That player “Whoosh_Boom” at the start is so bizarre. That’s not the only thing I’ve seen him doing in matches. He never plays normally. Using a Yak-38 as a helicopter for instance. He’s always doing something really creative.
Both the Chieftain Mk.3 and Mk.5 were already bad at their BR's, constantly getting shredded by 90mm and 105mm HEAT fired by tanks that are 7.0 and 7.3. That's just now the pinnacle of an example of how much Gaijin apparently hates britain players. The more time passes, the happier I get that I pretty much quit this game last year as a former UK and US Ground-Main...
Yeah I stopped last year as well, I too played the brits, they have a grudge against them for sure. Switched to Russia and the game was a lot more enjoyable
@@pront8777 It was great like five+ years ago, the meta and the map pool got worse for it sadly since then... There is a good comparison tank to it imo., the T-62. It's already regarded as sub-par by today standarts, but it still excells the Chieftains in this BR bracket by the performance of it's ammo, it's mobility and the overall tank profile.
They are smoking a lot of shit. Irl tests against b tech leo2a4 also showed that it was immune against even 3bm22 from front but in wt even pos 3bm9 has no problem lolpenning 2a4 everywhere apart from turret cheeks.
In fact, the pen at a angle more than 60° is a little better. But generally it's not affecting the gameplay since the chieft mk3 is already really bad (less efficiency than a M60A1AOS in my opinion). when you are slow, you'd better get a lot of armor, apparently the mk3 doesn't get it.
Solely because Gaijin is xenophobic towards Britain. All of our stuff is 2-3x the price than the export variants in other countries like Israel and Sweden which can be better. The aircraft are subsonic at 9.7+ and still cost 2-3x times of other nations’ supersonic fighters. They handicap us everywhere for seemingly 0 reason and it never gets talked about.
I think they are basing their stats off the 20pdr prototypes. There's a shit ton of prototypes to confuse that lead to the 1965 Chieftain, so it's easy for them to sweep complaint under the rug. The penetration tables they use are completely pants hat for the production model L11 firing L15A3 shot.
I really enjoyed the chieftain mk3 a few years ago. It was a beast honestly. But then they changed traction mechanics it turned from bearable to borderline unplayably slow. And then it’s gotten worse with several other changes
But have you tried shooting at the Chinese "Object 122"? Tried it today and none pen at 1.5km to the front. Yeah it's not bad "at close ranges" but from >1 km, this tank now performs less than the vickers mk. 1 with a 105 mm cannon (384mm pen apds) at 7.3 BR.
@@jasonzhou5783 but the chieftain has never and I mean never struggled to fight a T-55 AM, let alone an obj 122. The chieftain was regarded as the most modern tank of its era. The brit line also suffers now from the ongoing APDS "butcher" since APDS are not functioning at all. Oh and you said flat pen right? Just yesterday I shot a T-72 in the engine from 10m behind him, the APDS round got shattered twice by a piece of metal.
@@dogeler249 Except you act like it struggles with the T55AM now, when it doesn't. The current chieftain apds can still frontally ufp pen a T55AM at 2 km. Same for proj 122. In any case, that's a deflection. Your original argument was that chieftain gun was now worse than vicker mk 1. Your argument proves nothing of the kind. Also, I wouldn't consider it the most modern tank of it's era, considering it entered service a few years after the T64.
I'm Basically at 8.3 or higher with the US, UK , Italy, and Germany and I'm researching this rn .... I'm scared now . I'm loving Italy tho researching the VCC and then the Hungarian T-72 . I'm at like the Bradley and Chap area in US but it seems like super bland with the US tree at this level . Like almost stagnant
Britain is all about patience, accurate shot placement, and knowing how to use a rangefinder. At 8.0 right now and I really struggled at first from 6.0 to 8.0. They aren't friendly to new players - though I do think the first chieftain is over tiered now with both of them at 8.3. Honestly both should be 8.3. Either way, it takes a few matches coming from USA to Britian every time I play to get into a rhythm. They're great at disabling enemies, extremely accurate at longer ranges - even without a range finder. Learning to judge distance is the hardest part of them.
i'd be fine with disabling but they are so god damn inconsistent with what they can and cannot do in game. you get games where you are just slaughtering penning everything you see and then the next you can't do anything to the enemies hitting the same spots with your sabot. sometimes you bounce shots that kill you the next second its mainly just inconsistency for me if they were more consistent with what they can do it would make playing them easier but gaijin has never been one for consistency.
The tank does have a .50 cal coax mount but it binds to a different firing key and shoots in short 4 round bursts. Also, I it shoots adjustment incendiary rounds that have 7mm of pen point blank so the performance is really bad. Like the rest of the tank.
chieftain Mk.3 should be at 8.0, It doesn't have any of the things 8.3 normally has ( darts, thermals, laser range finder) on top of that it's also slower than most 8.3 vehicles. 8.0 next to the T55A is a far better fit. Also why is the AMX-30 at a higher BR than the leopard, does gaijin just decide French vehicles need to be at a higher BR than equivalent or better vehicles of other nations? AMX-13 HOT at 8.0 while BMP1 and marder are at 7.3.
