Succeeding in a boss fight when the rest of the team is on the floor in a dungeon almost solely because of clemency is a sheer amount of serotonin I can't begin to describe
I already shared some points at the end of the video, but I'm probably not nuking this again unless something else is really out of whack. The only thing that I did find funny is that I had 2 friends who both play paladin watch my original video and we all had the wrong idea about certain abilities. Otherwise this video is almost identical to what it was before. It's still my responsibility to make things as accurate as possible and on that front, I failed. So if you are curious, or watched the previous version, here are the patch notes. Version 1.1 Hotfix: 4:26 - reworded buffs to not imply you always double weave every single rotation 7:03 - reworded gauge generation 7:26 - Fixed How Divine Veil Works 8:17 - Fixed Passage of Arms 12:16 - shield bash is not completely useless 17:09 - Rewording explanation for ranged first 19:23 - Fixing Hallowed Ground Plus Cover 22:18 - fixing timings for buffs Version 1.2 Not in video: 6:45 - Sheltron and blocking will behave differently as you level. 9:07 - I use the phase "go to 50%" I should have said "goes up by 50%" A simple mistake but with vastly different meanings.
Man, so many healing buffs in this game don't work on OGCDs. It really makes me question why they bother to do this or what the mentality behind it is. Like....why does Scholar's Dissipation increase ONLY GCD heals, but gives you a full aetherflow stack which can be exclusively used on...OGCD heals???? It just seems like the ability is fighting against itself.
Intervention does not go from 10% to 50%, it goes from 10% to 50% more of the buff used, so Rampart adds 10% (20% total) and Sentinel adds 15% (25% total) or both for 35%
9:10 Intervention is another skill that's worded in a weird way. "Additional Effect: Increases damage reduction by another 50% of the effect of Rampart or Sentinel if either are active" Which, to my understanding (and information that The Balance also corroborates) this means that you get 50% of the mitigation of Rampart (so an extra 10%) or 50% the mitigation of Sentinel (an additional 15%). If you have both Rampart and Sentinel active you get a total of 35% mitigation max (the 10% from Intervention, 10% from Rampart, and 15% from Sentinel.)
@@bophadesknutz7798 This would make sense because if you could simply stack mitigations up to 100% you'd be invulnerable, but that is never the case. Instead, 30% + 20% mitigation only gives you around 42% mitigation, if i remember correctly.
I dont think that is true, if you see the clemency section of the this video, he disregards clemency as something you should never use, something about being like an insult to healers or some bs like that, i can see why he thinks paladin is a lesser tank. But reality is clemency IS a skill paladin has, and it is a pretty ridiculous super easy to use quick heal you can totally include into your damage mitigation skillset.
@@SpiderHorse9 It would have to be on a healer to healer basis. I couldn't fathom a WHM mad that they can hold their resources for the bosses unless they need to get that blood lily up
@@SpiderHorse9 Clemency is useful in prog and occasionally for safety. It really shines in ultimate. I dunno if you even run savage though considering your comment, it's not really part of your 'mitigation skillset' since it doesn't mitigate damage, it only helps your healers conserve mana and saves your raid from some unnecessary wipes when they are strained. In an ideal situation and in easier content clemency is never required. Sometimes it can be helpful however to pull aggro from all mobs in a dungeon when you first stop at the end of your run (single cast), or if your party is struggling and you've got incompetent healer syndrome in your party (either singular or plural) then you can use it to save the raid if necessary.
Paladin isn't a terrible main tank but its utility in Intervention and the fact Spirits Within exists means it is far more powerful and more optimal as an offtank. You can still play paladin as main tank without too much of a problem, my group has a main tank paladin and he has had no problems in any of the three ultimates mitigating damage.
I just realized how much PLD potential has with optimization by watching this and comparing it to my knowledge of the job. There’s so much more to talk about compared to other jobs with regards to optimization. Arguably the most easy to learn, and the most difficult to be the best at
This is awesome. Super helpful. I love Paladin because the number of times I've come in clutch with a cover on a sprout or becoming a healer when a fight goes south is actually higher than you'd think. I've found people often dont notice that you just covered them to save their life but ill definitely still be proud of myself for it. Also, passage of arms looks fucking sick. Can't wait to see what the next expansion brings, hope we get more of the signature supportive abilities that come in handy in a pinch, those are why I play Paladin. When the team thinks we should give up and restart I pull out the clemencys and tell them to keep up the DPS because god damn it we still got this!
A quick note on the passage of arms. The blocking part of it falls off immediately, the party mitigation lasts longer. About 5 seconds after the channel stops. So it's absolutely worth weaving into your rotation whenever big damage is about to hit the party... cause most of the time the mitigation will absolutely last long enough.
On the note about your editor's note on making mistakes and/or fixing them: When are you getting a Patreon so we can laugh at your mistakes whilst financially support you making said mistakes?
I might add that Paladin has the most complicated rotation out of all the tanks because the cooldown timers on so many of PLD's abilities are just... weird.
