War Thunder: British ground forces Tier V- review and analysis
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2019
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0:29 - Centurion Mk 10
3:27 - Vickers MBT
6:27 - Conqueror
10:10 - Conway
13:38 - Falcon
17:21 - Centurion Mk.5 AVRE
21:17 - CAS Recommendations
22:24 - Lineups
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BT5 running to the cap poin and spawn in an PE-8: "Everyone shall be punished and reflect on their life choices that lead them to this point."
22:24 Oxy: "here are the two sensible line-ups without unnecessary uptiers"
Gaijin: "No, no fun for you, everything is now 7.7"
And it's only gotten worse the the following 9 months...
Falcon says hi at br 8.0 :(
@@TheTryingDutchman And still works great ;-)
@@martron123 I'm not saying it doesn't but they ruined the 7.3 lineup in terms of spaa. They should remove the apds and put it back at 7.3, for 5k repair max. Atm its 11k to repair including apds ammo cost, that's just nuts.
@@TheTryingDutchman Yes mate your 100% right with that. I now have no SPAA in my 7.3 or 7.7 lineups at all. It really sucks but I'm not putting a Crusader AA in there.
“8.7 premium wall” Cant agree more
It might also be helpful to mention the extremely high repair costs of both the Vickers and the Conqueror.
And the cent mk10 and we'll all of the British tanks really
@ryan xtha ? what playing german tanks has to do with the repair cost of british tanks?
@@adolfknitler1289 repair cost, his comment make sense. I moved on from british because you need to kill 3 tank for each one of yours destroyed and that is if you win the match. If you lose then 4-5 tank per each one of yours you lose. The mbt of the main nation (us, ru, german) got 1/3-1/4 of the full upgrade repair cost.
@@brianr.6376 so just because people working at gaijin are retards who dont know how to balance the game and fix the economy i am supposed to play that one nation that i absolutely despise in game?
@@adolfknitler1289 yes, that's how the game currently works. I don't see anything wrong with my suggestion. Rather than just playing 1 tank then go back to the hangar and make it hard for your team, i would rather play cheap nation.
meanwhile everything has different BR's now.
Gaijin saw we had one good lineup, had to rectify it, now I get nothing but 8.3 or 8.7 games, and the repair cost mean i go broke in 2 games
I love the brits exclusively for their early stabilizer. What really irks me is their repair cost, granted i do not have the financial black hole that is the E-100.
Having ~10k repair per tank is brutal if i get a bad game.
I miss the golden days of HESH. Especially with the Conq. I feel like the Conway should have a better reload than the Conq however, due to the bigger turret. As it stands I see no reason to use it over the Conq.
Also the Falcon is great. It can kill leo's frontally, most top tiers from the side and is great at AA, just wish you didn;t have to empty it before reloading. Wish they'd added the Chieftain Sabre rather than the Marksman. Personally I have it in most lineups at it's BR and up.
Honestly the sabot inaccuracy on the Conqueror annoys me a lot. It's not accurate to how it was in real life and takes away one of the major roles the tank should be able to play in game.
to add insult to injury they raised its BR to 7.7 without changing anything other than the BR, making it less capable
I highly recommend HESH against Russians in the city.
There's nothing like the feeling when a IS sticks his nose out to bait you, into wasting some normie shell, only to discover that he's given you a kill shot.
lol but hesh just kills his driver
@@loserface3962 The first shot maybe, but with the quick reload, I have no problem getting the rest of crew without exposing myself.
It seems like these rank V lineups are the last truly good ones for Britain. As much as the Warrior can be a blast to play, it just gets out classed by all the other IFVs. The Marksman is basically a worse version of the Gepard and the Chieftains have been totally shafted by powercreep, shifting meta, br compression, inaccurate gun (why?) etc, (whoever thinks the Chieftain Mk 5 belongs at the same Br as the Leo A1A1 L44 is out of their mind). The Challenger Mk2 and 3 can be good in certain situations but they just dont really have any advantages over any of the top tier MBTs, with decent firepower but very unreliable armour (sekret dokuments) and poor mobility compared with everything they fight. Combine this with the fact that they're huge and they become easy prey for top tier MBTs *cough* 2A5 *cough* . The Challenger 2 suffers a similar fate, just with more reasonable armour and firepower making it a lot more effective in the right situations, but again, these tanks are situational while the majority of other top tier mbts are extremely versatile. The Stormer HVM is a cool concept but it just seems like they forgot to actually implement it properly and left it in some weird half finished state with rockets seemingly going through targets and not following the cursor accurately at all.