The Mk.3 was actually one of my best Tanks few years ago (along with the Ho-Ri Production before it´s nerf) with the 420mm pen and it´s BR back then.. such a good tank... why did they f*ck it up so much? It was never OP and never got played by many people... Gaijin wurde hart ins Hinr geschissen die blöden Pfeifenköppe.
The sheer audacity of them to nerf this thing when it already struggled enough... I feel like the developers played one 8.3 game as a T55 AM1 and got dusted by a Mk 3 or 5 Cheiftain and made this change out of spite to us Britain players. Seriously It makes no sense for a 120 mm L11 Royal Ordnance Canon to have such poor penetration values and not to mention awful fragmentation effects. This thing should be almost an automatic one shot to any target no matter where you hit them. Not to mention the Mk 5 is for some imaginary reason at 8.7 while you can have a dm 23 leopard, Tam 2 IP, T62 M1, or anything else that's way way better than it. Utterly pathetic.
+extra audacity that they claim the Chieftains are "nearly invincible" in a hull down position. Cut the crap, most rounds at the br can punch right through.
@@CatWithAOpinion Only completely stock tanks at 7.7 and below struggle to penetrate the chieftain frontally and even then their mobility is usually good enough to flank it effectively. Honestly I was okay with the mk 3 being at 8.3 (the mk 5 also should have been 8.3) but with a nerf to the only thing which made it good, it's just a useless tank now. The fact that you can have a t55 AM 1 with better mobility, better armor, better firepower, better versatility, and almost as good of a reload means this thing will never ever get played. Irl the chieftain was state of the art for firepower and armor. It was after all meant to engage tanks like the t10, t55 and t62 which it outranged and could easily punch through. The problem is Gaijin thinks these modern versions of the t55 and t62 need to fight it to be balanced. Just bad perspective on the developers' parts. Play the game on both sides before you make changes.
8.3 Britain is already rough, so I have no idea why Gaijin decided to do this aside from their casual hatred for the British and French tech trees. "Someone's gotta be cannon fodder." Gaijin, probably
I'm pretty sure the best thing they say about the Matilda is that it's a more interesting target than your teammates. Its greatest strength is that your opponents will think 'huh, cool, a Matilda' as they kill you.
@@natesiress1057 Matilda II: literally deployed in France 1940 against PzII, early PzIII and IV Gaijin: "Best I can do is a spiked dick in the butt, roll for circumference." {always long barrel turbo armor PzIII's, StuH42 lathered in tracks, Pumbaa 1943, PzIV F2 lathered in tracks, PzIV 1943, three PzIV 1944 lathered in tracks, M4 105 unavoidable, Bofors trucks, Dicker Max, MD-8 pixy dust shells, Soviet 47/57mm's that UFO pen and nuke, Swede post war APDS, M10 to the face...}
I remember grinding for the cr.1 mk.3 when gj nerfed the hesh and heat-fs penetrations to hand hold russian vehicles and it was fun firing light vehicles with the hesh(note we still had hullbreak) and no matter how many rounds i shot at light tanks, mainly russian, i never once got a single hull break
Just like the T-80B or the Bmp-1 are able a modernisation module to research. The other way is Put down all BR for the chieftain (8.3/8.7/9.0 --> 8.0/8.3/8.7), add the Mk11 variant and it's missing Chieftain Sabre in the game (8.7 maybe) or other and many project for the Chieftain.
as a top tier Britain player I can attest that honestly if any nation has the right to say that we "suffer" as the meme goes it is Britain tbh. Since this patch my Black Prince which was my favourite tank in the entire game is now worthless and I hate playing it. I could go 3 or 4 kills minimum every single game with it in one life easy. Now I just get bounce after bounce after bounce. Earlier today my L26 shell in my challenger 2 bounced off the front armour of a 2S38.... Every time I see your Britain Suffers preset in the bottom I laugh and feel seen. Thanks for the amazing content and level headed thinking Justin
Watching the massive lack of spalling was so painfull. Wonder what will be next for them from Gaijin. 9.0 for mk.3 and 9.3 for mk.5? i wouldnt be suprised
Pretty sure the update today has fucked the Cheiftain line further, hitting targets and shit just isn't penetrating anymore, used to exclusively play UK ground vehicles but switched to the IDF for a change and was shocked on how much easier it was. Even the British vehicles in the IDF tree get better shells, upgrades for the same BR.
Why Gaijin hates UK, Italy and France? Because they are Russians and they are still bitter, that their country lost the Cold War where all these countries were successful and had armies that were actually a big threat for USSR and they expecially were scared of Chieftains and French mobile doctrine, which would fully counter their tank rush plans for invasion of West Europe. Chieftains were the best western tanks until Leopard 2 and 120 mm Abrams came into service, they were only tanks, that could fight T64s and T72s headon in fair and balanced combat.
Just another reason I have uninstalled the game, as a brit main, combined with this update and the crap they have done recently, plus the cheating problem getting more annoying, PLUS the crap with the economy and the devs literally being useless Money grabbing wankers. The game is on a downward spiral. It's a joke ATM. Gaijin need to go.