Tell me about it! Then you add the fact that you need Skill Speed only to fit in the basic 2 melee combos under FoF + another to keep goring blade rolling and even then its a tight window and you can see the design for this class needs some tweaks. I hope we get those tweaks in Endwalker because perfecting Paladin doesn't feel good, feels like you are fighting the cooldown system.
in terms of off-tanking, pld does seem to have the most team-support abilities, between cover, intervention, divine veil, and passage of arms. (clemency too but thats half points) gunbreaker comes in second with aurora, and heart of light, stone, and corundum. dark knight is in third with TBN, dark missionary, and oblation. warrior is fourth with nascent flash and shake it off. of course, all tanks have reprisal to reduce enemy damage, interject to prevent certain casts, and stuns to prevent minor enemies from attacking or moving.
I was in the ARR beta, way back when. I started as a Pally, back when it was impossible to get, none the less hold, aggro. Every BLM hated us because they could cast only once every ten seconds, or they pulled aggro. Flash was interwoven with....everything. Every other action had to be a flash, or you lost aggro. Let a single party member hit anything OTHER than your target, and they pulled aggro. Sure, they improved our aggro management, but Flash was always there. I stepped away from the game shortly before Shadowbringers came out, and am only now returning. I have no freakin' idea how to play my job. They re-worked things so substantially (and Flash is gone, dammit) that I could not even reload my hotbars because everything was different. Yours is the BEST PALADIN GUIDE available right now, and I've looked at tons of them, including those with Google sheets and microsecond timing graphics with enough time dilation in them that you'd swear you're looking at EVE Online during a mega-war. The crap makes zero sense. But yours, my good man, explains exactly what's going on and does so in a way that an average WOW-exile can understand it. You rock my small, little world.
So nobody's going to read this, but I wanted to add one small optimization with the damage rotation. Once you're past the opener and you're back into your melee phase, it's better to use two Atonements after Royal Authority and then pop Fight or Flight right before Goring Blade, then use your third Atonement afterward, and then do the same for the next Royal Authority/Goring Blade set before FoF wears off (splitting up the third Atonement until after Goring Blade again). What this does is enable you to get four Atonements in FoF instead of just getting a Riot Blade under it. This only adds 62.5 potency per minute, but it's literally a free damage increase. It gets a bit wonky if you lose uptime, though, but Paladin's just kind of that way generally.
I'm a final fantasy XI vet and career PLD tank coming over to 14. I mostly played in the 75cap era, but I resubscribe every couple years to check in with Vana'diel try out the new endgame stuff, regear, etc. I finally decided that I needed to move on and join 14 after trying it out and realizing it has much of the same magic and feel of XI, and I want to get the new tanking system down, so I really appreciate videos like this. Maybe it would be smarter to start a new game with an "easier" role like dps or something (I know dps still requires skill, but you don't kill the whole party if you mess up usually), but there are few gaming experiences quite as thrilling as being the wall standing between the mobs and other real life players and knowing that if you play right and your backup has your back, you can't die no matter how hard the godmonsterthing tries. Subbed and upvoted. If you see this message, I did have a couple questions though. With the AOE spinny moves, are they typically only used on trash, or do some higher priority targets have adds that require them being worked into your rotation? If so, is there an optimal time to drop them in or it is just situationally "Oh crap, adds, spinny spinny time." Secondly, I get the CONCEPT of a rotation, having played some WoW and GW2 and stuff, it's just the most optimized way to bring all your abilities to use - but is there no room for variance? Do situations come up in the game where you have to break the rotation? Not anywhere near endgame yet, but I'm hoping there are surprises in battle to look forward to, and not just a rinse and repeat.
I'm aware this is more than a little late and you might have your answers by now, but: Yes, many bosses will have adds that, if you are the only tank or off tank, will usually be expected to pull aggro on. If there is only one or two of them, it's best to simply continue your single target attacking on the new enemies. But if a large group do appear, absolutely start spinning! And for your second point: Yes, sometimes your rotation will be broken. Usually due to needing to dodge large attacks, or sometimes the boss will even become untargetable. This is why it's important to know the "why" of your rotation, instead of simply the order to press buttons. So that when things go awry, you can adjust as necessary. This is definitely more important as DPS where dealing damage is the most important thing other than surviving, but it's still good to know for Tanking. I hope you've been enjoying FF14!
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2 Things people generally don't know about Veil, it is generally stronger than shake if applied to a non tank. why? because Veil is based on the Paladin's HP while Shake is based on the HP of the person receiving the Shake, so on a non tank veil is a stronger shield (assuming everyone is roughly the same ilvl). another thing SCH's fairy can proc veil with its' passive heal embrace
Guide still holds up pretty well. Sucks that its a pain to update videos like these. but used this to get back into pally after a long break appreciate it chair
its commandable that u correct errors in guides.. even thogh they will bring u whay less views than a completly new video! respect and much apriciated as a sprout.
@@skeletonwar4445 they gave it an oath gauge cost and changed the way damage was taken while covering people. Really it's it's fact cover costs a whopping 50 oath gauge is what hurts me
13:15 You're better off pulling with provoke, so you can immediately AOE the mobs without waiting for the GCD cooldown. Also shield bash has some use if you get queued into low level dungeons. It lets you stun mobs one after another, reducing damage a decent amount. Can help for big pulls with rando healers or if you're leveling the class and aren't high iL yet. Definitely useless at 80 though. I didn't use it at all in E8S when doing it as PLD.
A little tip, during aoe you will always do more damage with a non requiescat holy circle than a FoF buffed prominence combo, as long as you keep your mp high enough for your requiescat you're good.
