Lemme know your guys thoughts in the comments below! Also around 33:48 the rest of what i said was cut off but i was basically saying that ICs were broken when they study an opponent, since learning 1 habit = a KO. Not sure why it was cut off...
I said: "a character in this game, who, compared to his melee version.." Edit - oh wait, what i said was for 2:50. I think the part at 3:00 was an editing mistake from our editor tbh
@@TheRealMew2king I do think you have a dislike for Marth in this game due to playing him in Melee. From what I gathered from Smashwiki, this has been opinion you had for a long time. I would think Marth is higher.
Can we also just talk about the fact that Diddy Kong probably has the single best dash attack in Smash history in this game? It quite actually has 1 frame of ending lag.
If you consider dash attacks that can be cancelled into upsmash then Snake has the best dash attack. Diddy's was pretty ridiculous, though not actually that amazing at top level due to SDI.
same thing can be said for ultimate tho... a few characters have the same stuff but theres more characters with some gimmick thing in ultimate than there is characters in the entirety of brawl
- The most "Lock-down or restrictive character" is Ice Climbers, one grab from it and it goes to chain grab and you're done. - Ice Climbers can pretty much shutdown the entire cast , except for Meta Knight, making everyone switching to Meta Knight. - A lot of characters can give Meta Knight a run of his money ; Snake , Marth , Pikachu , ZSS , Falco , Olimar , Wario , Diddy Kong. - Unfortunately all of those characters just shutdown by Ice Climbers, forcing those players to play Meta Knigth. - Furthermore , playing against Ice Climbers most of the time , if not all the time it comes down to stalling for the time to run out, because is the most optimal way to play against them, plus most Ice Climbers players play defensive because ICs get rewarded when they don't approach. - In addition to that, Brawl has amazing match ups or aggressive match ups when it goes back and forth, like Meta Knight vs Falco. - Also in Brawl , playing Meta Knight would not guarantee the win if the player did not know the other match up, so even low tiers can do upsets if there is this lack of knowledge against them.
MK wasn't the only character that could beat ICs. Characters like ZSS, Peach and Toon Link had roughly the same advantage over them, while there are characters like Marth and apparently even Ike and Wolf who are said to go even (don't ask on the latter). Also, Snake. I agree with just about everything else you said. Matchups weren't really boring beyond that. They weren't necessarily aggressive, but they also didn't have to be incredibly campy. I've seen a ton of cool matchups against Top tiers even today, and they weren't nearly as dominant as some people think.
Yeah but the mk problem was that in the hands of a good player he had better everything he was the only character that didn't need some jank or chain grab and was just broken in his kit overall he just did everything better But yeah icies were more toxic
Additionally, Ike had a decent or winning matchup against every character in the game, except for Meta Knight who he loses hard to. So if Ice Climbers had been banned and there were less MKs there would have been way more Ike players and he'd be way higher on the tierlist.
In melee i play all the characters for fun, but when brawl came out i was already living off tournaments and going into/attending college so i only put effort into the two characters i used, ddd and metaknight. An iron man would probably be 1 sided simply because i never tried most characters for long, as i saw no point to it. (Also in melee, i saw most successful top players using 1 main or sometimes a secondary [unlike myself who learned many], so noticing this trend, i went into brawl with the mindset of "let's fully master 1 character for every situation" since 2008.
I’ve been replaying brawl recently. So much nostalgia, meta knight and zero suit are even more fun than I remembered. Thanks a lot for this series, I learned a lot
Watching these videos has really increased my appreciation of Brawl; most characters have lots of cool character specific tech. I think what ruins the game for me, though, is how bad the worst characters are, and how joyless some of the top tiers make gameplay. Seriously, Ice Climbers, Diddy Kong, and Olimar ruin competitive Brawl. While Meta Knight was oppressive, he doesn't ruin the fun like those other top tiers.
Brawl Marth has thus far remained my favorite character in the entire series. He's so much fun to play - even just moving around as him felt great. I love how he was rewarded for proper spacing, and I love how he his sword wasn't quite as absurdly long as it was in Melee, but also not as awkwardly stubby and short as it is in Ultimate. Foxtrotting around with him was so fun (at least until you tripped), and I wish more of his Brawl play style was kept intact in the later Smash games.
Brawl Meta Knight is my favorite character in the series. It's like he was designed to be fun to play. It's a shame that half of the top tiers had significantly worse design. Looking at you, Ice Climbers...
he's fun to play because he's so ridiculously good at almost everything, and he's not as hard to play as most other top tiers. playing against him wasnt fun in the slightest unless youre playing mk aswell
Meta Knight is so broken in Brawl that it is fun, also, it's ridiculous that he has 4 recovery options. Brawl's Meta Knight is Sakurai's revenge after the nerf of Kirby in Melee, so he wanted to make a Kirby character the best again.