Gaijin just pure hates the brits...i have both mark 3 n 5,but i never really play with them,but now its sayonara pal....ist just terrible to play with the brits
chieftains aint populair cuz they dont fit in with their br`s. you get lol penned left right and center by anything you face. and you slow as all hell, and the terible "maps" WT copy pastes these days is just not worth playing. and aslong as they dont fold the 200 chally`s its not worth playing brits in general
Lower the pen I been playing 7.7 British it’s bad well for me at least since I need 3 shells or more to kill some tanks on sides or front since the shells shatters 😂 😅 it’s sad so is it going down 8.0 now
Well, I mean life as a British main has basically been 'pen everything, kill nothing' for as long as I can remember so glad to see it continue. P.S. Justin, the Brits don't put governors on their engines- they put guvnas on 'em XD
Its a British vehicle, what do you expect? Challenger2's turret armour still underperforming despite the fact that a person went to jail to disprove that Warthunder chally 2 is wrong. Look at the new tornado, it uses an early radar that was used in the planes testing phase, and the Skyflash supertemps seeker is wrong. I wont even bother mentioning the Stormer HVM...
The fact how russian vehicles are getting reduced in battleratings and some which are objectivelly worse for the meta recieve increases in their br's is... i dont have the vocabulary to express my distain for such missplacements
high tier realistic mode feels kinda arcade with all this stabilization, thermal vision, relatively easy aiming, auto range adjustment ... i liked the game way more back when 7.7 was the top tier and there wasnt any of this weird modern stuff ... its not fun anymore to die by some small prototypes with bazooka hidden in a bush or just being 1 shot in a matter of miliseconds because someone just snapped that mouse on a desk aiming at you ... i mean tanks in real life dont do that, its impossible to do a 360 in a tank and hit target effortlessly ... it just sucks
THANK YOU I mentioned this on your conqueror video, not sure if you saw it but this really needs to be addressed. Either needs to be resolved or move the Chieftain down to 8.0 because it's a joke. The fact that the T55AM can get away with 8.3 and chieftains are 8.3-8.7 baffles me. I remember when they first added chieftain it had 400mm of pen, they ninja nerfed it then and they tried too now.
As much as the chieftain is no longer that iconic tank it used to be, i still very much enjoyed playing it, its experience makes me felt most "tankist"-ish
@@JustinPlaysTV Now sabot is divided into three types according to the formula, which I would like to call early, middle and late stages.(high Angle performance gradually improved) The current update of the APDS formula has resulted in the warhead disappearing directly after penetrating multiple layers of armor in the early and mid APDS, which should be the cause of the "unreliability" you mentioned. And also those shells tend to break when impact on angle plate and on an uneven surface（the face of the Tiger 1 for example） The APDS used in Chieftain mk3 use late APDS, like the M728 on the M60A1, and are not affected by bugs. So I think it's OK to just shoot the ammo rack.
@@JustinPlaysTV By calculating the 60°pen ÷ flat pen, you can easily find out the actual type of the APDS. You may roughly get these three numbers 0.27 0.38 and 0.54. The same method can also apply on APFSDS， which got 4 or 5 type of formula.
I was doing quite well in my Chieftain Mk3 before this nerf. But I'm said to say that, after 4+ years of playing War Thunder, these APDS nerfs/changes were 'the straw that broke the camel's back' for me ... and I uninstalled War Thunder four days ago. Yours is the only War Thunder video I've watched on UA-cam since then (your videos are great). It's a great game, but I ran the math and realised that I've spent over 90 days of continuous play in the game. and probably £350+, and all I've got to show for it is worse eyesight and me going out a bit less than I used to! So, unless I have a big change of heart, it's goodbye to the community :(
M58 vs L11 power levels reality when you dig into it. T104 shot had roughly 500mm of flat pen {very high 400's which is where the number can be seen to pull from}. Goopjin still scuffed the Chieftain's penetration with their mystical "I make it the fuck up" dEmARrE ✨spreadsheet✨
please make a vid on the comet. went from 5.0 to 5.3 to 5.7 then had its reload increased to nearly 10 seconds and now its just had its best round nerfed so it cant Penn the front of a panther. used to be my favorite tank, but for some reason it got nerfed into oblivion, wasnt even great to begin with
Just like us 7.0 to 8.0 I bounced a 400mm pen round off a weasel yesterday gg bombs next to a target does squat but damage tracks 1000lbs bombs don't need to be on top of the tank irl
"If this was the real world, the engine would've pop" The Chiefy used by the BAOR in West Germany literally couldn't travel far from their base without having its Leyland L60 engine or its transmission broke down LMAO. If it wasn't for the fact that the tank was designed with modularly swappable engine that enables the tank to drive again with swapped-out engine after an hour of the tank broke down, performance of this tank could be even worse. Funny thing is, the Chieftain's engine is literally the same one you'd found in the Vickers Mk1 MBT and with the Vickers Mk1, that thing is maneuverable and agile AF compared to the Chieftain lol
You know gaijin has fked up when the conqueror uses essentially the same gun as the Cheiftains seeing as its a precursor to the Cheiftains... yet the Cheiftain has wayyyy less pen I'm sure the mod decided a less powerful gun was a great upgrade...