Old but good content to watch but in your opinion, is it insulting or good looking out if I as a PLD heal you while managing my own rotation? I do not let healers go down on my watch, ever.
For blocking mitigation, it's not always 20%, afaik it goes from 10% to 20% depending of your shield in 5.x. Also, you're not really talking about passive blocking without sheltron, but it's hard to find resources about rate calculation for 5.x on this, but it's meaningful for big packs of monsters in dungeon, for endgame dungeon PLD have statistically around 6% always-on mitigation (but not meaningful for bosses, not enough hits obviously). Also, cover was really good before they removed the mitigation effect on it. Good guide btw, thanks for the content and the keep going.
Paladin has to be my favourite Tank of the bunch. I feel like some of its party wide tools are a bit overhyped at times tho, but they're still useful. On a side note, Passage of Arms' 15% mitigation buff actually lasts an invisible 5s, not a server tick. Server ticks are involved tho when you don't interrupt it, as the 5s invisible timer is reset every server tick when the wings are out. Another correction is intervention doesn't go to 50% with either rampart of sentinel, it's just awful tooltip writing because the localisation team hates Paladin. The actual effect is 50% of either rampart or Sentinel, so 10% and 15% respectively, added on top of the 10%; so either 20% or 25%, or 35% with both on, as both effects can be stacked together on intervention, so it's an either or situation.
Great video man! I'm going to be that FF nerd though lol. Shield Bash and Cover are signature abilities paladin has in most every FF game they are in. That's probably why we have them and will always have them. 😆 I love it.
Shield Bash is not very common since Paladins traditionally two-hand. The only other game "Paladin" has Shield Bash in is FF11 - otherwise it exclusively appears on Dissidia!Firion (who is not a Paladin), the Raptor job in FFTA2, and the Knight (who is modeled on the FF5 Warrior) in Bravely Default.
once upon a time i ran temple of the fist as a black mage, and our healer and other dps died. that is the only time i saw clemency used, because our paladin essentially played both tank and healer while I did the dps lol
Friend introduced me to this channel when we were talking how being a mentor is basically the Obama giving himself the medal meme. Video about hierarchy something. It's like i'm watching a very irritated baby of casually explained and sam O'Nella, most of that irritation probably because of recording footage at buttfuck 4:30AM 4:25 fucking love it. Looking forward to the karaoke.
The only time I can remember really using shield bash is in Haukke Manor. If you don't have another melee class for stuns or they just don't know what they're doing, then it can be useful to deal with 2 Succubi using their AoE fear thing. But other than that I'm not sure.
'Video man explains cover' 'Me remembering a video I saw of a Paladin in infinite tornado hell because he covered someone in "The Limitless Blue" who obliviously stood in the tornado, thus launching him higher and higher into the air' Yeah Cover has a few weaknesses.
Even if you over pull as a pld shield bash stun can seriously increase your survivability for at least a short while. Its also longer then low blow or holy. Can be useful with under geared player to haste most 4 dungeon trash pulls. not recommend as the first thing you go to especially if you have a whm since they should be holying anyways but if it looks bad it can make the difference between a wipe and a rough clear.
Clemency is nice. Against the Spectral Berserker in Hero's Gauntlet our healer went down very quick. I think the boss was at 80%. And I was able to pop Clemency enough to get us through the fight. 👍 If I had brought Dark Knight instead we would have wiped, most likely.
Had the same in my first run of Malikah's Well with a healer who level skipped and had no clue what they were doing. They didn't even know how to dodge AOEs... if I wasn't PLD, we wouldn't have cleared.
WAR does a lot of solos too. Some they're better at than PLD just because they don't lose any damage when healing. PLD still the best overall for sure.
You made a mistake with Intervention. Intervention only adds half of the cooldown you currently have on you and passes it onto your party member. So if you have Rampart on, Intervention will be 20% and then 35% for Rampart and Sheltron.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks (as a main tank) every tank feels exactly the same with very minor differences. I wish SE would do something about that
I'm hoping that with EW we add in differences between the tanks. Make GNB and WAR very fast DPSy tanks and make Pally/Drk the healy (or healy by hurting oneself) tanks, just to give a different flavor. Not gonna lie, started playing in 5.2 and watching old vids of the TP system and the old tanking ways, makes me regret not getting into this game sooner. But hopefully SE makes it so.
@@mattmcguirk4511 your comment gave me an idea. i would like to see a two-by-two identity for tanks: Damage mitigation identity: Shield tanks: DRK and GNB Heal tanks: WAR and PAL DPS identity for tanks: High burst DPS: WAR and GNB DoT gradual DPS: PAL and DRK So we can have 4 unique tanks roles: High DPS and shield tank: GNB DoT DPS and shield tank: DRK High DPS and Heal tank: WAR DoT DPS and heal tank: PAL
@@junky2fk honestly think that would be a great idea. Same with healers. I think SE has a really concrete hold on how to make the DPS's more unique. Hell, getting all my melees to 80 in the last few months and each one required a whole different mindset. Which was awesome. But then just lvling up SCH, AST and WHM (in that order) the only one with a gimmick is AST. WHM is literally "yeah, before lvl 50 you'll hate your life cuz everything has hard cast time." I just think your breakdown is genius, and I wanna see them throw Sage in with some legit thought behind it. I'm still of the mindset they should have WHM and AST as regen heals (since who Nocturnals anyway), and SGE and SCH shield heals. And screw it, while we're at it, make it so that people actually have to use potions in dungeons, and use bloodbath to heal while attacking. Cuz if I heal one more dungeon where the DPS just expects heals rather than does something about it, I'm gonna start screaming at my PC again. Ya got bloodbath and Second Wind for a reason, USE EM. Sorry for that rant there, but it's nice to open up to with some intellect behind it hah.
