientist enslaved by SkyNet/ same thing with Robert Patrick) - showing the skin factories, the evolution of the T-800's and the backstory of how they started getting produced on the assembly line after the first war, etc. I always wanted to know how the machines were able to "rise out of the ashes" of the nukes and also how the humans were able to survive the nuclear fallout, etc.
3:45 that is the movie i was hoping for. It would have truly caught the essence of T2. A truly dark and emotional film that definitly would have Grabbed you. You can even keep the new leader story in there because his destiny did change. Maybe John and new girl fall in love and he pulls a Kyle Reese and She becomes pregnant and the cycle starts over. Maybe Arnold could have been human in this because his machine should not technically exist anymore. Even John dying i feel could have been accepted but not in the way they did. it was like a well fuck you. He could've given his life and then start the new chapter. I mean hell John could have thrown a thumbs up as he was falling off something with a smile. Meanwhile Sarah Conner is also maybe settled but estranged with her son. but she keeps up with the signs and watches the news and maybe sees a potential orb spot that has been sanctioned off. She convinces John that it might be happening again but its not their war this time.
The concept of a John Connor mimicking Edwards real life could work and honestly would be such a real logical conclusion to a teenager who thought he would be this leader who no longer is. Imagine the headspace that would leave a young kid/teen in. You could really develop a story about John. Imagine we just follow him, no terminator comes but judgement day happens but once it does terminators are sent back in time at the start. We don’t have the long build to future war, instead it happens now. John now has to juxtapose what his past was, his current present and what his future should be.
I like the idea John Connor becomes a mechanic with a shop and then they see something on the news and like go “oh shit”. Carl can be a t800 that gets accidentally teleported too high up on cliff or someshit, bonked hard and rebooted in learning mode. Finds out skynet is no more and no point of it. Bam.
It basically touched on things of terminator 3 while making a better terminator 3 after it's writer's strike shortened first season. Followed by a really amazing season that was leading into john being in the future wars. With a cast nailing every role, sarah and john along with three other pretty awesome terminators and a few great supporting helpers, and some "normal people" too (as in not involved directly until they find out later or never at all). Nick Stahl, Christian bale, Jason Clarke, CGI-all PALE in comparison to the john connor of thomas dekker, who literally steps up and learns to be whom he is more and more. What even happened to him? We all know Lena Headey got on game of thrones (good for her) for so many years, last time i remember seeing thomas dekker was in the nightmare on elm street remake.
The next terminator should be Terminator: Too late. Where arnie just rocks up 5 mins too late and everyone is dead and he is just like "AHHHW SSHHEIITTT"
I would have liked if they had incorporated the idea from the deleted ending of T2. John Conor is a top guy in the government, a peace time leader, who has to step up to the new threat.
I really actually hated that ending. To be honest the whole thing to trying to erase Skynet from existence I didn't like. Humanity should live with their mistakes and not try to undo them...
rockstarcrossing True. Although, what I did like was that it gave John Connor a conclusion which shows he was a leader with or without skynet. I thought that was a cool idea.
My version of T3: use Deepfake software to bring back everyone during the T2 era. Nothing changes after the events of T2 because cyberdyne finds the T800 arm that was left behind. The nukes are launched on August 9th 1997 and John Connor still wins the war and sends Kyle back in time to close the loop.
It’s funny you mention exactly what I thought about furlong who could have been introduced as a mess who needed to clean up just like in his real life.
I like the idea of the 3rd movie story being inside the base before Skynet gets activated. If they "needed" a terminator, they could have one back as a sleeper guarding and ensuring that Skynet gets developed, after Cyberdine was blown up in T2. Some military scientists start to realize that something is off with this new AI and in trying to shut it down to investigate, people start dying in a scenario similar to "The Thing".
My T3 idea was instead of one guy, one terminator, whatever being sent back, instead, Skynet sends an entire army and just starts taking over everything, and then, the resistance army comes back with Future John Conner who works with Present John Conner and present forces and the whole movie is like a big battle war for the present world, and during this, Present John figures out why the future still happened and the big reveal is that Sarah had gone mental and did something little thing that caused Skynet to be created and they have to kill her, go back in time and kill her young version. I don't know. Great video, Cord.
I think that with all the little flaws in the SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES, that was the actual good follow up on the John Connor development after T2. You see how his reunion with Sarah is and both living together, with her still having PTSD about the events of the 1st and 2nd film and her role as a mother to a child that was a juvenile delinquent burdened with the responsibility of a global resistance leader. His psychological status as he tries to have a normal life with a mother that also was traumatized and obsessed. Lena Heady as a good actress may have not been my choice of Sarah because she played her mostly as a badass instead of a mentally and emotionally damaged forced badass. A theme that James Cameron used as an approached to also Ellen Ripley in ALIENS and a lot of fans tend to get confused because of all the gun shooting. Like Ripley, Sarah's moment of realizing that even in the high weapons training she obtained is that she was in fact NOT a soldier, but more like a damaged survivor that got a bit crazed. With all the tough exterior, she was still a soft and fragile person, that waitress in the diner we see her in the 1st movie, Ripley in ALIENS clearly states when she is being asked to go to the doomed colony of LV426 and told that she will go with the Marines as protection and she responds "Then you don't need me, I'm not a Soldier". The SCCs misses that in the characterization of Sarah Connor, BUT they hit it perfectly on John Connor himself after the events of T2 especially in the 1st episode and the pilot where he cries yelling to his mom that he never wanted to be a messiah figure and asks his mom to make the events stop. As the series progresses you see him becoming rebellious and in a way completely selfish, but then he changes slowly to understand his purpose, there is growth and I believe in the psychological aspects of all of these characters with new ones thrown in and new events there are more and better fortifying progressions...to me the only weak link in the characterization that NEEDED to be corrected was Sarah Connor herself and hence TERMINATOR THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES may have been the best sequel to T2 IMHO objectively and subjectively with all its flaws.
It should’ve been in the future with Eddie Furlong. He could be depressed and drinking a lot (due to the pressure of being a leader) which would explain Eddie not looking as good as he used to. The plot could be about why the events of the second movie didn’t end the war. Why did it still happen. Eddie sitting in a bunker drinking alcohol and thinking, “what happened. Why didn’t it work”
All they had to do was make a prequel revolving around Skynet and Kyle Reese during the war leading up to the events in the first movie similar to what Terminator: Dawn of Fate did. Then you have T1 and it ends with T2. Boom! There's your trilogy.