Great video as always!! I would like to put into this one thing - costs of repair V tier british tanks are the most expensive in the game, cent10 and conq are over 10k which is sometimes a trouble to driving them without premium or ace matches. I dont know why its such a big disproportion in that area.
Thank you so much for making these. They have helped me so much on grinding the British tree. I hope you will also do the German tree as well.
You have definitely earned yourself a sub, this series of review and analysis is of astounding quality, and as a Germany/British main, I would absolutely love for you to do this with the German tech tree. I look forward to it.
Heya Oxy. Nice vid, really enjoy this review/analysis series.
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Loving these videos, honestly a highlight of the day and one of my favourites to see in my sub box. Also, at the end of every tree please tell us your favourite line-up and vehicle of the tree. Would be a nice touch.
Thanks oxy I main British tanks and I'm on teir lV and about to go into tier V this has been very helpful keep it up man you have such good quality videos never give up!
The Vickers was my favourite tank when I spaded it. I greatly prefer it over the Cent Mk 10. I rather take the increase in firepower than to rely on the a bit of hull armor.
A great paper medium that relies on firepower.
Kim Janek good to hear because I’ve decided to research it first!
@@ridge9066 keep in mind that this tank need get used to it because the armor... but when spaded this thing became one of my favourite tiger hunter ;)
Kim Janek I do not like the vickers MBT as much, it is faster but only marginally, and it feels a lot less responsive
@@onelyone6976 it has a considerably faster reload with a whopping 5 seconds versus the Cent's 7 or 8
Could you do a recomendations video for standard tech tree vehicles which could be potent enough to buy a talisman on?
I'm planning on doing this after I've done all the tier analysis videos :)
@@oxy3185 ooh awesome can't wait :D
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Good video as allways, great work
I especially love the Conqueror and the Vickers MBT. You could have mentioned that the Conqueror is the ultimate IS killer - you can pen them even at long range while they can't even scratch your paint off. Also, the Vickers MBT truly is great. The rapid reload makes it possible to deal with a lot of enemies quickly and works even as a back-up for a bit higher BR's.
Great video, as always!
I've just got to say you are a true loyal and good youtuber, aha I must say you deserve a pay rise my friend.
Proper informative video series this.
You deserve much more subs
Your vids are heaven!
Amazing video dude
Excellent, considered video (as always).
Keep them vids coming bro love them
I love these videos Oxy!
Thx for all the tips and kip op the good woke cant wait for tier VI
Just a thought: seeing as the game is constantly changing, how about annual addendums? You could briefly talk about BR changes and how/if it affects the tank/lineups (e.g. Falcon is a lot more viable now because there's a 7.7 lineup, but the Cent 10 is part of that so it's armour is probably less effective?) And any new vehicles introduced as well maybe
Funny how this vid comes out just after Squire's skit
Gaijilla himself haha i loved that one
Great guide, do make a map guide when you have the time. I feel like 90% of the game's population knows what the vehicles do but don't know where to go with them so they just camp, making matches this frustrating game of "look around the corners frantically because there can be this one dude that decided to camp in this strange corner where people just pass by once in a blue moon".
I feel like all of these should have a sticker somewhere saying "Only for experienced". No HE filler on best penning round, only decent mobility, lackluster armor in some cases, generally unfriendly matchmaker (6.7 - spread out crew and APHE high pen, 7.7 - HEATFS and possible stabilizer on opposing side(STB)). Me myself wanted always to play one of my most favourite tanks - Centurion, from the beginning, but it's not as enjoyable when you do not possess the knowledge of crew locations, good map positions, game sense, etc.
This series is really helpful
The Cent MK10 has a glitch where it can be killed with machineguns shooting at its turret.