they used to be a bit more different but they were also more annoying to play since you had to juggle multiple stances and most people were just terrible at it
Wait but literally yesterday I covered a tank buster for another paladin while they were stunned and couldn't use Hallowed Ground themselves, and I used Hallowed Ground on myself and neither of us took damage
Cover makes it so any and all damage taken is redirected to the paladin that cast it. Meaning if you used Hollowed Ground the damage he was supposed to receive was redirected to you and invuled by you Hollow
@@heavenzrevenge cover ignores hollow. Test it out with a buddy, you'll take cover damage anyways. OP here probably just had enough shields & mitigation that their HP wasn't affected, only the shield.
PLD or DRK... Can't decide :( back from year break and I use to main DRK.. Can't decide if I'm lazy and want to go DRK since it's 80 or finish my pally that's 73 lol
Bruh you still got Intervention wrong. It doesn't go to 50% DR if you have Rampart or Sentinel active; it gains 50% of the DR of either of those effects. So, for example, if you have Rampart active and pop Intervention on someone, their total DR is 20%. If you have Sentinel active their DR becomes 25% total. Though tbh for a 6 second DR buff, it really should just jump to 50% DR if you have Rampart or Sentinel already active, because then it might be about as good as TBN and thus actually worth using.
I don't know if they changed it or what, but I think your description of Shelltron is off. You said it blocks ALL attacks for 6 seconds. AFAIK it blocks the NEXT attack for 6 seconds and the buff is removed after 1 block. Granted there are exceptions like multi-hit tank busters. I don't know if you mentioned the buff disappearing after 1 block and I just missed it, but it's something I thought I'd mention.
Repost to remind people that while Vanilla may be _a_ god for your Paladin to follow, she is not Kagami Sumika and thus not _the_ god. This has been a Public Awareness message from the 'Drill Milky Punch from a Psychic Zombie Robot That Exists In All Possible Realities That She Can Exist In' programme.
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Succeeding in a boss fight when the rest of the team is on the floor in a dungeon almost solely because of clemency is a sheer amount of serotonin I can't begin to describe
Absolutely humiliating my party at high level dungeons after they’ve died by asking "want me to wipe, or should I just finish it?".
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I had a melee DPS be the tank after both tanks and the other healer Perma died that was fun to heal
@@a.e.richardson218 I love stuff like that
I already shared some points at the end of the video, but I'm probably not nuking this again unless something else is really out of whack. The only thing that I did find funny is that I had 2 friends who both play paladin watch my original video and we all had the wrong idea about certain abilities. Otherwise this video is almost identical to what it was before. It's still my responsibility to make things as accurate as possible and on that front, I failed. So if you are curious, or watched the previous version, here are the patch notes.
Version 1.1 Hotfix:
4:26 - reworded buffs to not imply you always double weave every single rotation
7:03 - reworded gauge generation
7:26 - Fixed How Divine Veil Works
8:17 - Fixed Passage of Arms
12:16 - shield bash is not completely useless
17:09 - Rewording explanation for ranged first
19:23 - Fixing Hallowed Ground Plus Cover
22:18 - fixing timings for buffs
Version 1.2 Not in video:
6:45 - Sheltron and blocking will behave differently as you level.
9:07 - I use the phase "go to 50%" I should have said "goes up by 50%" A simple mistake but with vastly different meanings.
You do seem to actually like, care about this stuff, it's neat
Thank you! I was wondering what happened.
Man, so many healing buffs in this game don't work on OGCDs. It really makes me question why they bother to do this or what the mentality behind it is. Like....why does Scholar's Dissipation increase ONLY GCD heals, but gives you a full aetherflow stack which can be exclusively used on...OGCD heals???? It just seems like the ability is fighting against itself.
Intervention does not go from 10% to 50%, it goes from 10% to 50% more of the buff used, so Rampart adds 10% (20% total) and Sentinel adds 15% (25% total) or both for 35%
Holy shit youtube patch notes. The future is now.
Absolutely humiliating my party at high level dungeons after they’ve died by asking if they want me to wipe, or if I should just finish it.
9:10 Intervention is another skill that's worded in a weird way.
"Additional Effect: Increases damage reduction by another 50% of the effect of Rampart or Sentinel if either are active"
Which, to my understanding (and information that The Balance also corroborates) this means that you get 50% of the mitigation of Rampart (so an extra 10%) or 50% the mitigation of Sentinel (an additional 15%). If you have both Rampart and Sentinel active you get a total of 35% mitigation max (the 10% from Intervention, 10% from Rampart, and 15% from Sentinel.)
I thought it worked this way too
looks like some testing is in order
Also not exactly 35% because of the way stacking Mit works
@@bophadesknutz7798 This would make sense because if you could simply stack mitigations up to 100% you'd be invulnerable, but that is never the case. Instead, 30% + 20% mitigation only gives you around 42% mitigation, if i remember correctly.