Has anyone else seen the alternate ending to 'T2: Judgement Day' at all? It's good. Sarah Connor grows old and gets drunk on the date of Judgement Day. John Connor becomes a US Senator and gets married and has a daugther, who for name's sake I like to imagine is called Kylie Connor, after the grandfather she never met. I've heard rumours that it's the ending James Cameron wanted to make that the actual ending but the studio pressured him to leave the movie open for a sequel... and sequel he didn't want to make... If you're interested in the alternate ending to 'T2: Judgement Day' and/or have never seen it, let me save you a google search:- ua-cam.com/video/9wkrLOC7x14/v-deo.html
I do think it's cool, but unrealistic. I feel they would've had to definitely be on the move, go underground, let a lot of heat die down. There were known fugitives and they'd still be asking questions about where the terminator (T-800 arnold) went. I think Sarah Connor Chronicles displayed all that really well, and I wish we'd gotten the third season that dropped John in the future wars-they had the look, feel, horror, acting, and everything there.
3 should have been the future war movie we all wanted. The narration at the start could have explained that Sarah and John, still unsure about whether they actually stopped Skynet, went off grid and trained regardless. The timeline goes as is established in the first two movies and Skynet went online in 1997. This leads us into the last days of the war where the movie begins and we follow John and Kyle as they plan to destroy the defense grid. We see Kyle and the reprogrammed T-800 from the second movie going into the TDU and the loop is completed. Everything that happened in the three movies was meant to happen and there's no changing it. The movie ends with John reflecting on the realization of this fact, knowing how it will play out over and over again for an eternity. Then we could have a spin off, 'Terminator Story' which is about Sarah and John living off grid and trying to stay out of sight. It would give us a proper send off for Sarah and it would end with the news that Skynet has gone rogue. A prequel to the third movie.
Here's a carzy thought Hollywood sould do when a franchise seems done how about just end that said franchise you had an ending to T2 that closed off it all but no money needs to be made
Actually no I want to actually see a future War we're talkin that. Between 2025 to 2032 John Connors fight against Skynet because how is John Connor supposed to be conceived if there's no Kyle Reese in the future to be sent back
Terminator 3 - 3 Stooges After multiple defeats at the hands of the humans, Skynet is desperate. In a new timeline, left with only Stooge Technology, Skynet sends three terminators back in time to finish the job the first two terminators botched.
@@kuriakos36 Dark fate destroyed any hope of a good terminator film because right now nobody is checking for it ever again. Terminator is officially box office poison.
@@legendofold101 man dont listen the People and propaganda i saw the movie 4 times 2 at cinema and 2 at camrip and now I'm waiting for blueray on torrentz to see it one more time to my home theatre system dont give a fuck the action was great everything was good grace Sarah arnold because john Connor dead but john connor was the leader of the resistance of skynet and because they stoped judgment day they started something new so john was for nothing legion now is the threat with new machines new army stop your mind we dont have 1985 we have 2019 things are change💓 trust me be open mind😊😉
A thing I constantly spruik about T2 is the relationship between John and the T-800, the monologue where sarah says " It would never leave him, It would never hurt him, never shout at him, or get drunk and hit him, or say it was too busy to spend time with him. It would always be there. And it would die to protect him." and the obvious line of "I know why you cry but it is something I can never do" The Terminator learns humanity, it loves John and John loves him, this is powerful stuff, beautiful stuff. To bring Arnie back for any more movies is pissing on this story, to which it shows Arnie couldn't give a fuck about the character. I liked in Salvation the CG Arnie shows up, John should've paused a lot longer and then the scene proceeded but I like it, I liked the Pops Vs T-800 (hated the recasting of Bill Paxton) but it was a cool scene, little easter eggs like that are alright but I think you guys hit the nail on the head with the Art Imitating life thing, Make John Conner a fuck up, bring Eddie Furlong back as a mess he is. Make Genysis an Alternate Timeline that they closed off with the sacrificing of Sarah and Reese's lives. There was great material in all the films after T2 but it was always executed terribly and like I said: it shit on the Boy and The Machine Relationship tail.
T3 shouldn't be so underappreciated, it's not so brilliant as T2, but it's still better than all following movies. I like it, it's following the original Terminator theme. And the Terminator storyline shouldn't be taken so seriously, it's an action flick based on Schwarzenegger's charisma, not science fiction.
Terminator 3 directing is so cheesy and corny as hell. IDK if that's intention or what. I can't help looking Terminator 3 looks like some parody comedy movie of Terminator. CG also looks worse.
they should brought John Conner (furlong) back as a jaded directionless junkie(big stretch), not able to deal with his piontless mundane existence. And it could have been about him refinding a purpose, his salvation finally being who he was meant to be.
My idea would be that John Connor realizes that he himself has to send 3 terminators with Kyle back in time to maintain the current timeline. So his life becomes devoted to inventing them and things go wrong.
It’s mind boggling Furlong wasn’t in DF. Did he refuse? If so, why? Why would he prefer they just pay him to use his likeness, instead of a real chance to reignite his flailing acting career, it reeks of an easy cash grab. Was he worried he’d have to get fit for the role, what? Why was Cameron so uninvolved despite having a credit for the story? Why was he OK with a retread of T2, instead of something wholly unique, was that his master plan for T3, all along? Where’s the passion, did his filming of the new Avatar films put that passion on the back burner? Why did Hamilton get involved, knowing the script had issues and the story was inconsequential? Why does it too feel she needed a good cash injection? Did she throw away her integrity she upheld since turning down Terminator 3, choosing to remain out of the franchise for twenty years, only to decide to finally return because she wanted to fuckin get a better mansion or some new cars? So many questions.
When cyberdyne was blown up, the future that the T800 warns about can never be. Kyle Reese warns about the time from which the T800 was not used to build skynet.
The big let down about the sequels following T2 is that we never got to see the big war leading to the fruition of John Connor inspiring a victory. All of the movies tease what starts it out tease an action sweetener or two but what we needed was too actually see the war that was prophesized about.
I completely agree with everything you guys said. I’ve always thought adult John played by Ed Furlong would have been perfect. Both peaked at a young age and had high expectations that they never lived up to(respectfully to Ed Furlong)
Too many idiotic F bombs. Immature. Thumbs DOWN!
