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Fab video mate, i had the gear box oil changed by a special automatic box mechanic about a year ago charged me £35, and I supplied the oil did not notice any improvement in fact it was the same as when I put it in with him, went to see him about 3 weeks ago about changing the solenoids in the box he said 8 new solenoids plus new oil £480 all in ,the car is a good but not worth doing at that price ,so after looking on UA-cam was going to have a go on changing the solenoids my self after all been in the motor trade 55 years doing repairs etc 68 now and still loves a challenge . Then came across your video about the oil needing to be flushed 3 times to get most of the crap oil out only done 84 k ,what have i got to lose bought the oil and flushed her out 3 times each time start up and engaging the gears ,it would not go above third but done all the other gears about 5 times in and out ,on the first drain there was exactly just under 3 litres of black oil made sure the measurement was spot on so just put in on the last refill just under 3 litres of new dextro 6 best oil the exact same as the first drain off ,refitted everything back on to the car then out on the first run with in 50 metres the car was in fort gear smooth as silk never been as good haven't done a long trip, but you can just feel the difference not like when the mechanic supposed to have changed the oil starting to think he did not do the job just kept my oil and money , this time you definitely could feel the improvement the mechanic will not be having £480 of me giving her good run on Friday let you know thanks again by the way trying to buy a lexia to be able to reset the gearbox oil counter Peugeot 407 coupe v6 2.7
17mil hex, exactly same as a wheel nut on one of my wheels. remove wheel nut, nut head goes into the gearbox draim plug and it gives just enough space to also fit a wrench! great
A very useful and well-explained video, thank you. I'm in my 70's and not too keen on crawling under cars anymore so looks like I'll have to entrust this work to a garage. I also don't have VIDA.
Thanks for the tip with the mannol fluid. I have flushed my gearbox twice already and on Volvo original fluid from dealer's store. The price was more than 3x the one for mannol so its a lot cheaper
Thank you for the video. It was useful. The original O ring seals and bushings are dramatically expensive. I think that is overpriced thing as it it so simple material and millions of other hydraulic equipment use similar parts but the price is 1 or 2 pounds for a bushing which is the right price to be (in my opinion). Another thing I think if you follow the Volvo described transmission flush procedure - were you basically flush transmission oil out through the cooler house is a better way to achieve best result faster. In your case mixing the new vs old oil ratio is getting better but not that fast as you would flush as per Volvo manual - through the disconnected cooler line.
I would like to confirm the changes are now super smooth, not quite DSG level but for a 12 year old car with 135k and a rudimentary gearbox it's not far behind. It has completely transformed the way the car drives, definitely a must do service job. Would like to thank Simon for his assistance, great guy. Don't forget your VCX tool either, no point in doing half a job.
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Another very helpful video, don’t think it’s the one I’m after but this is the way I was planning on flushing my xc90s gearbox rather than the oil cooler way. I can’t see a xc90 oil change on your videos but will look out for it
Some XC90 have this gearbox with a similar procedure and some have the AW55-50/51 which is featured in other videos on UA-cam. The car model isn't really relevant so don't worry too much about that.
My 2003 XC90 has the 5 -speed AF33 transmission which has the 24mm hex drain plug. I had to fill it through the dipstick tube and access is a bit better than the fill plug on the TF-80SC. I paid about the same for 5 litres of Comma ATF from Halfords. Euro Car Parts were asking even more for 5 litres of the correct ATF and that was with their discount.
For those just finding this video which is excellent btw. After 2011 you need JWS 3324 NOT 3309! Be sure you get the right oil! For info AW1 is 3324 equivalent. 0:30
Age is irrelevant. If spec is 3309, use only 3309, if spec is 3324, use only 3324. If in *any doubt* , confirm with a main dealer not a UA-cam comments section. 👍🏾😊
@SiRobb Great video Simon, I'm a relatively new XC90 D5 owner and I'm convinced I have a transmission issue. I have watched most of, if not all, of your D5 videos and I think you may be the only guy that can help me. I would love it if you could help me out as I am fairly local to you.
Good video for anybody wanting to get some fresh oil in the box. In Vida, I seem to remember on mine that the oil counter was something to do with counting how many times the box oil went over temperature and would flag up a transmission service light if it reached its threshold? To make my cars gearbox shifts reset it is possible to clear the gearbox memory but not do the full relearn process. This resets the box to what I presume are standard settings and the box learns from that point on. Be interested to learn if simply reseting the oil counter also resets the gearbox in other ways?
The adaption reset function you allude to is mentioned in the video as a kind of "there but not essential" function. It depends on how bad your changes have become. I've read anecdotal accounts of fluid being changed without the counter reset and the full benefits of new fluid not being felt until at least that procedure was done. This suggests that the reset is more than just a counter going to zero. I have no intentions of going through a fluid change process and not resetting the counter to test though. 😊
@@sirobb When I first changed my gearbox oil I didn't have Vida so I didn't reset the oil counter on mine! The gearbox adapted slowly and within a week was much better behaved. I used Mannol oil as well and three years later I think it needs changing again. The oils viscosity is the key issue I believe as if it thins out to much under heating the gearbox wont adapt quickly enough and hard shifts and flares are more common on mine now when hot. Yet another 'I'll do that soon' job!
Just to add, yes there is the adaptations process but you can simply clear the memory without going through the adaptions process, from my awful memory there was an odd button in Vida with something like TS200 on it which has no relevance to anything I could see, pressing tgat virtual button allowed me to clear the memory without going through the adaptions process. Maybe that button is the oil counter reset?
Si i have a 2006 V70 D5 Auto that has never has the ATF changed from the last owner as Volvo said it does not need changing cos they talk about things they don't know as most sales men do. If it has a fluid it needs a change don't matter if it says life time its just a gimick. And the car is now on 162k the ATF has gone black I've read that if is goes black or smells burnt don't change it and others say do change it so i'm a bit stuck on what to do? Any advice would be a grate help Also what is the gearbox counter does that tell you in the in the HUD when the gearbox fluid needs changing?
You may end up with a Transmission Service Required or similar message but I wouldn't wait for that. Change the fluid with repeated drain and fills but you will need Vida software to read the fluid temperature to set the level correctly.
@@sirobb Yeah that won't be a bad shout will get it done asap i know the newer boxes are a lot better then the old one's and have heard they need a fluid change every 60K miles. And as mine has never had one from new and the car has a lot of motorway driving on it the box will not be that bad i think. Thanks for the advice
Great video. What I don't understand is why so much fluid is released when the level plug is first removed? Is the transmission overfilled by the factory and then subsequent fluid changes are set by the level plug or was it overfilled by someone previously?
Great video. Done same few years ago on sd4 Freelander 2 with carlube lv . Just going too drop and fill this time . Did you say 3.2ltr will do it . without checking level thanks
Great video. I've got issues with the 81C variant in my ford S-Max and will do the same fluid flushes. Can I ask if you need to warm the fluid before the first drain and the best way to do so?