I just toss it on the MT when my gauge gets to 100 and I know I won't need sheltron any time soon.
"It's how you use your mitigation to satisfy the content that matters" You sir, are a poet.
How the hell is the guy with the shield less of a tank, and the guys with big two hand weapons less of a damage dealer then the other?
I dont think that is true, if you see the clemency section of the this video, he disregards clemency as something you should never use, something about being like an insult to healers or some bs like that, i can see why he thinks paladin is a lesser tank. But reality is clemency IS a skill paladin has, and it is a pretty ridiculous super easy to use quick heal you can totally include into your damage mitigation skillset.
@@SpiderHorse9 It would have to be on a healer to healer basis. I couldn't fathom a WHM mad that they can hold their resources for the bosses unless they need to get that blood lily up
Cuz of the kamehameha
@@SpiderHorse9 Clemency is useful in prog and occasionally for safety. It really shines in ultimate. I dunno if you even run savage though considering your comment, it's not really part of your 'mitigation skillset' since it doesn't mitigate damage, it only helps your healers conserve mana and saves your raid from some unnecessary wipes when they are strained. In an ideal situation and in easier content clemency is never required. Sometimes it can be helpful however to pull aggro from all mobs in a dungeon when you first stop at the end of your run (single cast), or if your party is struggling and you've got incompetent healer syndrome in your party (either singular or plural) then you can use it to save the raid if necessary.
Paladin isn't a terrible main tank but its utility in Intervention and the fact Spirits Within exists means it is far more powerful and more optimal as an offtank. You can still play paladin as main tank without too much of a problem, my group has a main tank paladin and he has had no problems in any of the three ultimates mitigating damage.
I just realized how much PLD potential has with optimization by watching this and comparing it to my knowledge of the job. There’s so much more to talk about compared to other jobs with regards to optimization. Arguably the most easy to learn, and the most difficult to be the best at
This is awesome. Super helpful. I love Paladin because the number of times I've come in clutch with a cover on a sprout or becoming a healer when a fight goes south is actually higher than you'd think. I've found people often dont notice that you just covered them to save their life but ill definitely still be proud of myself for it. Also, passage of arms looks fucking sick. Can't wait to see what the next expansion brings, hope we get more of the signature supportive abilities that come in handy in a pinch, those are why I play Paladin. When the team thinks we should give up and restart I pull out the clemencys and tell them to keep up the DPS because god damn it we still got this!
Chair: "Shield bash will never be used at level 80"
FF14: *Laughs in Leviathan Unreal*
A quick note on the passage of arms. The blocking part of it falls off immediately, the party mitigation lasts longer. About 5 seconds after the channel stops. So it's absolutely worth weaving into your rotation whenever big damage is about to hit the party... cause most of the time the mitigation will absolutely last long enough.
On the note about your editor's note on making mistakes and/or fixing them: When are you getting a Patreon so we can laugh at your mistakes whilst financially support you making said mistakes?
The mansplaining, step-on-me daddy energy of this video is incredible. 10/10 would recommend.
I might add that Paladin has the most complicated rotation out of all the tanks because the cooldown timers on so many of PLD's abilities are just... weird.
Tell me about it!
Then you add the fact that you need Skill Speed only to fit in the basic 2 melee combos under FoF + another to keep goring blade rolling and even then its a tight window and you can see the design for this class needs some tweaks. I hope we get those tweaks in Endwalker because perfecting Paladin doesn't feel good, feels like you are fighting the cooldown system.
in terms of off-tanking, pld does seem to have the most team-support abilities, between cover, intervention, divine veil, and passage of arms. (clemency too but thats half points)
gunbreaker comes in second with aurora, and heart of light, stone, and corundum.
dark knight is in third with TBN, dark missionary, and oblation.
warrior is fourth with nascent flash and shake it off.
of course, all tanks have reprisal to reduce enemy damage, interject to prevent certain casts, and stuns to prevent minor enemies from attacking or moving.
I was in the ARR beta, way back when. I started as a Pally, back when it was impossible to get, none the less hold, aggro. Every BLM hated us because they could cast only once every ten seconds, or they pulled aggro. Flash was interwoven with....everything. Every other action had to be a flash, or you lost aggro. Let a single party member hit anything OTHER than your target, and they pulled aggro.
Sure, they improved our aggro management, but Flash was always there. I stepped away from the game shortly before Shadowbringers came out, and am only now returning. I have no freakin' idea how to play my job. They re-worked things so substantially (and Flash is gone, dammit) that I could not even reload my hotbars because everything was different.
Yours is the BEST PALADIN GUIDE available right now, and I've looked at tons of them, including those with Google sheets and microsecond timing graphics with enough time dilation in them that you'd swear you're looking at EVE Online during a mega-war. The crap makes zero sense. But yours, my good man, explains exactly what's going on and does so in a way that an average WOW-exile can understand it.
You rock my small, little world.
Finaly a tank guide that tells you what skills to use. Great stuff!
So nobody's going to read this, but I wanted to add one small optimization with the damage rotation. Once you're past the opener and you're back into your melee phase, it's better to use two Atonements after Royal Authority and then pop Fight or Flight right before Goring Blade, then use your third Atonement afterward, and then do the same for the next Royal Authority/Goring Blade set before FoF wears off (splitting up the third Atonement until after Goring Blade again). What this does is enable you to get four Atonements in FoF instead of just getting a Riot Blade under it. This only adds 62.5 potency per minute, but it's literally a free damage increase. It gets a bit wonky if you lose uptime, though, but Paladin's just kind of that way generally.