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I know, right? should've kept it in theme and dropped H bombs instead
This is also my criticism of Dark Fate's use of their R rating.
Fuck off you fuck
@Al Smith What were all those other options.. ?
The Terminator: Resistance game is the Terminator 3 we needed
Don’t hold your breath, it’s being made by the same guys who did that shitty on-rails Rambo game a few years ago.
@@McSuperfly101 ua-cam.com/video/SR-bxfcDxts/v-deo.html watch this and then figure out wether or not you want it. i might get it.
@klanders988 - Oliver Harper is actually a reviewer I usually trust when it comes to most things so maybe I'll check it out in a few months when it's really cheap.
Yup, all Future War. John Connor leads the resistance. And it respects the lore.
@@McSuperfly101 I know, which is why I did not expect to love their Terminator game as much as I did. It's a love letter to the fans of T1&2.
Average production value, visible lack of experience, but definitely no lack of effort and passion!
The story is actually quite good too, and can easily be considered canon.
I just want another Terminator horror movie like the first one.
I read that Cameron wants to return to AS as a bad guy, like the 1984 film. CGI & de aging 💻 could work to a point. The big problem is the T films went all over in 100 different directions.
me too
it was actually alot scarier
A future war/Kyle Reese horror origin movie (fancast: Cameron Crovetti as young Kyle Reese) would actually work so well.
and the second
Yes! The first indeed WAS a horror/scifi. The third was.... just a comedy... and not funny.
Bale was a great Conner. Yelchin was a great teenage Reece.
Hated that Anton died so young...
I agree may his soul rest in peace
He played Reese so well because he studied Michael Biehn. And he took the time to do that because he genuinely loved the saga.
Salvation is the closest future war T3 we all wanted.
@@steliannikolov4163 deadass even though terminator resistance was pretty good
TERRIBLE
Norman Reedus could be fantastic adult Connor.
Oh shit, yeah, for sure...
He would only have to have dark brown lenses due to his eye color but otherwise - perfect...
Fuck yes! He looks the part.
Oh god, he would!!
blew my mind dude! He totally could.
bunnyfreakz isn’t that the fetus guy
"Pop Culture is Cancerous" are the wisest words I've heard on this platform
Corporations created that community. If we would get quality products then the toxic individuals would be minority to the point you would not even notice them. Today majority is filled with braindead idiots and neglected children. So next to that corporations don't even give a single fuck to make any effort. They lured in idiots to the point of no return. We need a hard reset in everything. This is the case in movies, games, anything really. The market is dead.
Honestly Salvation isn't as bad as most people make it out to be. It had introduced some great concepts and if it had been executed better, could've opened up the Terminator franchise to whole new world.
Well they were planning a second trilogy (4,5,and 6) with the war.
@@giovannigiovanni.7220 Yeah that still would've been more interesting than Genysis or Dark Fate which just repeated the same story just with different actors.
@@iusedtowrite6667 Indeed.
I like Salvation, but I think it would have been better with more Christian Bale and less Sam Worthington plot. oh and without "thowminator"
It isn't as bad as most people make it out to be. It's worse.
Edward Furlong should have been a reclusive hacker in hiding but still with his cool vibe like in T2 "Easy money" and the movie should have been about trying to find him with Sarah and the T-800 then building him back up. Even if he was in the background, bringing down Legion remotely. His current appearance would be perfect because John Connor would probably have PTSD, drug and alcohol problems after the events of T2 and coming to terms with his life. Add in Robert Patrick in a T-1000 origins role, Michael Biehn, de-aged flashbacks and the Future War and you have a great premise for a true T3 but it would have to be directed by Cameron for it to be remotely decent.
This is why you don't have a job making movies
@@nepntzerZer Give us your idea then?
No.
I like that. Dude is a recluse concept
Eddie should go workout with Arnold for 3 months, then he'd be right to return as John Connor.
Then he'd be a Terminator!
@Xen Rockstar IKR? Arnold should have had that kid in the gym. Put him on a diet, cut out the cigarettes, booze, and sugar and got him in badass robot killer shape. Oh well, one can dream can't they?
There’s no way 3 months can change a body that much.
Eddie is too short to and lacks the masculinity be taken seriously as a badass
Edward just looking like he looks in real life is an excellent idea. If done right it could ride the realistic wave hard.
@Boba Fett Probably, but I would assume such charges has little economic effect. The more controversy something has the more money. The creators of Joker played this well and I assume more is in the works.
Realism is desperately needed in film again. Or at least the attempt to make it look real.
@@darthwizzywizard Agreed. By keeping the human angle realistic the sci-fi angle becomes more impactful as the audience can relate to the characters.
@@GnosticAtheist 100%.
Just doing a line of blow before blasting terminators
"James Cameron doesn't do what James Cameron does for James Cameron.
James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron is James Cameron."
- James Cameron
2nd only to
"Russell Crowe - Fightin' 'Round Tha Wurld!"
Who's that? It's him!
The franchise should have ended with Terminator 2. Just like Aliens & Predator 2. Guys like James Cameron & Guillermo Del Toro when they make a sequel, finish, you can't beat them. Although I agree that Salvation is underrated, it just needed that James Cameron look.
"Did I ever tell you my favourite colour is blue?" - James Cameron...oops I mean Sutter Cane.
James sold out for money and maybe politics, but mostly money for lame Avatar sequels.
Still can't believe Battle Angel Alita was good.
But yeah, Both Terminator and Alien end with their 1st sequels.
Nothing that came afterwards matched them. Nothing.
predator 2 is garvage too. the only good predator is the original
I disagree, Predator 2 is underrated. You want garbage? Watch the 2018, I don't remember part 2 being a stupid comedy.
@@jwnj9716 i said garvage, that movie is a meh at most. Pretator 1 is and always will be refference for any predator movie.predator 2 is the secuel no one cares about.
Of course, the first film will always be the best one. Predator 2 had a lot of great moments, Danny Glover and his team were likeable and great, come on, you have Bill Paxton. I'm glad he didn't use traps or mud as camouflage, he just beats the shit out of it. Lethal Weapon with a Predator. And then you watch the 2018 where it just shits on the first 2 films...also the 3rd which is a meh to me. But hey, it's ok if you don't love it, nothing wrong with that. You should watch Rageaholic's review of Predator 2, it's pretty entertaining & funny, the guy can talk forever.