The L1 is the British model of the M58, which Gaijin flopped on T104 shot flat pen... L11 is less powerful, but what guyjoob did to L15A3 shot is a bit of a joke considering the penetration is over 300 from point blank to max effective range. Mix and match 90mm M3 shot tomfoolery at play all over again. The L1 uses long brass case charge two-piece ammo The L11 uses short disintegrating bag charge two-piece ammo The L1 is trained to load at about 14 seconds a cycle {over 10 seconds expected} The L11 is loaded about twice as fast from ready {7-8 seconds expected on hand early} -the smaller pieces mean you can packrat like a stereotypical Brit even harder The L1 is sigmas of deviation more powerful than the L11 The L11 wears less on a shorter tube {five calibers less vs sixty} There is a technology age gap between the two to consider though... L11 is technically a downgrade, considering the details.
lmfao, also, yes the MOD would do something that retarded. They demanded the L60 as well, lol. No Rolls diesel or AVDS for you. "It takes the winch onto the trailer or it gets the hose again." -MOD, probably
That player “Whoosh_Boom” at the start is so bizarre. That’s not the only thing I’ve seen him doing in matches. He never plays normally. Using a Yak-38 as a helicopter for instance.
He’s always doing something really creative.
Using a Yak-38 as a heli? Honestly thats quite commendable, i'd attempt the same.
10 whooshes out of boom for creativity
And now its 8.7. Woohoo! Pop that champagne!
Both the Chieftain Mk.3 and Mk.5 were already bad at their BR's, constantly getting shredded by 90mm and 105mm HEAT fired by tanks that are 7.0 and 7.3. That's just now the pinnacle of an example of how much Gaijin apparently hates britain players. The more time passes, the happier I get that I pretty much quit this game last year as a former UK and US Ground-Main...
Is gaijin slowly letting politics get in the way of balance? Just a little conspiracy theory I just came up with. I doubt it but it would make sense
the chiefmk3 was great dont lie now
Yeah I stopped last year as well, I too played the brits, they have a grudge against them for sure. Switched to Russia and the game was a lot more enjoyable
@@pront8777 It was great like five+ years ago, the meta and the map pool got worse for it sadly since then...
There is a good comparison tank to it imo., the T-62. It's already regarded as sub-par by today standarts, but it still excells the Chieftains in this BR bracket by the performance of it's ammo, it's mobility and the overall tank profile.
@@Terrible_Pirate Idk i still have %60 WR in it and I only played it 1 patch ago
It has weaker flat pen than 100mm T54 APDS LMAO what are they smoking
They are smoking a lot of shit. Irl tests against b tech leo2a4 also showed that it was immune against even 3bm22 from front but in wt even pos 3bm9 has no problem lolpenning 2a4 everywhere apart from turret cheeks.
Later generations of apds specifically trade flat pen for angled pen. And frankly, the angled pen matters more anyways.
Flat pen means nothing when every tank has sloped armow
Chieftain flatpen round better than M60A1 and AOS
Sits at 8.7 now :/
t55a is just a straight upgrade to this at a lower br
really sad since chieftain is the sexiest tank in the game imo
justin new t72m1 for germany pls
In fact, the pen at a angle more than 60° is a little better. But generally it's not affecting the gameplay since the chieft mk3 is already really bad (less efficiency than a M60A1AOS in my opinion).
when you are slow, you'd better get a lot of armor, apparently the mk3 doesn't get it.
Well this sucks cause that’s literally My main vehicle and i know i get bs bounces alot and that’s certainly not going to help
Lmao I know the guy in the Saab that came up to you in the start of the vid
So the 120mm is now worse than a 105mm? That makes sense :D
The 120mm is still superior to the early 105mm APDS in terms of slope performance.
Solely because Gaijin is xenophobic towards Britain. All of our stuff is 2-3x the price than the export variants in other countries like Israel and Sweden which can be better. The aircraft are subsonic at 9.7+ and still cost 2-3x times of other nations’ supersonic fighters.
They handicap us everywhere for seemingly 0 reason and it never gets talked about.
The guy in the beginning..... What a nice lad coming to say hi 😅
now the 20pdr (83mm) has better performance the chieftain gun (120mm)
I think they are basing their stats off the 20pdr prototypes. There's a shit ton of prototypes to confuse that lead to the 1965 Chieftain, so it's easy for them to sweep complaint under the rug. The penetration tables they use are completely pants hat for the production model L11 firing L15A3 shot.
The Chieftains gun has better performance against sloped armour, which matters more considering you won't be seeing flat armour at BR 8.3
I really enjoyed the chieftain mk3 a few years ago. It was a beast honestly. But then they changed traction mechanics it turned from bearable to borderline unplayably slow. And then it’s gotten worse with several other changes
But have you tried shooting at the Chinese "Object 122"? Tried it today and none pen at 1.5km to the front. Yeah it's not bad "at close ranges" but from >1 km, this tank now performs less than the vickers mk. 1 with a 105 mm cannon (384mm pen apds) at 7.3 BR.