How similar or different is the fluid drain/fill process for the Aisin TG-81SC 8-speed transmission found on P3 Volvos? I can't find a tutorial or walk-through specifically for this application. I have a later P3 with 4-cylinder Drive-E engine.
It has but in order to reach it, you need to take the transmission out and split it apart unfortunately. You see - manufacture claimed that these gearboxes are service-free and unbeatable therefore there is no need to do an oil or filter change.. but the life and practice showed the otherwise :( You should change oil regularly if you want to have smooth gear shits but there is nothing you can do about the filter - it is down deep inside unfortunately...
Is it possible to read temerature and find propper level with delphi and autocom(tere is that option) or it must be with vida dice? thank you for your answer
@@srečohedžet-u4i Fluid temperature is accessed in the TCM Transmission Control Module so it's for you to check the specifications of any scanner you intend to use that it can interrogate your TCM.
Good Video, thinkin about doin the same. I've got a XC 60 2013, 2,4l diesel D4. It says in the manual AW 1 Oil. U usin the AW TWS 3309, thats a diffrent code. What exact car Model was yours?? Thanx anyway
Hello Simon, can you help where to get the level nut with screw inside it? as I noticed you have the level nut and inside it another screw. I tried to find it on Amazon but I couldn't. thank you
Very helpful video as always, thank you. Also on the newer XC90's eg 2012 model they have the ECU on top of the airbox, do you know if you can get away with leaving that connected or should that be disconnected when removing the airbox? One comment on the editing, really not keen on the 'blinky' transitions between the video cuts at the start of the video, it confuses my brain into thinking I've blinked and makes the video difficult to watch.
I don't know the exact way to access all of the variants that this gearbox is fitted to but Vida will confirm the steps. You need Vida regardless to do the job properly so always worth having. Point taken on the transitions. Short clips exaggerate the blinking effect so I'll look at future videos.
Hi Simon, I am tempted to do the job after watching your video, whilst doing some homework, a Volvo dealership advised that I have all the fluid pumped out including converter, etc.. This was done using a dialysis type unit. Never heard of this method, so wondered what your thoughts would be on this process many thanks G.
THank you for your video. One question: the very first time when you take out the level plug there are some fluid pouring out (it means that fluid level is above the height of level tube). But after the final drain you pour in new fluid to the level of level tube only. Why so?
The engine is *off* when I remove the level plug to drain the fluid at the beginning. More fluid is settled in the sump so some fluid will leak out. The engine is *running* when I remove the level plug to set the level of the fluid at the end. The fluid is being pumped through the gearbox so doesn't settle and leak out.
My oil is quite new as i had volvo change it 15,000 miles ago, (£250 by the way)but now i see how easy it is to change id like to have a go myself. would i still need to use vida which i dont have, if i only do 1 drop and refill just to keep it fresh ?
Personally, I wouldn't go to the effort of replacing such a small amount infrequently and I wouldn't entertain the job without Vida which is also required for the fluid temp reading to accurately set the level. Assuming the dealer did a thorough job, 15k mile fluid is going to be in good condition so I'd save your money and put it towards a Vida set up.
@@davida6520 A fluid change and reset of the fluid counter and adaptions is more often than not enough to eliminate the gear flaring you describe. If the fluid age and quality cannot be vouched for, start there.
@@sirobb thank you for the information. My Aisin is mounted on a bmw 37.500 miles and as you are probably aware, bmw don't suggest a service until later, regardless of the gearbox manufacturer stating 2 years/20,000km
@@davida6520 You could carefully take a small sample of fluid from the level plug. Just the colour, texture and smell versus new will indicate the general condition of the fluid currently in the gearbox.
Great video, most informal ive come across. My father has a saab with same transmission im told so doing some research. What would this normally cost to get carried out at a garage or specialist? Thanks.
Great video my friend. I go to do this job in mi citroen c5 with the same transmission. I also get the mannol 8218 its avaible in my country. Greetings from Argentina
How I can check the level of oil in the transmission, I have a Susuki vitara , the new model year 2018, with an aisin at6 gearbox, checking bin the web this is the transmission mounted in the model ? Because its sealed and don't have a dipstick like others transmissions..... thanks for the video
3 questions Si...1 - Can you run the car on axle stands while circulating the new fluid or does it need to be on the floor? 2 - Is there a specific torque value for the main drain plug before the final fill? 3 - If I don't have access to DICE/VIDA to reset the counter is it worth doing this procedure?
1. You could have it on axle stands but there is minimal benefit versus the risk doing this. Holding the various gear positions with the front wheels braked is the procedure and there's no need to stray from that. The car needs to be level whether on or off the ground. 2. I can't remember the torque of hand but around 25-30Nm like the oil sump won't get you in trouble. From experience on many cars, fit a brand new seal every time and use common sense when tightening drain bolts. 3. The TCM counts every occasion where the fluid temperature goes above a certain threshold. Once it's gone over that threshold X number of times, a Transmission Service Required message will appear and you may get reduced performance. Resetting the oil counter tells the transmission module that new fluid has been put in and means you won't risk getting service messages for old fluid and performance issues when you've actually got good fluid.
Hi I've recently just done the same on a 2018 x1 bmw can I reset the the fluid change through autel maxi to let the ecu know I've changed the fluid to stop. The harsh ger changes😎
Another great video sirrob, looking at buying a volvo v50 d5 geartronic right now. My jeep wj has bad rust around rear lower arms on chassis so sadly is getting scrapped. Was wondering if these transmissions were any good and how hard to change fluids. I do 99% of my servicing, did transmission fluid change on Jeep GC overland including filter and gasket, new plastic round connector switch too. Jeep was great shifting through the gears after that. Saved pounds on garage prices too. Thanks for this video sirrob. Vinny.
Great clear video, thanks, I have a 2006 v70 d5 auto and I'm doing mine at the weekend, I've just got the exact same oil off Ebay, would those seals be the same for my box?, also I dont have Vida and dont know anyone with it, is it ok to change oil without vida
Hello si , quick question I don’t know if I missed it but did you use the same gearbox oil in the box once you have completed the full flush and fills ? Cheers
Hello, I have the same transmission in my Volvo V70 2012 R design 215hp, is there also a transmission filter that needs to be replaced? If yes where is the location of it? I hope I get an answer 🤞🤞
The gearbox is designed to be "Lifetime" without frequently serviceable filter. There is a filter, but is deep inside the gearbox.. If you want to replace it you have to disassemble the gearbox 😀
Hi great videos i just wanted to know what goes wrong if you don't have the scan tool to reset the transmission because i dont have one and i don't know anyone who does my gears run smoothly at least l think they do .
Not resetting using software may be ok but it depends on the individual use of the car/gearbox. The reset tells the TCM that fresh fluid is in the system and depending on each use case, that is an essential syep or just optional.