I would have loved Edward Furlong to have returned. I don't think hes nearly as out of shape as people joke about, though they could interweave abit of his personal life in it.
He got depressed after the events of T2 due to being hyped as the Savior and now being a nobody. That could explain the body shape and drug use. Now hes faced with a new threat.
@Boba Fett oh i wasn't even aware of domestic abuse. I just knew he did drugs and gained some weight. Yikes.
At the end of the day does he deserve it?
Cyrus S he was a good actor in American history x and could’ve had the gravitas to pull it off as an adult.
@Boba Fett meh, what famous or not so famous person haven't had some domestic issue, plenty of people, I don't think that would have much impact.
Imagine seeing John in 2003 as an out of shape drunk. I’d watch it. The first scene after the credit title T3, we the auidience hear the crack of opening a beer and lighting of a joint. This is after a nightmare of a terminator knocking on his door and him opening it only to be shot. After he wakes up and takes a sip and a hit, he opens the door which in realit is being knocked on but by dominos. He only has exact change.
The deleted ending scene for T2 shows john with his now daughter and old Sarah at a playground... They should of have continued the story from there or left it at that
There is T1 and T2. The rest is pointless. THE END.
Would’ve made sense to do prequel where we see John getting Kyle and the T-800 to the time machine
That would have been an ideal opening to the new one, seeing how they wanted to switch the savior from John to whats-er-name and bring in a new threat after Skynet was dismantled.
Would have made having a new actor to play John more acceptable too, seeing how he's 20 years older.
@@gustavoalmanza2673 and imagine after sending the second T-800 back to protect John in T2, the timeline just changes around them because of T2 changing the future, that would be pretty cool, but I still prefer only T1 and T2 and the stuff we haven’t seen like Kyle getting sent back being left to our imagination. We have seen some good action of the dark future in both movies as well, so I’d say it’s pretty satisfying, and we get the satisfying end where they changed the future and prevented ‘Judgement Day’
@@RoosterMontgomery that’s false, James Cameron didn’t say that
John Connor: knows weapons, knows how to hack, knows how to hide from authorities, and many more skills to defeat Skynet.
Dani Ramos: what does she know again?
As much as I believe that the new characters are criminally uninteresting, John had his mother to teach him these sort of things. Dani's father had no idea his daughter was supposed to become the savior of mankind.
Hides from Walls : lv100
She replaces John Conner so woman's can be happy?
She's a GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRLLLLLLLLLLL. She makes SJW's happy because every male has to be replaced by a GRRRRRRRRRRRL: Doctor in Doctor Who is now a GRRRRRRRL, and so is the arch enemy Master; Do Rey Mi in SJW Wars is the GRRRRRRRRRRRRL version of Luke Skywalker; Bond now has a GRRRRRRRRRRRL super spy while James is a cucked husband; Charlie's Angels went to less feminine GRRRRRLLLLL's who aren't attractive to evil men; Ghost Busters went to GRRRRRRRRRRRRRLS. The new Terminator also has a glorious illegal trying to cross the border.
@@-_glowing.redmoon_- I was gonna say TACO
The saga should have keep the story of Terminator Salvation, reboots only screwed everything
Norman Reedus was active back in 2003, that would've been killer if they gotten him to play John Connor, and maybe even Salvation.
If someone said to you back in 2003 they should have got Norman Reedus instead of Nick Stahl, you probably would have asked "Who?". :)
Norman reedus was a nobody in those years, c’mon man
Ich Bin; Shoot, we said the same thing about Kristanna Loken and she killed that role! But I guess since she's female that's different 🤷
@@RadeonX0X i still dont know who nick stahl is 🤷♂️
Quietbeest
Wow!!...............
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I feel really bad for Edward furlong
Why, he had more chance than most people? ...
Jozsef NGJ because it’s sad to see someone I watched as my favorite character in one the best films ever made become a drug addicted loser.
Chris L well he is apparently he is taking cocaine and is basically unemployed
His resume was excellent. He shouldn’t of stopped making movies...
Cody Foth yeah, but I guess it might have had something to do with his addictions
If Edward Furlong was to be in a hypothetical T3 film, a messed John Connor-who-gets-his-act-together would have been the way forward.
The Furlong bait & switch set the Tone for Dark Fate from the start. Massive disappointment. They basically "ignored" the other installments by merging them all together.
You guys are very likely spot on about the script & the "treatment" process. Check the Matrix vs Sophia Stewart case study for the crumb trail of receipts.
T3 Shoudlve been T3: Future Soldier or T3: The Futures Past (something of that nature) , and been strictly a Kyle Reese future war origin story, show us HIS childhood and teen years and focus on the future war from his perspective as he fights for survival , they could show us when he got that picture of sarah and when he started developing feelings for a woman from a different time, they could show us his epic battles against large amounts of roaming T800s and the depression fighting a never ending war for survival would cause. I mean there is just so many interesting things u can do with that playbook. The perfect ending too could be a battle weary scarred up Kyle Reese kneeling down in the time machine while John Connor tells him that his very existence relies on him and he must succeed or all will be lost, something like that is what the franchise needed not just another same ol "terminator sent back in time to kill someone" copy and paste story.
Dark Fate is literally the Sonic Forces of the Terminator franchise. A new entry that just crams in a bunch of elements from the previous entries without knowing what made those elements so good, and what we’re left with is a soulless, mediocre mess that’s not even interesting enough to be even held in infamous like the other disasters(Sonic 06=Genisys).
Sonic Farce.
T2, like Return of the Jedi, ended so perfectly that any sequel idea is doomed for failure
Especially now that the sequels are designed to deliver SJW ideals.
T1 and T2 are a duology. A great story of two. But duologies don't have that satisfying sense of completeness, and trilogies do. That's why Hollywood was able to leave the Matrix and Back to the Future alone because they felt complete, but the Terminator will never feel truly done.
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Matrix apparently is getting a 4th movie...hopefully Back to the Future will be left alone.
With Terminator, four failed sequels after T2 means that no one could think of a way to further the story without disappointing fans. And that gets back to my original point...T2 ended the story too perfectly to attempt a continuation
RotJ fucked up the ground battle on Endor (should have been wookie slaves not ewoks) and didn't deal with the downfall of the actual Imperial state and infrastructure.
I dunno, I thought Force Awakens was a solid movie, but Last Jedi absolutely sh!t the bed
It's okay, we got Terminator Resistance on Steam, PS4, and Xbox One. Made by the fans for the fans.