It only has worse flat pen. Chieftain can ufp pen a t10m, vickers mk 1 cant.
@@jasonzhou5783 Vickers MK1 is also 7.7 and not 8.3.
@@jasonzhou5783 but the chieftain has never and I mean never struggled to fight a T-55 AM, let alone an obj 122. The chieftain was regarded as the most modern tank of its era. The brit line also suffers now from the ongoing APDS "butcher" since APDS are not functioning at all.
Oh and you said flat pen right? Just yesterday I shot a T-72 in the engine from 10m behind him, the APDS round got shattered twice by a piece of metal.
@@dogeler249 Except you act like it struggles with the T55AM now, when it doesn't. The current chieftain apds can still frontally ufp pen a T55AM at 2 km. Same for proj 122.
In any case, that's a deflection. Your original argument was that chieftain gun was now worse than vicker mk 1. Your argument proves nothing of the kind.
Also, I wouldn't consider it the most modern tank of it's era, considering it entered service a few years after the T64.
I'm Basically at 8.3 or higher with the US, UK , Italy, and Germany and I'm researching this rn .... I'm scared now . I'm loving Italy tho researching the VCC and then the Hungarian T-72 . I'm at like the Bradley and Chap area in US but it seems like super bland with the US tree at this level . Like almost stagnant
The.50 is classed as a secondary canon or similar.
Right. It's for ranging the HESH round and has basically no penetration power.
The fact that this can face T64bv's...
Britain is all about patience, accurate shot placement, and knowing how to use a rangefinder. At 8.0 right now and I really struggled at first from 6.0 to 8.0. They aren't friendly to new players - though I do think the first chieftain is over tiered now with both of them at 8.3. Honestly both should be 8.3.
Either way, it takes a few matches coming from USA to Britian every time I play to get into a rhythm. They're great at disabling enemies, extremely accurate at longer ranges - even without a range finder. Learning to judge distance is the hardest part of them.
i'd be fine with disabling but they are so god damn inconsistent with what they can and cannot do in game. you get games where you are just slaughtering penning everything you see and then the next you can't do anything to the enemies hitting the same spots with your sabot. sometimes you bounce shots that kill you the next second its mainly just inconsistency for me if they were more consistent with what they can do it would make playing them easier but gaijin has never been one for consistency.
Justin has quite the HESH fetish. Everytime he plays a vehicle with HESH, he aways says how bad he wants to BESH something 😂
The tank does have a .50 cal coax mount but it binds to a different firing key and shoots in short 4 round bursts. Also, I it shoots adjustment incendiary rounds that have 7mm of pen point blank so the performance is really bad. Like the rest of the tank.
War thunder making bad choices in 2023???
Ranging .50 cal is a secondary weapon for some reason
Now the Crazy Horse is stronger than the Chieftain MK. 3 in game .
the cent mk 3 has the best gun and round now with 383mm base pen at 7.3
Wait. They nerfed the Type 89 AGAIN? Man, it just cannot catch a break. That’s like what, the 7th nerf for just the Type 89?
Strange nerfs to western tanks and new russian OP tanks added every update? Practically propaganda
Quick question how do you move around without your turret moves ?
Hold C
Crazy how the mk 5 is the same BR as the of 40 mk2 mtca and the tam 2ip, gaijin realy does hate britain
if cheftain mk3 and 5 would be 8.0 then they would be worth playing while things like t55a turms III with apfsds are at 8.0
I think the most unnecessary nerf was the MBT/KPZ-70
xm-803 too
Just know that every British main is better then you if they hit, let alone pen whatever nation's vehicle you are playing.
If they buffed hesh you should play the fv4005
chieftain Mk.3 should be at 8.0, It doesn't have any of the things 8.3 normally has ( darts, thermals, laser range finder) on top of that it's also slower than most 8.3 vehicles. 8.0 next to the T55A is a far better fit. Also why is the AMX-30 at a higher BR than the leopard, does gaijin just decide French vehicles need to be at a higher BR than equivalent or better vehicles of other nations? AMX-13 HOT at 8.0 while BMP1 and marder are at 7.3.
i just finished using the chieftains to get the chally and i LOVED playing them they were amazing, got my first nuke in them
is that the reddit sk-60 man
perhaps
The Mk.3 was actually one of my best Tanks few years ago (along with the Ho-Ri Production before it´s nerf) with the 420mm pen and it´s BR back then.. such a good tank... why did they f*ck it up so much? It was never OP and never got played by many people... Gaijin wurde hart ins Hinr geschissen die blöden Pfeifenköppe.
10:19 are you for real asking if the Bri’ish put a guv’nor on something?
First! now give me a medal
I'll give you a thumbs up instead xP
@@JustinPlaysTV Thanks :P
hi :D
The sheer audacity of them to nerf this thing when it already struggled enough...