@@sirobb thanks Simon I've dropped the oil once up to now a few weeks back and all seems fine and I'm going to do it 2 more times soon and hopefully I might find some one with the right scanner if I do I will tell you if it feels better shifting
A battery disconnect won't do anything. Other tools are available, they just have to be able to communicate with the Transmission Control Module so check the specs with the seller.
I have a 2004 V70 D5 with nearly 310.000 miles on it, and the autobox still works reasonably well given the mileage and age... but the 2 to 3 shift is not always smooth, and sometimes the 3 to 4 shift has a noticeable delay. If I happen to press the accelerator right at the moment it has decided to shift back from 3 to 2 it might shift with a very unpleasant bang. Very rarely reverse engages harshly. I changed the fluid around the 210.000 mile mark, a few months after I bought it. I drained the fluid and put about 3.5 liters back in, drove about 600 miles, and repeated that twice for a total of three drains. What probably helps longevity is that this car is only used for daily commutes to work which is about 60 miles of highway driving, and I don't abuse it.
Jeroen74 thanks for your reply that’s reassuring that it’s still going reasonably well at over 300k. I have an s60 and I love it but there’s very little legroom in the back for my 3 growing kids. I have been looking at xc90s for the extra space which seem to mostly have the geartronic box hence my query.
@@Jeroen74 I have a 2005 d5 xc90 which had similar symptoms. 230k miles. I had a gearbox software update perform at Volvo for £60. And it’s resolved the harsh gear changes and runs smoother.
Hello, my name is Carlos, I'm Spanish and I have an opel insignia on that same gearbox but from 2015. I want to carry out maintenance but I can't find anything in opel, I already have ravenol oil. just ask if the final level applies to all gearboxes even if it is not from volvo ?. Thanks a lot
If you have the same gearbox, the procedure will be similar but Vida will confirm. I sell the VCX tool shown in the video which comes with a Vida virtual machine for £100 delivered to the UK. You will need a 64bit laptop capable of running a virtual machine.
This also applies to the Mazda CX-9. I changed mine at 75K miles and it looked like dirty motor oil and the transmission was shifting badly. I ran thru 12qts of Mobile One 3309 fluid and it shifts like new now.
Nice Video. This Transmission is also used in the new Generation of BMW X1 and other models. We have such an BMW X1 and I want to Change the Fluid and Filter. I saw no Filter Cap, but at the front side (left) was an Cap with an snap ring. I think underneath this cap is an extra Filter. Have you changed this one too or only the fluid? In the original BMW Manuals are no work orders for an Service like this and no aftermarket Filter part number. Only Transmission Fluid level check... Maybe you know something more from the Volvos?! Sorry for my "not so good english" 😁😆
Hello! Many thanks! for this valuable Video. I have a Volvo s60 Diesel. D3 Year model 2018. Automatic Gearbox. It's called the TF-71SC. Do you do the same way as you do in this Video, when you change the gearbox oil on my car? Thanks! From Tommy Bertilsson from Sweden
I bought this one. Worth double checking to make sure it's the right oil for your gearbox. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10L-MANNOL-ATF-Multivehicle-Automatic-Transmission-Fluid-JWS-3309-FORD-Mercon-V/303081766587?epid=15042862015&hash=item469114bebb:g:OGIAAOSwdUtdDIS9
That was excellent and very informative , it's a job I intend on doing but now that at the end I didn't realise you need to reset via computer , where do I get one of them?
I sell new, tested and guaranteed working Dice for £135 delivered in the UK. It includes the Vida software which will work on Volvo model years from 1999 up to 2015.
@@sirobb it looks impressive, but I see someone comment that if you replace exact amount back you don't require Vida, but funds are prioritised for 10 ltr of mannol, the 17mm hex and Volvo crush washers . If I start getting codes then I will be keen to purchase one but so far been lucky
@@passionplanet4471 You need Vida to set the level at the correct temperature due to heat expansion and you need to reset the counter to tell the car new fluid has been introduced. If it wasn't necessary, I wouldn't have done it or suggested it. There's a lot of ways to shortcut and do the job incompletely but only one way to do it right.
I've a tf81sc ford galaxy 2009 ,I've been given a new filter to fit but it doesn't look like it has a filter ?? It's a black cartridge filter in a new plastic housing like an external filter ??
This is the Powershift gearbox not the geartronic! powershifts are on Galaxy, Kuga and late volvo's! There is a filter on the Powershift to change but not on the AISEN.
@@sirobb thank you yes I’m aware the method is alittle different and it does appear to be the same oil so thank you for that :-) are you still selling the Vida & dice setup atall? Your video appears to of vanished lol
@@chrisworrall3581 Yes, New, tested and guaranteed working Dice and Vida available. £135 delivered in the UK. I took down the video as I don't really need to advertise it and it attracted too many requests to fix installations bought elsewhere. Lol I'll gladly sort out anyone who buys from me but I don't have time to troubleshoot and be customer service for the other crap sellers out there. 😊
@@sirobb aww I don’t blame you one but mate that’s the last thing you need to be doing :-) your vids are great and make things very clear :-) I’ll be in touch in a couple weeks when paid if that’s on been meaning to get one for a while :-) do I just make the payment to your PayPal ?
No problem. Yes that's right, just send the payment via PayPal gift/friends and family only please *(not goods and services)* to the PayPal in the video description and About section of the channel. Put your name and address in the PayPal payment notes section and I'll sort it out. 👍🏾
Hi mate, My car is 2007peugeot 307 2.0Hdi with the same transmission i believe. Does the TCM need to be reset as well？ Because i Just done my fluid change, it does become smoother but not that smoooooth.
You would need to follow whatever the procedure is in the official Peugeot workshop manual. I don't have access to that so can't confirm either way unfortunately.
Excellent video Simon, as usual. Can I ask if having the engine running on the final oil level drain was the instruction within Vida ? Cheers Dave aka '37Ruby' on the VOC forum
Correct in my opinion: Engine running and in "drive" the correct level is when the fluid is being circulated. With the engine stopped; The fluid will raise the level, as it drains back. So using the dipstick or the "Level Plug" will remove the essential fluid....it will be short on re-start.
How about this mannol oil? Maybe have some expierence with that? Because im thinking of buying liqui moly top tec 1200 but its twice more expensive and thinking if its worth it.
There seemed to be a lot of fluid draining out when you first removed the level plug. Is this normal since at the correct level no fluid would be draining out?
@Sirobb Great video as always. Im sorry Simon but after 8 years of great service I have finally succumbed to temptation and bought a lovely 69k 2012 P3 D5 R Design. I know I may get a lot of hate for this, after all some consider this a downgrade. It certainly has big shoes to fill. After performing the 'Gibbons method' on my P2 D5 a couple of times im more than happy to do this drain and fill method on my new P3. Would you be kind enough to clarify a point of confusion for me please. I am a little unsure as to whether the TF80SC takes JWS 3309 fluid. I realise you are using it happily in this demonstration, however I have heard that it takes AW1 or something ive never heard of BOT 341 (says in owners manual). Any advice appreciated. Thanks for your time and trouble Simon.