There's also a fan game called Tech-com 2029.
Yessir!
Was that game good I never heard of it before
@@stevencoil9831 The game play is...meh, but the atmosphere is so darn good. Really felt like a future-war future.
It is legit, if a little disappointing. Hopefully if they decide to make a sequel, they improve on the first one by a lot.
If salvation was rated R it could have been super badass. Even at pg13 salvation is the best one out of the movies after T2.
I like how the TX didn't go after John Connor first, she went after the younger selves of all of his lieutenants in the future.
Agreed. TX was a GREAT Terminator.
She would have had big trouble if I had been one of John's LT's. End of movie when she met up with me.
Skynet: "I thought we made the Terminators to kill humans."
Not that human, Skynet.
@@giovannigiovanni.7220 So true. I even imagined one like the TX being reprogrammed-granted I preferred seeing a literal machine-terminator as it's follow up. However her plotline and actions were quite well done.
I don't see T3 was being a bad movie, it has some really cool stuff in it and I would say if anything, the ending it shows should've happened way earlier in the film and them showed us them trying to deal with the fallout time/aftermath and setting up more for salvation (which in turn, directed by someone else, and no mad-max fanboying+a transformer in it). They just crammed too much T2 fanservice into it. Still take it as the third film of a franchise anyday, and let the others be alternative timelines, or totally ignore them (dark fate is such garbage). I wish we'd seen a couple TX's actually instead of that transformer in salvation.
That's cause connor lived off the grid, no digital presence for her to track so she went with secondary targets.... the lieutenants.
@@giovannigiovanni.7220 I disagree. Don't get me wrong, she was cool, but I actually really liked the Rev-9 much more. The fact that he could split into two fully functional terminators (one looking like it was made from the pitts of hell, too) was freaking awesome. Dark Fate had its problems, and the Rev-9 was definitely not one of them
I just want Sarah Connor Chronicles back. Even if was just a 10 episode rap up.
I'd love that too. Hated that it ended on a Clif hanger.
There should never be a Terminator 3.2 ended things perfectly.
Terminator salvation was good. Not perfect but better than everything after t2
I loved the way the war in the future looked in t1, t2 and the universal studios 3d thing.
It looked more believable that's for sure.
James Cameron: Terminator Genysis is a great continuation to the series.
Also James Cameron: I've never seen any of those sequels.
He also produced Alita so I guess he's gonna push Robbie Rod to make that sequel since everybody loves Alita.
rip to the young kyle reese in t4 who is the one in only anton yelchin
Juniordriver he wouldn’t have survived, dumb fucker ran himself over with his own car
@@JoolzThePirate the breaks were faulty not his fault, the model was recalled I think
Erekt k3k incorrect, left it in drive
He was such an amazing actor I love all his roles and other movies
My respect for James Cameron ended after 10mins of dark fate. When that scene of John/ a young Eddie being assassinated took place I couldn’t believe he would have put his name to it in any shape or form.
He allowed an icon in a character and tbh no matter what people say he allowed an icon of a child actor in Eddie Furlong to be discarded like trash after both of the above were the focal point for the best sequel ever created. I’ll never forgive him for giving his blessing to that and I’m sorry but if anyone thinks he didn’t have influence on what was going on in dark fate then your mad. He had moved on from terminator a long long time ago and he didn’t stop for a second and consider the fans of the original generation of Terminator movies at all.
Any future Cameron movies?? I’ll pass thanks. Go back to deep sea diving.
Can you blame him for not giving a fuck?
Oh man, I was right here with you, 100 percent, then I started to let go. I got to the stage where I realized that no matter what JC and SC did, they were never going to be safe. They would have sent Terminators, one after the other, until John was dead. So, I forgave him, but still, the movie could have been amazing and we got a very strange tale of an old robot with aging outer skin, an old lady that keeps blowing up terminators from signals from a robot, another JOHN in the form of a girl, a human hybrid, and one awesome killer robot that was really cool to see on screen. Strange stuff but I re-watched it and it bothered me less and less. Now, I can tolerate it. But yeah, logically, I get why John died but that wasn't the story we needed.
Was so blown away by T2. Difficult to improve on perfection. Say what u will about JC, very hard for a new director to come after him
We need a movie that builds up to Kyle reese's life and how he lost everything and what he went through alone before meeting up with John connor and how he became a Resistance fighter and got the rank of Sgt.
Salvation was the shit because that was the beginning of the future war, and it was grimmy and also fuckin perfect cause this was actually a film how the terminators and the T_800 were getting built and how skynet was getting started along with the resistance and how they were studying humans for infiltration units and how the resistance were studying about terminators and how to stop them and last but not least how they started off with weapons. before the actual laser rifles and shit. Christian bale as john connor was the shit and young kyle reese just everything including john connors wife and etc. But they had to fuckin kill it with dark fate like get the fuck out of here with that.
We saw that in Salvation. Kyle was a kid when he met John.
@@fjccommish no he was a teen when he met john, ik talking about as a kid alone getting hunted by the machines up until teen years pass and hes now in the 2029 timeline in the future before he was John's right hand man
@@andygalicia1202 Kind of weird. For some reason, I remembered him as being younger in Salvation. I just watched the clips - he's supposedly 16, but he looks 20ish.
@@fjccommish nah hes a teen in salvation, its told in a tape to john by sarah that hes only a teen when he first meets him and finds him.
I would loooove NOTHING MORE THAN 2 C a movie about Kyle Reese he is my favorite character
Your take on how Eddie was drug addicted and all that, then has to straighten out would have been so much better than what we have now. It’s actually genius. I like it. But would of should of could of.
EDIT: I’m sure Eddie Furlong could get into shape for the role as well. It happens all the time.
He's got a bad reputation right now, he really wouldn't be a good casting choice.
@@KidaMilo89 its Hollywood on how they treat their actors regardless of what they went through.
@@brockly7916 Yeah but they're not going to cast a guy with bad rep. It could hurt the box office. Other than that, yeah you're right.
@@brockly7916 ?
He really would for a chance to be in big blockbuster again
That would be hard to do well, but interesting the whole Millitary Thriller, right at the point where skynet is "born" and judgement day about to happen.
wargames like movies kinda, would be cool
The fact that *Norman Reedus* wasnt cast to play adult John Conner is Mind Boggling
There is absolutely no reason to make a T3, it amazes me nobody ever sees what T2 in my eyes is really about; A machine and a boy having a platonic relationship. The most beautiful line in the movie "I know now why you cry, But it's something I can never do." The Terminator feels pain because he has to leave John because he loves him but his existence threatens John and humanity. The machine created to destroy humanity has gained humanity.