I feel like the developers played one 8.3 game as a T55 AM1 and got dusted by a Mk 3 or 5 Cheiftain and made this change out of spite to us Britain players. Seriously It makes no sense for a 120 mm L11 Royal Ordnance Canon to have such poor penetration values and not to mention awful fragmentation effects. This thing should be almost an automatic one shot to any target no matter where you hit them. Not to mention the Mk 5 is for some imaginary reason at 8.7 while you can have a dm 23 leopard, Tam 2 IP, T62 M1, or anything else that's way way better than it.
Utterly pathetic.
+extra audacity that they claim the Chieftains are "nearly invincible" in a hull down position. Cut the crap, most rounds at the br can punch right through.
@@CatWithAOpinion Lol, shame there are basically no spots to go hull down because all the maps are garbage call of duty CQC maps.
@@CatWithAOpinion Only completely stock tanks at 7.7 and below struggle to penetrate the chieftain frontally and even then their mobility is usually good enough to flank it effectively. Honestly I was okay with the mk 3 being at 8.3 (the mk 5 also should have been 8.3) but with a nerf to the only thing which made it good, it's just a useless tank now. The fact that you can have a t55 AM 1 with better mobility, better armor, better firepower, better versatility, and almost as good of a reload means this thing will never ever get played.
Irl the chieftain was state of the art for firepower and armor. It was after all meant to engage tanks like the t10, t55 and t62 which it outranged and could easily punch through. The problem is Gaijin thinks these modern versions of the t55 and t62 need to fight it to be balanced.
Just bad perspective on the developers' parts. Play the game on both sides before you make changes.
@@CatWithAOpinion T-62 with the first apfsds can punch MK3 turret so where is the point
THIS! They make emotional decisions to sabotage anything that has a lucky game against USSR.
8.3 Britain is already rough, so I have no idea why Gaijin decided to do this aside from their casual hatred for the British and French tech trees.
"Someone's gotta be cannon fodder." Gaijin, probably
I'm pretty sure the best thing they say about the Matilda is that it's a more interesting target than your teammates. Its greatest strength is that your opponents will think 'huh, cool, a Matilda' as they kill you.
@@natesiress1057 Matilda II: literally deployed in France 1940 against PzII, early PzIII and IV
Gaijin: "Best I can do is a spiked dick in the butt, roll for circumference."
{always long barrel turbo armor PzIII's, StuH42 lathered in tracks, Pumbaa 1943, PzIV F2 lathered in tracks, PzIV 1943, three PzIV 1944 lathered in tracks, M4 105 unavoidable, Bofors trucks, Dicker Max, MD-8 pixy dust shells, Soviet 47/57mm's that UFO pen and nuke, Swede post war APDS, M10 to the face...}
I do enjoy 7.7 - 8.7 Britain!
I mean the za35 and zt are pretty good, and the warrior
gaijin loves France wdym. also french players are sweaty wallet warrios. Britain and Italy suffer more.
The chieftain was already sad, but now wow
I remember grinding for the cr.1 mk.3 when gj nerfed the hesh and heat-fs penetrations to hand hold russian vehicles and it was fun firing light vehicles with the hesh(note we still had hullbreak) and no matter how many rounds i shot at light tanks, mainly russian, i never once got a single hull break
KANE LIVES!!!!
well it was a sad tank IRL aswell... but still gajin has double standards when it comes to realism and historical accuracy
Well it wasn't great when it started out but when they introduced the mk10 in the early 80s it was a fine tank
I wish the Chieftain Mk.10 got changed to the Mk.11 and got its Thermal sights, would make at least one tech tree Chieftain worth playing.
They’ll add the Crazy Borse before they do that tho
Just like the T-80B or the Bmp-1 are able a modernisation module to research. The other way is Put down all BR for the chieftain (8.3/8.7/9.0 --> 8.0/8.3/8.7), add the Mk11 variant and it's missing Chieftain Sabre in the game (8.7 maybe) or other and many project for the Chieftain.
@@Whiskey77miwo only Russia gets researchable modules that transform the vehicle comrad))))
@@jfv2312 *sad tea noise*
Oh dont worry the mk11 will be added. As a premium of course
as a top tier Britain player I can attest that honestly if any nation has the right to say that we "suffer" as the meme goes it is Britain tbh. Since this patch my Black Prince which was my favourite tank in the entire game is now worthless and I hate playing it. I could go 3 or 4 kills minimum every single game with it in one life easy. Now I just get bounce after bounce after bounce. Earlier today my L26 shell in my challenger 2 bounced off the front armour of a 2S38....
Every time I see your Britain Suffers preset in the bottom I laugh and feel seen. Thanks for the amazing content and level headed thinking Justin
It's rare to see a patch these days that doesn't NERF Britain. There are increasingly few areas where Britain actually excel.
lmao I only saw it now in your video, that I killed you with the helicopter at 13:47.
Watching the massive lack of spalling was so painfull. Wonder what will be next for them from Gaijin. 9.0 for mk.3 and 9.3 for mk.5? i wouldnt be suprised
10.3. just flank!