Andrew Happened to me once. Britain really suffers the most
Is that still an issue? That was supposed to be fixed in like, 1.83.
@@JoramTriesGaming lots of things were supposed to be fixed in, like, 1.83
@@JoramTriesGaming
People are still encountering the bug in 2019, it is literally missing armour models in certain areas.
www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/bbk98o/centurion_mk10_or_mg_bug/
“Glitch” in Gayjins world is a feature and won’t be fixed for another 3 years
Idk if you don't know this or just didn't think about it. But the BMP series of vehicle were specifically designed to float and drive on water and put into production because of it. It's main purpose is scouting and support, And the main part of scouting availability irl is that it can cross entire waters and rivers. The tracks on the BMP are made in a special way so it can travel better and faster while traveling in the ocean. While other vehicles have to wait for a field bridge or a boat to be set up, which can take an entire 24 hours, the BMP series of wehicle can go full speed into the water and just boat across with it's tracks. This feature is also a big advantage in-game. Enemies does not expect enemy tanks in the middle of the lakes and rivers.
Hey oxy just started playing, needed something for Dota 2 off season thanks for confirming my initial British bias!
I would definitely recommend the AVRE for arcade. its a good chillout tank. :)
I personally like to add the Mk 3 Meteor to my 7.0 / 7.3 lineups. I use it together with my vampire. It doesn't get any ordinance but it's 4 20mm hispanos get a ton of ammo and will pen most engine decks with AP rounds (I've even killed more than one Maus in it). Since the tier is filled with so many lightly armoured vehicles going for those first is also a great strategy. Since it's so manoeverable it also doesn't have problems pulling out of dives.
I found it to be the better air superiority fighter (in comparison to the vamp), so I mostly take it out if there are or if I expect enemy fighters.
Since it doesn't get any ordinance it's also cheaper to spawn SP-wise.
These videos are excellent
Please revisit the british tech tree ;)
one of the Cons with the Vickers MBT you forgot to mention is it's 7 degrees of depression. Coming of a long line of British tank that has 10 degrees or more of depression (barring the Firefly), it's annoying to suddenly jump the Vickers and suddenly have alot of ridges basically become unusable, which does limit some of it's flanking potential.
The flacon has a line up now lol
ngl the Vickers Mk 1 was a breath of fresh air after suffering through all the slow mediums with pretty bad post pen. I'm not the best player but damn do I love the Vickers.
You are very knowledgeable. How many games do you play in the tanks before you make the review?
I have to say that I use the Falcon in 7.7 to 10.0 reliably and used it to grind all of my T6 tanks
the thing about the AVRE is that its both incredibly effective at close range but (and this is subjective and purely my opinion) its FUN. compared to most other british tanks at the tier (7.0) its just really interesting and makes the grind to tier 5/6 more enjoyble. When it goes on sale i think its most certainly worth getting.
As of 2021 the Falcon is the only vehicle in this review worth actually playing due to BR and economy changes...
Greetings from germany :D . i hope u will do videos about the german ranks. Aaand i subscribed:)
I would also recommend if you have the GE for it to add, if not replace the AA with the Meteor MK3 to the 7.0 line up. It’s a beast of a plane for cleaning up the pesky p-47 that are still flown at this tier and most other props. It’s ground belts should not be over looked as they can take out some light tanks and anything open top. Specifically the RU is an easy target. Along with the armored cars and in an up tier the BMPs .
Man, could you do map analysis videos, i know every tank and nation have particularities, but like general directions and tips?
You forgot the most important pro of the Conqueror, that it's cool as fuck.
That's enough reason for me to want it.
The biggest problem with apds is not having a one-hit kill achievable regularly resulting almost always in death after penetrating a close-range target
I'm surprised you didn't put the Conway on its side at 13:05
19:52 is excellent
I find the conqueror to be great since the AP buff, but the repair cost is INSANE.
are you going to redo this video now that the cent, vickers and falcon are at 7.3?
if only they added the Trunnion block for the cent mk.10.
also HESH is good for killing IS-6s
Feel like you could have mentioned how the sabot and HESH are stock shells, not having to pay for them and all. Although i suppose they make up for this with their high repair cost :)
Im actually mad about that Panther not dying
I want mission editor for tanks cause I love that feature
funfact centurion mk 10 has broken turret armour due to lack of trunnion block.
mantlet + trunnion block should be ~304mm thick
Filthy Weaboo that’s interesting. I did some googling and found that it dose indeed have that block, but I would love for a source on that number as I can’t find one.