I read your comment and will practice this. Thanks
correct, the unbuffed window should only have two atonements, and every fight or flight after opener should have 4 atonements
Oddly enough, lore-wise, Dark knights are more so the typical paladins and paladins are more like soldiers
Paladins are the royal guard. Dark Knights are just paladins during their teenage emo phase.
I'm a final fantasy XI vet and career PLD tank coming over to 14. I mostly played in the 75cap era, but I resubscribe every couple years to check in with Vana'diel try out the new endgame stuff, regear, etc. I finally decided that I needed to move on and join 14 after trying it out and realizing it has much of the same magic and feel of XI, and I want to get the new tanking system down, so I really appreciate videos like this. Maybe it would be smarter to start a new game with an "easier" role like dps or something (I know dps still requires skill, but you don't kill the whole party if you mess up usually), but there are few gaming experiences quite as thrilling as being the wall standing between the mobs and other real life players and knowing that if you play right and your backup has your back, you can't die no matter how hard the godmonsterthing tries. Subbed and upvoted.
If you see this message, I did have a couple questions though.
With the AOE spinny moves, are they typically only used on trash, or do some higher priority targets have adds that require them being worked into your rotation? If so, is there an optimal time to drop them in or it is just situationally "Oh crap, adds, spinny spinny time."
Secondly, I get the CONCEPT of a rotation, having played some WoW and GW2 and stuff, it's just the most optimized way to bring all your abilities to use - but is there no room for variance? Do situations come up in the game where you have to break the rotation? Not anywhere near endgame yet, but I'm hoping there are surprises in battle to look forward to, and not just a rinse and repeat.
I'm aware this is more than a little late and you might have your answers by now, but: Yes, many bosses will have adds that, if you are the only tank or off tank, will usually be expected to pull aggro on. If there is only one or two of them, it's best to simply continue your single target attacking on the new enemies. But if a large group do appear, absolutely start spinning!
And for your second point: Yes, sometimes your rotation will be broken. Usually due to needing to dodge large attacks, or sometimes the boss will even become untargetable. This is why it's important to know the "why" of your rotation, instead of simply the order to press buttons. So that when things go awry, you can adjust as necessary. This is definitely more important as DPS where dealing damage is the most important thing other than surviving, but it's still good to know for Tanking. I hope you've been enjoying FF14!
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2 Things people generally don't know about Veil, it is generally stronger than shake if applied to a non tank. why? because Veil is based on the Paladin's HP while Shake is based on the HP of the person receiving the Shake, so on a non tank veil is a stronger shield (assuming everyone is roughly the same ilvl).
another thing SCH's fairy can proc veil with its' passive heal embrace
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Guide still holds up pretty well. Sucks that its a pain to update videos like these. but used this to get back into pally after a long break
appreciate it chair
its commandable that u correct errors in guides.. even thogh they will bring u whay less views than a completly new video! respect and much apriciated as a sprout.
Being a Balmung degenerate myself I got a chuckle out of the Quicksand joke
Is that 14's Moon Guard Goldshire Inn?
@@darmus3524 Yeah lol
I have made it to level 70 only really know what half of my shit does, this really helped
Your content reminds me of Sseth. Good shit
I really wish cover had a shorter cooldown cause "take damage meant for your teammate" is exactly the kind of thing I play tank to do.
I just want pre ShB cover back dammit. they went and massacred my boy with ShB
@@TheTankbus what did they do?
@@skeletonwar4445 they gave it an oath gauge cost and changed the way damage was taken while covering people. Really it's it's fact cover costs a whopping 50 oath gauge is what hurts me
i'm just getting back after a 2 and a half yr brake and im a day 1 and beta player so this is really helping me recap and learn all the damn changes
What is neat about Divine Veil with SCH, embrace is considered a spell so fairy can trigger it XD
Thank you so much for these guides! They're extremely helpful!
What happened? No one seems to know, everyone's memory is foggy
Commenting for reasons , feeding a beast sounded kinda neat.
Good stuff
Now I can like one video twice, nice.
13:15 You're better off pulling with provoke, so you can immediately AOE the mobs without waiting for the GCD cooldown.
Also shield bash has some use if you get queued into low level dungeons. It lets you stun mobs one after another, reducing damage a decent amount. Can help for big pulls with rando healers or if you're leveling the class and aren't high iL yet. Definitely useless at 80 though. I didn't use it at all in E8S when doing it as PLD.
A little tip, during aoe you will always do more damage with a non requiescat holy circle than a FoF buffed prominence combo, as long as you keep your mp high enough for your requiescat you're good.
While true isn’t it better to save save all MP to align it with the spell buff?
@@josephsheehan6079 Ofcourse but not if its on cooldown after just using it.
Good guy Chair, making great content and correcting mistakes
I played WHM in shisui and the paladin healed my teammates through every mechanic. I think I only healed them like 3 times.
Old but good content to watch but in your opinion, is it insulting or good looking out if I as a PLD heal you while managing my own rotation? I do not let healers go down on my watch, ever.