T2 wasn’t Eddie Furlongs only role. He was in American History X and that came out 7 years after T2.
They mention that and Detroit Rock City.
He also did American Heart, Little Odessa, and the seriously underrated Brainscan.
You could of had one in the future, and the premise is to get Kyle Reece to the time machine. That way it makes the complete loop. Make it in the style and the weight of Rogue One.
A rag tag team trying to get Reese there, see how both sides of the resistance and Skynet. You could have humans voluntarily working for Skynet, you could see terminators being operated by humans trying to get intel, different factions within each side. It could work.
That 3D ride at universal studios should've been T3
That would have been way better than rise of the machines
Salvation is wayyyy UNDERRATED.
Great cast $$$
Great setting $$$
Good writing $$$
T1 T2 T Salvation
The rest are Reeee
writing.. well I don't know what to blame on, but my only nag about Salvation was the risk/horror factor. I thought skynet created Throwminators in that movie lmfao.
Otherwise yes Salvation should have continued and ended in a trilogy where it closes the loop with Reese going back in time. That's all we needed but then.. it went off course as soon as the salvation trilogy plan was scrapped
@@iplyrunescape305 definitely. Imagine a Terminator movie like the flash back/forward scenes from T1 & T2 all about keeping Kyle alive and sending him back.
Instead we got a cluster of Rrreee movies
Sorry but when a movie falls flat on its ass in its 3rd act it's NOT good writing.
@@iplyrunescape305 Well, most of those terminators were older models and grunts designed for gun combat. Also, the final one there was not only a prototype, but also it liked to toy with its prey like a natural predator. Plus, the T800s did throw some people alive in the first two. Agreed on the rest, though.
Dark Fate 2019 is NOT bad, if the other T films were not in the past.
Connor is a messiah figure, fully flushing him out as an adult character takes away from that mystique, he's a symbol of hope and power and strength after Judgement day. I appreciate that its interesting to explore the actual person versus what he represents, but the strength of the first 2 films was providing snippets of info and letting you as a viewer run wild with them, the flashback scenes incredibly vivid and portrays the emotion of the future, but as a full movie I feel it would lose much of the horror, wonder that these scenes evoke
Norman Reedus as John Connor, Dan Stevens (Legion) as Kyle Reese, Hillary Swank (I Am Mother) as Sarah Connor, Schwarzenegger (one of John's soldier's that gets captured or a scientist enslaved by SkyNet/ same thing with Robert Patrick) - showing the skin factories, the evolution of the T-800's and the backstory of how they started getting produced on the assembly line after the first war, etc. I always wanted to know how the machines were able to "rise out of the ashes" of the nukes and also how the humans were able to survive the nuclear fallout, etc.
3:45 that is the movie i was hoping for. It would have truly caught the essence of T2. A truly dark and emotional film that definitly would have Grabbed you. You can even keep the new leader story in there because his destiny did change. Maybe John and new girl fall in love and he pulls a Kyle Reese and She becomes pregnant and the cycle starts over. Maybe Arnold could have been human in this because his machine should not technically exist anymore. Even John dying i feel could have been accepted but not in the way they did. it was like a well fuck you. He could've given his life and then start the new chapter. I mean hell John could have thrown a thumbs up as he was falling off something with a smile. Meanwhile Sarah Conner is also maybe settled but estranged with her son. but she keeps up with the signs and watches the news and maybe sees a potential orb spot that has been sanctioned off. She convinces John that it might be happening again but its not their war this time.
Lmao " Time for men to get scared GRACE the movie " I lost it at that part 😂😂
Just imagine a Terminator moive set after the end of skynet in the future, humanity rebuilding and maybe some lost terminators or something.
The concept of a John Connor mimicking Edwards real life could work and honestly would be such a real logical conclusion to a teenager who thought he would be this leader who no longer is. Imagine the headspace that would leave a young kid/teen in. You could really develop a story about John. Imagine we just follow him, no terminator comes but judgement day happens but once it does terminators are sent back in time at the start. We don’t have the long build to future war, instead it happens now. John now has to juxtapose what his past was, his current present and what his future should be.
Salvation was the true sequel. Great movie, definitely overlooked! Could of lead to dope ass sequels with Bale as John Connor
I like the idea John Connor becomes a mechanic with a shop and then they see something on the news and like go “oh shit”. Carl can be a t800 that gets accidentally teleported too high up on cliff or someshit, bonked hard and rebooted in learning mode. Finds out skynet is no more and no point of it. Bam.
Could "The Sarah Connor Chronicles" be considered a Terminator 3?
khaewen yes. That would be canon to me
No since it can't be canon
It basically touched on things of terminator 3 while making a better terminator 3 after it's writer's strike shortened first season.
Followed by a really amazing season that was leading into john being in the future wars. With a cast nailing every role, sarah and john along with three other pretty awesome terminators and a few great supporting helpers, and some "normal people" too (as in not involved directly until they find out later or never at all). Nick Stahl, Christian bale, Jason Clarke, CGI-all PALE in comparison to the john connor of thomas dekker, who literally steps up and learns to be whom he is more and more. What even happened to him? We all know Lena Headey got on game of thrones (good for her) for so many years, last time i remember seeing thomas dekker was in the nightmare on elm street remake.
The next terminator should be Terminator: Too late. Where arnie just rocks up 5 mins too late and everyone is dead and he is just like "AHHHW SSHHEIITTT"
I would have liked if they had incorporated the idea from the deleted ending of T2. John Conor is a top guy in the government, a peace time leader, who has to step up to the new threat.
I really actually hated that ending. To be honest the whole thing to trying to erase Skynet from existence I didn't like. Humanity should live with their mistakes and not try to undo them...
rockstarcrossing True. Although, what I did like was that it gave John Connor a conclusion which shows he was a leader with or without skynet. I thought that was a cool idea.
My version of T3: use Deepfake software to bring back everyone during the T2 era. Nothing changes after the events of T2 because cyberdyne finds the T800 arm that was left behind. The nukes are launched on August 9th 1997 and John Connor still wins the war and sends Kyle back in time to close the loop.