There's definitely a revision to the recommended fluid around 2011 model year so I would check with the main dealer or a good aftermarket supplier like opieoils. I've never needed to source the newer fluid and didn't need to check for the car in this video as it's way before the changeover.
@@sirobb and yes I think there was something like a gen 2 TF80SC which takes a JWS 3 something something something. I always pick an awkward year on my cars!
Given that the gearbox is so similar, there's a part of me that wonders just how different any new fluid spec might be but I can't hand on heart say to use something if it's not listed in the handbook. A Euro 3 D5 for example is probably 95% the same physically as a Euro 4 D5 but they do use different oil specs. Check every listed spec conformity number on your JWS3309 barrel though as you may find a number which still matches the new requirements for the >2011 gearbox.
Thanks Simon for another great video! With these boxes being "sealed for life" and the car in your video already being at 135k, (it should have had maybe 3 changes already at that mileage, no one knows) but was still functioning acceptably. What would be a reasonable interval to do changes at? and have you ever changed the ATF and then experienced wet clutch slippage due to the "less grippy" new fluid?
I'd change it routinely every 40-50k miles if the car has normal use. I've never encountered problems using new fluid. Some do less dramatic changes so just one drain and fill every couple of years or so.
I haven't I'm afraid. My preference is always to refresh the fluid and allow the natural cleaning properties to do their job. Standard maintenance is often enough.
Has to be worth taking a sample of the fluid from the level plug. If it's brown and smells burnt definitely change it. It's also worth checking with your main dealer if there are any software updates outstanding. Perhaps even do that first.
Fluids are very difrrent in specs. My concklusion was that the most important thing is that fluid is not too high when cold and not too low when hot, among other things such as vi..... And i find that in the specs is best of all(inclouding volvo oem) is MPM hfm fluid, from holland i think, so, have you any experience with that oil, or have you heard something about it. I will say that mannol is very good, i used it for flusch, beter than many expencive oils. Thank You for answering
not sure if you have ever watched Scotty. But he and many other mechanics never suggest buying so called " compatible " fluid for transmissions. Only dealer. Especially for honda's as they have very sensitive transmissions. And also that is one of the reasons the manufacturer's say do not change the fluid "sealed" :D
Thousands of people use the Mannol fluid without a problem and everyone can choose which is best for them. I ignore most of what Scotty Kilmer says and does. 😊
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Thank you. The best video on the TF-80SC. No one else is mentioning resetting the gearbox counter..
Volvosweden also did a great video, Both extremely helpful
Fab video mate, i had the gear box oil changed by a special automatic box mechanic about a year ago charged me £35, and I supplied the oil did not notice any improvement in fact it was the same as when I put it in with him, went to see him about 3 weeks ago about changing the solenoids in the box he said 8 new solenoids plus new oil £480 all in ,the car is a good but not worth doing at that price ,so after looking on UA-cam was going to have a go on changing the solenoids my self after all been in the motor trade 55 years doing repairs etc 68 now and still loves a challenge . Then came across your video about the oil needing to be flushed 3 times to get most of the crap oil out only done 84 k ,what have i got to lose bought the oil and flushed her out 3 times each time start up and engaging the gears ,it would not go above third but done all the other gears about 5 times in and out ,on the first drain there was exactly just under 3 litres of black oil made sure the measurement was spot on so just put in on the last refill just under 3 litres of new dextro 6 best oil the exact same as the first drain off ,refitted everything back on to the car then out on the first run with in 50 metres the car was in fort gear smooth as silk never been as good haven't done a long trip, but you can just feel the difference not like when the mechanic supposed to have changed the oil starting to think he did not do the job just kept my oil and money , this time you definitely could feel the improvement the mechanic will not be having £480 of me giving her good run on Friday let you know thanks again by the way trying to buy a lexia to be able to reset the gearbox oil counter Peugeot 407 coupe v6 2.7
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17mil hex, exactly same as a wheel nut on one of my wheels. remove wheel nut, nut head goes into the gearbox draim plug and it gives just enough space to also fit a wrench! great
A very useful and well-explained video, thank you. I'm in my 70's and not too keen on crawling under cars anymore so looks like I'll have to entrust this work to a garage. I also don't have VIDA.
Cheers simon. Just bought a p3 after 9 years of p2
Thanks for the tip with the mannol fluid. I have flushed my gearbox twice already and on Volvo original fluid from dealer's store. The price was more than 3x the one for mannol so its a lot cheaper
Yes Indeed Pav W...... 32 quid for 10 litres....wow! Cost me damn near 100 quid to drain/flush last year. Cheers!
Thank you for the video. It was useful. The original O ring seals and bushings are dramatically expensive. I think that is overpriced thing as it it so simple material and millions of other hydraulic equipment use similar parts but the price is 1 or 2 pounds for a bushing which is the right price to be (in my opinion). Another thing I think if you follow the Volvo described transmission flush procedure - were you basically flush transmission oil out through the cooler house is a better way to achieve best result faster. In your case mixing the new vs old oil ratio is getting better but not that fast as you would flush as per Volvo manual - through the disconnected cooler line.
Glad to see you have a newer Volvo too play with. Great video yet again.
Excellent job. Thanks. This should be exactly what I need.
Good and clear video 👍 spoke with JC and he reckons the shift is silky smooth now.
Just like his hair. 😊
SiRobb , hahaha, i will let JC know tomorrow 😂😂😂😂
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@@sirobb Ohhhhh that stings....... 😂
I would like to confirm the changes are now super smooth, not quite DSG level but for a 12 year old car with 135k and a rudimentary gearbox it's not far behind. It has completely transformed the way the car drives, definitely a must do service job. Would like to thank Simon for his assistance, great guy. Don't forget your VCX tool either, no point in doing half a job.
Have to say: SiRobb.... You have far more patience than I!
I have just waded through 98% of the comments below.....Dear-oh-dear. Your Sainthood is in the post!
Another very helpful video, don’t think it’s the one I’m after but this is the way I was planning on flushing my xc90s gearbox rather than the oil cooler way. I can’t see a xc90 oil change on your videos but will look out for it
Some XC90 have this gearbox with a similar procedure and some have the AW55-50/51 which is featured in other videos on UA-cam.
The car model isn't really relevant so don't worry too much about that.
My 2003 XC90 has the 5 -speed AF33 transmission which has the 24mm hex drain plug. I had to fill it through the dipstick tube and access is a bit better than the fill plug on the TF-80SC. I paid about the same for 5 litres of Comma ATF from Halfords. Euro Car Parts were asking even more for 5 litres of the correct ATF and that was with their discount.
For those just finding this video which is excellent btw.
After 2011 you need JWS 3324 NOT 3309!
Be sure you get the right oil!
For info AW1 is 3324 equivalent.