"Oh that's a light tank"
*Literally one of the heaviest tanks in history*
Can't believe the 120mm has less pen than the 105 it replaced, and also the the 20pdr that replaced.
It's the gun velocity. What I heard is that they used the same bag charges but a heavier shell in the chiefy. Still doesn't make sense tho
they have really good engine sounds
"client stability fixes" = nerfs
Have they fallen on their heads??? The Conqueror at 7.7 now has 502mm of penetration, but the Chieftain a meager one of 298mm.
Pretty sure the update today has fucked the Cheiftain line further, hitting targets and shit just isn't penetrating anymore, used to exclusively play UK ground vehicles but switched to the IDF for a change and was shocked on how much easier it was. Even the British vehicles in the IDF tree get better shells, upgrades for the same BR.
Why Gaijin hates UK, Italy and France? Because they are Russians and they are still bitter, that their country lost the Cold War where all these countries were successful and had armies that were actually a big threat for USSR and they expecially were scared of Chieftains and French mobile doctrine, which would fully counter their tank rush plans for invasion of West Europe.
Chieftains were the best western tanks until Leopard 2 and 120 mm Abrams came into service, they were only tanks, that could fight T64s and T72s headon in fair and balanced combat.
There is a light tank here.. I can hear him... turns out to be a MAUS... the exact Opposite of anything light.
up vote for wholesome open
How about the nerf to the Jumbos
Intro took me by suprise lol
Just another reason I have uninstalled the game, as a brit main, combined with this update and the crap they have done recently, plus the cheating problem getting more annoying, PLUS the crap with the economy and the devs literally being useless Money grabbing wankers. The game is on a downward spiral. It's a joke ATM. Gaijin need to go.
Please reupload this video without the HESH comment... Every time there is a mention of something British being decent it gets ghost nerfed.
Wooosh is at it again lmfao
the cheifton was the best tank of its time in the world. Look how gaijin ruined it. its mildly offensive even.
If the Chieftains don't finally get lowered in BR then Gaijin is full of shit in regards to (player statistics)
Gaijin just pure hates the brits...i have both mark 3 n 5,but i never really play with them,but now its sayonara pal....ist just terrible to play with the brits
chieftains aint populair cuz they dont fit in with their br`s. you get lol penned left right and center by anything you face. and you slow as all hell, and the terible "maps" WT copy pastes these days is just not worth playing. and aslong as they dont fold the 200 chally`s its not worth playing brits in general
Today was a bad day for me in warthunder
we love you to man ;'D
Lower the pen I been playing 7.7 British it’s bad well for me at least since I need 3 shells or more to kill some tanks on sides or front since the shells shatters 😂 😅 it’s sad so is it going down 8.0 now
BRADLEY
The ranging MG on the chieftains is set to the same key as firing the coax gun on a Maus for some reason rather than the MG key.
0:45 is basically the P-51 vs T-34 scene where Mustang flew off the bridge and dipped. Then came back up haha.
Well, I mean life as a British main has basically been 'pen everything, kill nothing' for as long as I can remember so glad to see it continue.
P.S.
Justin, the Brits don't put governors on their engines- they put guvnas on 'em XD
Its a British vehicle, what do you expect?
Challenger2's turret armour still underperforming despite the fact that a person went to jail to disprove that Warthunder chally 2 is wrong.
Look at the new tornado, it uses an early radar that was used in the planes testing phase, and the Skyflash supertemps seeker is wrong.
I wont even bother mentioning the Stormer HVM...
The fact how russian vehicles are getting reduced in battleratings and some which are objectivelly worse for the meta recieve increases in their br's is... i dont have the vocabulary to express my distain for such missplacements
high tier realistic mode feels kinda arcade with all this stabilization, thermal vision, relatively easy aiming, auto range adjustment ... i liked the game way more back when 7.7 was the top tier and there wasnt any of this weird modern stuff ... its not fun anymore to die by some small prototypes with bazooka hidden in a bush or just being 1 shot in a matter of miliseconds because someone just snapped that mouse on a desk aiming at you ... i mean tanks in real life dont do that, its impossible to do a 360 in a tank and hit target effortlessly ... it just sucks
It actually is that easy for modern tanks to do a full 360 and snap to targets lmao. What are you on about
that intro lmfao
i just had to say hi lol
Why is bro taking 44 rounds of ammo???
Someone didn't watch the whole video xP
@@JustinPlaysTV You got me I reflexively commented this D:
THANK YOU I mentioned this on your conqueror video, not sure if you saw it but this really needs to be addressed. Either needs to be resolved or move the Chieftain down to 8.0 because it's a joke. The fact that the T55AM can get away with 8.3 and chieftains are 8.3-8.7 baffles me.
I remember when they first added chieftain it had 400mm of pen, they ninja nerfed it then and they tried too now.
As much as the chieftain is no longer that iconic tank it used to be, i still very much enjoyed playing it, its experience makes me felt most "tankist"-ish
Not only the chieftain have been nerfed
The Comet is currently a living pain to play, for the hv77 apds cannot pen the front of a panther now lmao.