For blocking mitigation, it's not always 20%, afaik it goes from 10% to 20% depending of your shield in 5.x. Also, you're not really talking about passive blocking without sheltron, but it's hard to find resources about rate calculation for 5.x on this, but it's meaningful for big packs of monsters in dungeon, for endgame dungeon PLD have statistically around 6% always-on mitigation (but not meaningful for bosses, not enough hits obviously). Also, cover was really good before they removed the mitigation effect on it. Good guide btw, thanks for the content and the keep going.
God dammit bahamut did it again
leveling brute to unlock saint
Buddha: someone called me?
Well ether I like watching your videos
nice rework, solid Cover guide, 10/10
Paladin has to be my favourite Tank of the bunch. I feel like some of its party wide tools are a bit overhyped at times tho, but they're still useful.
On a side note, Passage of Arms' 15% mitigation buff actually lasts an invisible 5s, not a server tick. Server ticks are involved tho when you don't interrupt it, as the 5s invisible timer is reset every server tick when the wings are out.
Another correction is intervention doesn't go to 50% with either rampart of sentinel, it's just awful tooltip writing because the localisation team hates Paladin. The actual effect is 50% of either rampart or Sentinel, so 10% and 15% respectively, added on top of the 10%; so either 20% or 25%, or 35% with both on, as both effects can be stacked together on intervention, so it's an either or situation.
Great video man! I'm going to be that FF nerd though lol. Shield Bash and Cover are signature abilities paladin has in most every FF game they are in. That's probably why we have them and will always have them. 😆 I love it.
Shield Bash is not very common since Paladins traditionally two-hand. The only other game "Paladin" has Shield Bash in is FF11 - otherwise it exclusively appears on Dissidia!Firion (who is not a Paladin), the Raptor job in FFTA2, and the Knight (who is modeled on the FF5 Warrior) in Bravely Default.
Playing a Paladin now as my first class, so thought I better watch how to actually play it.
Same here. I was working towards unlocking dark knight and gunbreaker, but by the time I got them paladin had really grown on me.
sadge my shield bash info for palace didnt make it into the remake but kudos for taking time to improve the guide etc!
Great guide, thanks!
once upon a time i ran temple of the fist as a black mage, and our healer and other dps died. that is the only time i saw clemency used, because our paladin essentially played both tank and healer while I did the dps lol
Friend introduced me to this channel when we were talking how being a mentor is basically the Obama giving himself the medal meme. Video about hierarchy something.
It's like i'm watching a very irritated baby of casually explained and sam O'Nella, most of that irritation probably because of recording footage at buttfuck 4:30AM 4:25
fucking love it.
Looking forward to the karaoke.
The only time I can remember really using shield bash is in Haukke Manor. If you don't have another melee class for stuns or they just don't know what they're doing, then it can be useful to deal with 2 Succubi using their AoE fear thing. But other than that I'm not sure.
Commenting because the sarcastic catgirl in the video told me to
Awesome content btw
If you need help with reviewing a monk guide I can help. Even though only 10 ppl play them
'Video man explains cover'
'Me remembering a video I saw of a Paladin in infinite tornado hell because he covered someone in "The Limitless Blue" who obliviously stood in the tornado, thus launching him higher and higher into the air'
Yeah Cover has a few weaknesses.
Guessing that server balmung and the things they do with their swords
Bro i can hear the frustration in this version
Even if you over pull as a pld shield bash stun can seriously increase your survivability for at least a short while. Its also longer then low blow or holy. Can be useful with under geared player to haste most 4 dungeon trash pulls. not recommend as the first thing you go to especially if you have a whm since they should be holying anyways but if it looks bad it can make the difference between a wipe and a rough clear.
Clemency is nice. Against the Spectral Berserker in Hero's Gauntlet our healer went down very quick. I think the boss was at 80%. And I was able to pop Clemency enough to get us through the fight. 👍 If I had brought Dark Knight instead we would have wiped, most likely.
Had the same in my first run of Malikah's Well with a healer who level skipped and had no clue what they were doing. They didn't even know how to dodge AOEs... if I wasn't PLD, we wouldn't have cleared.
PLD was my first experience with tanking but I'm a damned dirty ape warrior at heart lol. After this though, I might play around with it again 😬
There is only one tank that solos and that's PLD. Best invuln in the game, always meta, best tank aesthetic.
WAR does a lot of solos too. Some they're better at than PLD just because they don't lose any damage when healing. PLD still the best overall for sure.
John update pog :^)
Great video
I used the like button, what was the other request?
Needs an update video on Paladin.
is he talking about balmung in the beginning lmao?
> only tank class that uses a shield
> squishys tank class
what
Hallowed Ground clutched 2 bosses while the group all wiped except me, best feeling in the world!
I remember killing the first boss in the twining as a pld when our healer died and all i did was heal and mp regain, fun time
You made a mistake with Intervention. Intervention only adds half of the cooldown you currently have on you and passes it onto your party member. So if you have Rampart on, Intervention will be 20% and then 35% for Rampart and Sheltron.
I use provoke to get mobs attention from afar and to aggro that one mob that I cannot see and is far away
My goal is to clear a raid with only Paladins. Paladin Tanks, Paladin DPS and Paladin Heals.