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But you can pour in 3324 into older, before 2011, gear box, right?
Age is irrelevant. If spec is 3309, use only 3309, if spec is 3324, use only 3324. If in *any doubt* , confirm with a main dealer not a UA-cam comments section. 👍🏾😊
@@sirobb Thank you for the answer, you are correct!
@SiRobb Great video Simon, I'm a relatively new XC90 D5 owner and I'm convinced I have a transmission issue. I have watched most of, if not all, of your D5 videos and I think you may be the only guy that can help me. I would love it if you could help me out as I am fairly local to you.
Excelente trabajo ...muy bien explicado . Agradecido
Good video for anybody wanting to get some fresh oil in the box.
In Vida, I seem to remember on mine that the oil counter was something to do with counting how many times the box oil went over temperature and would flag up a transmission service light if it reached its threshold? To make my cars gearbox shifts reset it is possible to clear the gearbox memory but not do the full relearn process. This resets the box to what I presume are standard settings and the box learns from that point on.
Be interested to learn if simply reseting the oil counter also resets the gearbox in other ways?
The adaption reset function you allude to is mentioned in the video as a kind of "there but not essential" function.
It depends on how bad your changes have become.
I've read anecdotal accounts of fluid being changed without the counter reset and the full benefits of new fluid not being felt until at least that procedure was done.
This suggests that the reset is more than just a counter going to zero.
I have no intentions of going through a fluid change process and not resetting the counter to test though. 😊
@@sirobb When I first changed my gearbox oil I didn't have Vida so I didn't reset the oil counter on mine! The gearbox adapted slowly and within a week was much better behaved.
I used Mannol oil as well and three years later I think it needs changing again. The oils viscosity is the key issue I believe as if it thins out to much under heating the gearbox wont adapt quickly enough and hard shifts and flares are more common on mine now when hot. Yet another 'I'll do that soon' job!
Just to add, yes there is the adaptations process but you can simply clear the memory without going through the adaptions process, from my awful memory there was an odd button in Vida with something like TS200 on it which has no relevance to anything I could see, pressing tgat virtual button allowed me to clear the memory without going through the adaptions process. Maybe that button is the oil counter reset?
Yes those jobs do mount up quickly. 😊
I hope you get time soon.
No need to rely on your memory.
The various TCM Advanced functions are shown in the video.
Job well done and well explained. Thank you.
Hello Sirobb, great tutorial. could u pls share the link of the manual shown in the video pls? thanks
Very good job video , just fantastic
Very well explained. Thanks to you
Si i have a 2006 V70 D5 Auto that has never has the ATF changed from the last owner as Volvo said it does not need changing cos they talk about things they don't know as most sales men do. If it has a fluid it needs a change don't matter if it says life time its just a gimick. And the car is now on 162k the ATF has gone black I've read that if is goes black or smells burnt don't change it and others say do change it so i'm a bit stuck on what to do? Any advice would be a grate help Also what is the gearbox counter does that tell you in the in the HUD when the gearbox fluid needs changing?
You may end up with a Transmission Service Required or similar message but I wouldn't wait for that.
Change the fluid with repeated drain and fills but you will need Vida software to read the fluid temperature to set the level correctly.
@@sirobb Yeah that won't be a bad shout will get it done asap i know the newer boxes are a lot better then the old one's and have heard they need a fluid change every 60K miles. And as mine has never had one from new and the car has a lot of motorway driving on it the box will not be that bad i think. Thanks for the advice
Great video. What I don't understand is why so much fluid is released when the level plug is first removed? Is the transmission overfilled by the factory and then subsequent fluid changes are set by the level plug or was it overfilled by someone previously?
@@urbansoundscapes7734 Answered in the comments. 👍🏾
THANKS SIROB
Great video. Done same few years ago on sd4 Freelander 2 with carlube lv . Just going too drop and fill this time . Did you say 3.2ltr will do it . without checking level thanks
Great video. I've got issues with the 81C variant in my ford S-Max and will do the same fluid flushes.
Can I ask if you need to warm the fluid before the first drain and the best way to do so?
I always try to have the fluid as warm as I can so I plan the drain for after taking the car for a run out.
@@sirobb brill, appreciate that
How similar or different is the fluid drain/fill process for the Aisin TG-81SC 8-speed transmission found on P3 Volvos? I can't find a tutorial or walk-through specifically for this application. I have a later P3 with 4-cylinder Drive-E engine.
Thank you for a great video! Do you happen to know if TF-82sc has the same process when changing fluids?
Hi there, just wondering is this transmission has the filter to replace?
It has but in order to reach it, you need to take the transmission out and split it apart unfortunately. You see - manufacture claimed that these gearboxes are service-free and unbeatable therefore there is no need to do an oil or filter change.. but the life and practice showed the otherwise :( You should change oil regularly if you want to have smooth gear shits but there is nothing you can do about the filter - it is down deep inside unfortunately...
Is it possible to read temerature and find propper level with delphi and autocom(tere is that option) or it must be with vida dice?
thank you for your answer
@@srečohedžet-u4i Fluid temperature is accessed in the TCM Transmission Control Module so it's for you to check the specifications of any scanner you intend to use that it can interrogate your TCM.
Super good video, thanks.
Good Video,
thinkin about doin the same. I've got a XC 60 2013, 2,4l diesel D4. It says in the manual AW 1 Oil. U usin the AW TWS 3309, thats a diffrent code. What exact car Model was yours?? Thanx anyway
AW1 es EURO 5. Y 3309 es EURO 4. Si en el tapón dice AW1 hay que utilizar ese.
Hello Simon,
can you help where to get the level nut with screw inside it? as I noticed you have the level nut and inside it another screw. I tried to find it on Amazon but I couldn't.
thank you
Volvo main dealer or Volvo breakers yard.
very good video
Very helpful video as always, thank you.
Also on the newer XC90's eg 2012 model they have the ECU on top of the airbox, do you know if you can get away with leaving that connected or should that be disconnected when removing the airbox?
One comment on the editing, really not keen on the 'blinky' transitions between the video cuts at the start of the video, it confuses my brain into thinking I've blinked and makes the video difficult to watch.
I don't know the exact way to access all of the variants that this gearbox is fitted to but Vida will confirm the steps.
You need Vida regardless to do the job properly so always worth having.
Point taken on the transitions. Short clips exaggerate the blinking effect so I'll look at future videos.
@@sirobb Thank you!
Perhaps next you could make a video on how to change the bevel box oil in an XC90?
I don't have an XC90 needing it but the UA-cam channel volvosweden has some AWD maintenence videos.
Done on a P3 but you get the general idea.
@@sirobb Thanks, I had already watched his videos but the drain/fill bolt isn't in the same location on my friend's 2012 XC90 that I work on.
I see. Get Vida..... I can't recommend it highly enough for anyone doing their own work. Even for my 2002 S60, I wouldn't be without it.