Make it the reverse of T1. Kyle has to hunt and kill the Terminator.
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It’s funny you mention exactly what I thought about furlong who could have been introduced as a mess who needed to clean up just like in his real life.
I like the idea of the 3rd movie story being inside the base before Skynet gets activated. If they "needed" a terminator, they could have one back as a sleeper guarding and ensuring that Skynet gets developed, after Cyberdine was blown up in T2. Some military scientists start to realize that something is off with this new AI and in trying to shut it down to investigate, people start dying in a scenario similar to "The Thing".
Guys you are so right. Super analysis and movie theory. Additionally, Furlong seems to be a really good guy who might have needed this boost.
My T3 idea was instead of one guy, one terminator, whatever being sent back, instead, Skynet sends an entire army and just starts taking over everything, and then, the resistance army comes back with Future John Conner who works with Present John Conner and present forces and the whole movie is like a big battle war for the present world, and during this, Present John figures out why the future still happened and the big reveal is that Sarah had gone mental and did something little thing that caused Skynet to be created and they have to kill her, go back in time and kill her young version. I don't know. Great video, Cord.
I think that with all the little flaws in the SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES, that was the actual good follow up on the John Connor development after T2. You see how his reunion with Sarah is and both living together, with her still having PTSD about the events of the 1st and 2nd film and her role as a mother to a child that was a juvenile delinquent burdened with the responsibility of a global resistance leader. His psychological status as he tries to have a normal life with a mother that also was traumatized and obsessed. Lena Heady as a good actress may have not been my choice of Sarah because she played her mostly as a badass instead of a mentally and emotionally damaged forced badass. A theme that James Cameron used as an approached to also Ellen Ripley in ALIENS and a lot of fans tend to get confused because of all the gun shooting. Like Ripley, Sarah's moment of realizing that even in the high weapons training she obtained is that she was in fact NOT a soldier, but more like a damaged survivor that got a bit crazed. With all the tough exterior, she was still a soft and fragile person, that waitress in the diner we see her in the 1st movie, Ripley in ALIENS clearly states when she is being asked to go to the doomed colony of LV426 and told that she will go with the Marines as protection and she responds "Then you don't need me, I'm not a Soldier". The SCCs misses that in the characterization of Sarah Connor, BUT they hit it perfectly on John Connor himself after the events of T2 especially in the 1st episode and the pilot where he cries yelling to his mom that he never wanted to be a messiah figure and asks his mom to make the events stop. As the series progresses you see him becoming rebellious and in a way completely selfish, but then he changes slowly to understand his purpose, there is growth and I believe in the psychological aspects of all of these characters with new ones thrown in and new events there are more and better fortifying progressions...to me the only weak link in the characterization that NEEDED to be corrected was Sarah Connor herself and hence TERMINATOR THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES may have been the best sequel to T2 IMHO objectively and subjectively with all its flaws.
It should’ve been in the future with Eddie Furlong. He could be depressed and drinking a lot (due to the pressure of being a leader) which would explain Eddie not looking as good as he used to.
The plot could be about why the events of the second movie didn’t end the war. Why did it still happen. Eddie sitting in a bunker drinking alcohol and thinking, “what happened. Why didn’t it work”
They should have kept John Connor in the movie dealing with alcohol and stress with the new characters as a support cast .
john getting his shit together after seeing the new terminator 30 years later would have been an EPIC story line !!!!!
An actual good movie where Linda Hamilton and Arnold are hunting down Terminators.
All they had to do was make a prequel revolving around Skynet and Kyle Reese during the war leading up to the events in the first movie similar to what Terminator: Dawn of Fate did. Then you have T1 and it ends with T2. Boom! There's your trilogy.
Has anyone else seen the alternate ending to 'T2: Judgement Day' at all? It's good.
Sarah Connor grows old and gets drunk on the date of Judgement Day. John Connor becomes a US Senator and gets married and has a daugther, who for name's sake I like to imagine is called Kylie Connor, after the grandfather she never met. I've heard rumours that it's the ending James Cameron wanted to make that the actual ending but the studio pressured him to leave the movie open for a sequel... and sequel he didn't want to make...
If you're interested in the alternate ending to 'T2: Judgement Day' and/or have never seen it, let me save you a google search:-
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It wouldn't have closed a sequel - alternate time lines.
I do think it's cool, but unrealistic. I feel they would've had to definitely be on the move, go underground, let a lot of heat die down. There were known fugitives and they'd still be asking questions about where the terminator (T-800 arnold) went. I think Sarah Connor Chronicles displayed all that really well, and I wish we'd gotten the third season that dropped John in the future wars-they had the look, feel, horror, acting, and everything there.
3 should have been the future war movie we all wanted. The narration at the start could have explained that Sarah and John, still unsure about whether they actually stopped Skynet, went off grid and trained regardless. The timeline goes as is established in the first two movies and Skynet went online in 1997.
This leads us into the last days of the war where the movie begins and we follow John and Kyle as they plan to destroy the defense grid. We see Kyle and the reprogrammed T-800 from the second movie going into the TDU and the loop is completed. Everything that happened in the three movies was meant to happen and there's no changing it. The movie ends with John reflecting on the realization of this fact, knowing how it will play out over and over again for an eternity.
Then we could have a spin off, 'Terminator Story' which is about Sarah and John living off grid and trying to stay out of sight. It would give us a proper send off for Sarah and it would end with the news that Skynet has gone rogue. A prequel to the third movie.
Here's a carzy thought Hollywood sould do when a franchise seems done how about just end that said franchise you had an ending to T2 that closed off it all but no money needs to be made
Just make a new story.
Actually no I want to actually see a future War we're talkin that. Between 2025 to 2032 John Connors fight against Skynet because how is John Connor supposed to be conceived if there's no Kyle Reese in the future to be sent back
FOR JAAAAAAAHN!
I'M GONNA STAND AND FIGHT!
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The ONLY TRUE sequel to T2 in my opinion, was Terminator 2: 3D Across Time! ;D
Terminator 3 - 3 Stooges
After multiple defeats at the hands of the humans, Skynet is desperate. In a new timeline, left with only Stooge Technology, Skynet sends three terminators back in time to finish the job the first two terminators botched.
Terminator salvation is greater than ever since woke fate.
Joshua Tica, Salvation Looks like a Classic compared with Dark Fate!!!!