Would 100% be possible people cleared ucob with 8 tanks (not all paladins I'm pretty sure but you can definitely do that aswell)
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks (as a main tank) every tank feels exactly the same with very minor differences. I wish SE would do something about that
I'm hoping that with EW we add in differences between the tanks. Make GNB and WAR very fast DPSy tanks and make Pally/Drk the healy (or healy by hurting oneself) tanks, just to give a different flavor. Not gonna lie, started playing in 5.2 and watching old vids of the TP system and the old tanking ways, makes me regret not getting into this game sooner. But hopefully SE makes it so.
@@mattmcguirk4511 your comment gave me an idea. i would like to see a two-by-two identity for tanks:
Damage mitigation identity:
Shield tanks: DRK and GNB
Heal tanks: WAR and PAL
DPS identity for tanks:
High burst DPS: WAR and GNB
DoT gradual DPS: PAL and DRK
So we can have 4 unique tanks roles:
High DPS and shield tank: GNB
DoT DPS and shield tank: DRK
High DPS and Heal tank: WAR
DoT DPS and heal tank: PAL
@@junky2fk honestly think that would be a great idea. Same with healers. I think SE has a really concrete hold on how to make the DPS's more unique. Hell, getting all my melees to 80 in the last few months and each one required a whole different mindset. Which was awesome. But then just lvling up SCH, AST and WHM (in that order) the only one with a gimmick is AST. WHM is literally "yeah, before lvl 50 you'll hate your life cuz everything has hard cast time."
I just think your breakdown is genius, and I wanna see them throw Sage in with some legit thought behind it. I'm still of the mindset they should have WHM and AST as regen heals (since who Nocturnals anyway), and SGE and SCH shield heals. And screw it, while we're at it, make it so that people actually have to use potions in dungeons, and use bloodbath to heal while attacking. Cuz if I heal one more dungeon where the DPS just expects heals rather than does something about it, I'm gonna start screaming at my PC again. Ya got bloodbath and Second Wind for a reason, USE EM.
Sorry for that rant there, but it's nice to open up to with some intellect behind it hah.
they used to be a bit more different but they were also more annoying to play since you had to juggle multiple stances and most people were just terrible at it
@@junky2fk I like how PLD isn't a shield tank here either
So do you ever cast spells outside of Requiescat?
10:27 I lost it. Bravo hahaha
does circle of scorn not get affected by fight or flight?
Just a heads-up; this video isn't in your class guide playlist
Wait but literally yesterday I covered a tank buster for another paladin while they were stunned and couldn't use Hallowed Ground themselves, and I used Hallowed Ground on myself and neither of us took damage
Cover makes it so any and all damage taken is redirected to the paladin that cast it. Meaning if you used Hollowed Ground the damage he was supposed to receive was redirected to you and invuled by you Hollow
@@heavenzrevenge cover ignores hollow. Test it out with a buddy, you'll take cover damage anyways. OP here probably just had enough shields & mitigation that their HP wasn't affected, only the shield.
0:52 I've never seen the Quicksand so empty...
Paladin is the squishiest of all the tanks now?!
The chair said I am helping
bruh, good vid
PLD or DRK... Can't decide :( back from year break and I use to main DRK.. Can't decide if I'm lazy and want to go DRK since it's 80 or finish my pally that's 73 lol
here is some more engagement
Bruh you still got Intervention wrong. It doesn't go to 50% DR if you have Rampart or Sentinel active; it gains 50% of the DR of either of those effects. So, for example, if you have Rampart active and pop Intervention on someone, their total DR is 20%. If you have Sentinel active their DR becomes 25% total.
Though tbh for a 6 second DR buff, it really should just jump to 50% DR if you have Rampart or Sentinel already active, because then it might be about as good as TBN and thus actually worth using.
21:10 me yesterday when both healers died halfway thru against normal eden titan
Passage of Arms/Arms Up last 5 seconds after its cancelled, at least for your party
I don't know if they changed it or what, but I think your description of Shelltron is off. You said it blocks ALL attacks for 6 seconds. AFAIK it blocks the NEXT attack for 6 seconds and the buff is removed after 1 block. Granted there are exceptions like multi-hit tank busters. I don't know if you mentioned the buff disappearing after 1 block and I just missed it, but it's something I thought I'd mention.
They changed it to all attacks in Shadowbringers.
@@Ledeej083 Oh. Then that's my bad. Thanks for letting me know.
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Repost to remind people that while Vanilla may be _a_ god for your Paladin to follow, she is not Kagami Sumika and thus not _the_ god. This has been a Public Awareness message from the 'Drill Milky Punch from a Psychic Zombie Robot That Exists In All Possible Realities That She Can Exist In' programme.
I've been saying "requesting a cat" rather than Requiescat.
I too want to request a spellwielding cat for 12s.
Alright who got the 25 kill streak this time
1:58 EW be like "Hold that thought"
Disshapen Chair where is my Reworked Endwalker Paladin video?!!! GET BACK TO WORK BOY!
keeping shield bash and junking shield swipe is still my biggest gripe with paladin
where's my bitch slap squeenix
where is it
ok ok I’ll subscribe
picked up the class the hour end walker was revealed... lvl62 now but i love it's vibe
Mr "Reupload" Chair
Gibe SMN guide pls
Heavensward PLD is when it's a joke to be one. Let's just savor what yoshi-p has done to fix this job.
Meanwhile WAR became the joke since HW