Hi Simon, I am tempted to do the job after watching your video, whilst doing some homework, a Volvo dealership advised that I have all the fluid pumped out including converter, etc.. This was done using a dialysis type unit. Never heard of this method, so wondered what your thoughts would be on this process many thanks G.
THank you for your video. One question: the very first time when you take out the level plug there are some fluid pouring out (it means that fluid level is above the height of level tube). But after the final drain you pour in new fluid to the level of level tube only. Why so?
The engine is *off* when I remove the level plug to drain the fluid at the beginning.
More fluid is settled in the sump so some fluid will leak out.
The engine is *running* when I remove the level plug to set the level of the fluid at the end.
The fluid is being pumped through the gearbox so doesn't settle and leak out.
@@sirobb Hello mate are you still selling the dice/Vida kit? Got a v70 and need a diagnostic for it shortly
My oil is quite new as i had volvo change it 15,000 miles ago, (£250 by the way)but now i see how easy it is to change id like to have a go myself. would i still need to use vida which i dont have, if i only do 1 drop and refill just to keep it fresh ?
Personally, I wouldn't go to the effort of replacing such a small amount infrequently and I wouldn't entertain the job without Vida which is also required for the fluid temp reading to accurately set the level.
Assuming the dealer did a thorough job, 15k mile fluid is going to be in good condition so I'd save your money and put it towards a Vida set up.
Nice one sirobb.
Nice job
Excellent video. Do you think an oil change may resolve gear snatching between 3&4?
@@davida6520 A fluid change and reset of the fluid counter and adaptions is more often than not enough to eliminate the gear flaring you describe.
If the fluid age and quality cannot be vouched for, start there.
@@sirobb thank you for the information. My Aisin is mounted on a bmw 37.500 miles and as you are probably aware, bmw don't suggest a service until later, regardless of the gearbox manufacturer stating 2 years/20,000km
@@davida6520 You could carefully take a small sample of fluid from the level plug. Just the colour, texture and smell versus new will indicate the general condition of the fluid currently in the gearbox.
Great video, most informal ive come across. My father has a saab with same transmission im told so doing some research.
What would this normally cost to get carried out at a garage or specialist? Thanks.
Probably anywhere from £150-300 depending on the garage, the amount of fluid changed and the method used.
@@sirobb thanks very much.
Great video my friend. I go to do this job in mi citroen c5 with the same transmission. I also get the mannol 8218 its avaible in my country. Greetings from Argentina
SiRobb - very good , clear and helpfulvideo.Thanks. Do you have a link for the Dice you sellplease?
How I can check the level of oil in the transmission, I have a Susuki vitara , the new model year 2018, with an aisin at6 gearbox, checking bin the web this is the transmission mounted in the model ? Because its sealed and don't have a dipstick like others transmissions..... thanks for the video
3 questions Si...1 - Can you run the car on axle stands while circulating the new fluid or does it need to be on the floor? 2 - Is there a specific torque value for the main drain plug before the final fill? 3 - If I don't have access to DICE/VIDA to reset the counter is it worth doing this procedure?
1. You could have it on axle stands but there is minimal benefit versus the risk doing this.
Holding the various gear positions with the front wheels braked is the procedure and there's no need to stray from that.
The car needs to be level whether on or off the ground.
2. I can't remember the torque of hand but around 25-30Nm like the oil sump won't get you in trouble.
From experience on many cars, fit a brand new seal every time and use common sense when tightening drain bolts.
3. The TCM counts every occasion where the fluid temperature goes above a certain threshold.
Once it's gone over that threshold X number of times, a Transmission Service Required message will appear and you may get reduced performance.
Resetting the oil counter tells the transmission module that new fluid has been put in and means you won't risk getting service messages for old fluid and performance issues when you've actually got good fluid.
Great video, thanks
I ordered a seal kit and it came with two of the tiny o rings. Is that just a spare or do I need to look out for a place to put the second one ?
Hi I've recently just done the same on a 2018 x1 bmw can I reset the the fluid change through autel maxi to let the ecu know I've changed the fluid to stop. The harsh ger changes😎
Another great video sirrob, looking at buying a volvo v50 d5 geartronic right now. My jeep wj has bad rust around rear lower arms on chassis so sadly is getting scrapped. Was wondering if these transmissions were any good and how hard to change fluids. I do 99% of my servicing, did transmission fluid change on Jeep GC overland including filter and gasket, new plastic round connector switch too. Jeep was great shifting through the gears after that. Saved pounds on garage prices too. Thanks for this video sirrob. Vinny.
Great clear video, thanks, I have a 2006 v70 d5 auto and I'm doing mine at the weekend, I've just got the exact same oil off Ebay, would those seals be the same for my box?, also I dont have Vida and dont know anyone with it, is it ok to change oil without vida
You can do it without VIDA, but it's important that you add exactly the same amount of fluid that you drained out per flush.
@SiRobb are you still selling the dice kit with software at all? Recently bought a v70 and need a good diagnostic for it
Is there not a final fill? Thought there was a mm amount to add at then dependant on temperature, I’m sure at 60 degrees you add 1 litre
Maybe you're thinking of a different gearbox. The procedure is correct in this video for this particular model.
Ciao. Che software hai usato per il reset del contatore del cambio?
Volvo Vida
And although the software name, is it special Volvo one or some other brand? Just have an old one and want to get a new one.
Does this gearbox have a filter at all?
Have a filter inside. Replace when you rebuilid a gearbox .
hello to you, I want to drain the eat8 automatic gearbox on an aircross c5 but on my diagbox I am not resetting the oil, how to do it?
Hello si , quick question I don’t know if I missed it but did you use the same gearbox oil in the box once you have completed the full flush and fills ? Cheers
very educative. thank you. regards
Hello, I have the same transmission in my Volvo V70 2012 R design 215hp, is there also a transmission filter that needs to be replaced? If yes where is the location of it?
I hope I get an answer 🤞🤞
The gearbox is designed to be "Lifetime" without frequently serviceable filter. There is a filter, but is deep inside the gearbox.. If you want to replace it you have to disassemble the gearbox 😀
Hi great videos i just wanted to know what goes wrong if you don't have the scan tool to reset the transmission because i dont have one and i don't know anyone who does my gears run smoothly at least l think they do .
Not resetting using software may be ok but it depends on the individual use of the car/gearbox.
The reset tells the TCM that fresh fluid is in the system and depending on each use case, that is an essential syep or just optional.
@@sirobb thanks Simon I've dropped the oil once up to now a few weeks back and all seems fine and I'm going to do it 2 more times soon and hopefully I might find some one with the right scanner if I do I will tell you if it feels better shifting
It's possible to do it correctly without vida dice? Perhaps gearbox will be reset after battery unplug for a half hour?
A battery disconnect won't do anything. Other tools are available, they just have to be able to communicate with the Transmission Control Module so check the specs with the seller.
Thanks for the video. How do you rate the reliability of the older Volvo autoboxes?