Just shoot the lower side of the Maus , it's full of ammo, always one shot
Not with british Sabot, terribly unreliable. So I like to pick out the crew one by one.
@@JustinPlaysTV Now sabot is divided into three types according to the formula, which I would like to call early, middle and late stages.(high Angle performance gradually improved)
The current update of the APDS formula has resulted in the warhead disappearing directly after penetrating multiple layers of armor in the early and mid APDS, which should be the cause of the "unreliability" you mentioned.
And also those shells tend to break when impact on angle plate and on an uneven surface（the face of the Tiger 1 for example）
The APDS used in Chieftain mk3 use late APDS, like the M728 on the M60A1, and are not affected by bugs.
So I think it's OK to just shoot the ammo rack.
@@JustinPlaysTV By calculating the 60°pen ÷ flat pen, you can easily find out the actual type of the APDS.
You may roughly get these three numbers
0.27 0.38 and 0.54.
The same method can also apply on APFSDS， which got 4 or 5 type of formula.
I was doing quite well in my Chieftain Mk3 before this nerf. But I'm said to say that, after 4+ years of playing War Thunder, these APDS nerfs/changes were 'the straw that broke the camel's back' for me ... and I uninstalled War Thunder four days ago. Yours is the only War Thunder video I've watched on UA-cam since then (your videos are great). It's a great game, but I ran the math and realised that I've spent over 90 days of continuous play in the game. and probably £350+, and all I've got to show for it is worse eyesight and me going out a bit less than I used to! So, unless I have a big change of heart, it's goodbye to the community :(
average swedish pilot
How does the conqueror have 500mm pen at 7.7 but the chieftains have 300mm at 8.3/8.7?
M58 vs L11 power levels reality when you dig into it. T104 shot had roughly 500mm of flat pen {very high 400's which is where the number can be seen to pull from}. Goopjin still scuffed the Chieftain's penetration with their mystical "I make it the fuck up" dEmARrE ✨spreadsheet✨
please make a vid on the comet. went from 5.0 to 5.3 to 5.7 then had its reload increased to nearly 10 seconds and now its just had its best round nerfed so it cant Penn the front of a panther. used to be my favorite tank, but for some reason it got nerfed into oblivion, wasnt even great to begin with
because if it pens german tanks, it needs to get nerfed and moved up.
@@shronkler1994 cant be having that haha
Name 1 buff Japan got that wasn’t the type 10 armor fix
Why did gaijin did this to my boy
Great I just got to the cheftens and now I can't use them
Just like us 7.0 to 8.0 I bounced a 400mm pen round off a weasel yesterday gg bombs next to a target does squat but damage tracks 1000lbs bombs don't need to be on top of the tank irl
That was a great intro lol, I know the person from a CB I always join. A great lad indeed.
Wait until you see what they did to the comet
"If this was the real world, the engine would've pop"
The Chiefy used by the BAOR in West Germany literally couldn't travel far from their base without having its Leyland L60 engine or its transmission broke down LMAO. If it wasn't for the fact that the tank was designed with modularly swappable engine that enables the tank to drive again with swapped-out engine after an hour of the tank broke down, performance of this tank could be even worse.
Funny thing is, the Chieftain's engine is literally the same one you'd found in the Vickers Mk1 MBT and with the Vickers Mk1, that thing is maneuverable and agile AF compared to the Chieftain lol
Chieftain mk3 - 8.0
Chieftain mk5 - 8.3
Chieftain mk10 - 8.7
You could make the argument that the Mk.5 could also be 8.0
With new BRs it should be chieftain mk3/5 8.3 and chieftain mk10 9.0
"There goes my hero, watch him as he goes"
the plane at the start left because his people needed him.
You know gaijin has fked up when the conqueror uses essentially the same gun as the Cheiftains seeing as its a precursor to the Cheiftains... yet the Cheiftain has wayyyy less pen I'm sure the mod decided a less powerful gun was a great upgrade...
The L1 is the British model of the M58, which Gaijin flopped on T104 shot flat pen...
L11 is less powerful, but what guyjoob did to L15A3 shot is a bit of a joke considering the penetration is over 300 from point blank to max effective range. Mix and match 90mm M3 shot tomfoolery at play all over again.
The L1 uses long brass case charge two-piece ammo
The L11 uses short disintegrating bag charge two-piece ammo
The L1 is trained to load at about 14 seconds a cycle {over 10 seconds expected}
The L11 is loaded about twice as fast from ready {7-8 seconds expected on hand early}
-the smaller pieces mean you can packrat like a stereotypical Brit even harder
The L1 is sigmas of deviation more powerful than the L11
The L11 wears less on a shorter tube {five calibers less vs sixty}
There is a technology age gap between the two to consider though...
L11 is technically a downgrade, considering the details.
lmfao, also, yes the MOD would do something that retarded. They demanded the L60 as well, lol. No Rolls diesel or AVDS for you.
"It takes the winch onto the trailer or it gets the hose again."
-MOD, probably
Nerf all the things!!!
Let's just say, there is a reason, for why i call it the Sh!tstain.