@@zabhoman3398 There's a bug thread on the forum about that, it has been put for review for the devs.. Under British ground forces tier IV- review and analysis (previous episode of the series) I put a link to it.
The source should be there.
Thanks I’ll look for that
Hello love your videos bro please can you do a American tanks too
It’s funny because he forgets to mention that with the bs sabot and matchmaking at the moment, most of the sabot shells can front pen Tiger 2s etc. So you will have no actual problem with this
What are the graphic settings you play on? (Postfx included) And how do you make the map bigger?
Cent 10 has IR sight now.
Falcon is 7.3 now Finally
You left gsqd? I remember you always being there.
I think instead of unreliable, the armor on the cent10 is more so inconsistent
avre and conqueror, how i manage to have fun at tier 5
After Tier 6/7 British, do USA next?
Could u do a series of this for Japan
Oh Connie Bae
*as long as you're not at an uptier* hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I just end up maining the FV 4005 at this tier
Hi Oxy I like this video about the British tank tier but can you please do American I'm still new towards post ww2 American tanks and I can say I suck please help me?
What did you think about the recent changes to the british BR?
fyi Falcon has been lowered to 7.3 and the Cent. Mk.10 and the Vicker have been raised to 7.3. Sooo... the british now have a great 7.3 lineup😉
Hesh is love hesh is life
Would you ever recommend the Canberra mk6 in a lineup
Can you do a review on the tiger 2 Sla.16 I love the tank and I want to see what you think of it
peewee turt it’s literally just a tiger 2....... with AA and extra track armor
strange, centurion turet regulary eats my 400mm pen heats without getting scratched :)
with vickers, i love it BUT it has less gun depression
I don't really agree on the Conqueror's gun consideration, the T-10 has the same penetration when using apds and it sits at 1 full tier above, so I wouldn't really call it just decent.
But besides that nice video!
Wish the churchill avre was in game
German tanks next
I love rank 5 Britain but what kills them for me is the repair cost and their shitty optic zoom.
Issue i have with the Vickers MBT is that not only is its mobility rather poor but it is rather pricey in terms of repair, considering that it just isn't that good due to its poor mobility, the firepower is great but post pen is bad. and at the start of a game, look at all the tanks that will speed ahead of you and on bumpy terrain its only slightly faster than a chieftain, seriously.
i feel sad for the falcon
No one:
Phly : No Armor IS Best Armor !
Today I shot at a Vickers MBT with a Sabot shell (280mm pen) from under 500m and hit its mantlet...
No pen. "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU"
You can pen the Cent MK 10's turret with machine guns.
Where?
@@danb4900 Through the mantlet. Been like this for over a year now, still no fix.
Examples: 1.www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/9jc2mm/i_killed_centurion_mk10_using_my_792_mg_what_the/
2. www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/bbk98o/centurion_mk10_or_mg_bug/
3. www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/azfgex/can_we_have_the_centurions_mk10_armour_be/
4. www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/bf9ntp/something_seems_to_be_seriously_wrong_with_the/
It's been bugged reported a couple times and we've been told by the mods that "the developers are aware of this"
Russia at this br can get 5 tanks out for the cost of one conqueror. GG gaijin.
You play arcade to learn how to shoot and then you go to RB or sim and never look back.
I could play only realistic if i could actually see enemy vehicles :p so arcade for me
The British have this very strange split-personality disorder when it comes to explosives.
AP shots for tanks... until later where some tanks exclusively use Hesh.
Armour piercing bullets are normally better in belts for hispano cannons...but, oh boy, RP-3s are lovely.
If the bug by name Ghost shell dont disappear it doesn't matter where you aim. And in this game best armor is no armor. 6 years of experience. Trust me.
22:16 i have that camo it is beautiful .
Can u do Russia once ur done with Britain?
review the t54e1?
Teaboos assemble!!!!