I have a 2004 V70 D5 with nearly 310.000 miles on it, and the autobox still works reasonably well given the mileage and age... but the 2 to 3 shift is not always smooth, and sometimes the 3 to 4 shift has a noticeable delay. If I happen to press the accelerator right at the moment it has decided to shift back from 3 to 2 it might shift with a very unpleasant bang. Very rarely reverse engages harshly.
I changed the fluid around the 210.000 mile mark, a few months after I bought it. I drained the fluid and put about 3.5 liters back in, drove about 600 miles, and repeated that twice for a total of three drains.
What probably helps longevity is that this car is only used for daily commutes to work which is about 60 miles of highway driving, and I don't abuse it.
catch it early and itll last
Jeroen74 thanks for your reply that’s reassuring that it’s still going reasonably well at over 300k. I have an s60 and I love it but there’s very little legroom in the back for my 3 growing kids. I have been looking at xc90s for the extra space which seem to mostly have the geartronic box hence my query.
@@Jeroen74 I have a 2005 d5 xc90 which had similar symptoms. 230k miles. I had a gearbox software update perform at Volvo for £60. And it’s resolved the harsh gear changes and runs smoother.
Hello, my name is Carlos, I'm Spanish and I have an opel insignia on that same gearbox but from 2015. I want to carry out maintenance but I can't find anything in opel, I already have ravenol oil. just ask if the final level applies to all gearboxes even if it is not from volvo ?. Thanks a lot
I don't know so you will need to check the owner's manual and workshop manual for your exact car.
Final level applies to all brands with same gearbox number, please remeber to check oil level with engine on.
Hi Simon would this be the same procedure for a volvo xc70 2009 and i can do it but need the vida software and where do i get this from ?
Cheers.
If you have the same gearbox, the procedure will be similar but Vida will confirm.
I sell the VCX tool shown in the video which comes with a Vida virtual machine for £100 delivered to the UK.
You will need a 64bit laptop capable of running a virtual machine.
This also applies to the Mazda CX-9. I changed mine at 75K miles and it looked like dirty motor oil and the transmission was shifting badly. I ran thru 12qts of Mobile One 3309 fluid and it shifts like new now.
Nice Video.
This Transmission is also used in the new Generation of BMW X1 and other models.
We have such an BMW X1 and I want to Change the Fluid and Filter.
I saw no Filter Cap, but at the front side (left) was an Cap with an snap ring. I think underneath this cap is an extra Filter.
Have you changed this one too or only the fluid?
In the original BMW Manuals are no work orders for an Service like this and no aftermarket Filter part number.
Only Transmission Fluid level check...
Maybe you know something more from the Volvos?!
Sorry for my "not so good english" 😁😆
The filter is not changeable without opening the gearbox.
You could insert an in line filter on one of the fluid cooler hoses.
@@sirobb Okay, thank you for this information 😊👍
Merci, bonne vidéo !
Hi SiRobb, Excuse my ignorance but you keep refering to VIDA in the comments? Could you explain what that is? Cheers John
Have you watched the video?
Hello! Many thanks! for this valuable Video. I have a Volvo s60 Diesel. D3 Year model 2018. Automatic Gearbox. It's called the TF-71SC. Do you do the same way as you do in this Video, when you change the gearbox oil on my car? Thanks! From Tommy Bertilsson from Sweden
I don't have the workshop manual for that gearbox so you'll need to ask someone with experience of working on it.
Sorry.
what is this page with these repair instructions?
Google Volvo Vida 2014d
Do you leave it in N or P for the last final drain with the level Plug?
P
@@sirobb Thank you. Do you think the procedure applies to the TF-80SD as well?
@@christianbdk503 I have no idea. Sorry.
@@sirobb All good, thanks. I will perform it on the 80SD and report here.
Nice video! If the title mentions Volvo, it might attract more viewers cause not everyone will know the transmission’s model that well...like me
Unfortunately if I mention every manufacturer this gearbox is relevant to, the title would be ridiculously long.
Jaki to program doagnostyczny którym resetowałeś skrzynię?
VIDA
What is the filling temperature, is it any filter? Thx
Whats the part no or link for drain plug and o-ring ?
Hey are you have a link about gearbox oil thanks ?
I bought this one. Worth double checking to make sure it's the right oil for your gearbox. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10L-MANNOL-ATF-Multivehicle-Automatic-Transmission-Fluid-JWS-3309-FORD-Mercon-V/303081766587?epid=15042862015&hash=item469114bebb:g:OGIAAOSwdUtdDIS9
Did yours ever clunk when selecting either Drive or reverse? Did the flush help?
Yes and yes. 👍
@@sirobb That's good news. Getting mine flushed tomorrow.
That was excellent and very informative , it's a job I intend on doing but now that at the end I didn't realise you need to reset via computer , where do I get one of them?
I sell new, tested and guaranteed working Dice for £135 delivered in the UK. It includes the Vida software which will work on Volvo model years from 1999 up to 2015.
@@sirobb how do you view the information from Vida dice? I'm assuming via laptop USB?
@@passionplanet4471 Yes that's right as shown in the video.
@@sirobb it looks impressive, but I see someone comment that if you replace exact amount back you don't require Vida, but funds are prioritised for 10 ltr of mannol, the 17mm hex and Volvo crush washers . If I start getting codes then I will be keen to purchase one but so far been lucky
@@passionplanet4471 You need Vida to set the level at the correct temperature due to heat expansion and you need to reset the counter to tell the car new fluid has been introduced. If it wasn't necessary, I wouldn't have done it or suggested it.
There's a lot of ways to shortcut and do the job incompletely but only one way to do it right.
I've a tf81sc ford galaxy 2009 ,I've been given a new filter to fit but it doesn't look like it has a filter ?? It's a black cartridge filter in a new plastic housing like an external filter ??
I don't know.
Have you asked whoever gave you the filter?
@@sirobb did you open up box and clean screen filter ?
No and I don't know of anyone who has.
Everything that was done is in this video.
This is the Powershift gearbox not the geartronic! powershifts are on Galaxy, Kuga and late volvo's! There is a filter on the Powershift to change but not on the AISEN.
Hi Simon, fab video as always, I need to do mine which oil would be best it’s a 2004 xc90 auto aw55-51 box ?
Most likely the same JWS3309 as in this video but check.
The method is also different so research videos for your exact gearbox.
@@sirobb thank you yes I’m aware the method is alittle different and it does appear to be the same oil so thank you for that :-) are you still selling the Vida & dice setup atall? Your video appears to of vanished lol
@@chrisworrall3581 Yes, New, tested and guaranteed working Dice and Vida available. £135 delivered in the UK.