Some fun olimar facts: whistle super armor frame 2-17(I think) 5 frames endlag, upsmash frame 8 or 9 not 100% sure upair did around 28% depending on pikmin
I remember playing casual Brawl with my friends and destroying them with my armor pieces when I got my final smash as Samus. I would pick up more KOs that way than I would with the actual final smash.
As good as I think Fox is to the point of agreeing with Japan seeing him as Top Tier, he definitely got invalidated by Pikachu. Pikachu can grab him, and true 0 to death. Down Throw over and over, which eventually True Combo's into Up Smash, and this game is BEFORE he had the Cloud doing Thunder, so Up Smash -> Thunder was a thing. In Brawl, the Hitbox for Thunder lasted SO LONG to the point where Air Dodge doesn't matter. Even if you initially Air Dodge, it still lingers for too long so you get hit and DIE off the top as soon as your Air Dodge invincibility ends. If you miss the death combo, it's still loads of damage. Up Smash at the wrong time, and you'll get Sour Spot Up Smash.
Super insightful! I don't enjoy Brawl that much, but that's mostly because I only play characters I like and I mained Squirtle in Brawl. Life got better for me once Greninja was introduced. BUT! I learned a lot and Brawl _is_ fun to watch when it's between experienced players that aren't playing Iceys or Olimar
Ive openly stated my opinions since 2008 to present consistently, that most of the viable characters in this game besides mk have a boring gameplan. Example - I'm also a top ddd/falco/ike in brawl, but i found fishing for chain grabs (sideB/ftilt/bair/grabs for ddd and cg and camping for falco, basic sword spacing and jabs for ike) to get repetitive and boring to me. Brawl Marth i disliked (i actually only like marth in melee, and switching between both marths was negatively affecting my melee marth too much [such as tipper spacing on the moves] so i dropped the brawl marth quickly), and if you watch me in Ultimate or other games you'll know i dont enjoy projectile/item-based characters. Mk was the only character in brawl i truly loved, and there's inaccurate judgments/stigmas about the game as a whole i wanted to clear up as well.
@@TheRealMew2king It honestly should've been called Illusion for all the Spacies. I don't understand why they didn't do that, it would've been much more simple.
Just wanted to point something out: Olimar's Pikmin actually do not become more powerful when they grow flowers on their heads, it was merely an aesthetic.
Even as a stupid kid having no idea how to play the game, I ended up playing some of the better characters without realizing it. I still wasn't any good. I switched around with ICs, olimar, MK, and game n watch (the outlier) in brawl. In smash 4, I played villager (legit had no idea the DLC even existed back then)
When I played casually, the three characters I used the most were Mario, Captain Falcon, and Wario. Wario being the only good character of the three, and I didn't realize it.
I started playing on Smash4 and as a kid, when I read the instructions I was a little stupid: A button is normal attack and B button is special attack. Special is better than normal so I'll only use the B button. I ended up playing Wario and I had fun
If Brawl had patches/updates, it could have been such an amazing game. I personally still love Brawl, but I totally understand a lot of the negativity it got
I’ve learned that this game isn’t as lame as I originally thought edit: at least brawl had some advanced tech on a decent amount of high tiers smash 4 is hold shield the game lol
M2K should do a tier list of every character in the series ever. Please like this so M2K sees this because this sounds really exiting to see who he puts where
The Pikmin budding is a purely aesthetic change. It goes from bud to flower after the initial leaf, with each evolution happening after 20 seconds. So basically after 40 seconds they'll flower, but it does NOT make them stronger or any different.
Mew2King Oh damn didn’t think you’d reply. But yeah I can definitely agree there’s an argument for it being close. Meta Knight is the fastest character, has a glide, etc. However, ICs are ICs. And they gonna do what they do to practically everyone in the roster.
@@TheRealMew2king I agree but I have to say I think it's mk. Mainly because of how much he shaped the meta. I do think Ics and snake did somewhat but I feel like if you had a winning matchup against him then you were high tier pretty much. It's insane that ics can take your stock off of one grab but I feel like there was counterplay. Same with mk but it was insanely difficult. Also jcs recovery is questionable as opposed to meta knights 4 recovery moves, glide, and multiple jumps.
One important thing to mention is that Pikachu's placement is significantly affected by the fact that he has the only even (or perhaps even a bit favored) matchup with Metaknight. A single matchup makes him that good, and that's how good Metaknight is.