They need to make more of this I actually want to see the future war in the movies and continued it at the end of the war it would be interesting
Dark fate is the best man fuck it salvation is good but not so good action its a little dark and the battle is dark
@@kuriakos36 Dark fate destroyed any hope of a good terminator film because right now nobody is checking for it ever again. Terminator is officially box office poison.
@@legendofold101 man dont listen the People and propaganda i saw the movie 4 times 2 at cinema and 2 at camrip and now I'm waiting for blueray on torrentz to see it one more time to my home theatre system dont give a fuck the action was great everything was good grace Sarah arnold because john Connor dead but john connor was the leader of the resistance of skynet and because they stoped judgment day they started something new so john was for nothing legion now is the threat with new machines new army stop your mind we dont have 1985 we have 2019 things are change💓 trust me be open mind😊😉
*It's just so sad John Connor was saved and turned out an overweight junkie. :(*
It's not just that pop culture killed this franchise its that they know it did and they're still doing it
Terminator 3 for me should have been the future war
A thing I constantly spruik about T2 is the relationship between John and the T-800, the monologue where sarah says " It would never leave him, It would never hurt him, never shout at him, or get drunk and hit him, or say it was too busy to spend time with him. It would always be there. And it would die to protect him." and the obvious line of "I know why you cry but it is something I can never do" The Terminator learns humanity, it loves John and John loves him, this is powerful stuff, beautiful stuff. To bring Arnie back for any more movies is pissing on this story, to which it shows Arnie couldn't give a fuck about the character. I liked in Salvation the CG Arnie shows up, John should've paused a lot longer and then the scene proceeded but I like it, I liked the Pops Vs T-800 (hated the recasting of Bill Paxton) but it was a cool scene, little easter eggs like that are alright but I think you guys hit the nail on the head with the Art Imitating life thing, Make John Conner a fuck up, bring Eddie Furlong back as a mess he is. Make Genysis an Alternate Timeline that they closed off with the sacrificing of Sarah and Reese's lives. There was great material in all the films after T2 but it was always executed terribly and like I said: it shit on the Boy and The Machine Relationship tail.
Cameron said he had the idea to kill john
He actually had that idea since before rise of the Machines was even made
Linda Hamilton was a babe back in the day
Awesome video! I 100% agree with you , they should have made films about the lead up
to Kyle's life and the future war.
@MarceloMedeiros-iv2xi yes absolutely! You're right! Michael Bein is phenomenal and should have been used so much more! 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
If you guys ever notice in T2, the old John Connor at beginning of film, looks just like a 2019 Josh Brolin
T3 shouldn't be so underappreciated, it's not so brilliant as T2, but it's still better than all following movies. I like it, it's following the original Terminator theme. And the Terminator storyline shouldn't be taken so seriously, it's an action flick based on Schwarzenegger's charisma, not science fiction.
Except for the whole "no fate but what we make" thing, which is kinda central to T2.
Terminator 3 directing is so cheesy and corny as hell. IDK if that's intention or what. I can't help looking Terminator 3 looks like some parody comedy movie of Terminator. CG also looks worse.
@@bunnyfreakz Admitted, but better cheesy than convoluted.
@@bunnyfreakz Checkout this Terminator 3:Rise Of Machines Edit: ua-cam.com/video/8Xdk2O0BkF8/v-deo.html
they should brought John Conner (furlong) back as a jaded directionless junkie(big stretch), not able to deal with his piontless mundane existence. And it could have been about him refinding a purpose, his salvation finally being who he was meant to be.
He also did a crow movie as well.
Imagine a Terminator 3 directed by Cameron - with Christian Bale as John Connor!
Bale was set to do a 3 film arc but the movie in 2009 was less than a huge hit $$$. It made some money but turned a lot of studio execs away.
@@DavidLLambertmobile I remember, yes. I was so excited when that was announced.
*Terminator Dark Fate was total garbage*
*The only thing they can do to redeem the series is make it a multiverse*
Dark Fate was so bad. Complete disgrace
My T3 idea is 1 bad T800 comes back and that’s it. No reactance makes it through. John has to fight the terminator using all the training he’s had.
They killed him off twice - he became a Terminator, and now he's dead.
Man. I have been missing out on some delicious content. Love going through your back catalogue of videos!
Not-so-popular opinion:
nobody ever needed a *second* Terminator-movie in the first place.
With Terminator movies it's like with the genders. There are only two of them.
Affirmitive
Justin Bieber made this movie flop all by himself. It's a SHE? Ohhhh.
Techcom2029 is the t3 we need. All fan made gold. The first 10 minutes of the game is more terminator than any terminator movie made since t2.
Present day Edward Furlong looks like he smells like Cheetos, incense and BO.
Terminator 2 and Salvation are my favorite terminator movies
My idea would be that John Connor realizes that he himself has to send 3 terminators with Kyle back in time to maintain the current timeline. So his life becomes devoted to inventing them and things go wrong.
I love all these terminator videos!
It’s mind boggling Furlong wasn’t in DF. Did he refuse? If so, why? Why would he prefer they just pay him to use his likeness, instead of a real chance to reignite his flailing acting career, it reeks of an easy cash grab. Was he worried he’d have to get fit for the role, what?
Why was Cameron so uninvolved despite having a credit for the story? Why was he OK with a retread of T2, instead of something wholly unique, was that his master plan for T3, all along? Where’s the passion, did his filming of the new Avatar films put that passion on the back burner? Why did Hamilton get involved, knowing the script had issues and the story was inconsequential? Why does it too feel she needed a good cash injection? Did she throw away her integrity she upheld since turning down Terminator 3, choosing to remain out of the franchise for twenty years, only to decide to finally return because she wanted to fuckin get a better mansion or some new cars? So many questions.
When cyberdyne was blown up, the future that the T800 warns about can never be. Kyle Reese warns about the time from which the T800 was not used to build skynet.
The big let down about the sequels following T2 is that we never got to see the big war leading to the fruition of John Connor inspiring a victory. All of the movies tease what starts it out tease an action sweetener or two but what we needed was too actually see the war that was prophesized about.
For terminator to redeem itself it needs an evil Arnie again.
That's what JC has openly said. I did not hate or have disdain for Dark Fate, 2019. It was 💯 times better than Genesys.
I completely agree with everything you guys said. I’ve always thought adult John played by Ed Furlong would have been perfect. Both peaked at a young age and had high expectations that they never lived up to(respectfully to Ed Furlong)