I took down the video as I don't really need to advertise it and it attracted too many requests to fix installations bought elsewhere. Lol
I'll gladly sort out anyone who buys from me but I don't have time to troubleshoot and be customer service for the other crap sellers out there. 😊
@@sirobb aww I don’t blame you one but mate that’s the last thing you need to be doing :-) your vids are great and make things very clear :-) I’ll be in touch in a couple weeks when paid if that’s on been meaning to get one for a while :-) do I just make the payment to your PayPal ?
No problem.
Yes that's right, just send the payment via PayPal gift/friends and family only please *(not goods and services)* to the PayPal in the video description and About section of the channel.
Put your name and address in the PayPal payment notes section and I'll sort it out. 👍🏾
Does this model have a filter?
If it does, it isn't serviceable with routine maintenance.
What capacity (in litres) have this gearbox? Thanks
7 litres
Hi mate,
My car is 2007peugeot 307 2.0Hdi with the same transmission i believe.
Does the TCM need to be reset as well？
Because i Just done my fluid change, it does become smoother but not that smoooooth.
You would need to follow whatever the procedure is in the official Peugeot workshop manual. I don't have access to that so can't confirm either way unfortunately.
Excellent video Simon, as usual.
Can I ask if having the engine running on the final oil level drain was the instruction within Vida ?
Cheers
Dave aka '37Ruby' on the VOC forum
if you don't leave the engine running you'll dump way more fluid than necessary...
Hi Dave. Yes that's the Vida method and it applies to others too but you can always check your exact car procedure in Vida for confirmation.
Correct in my opinion: Engine running and in "drive" the correct level is when the fluid is being circulated.
With the engine stopped; The fluid will raise the level, as it drains back.
So using the dipstick or the "Level Plug" will remove the essential fluid....it will be short on re-start.
How about this mannol oil? Maybe have some expierence with that? Because im thinking of buying liqui moly top tec 1200 but its twice more expensive and thinking if its worth it.
I have heard from many people who have used the Mannol fluid with great results long term.
@@sirobb это масло заливали а коробку?
There seemed to be a lot of fluid draining out when you first removed the level plug. Is this normal since at the correct level no fluid would be draining out?
There's more fluid compared to the final level draining because the engine is off.
@@sirobb Thanks. Thinking about it after I’d posted I realised that must be the case! Doh!
@@simonjohnston1053 No problem. It can seem a little counter intuitive at first.
@Sirobb Great video as always. Im sorry Simon but after 8 years of great service I have finally succumbed to temptation and bought a lovely 69k 2012 P3 D5 R Design. I know I may get a lot of hate for this, after all some consider this a downgrade. It certainly has big shoes to fill. After performing the 'Gibbons method' on my P2 D5 a couple of times im more than happy to do this drain and fill method on my new P3.
Would you be kind enough to clarify a point of confusion for me please. I am a little unsure as to whether the TF80SC takes JWS 3309 fluid. I realise you are using it happily in this demonstration, however I have heard that it takes AW1 or something ive never heard of BOT 341 (says in owners manual). Any advice appreciated. Thanks for your time and trouble Simon.
There's definitely a revision to the recommended fluid around 2011 model year so I would check with the main dealer or a good aftermarket supplier like opieoils.
I've never needed to source the newer fluid and didn't need to check for the car in this video as it's way before the changeover.
@@sirobb Thank you for the reply, very much appreciated. I will look into it. Its a shame as I have a 20l drum of JWS 3309!
@@sirobb and yes I think there was something like a gen 2 TF80SC which takes a JWS 3 something something something. I always pick an awkward year on my cars!
Given that the gearbox is so similar, there's a part of me that wonders just how different any new fluid spec might be but I can't hand on heart say to use something if it's not listed in the handbook.
A Euro 3 D5 for example is probably 95% the same physically as a Euro 4 D5 but they do use different oil specs.
Check every listed spec conformity number on your JWS3309 barrel though as you may find a number which still matches the new requirements for the >2011 gearbox.
@@sirobb You are a gentleman and a scholar. I'll have a look.
Thanks Simon for another great video! With these boxes being "sealed for life" and the car in your video already being at 135k, (it should have had maybe 3 changes already at that mileage, no one knows) but was still functioning acceptably. What would be a reasonable interval to do changes at? and have you ever changed the ATF and then experienced wet clutch slippage due to the "less grippy" new fluid?
I'd change it routinely every 40-50k miles if the car has normal use.
I've never encountered problems using new fluid. Some do less dramatic changes so just one drain and fill every couple of years or so.
Have you ever used a product like Seafoam Trans Tune to clean out the gearbox, could this be risky? Cheers
I haven't I'm afraid. My preference is always to refresh the fluid and allow the natural cleaning properties to do their job.
Standard maintenance is often enough.
My TF-80SC is hitting 110'C when on highway, and it has that humm/whine in 4th, 5th and 6th. Oil change or not enough oil? Thanks
How many miles has the transmission fluid done?
@@sirobb 50k km, approx 30k miles... it's on AR159 2.4JTDm.
It says Tutella GI/VI oil, but I presume it can be filled with 3309 too...
Has to be worth taking a sample of the fluid from the level plug.
If it's brown and smells burnt definitely change it.
It's also worth checking with your main dealer if there are any software updates outstanding. Perhaps even do that first.
Any torque specs for drain & fill plugs? Thanks
Drain Plug 45nm
Level Plug 8nm
Filler Plug 30nm
Lifetime ATF seems much darker than new ...
Why has so much oil come out from the fill level plug? surely its only meant to drain whats over the level?
If you mean at the start, the engine is off so the level sits differently compared to when the level is set which is done with the engine running.
@@sirobb I wonder what the oil level is at the end of the change?
Hello, i have one qustion, i did a lot of reserch and find out that jws 3309
Fluids are very difrrent in specs. My concklusion was that the most important thing is that fluid is not too high when cold and not too low when hot, among other things such as vi..... And i find that in the specs is best of all(inclouding volvo oem) is MPM hfm fluid, from holland i think, so, have you any experience with that oil, or have you heard something about it. I will say that mannol is very good, i used it for flusch, beter than many expencive oils. Thank You for answering
Should the transmission filter get replaced as well and when?
Filter replacement requires splitting the gearbox so is expensive and time consuming.
@@sirobb yes, but should you change it.. I mean should be changed at some mileage, is it needed?
I'm not aware any change schedule but check with a Volvo main dealer for the official advice.
@@sirobb Okay, thanks :)
good blog si gary from crewe
Great video, very informative. Does resetting the counter also apply to a 09K transmission? Cheers from down under.
not sure if you have ever watched Scotty. But he and many other mechanics never suggest buying so called " compatible " fluid for transmissions. Only dealer. Especially for honda's as they have very sensitive transmissions. And also that is one of the reasons the manufacturer's say do not change the fluid "sealed" :D
Thousands of people use the Mannol fluid without a problem and everyone can choose which is best for them.
I ignore most of what Scotty Kilmer says and does. 😊
@@sirobb perhaps you're right ;)
@@sirobb Ouch! .... Me too of late! He's lost the plot I think. Entertaining a few years ago......