I played this as a kid so I didn’t really know the best players, but I always had MK as my favorite. When I wasn’t using him tho I was using Kirby and Pit
Ok, it’s fine to say that the gap between MK and the other top tiers was very low, but when that only becomes the case after a rule is implemented to directly nerf him and the stage list is changed to buff the second best character, he was probably pretty far ahead beforehand
While his stall tactics such as his ledge stall uair and his infinite cape glitch were pretty broken, a lot of that emerged since the only viable option against the other top tiers such as ICs and Diddy was to take the lead and not engage, or risk being excessively punished for thinking about approaching.
I miss when Falco actually worked as a character design wise. I think Ultimate Falco is a bit underrated still, but he had so much fun tech in brawl, however in 4 and Ulti he has turned into Up Tilt -> Back Air or Nair the character. Bc that’s all he can do.
Not shocked Bowser isn’t on here. Bowser imo is really really dangerous, in the right hands. He was just so hard to pick up back in Melee and Brawl, but is easily the most rewarding character I think. One you figure out how to NOT get punished from start to finish your on the right track to getting good with him
Sure I realize this may not be saying much but I used to shock the hell out of everyone in my school with Bowser back in the day when Melee and Brawl were new games. I was just a dedicated Bowser fan though. I probably wouldn’t have gotten far in a tournament as I don’t play that seriously, but nobody was able to beat me using Bowser. I guess other characters are simply better according to frame data and what-not but still, take the right person with enough love for the character and Bowser really is good in Melee and Brawl, I’d love to get a chance to fight one of these guys using him just to see what I can do
It's kinda interesting looking back and thinking what would've happened if Meta Knight and IC's had been banned very early on in Brawl's lifespan. I tend to think it would've improved the competitive experience, but it's impossible to say for sure.
I can't be the only one that thought the way they summed up Snake kind of sounded like a description of Melee Fox lol Just add a one frame move that's the answer for nearly every situation and you're good to go lol
I would've lowkey expected ICs to be first for one moment, given how dominant they started being towards the end. They really push your buttons. In all my time playing Brawl, I never once met an MK player that made me feel he was "unfair", or that I couldn't do anything...and I mained Bowser, and even played characters like DDD against him. And I played a couple of people. I went to the point I would try to TEACH people how to play against Bowser, that way I'd have more fun. At the same time, I can't say I played against an ICs that knew the chaingrab against every character. To me, it seems a lot more easier to just grab people in this game than in any other, considering how little shieldstun moves have. You'd need a really good MK to kill you off of multiple reads, on the other hand. ICs just needs one.
When the majority of the remaining top tiers relied on camping, stalling, or chain grab infinites & MK is one of the only characters who didn't get obsoleted by them, it makes perfect sense why everyone went MK.
I feel like if wobble and chain grabs were banned the tier list would be soooo much different. I feel like Ice Climbers would probably be like B tier, but idk. I haven't played Brawl competitively and haven't played casually in years :')
Meta Knight was definitely the most fun to play in Brawl, but there was a strong downside in that it often wasn't fun for the other person in a lot of matchups for me so I'd always feel bad using the character against them.
@@sora4440 eh idk, there's no special quality of melee that made it inherently better than brawl, it just came first and became beloved and as a result became what many expected from a new smash game. Brawl isn't a bad game, it just isn't melee
@@npclucario7005 , there is though. Alot of Brawl's design was anti competition. Not even for the sake of casual play. But for the sake of not being as competitive as Melee was too competitive and Sakurai did not like that. Tripping, Buffed shields, new air dodge mechanics, infinite air dodges, removal of L canceling, fewer movement options, etc... Smash 64 has more tech skill than Brawl and overall is more polished when it comes to fighting. Ppl definitely would have gone back. Same way ppl pretty much have shoved MVC Infinite to the side to go to back MVC 2...
Well I dont think so. Mk and icies would still be broken and the problems would still be there. I really don't think melee changed much about peoples options except for singleplayer
Honestly, with all the weird stuff and advanced techniques, I could see Brawl being an interesting competitive game. That is if you ban IC's, lol. Don't know about Meta Knight, at least he is fun and other top/high tiers can beat him, but he deletes a lot of Mid Tiers I feel.
What Salem did say was very rude at the time but I’ve been more accepting after watching him play melee with m2k. Also most melee players don’t like brawl content as many melee players quit smash entirely after brawl or just continued playing melee
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10. Wario 0:06
9. Marth 2:24
8. Pikachu 5:15
7. Falco 7:20
6. Zero Suit Samus 12:06
5. Snake 17:13
4. Olimar 22:08
3. Diddy Kong 26:15
2. Ice Climbers 28:56
1. Meta Knight 33:49
Can you tag Esam in this video so he can claim pikachu is somehow the best
Hope to see Dark Wizzy play as Brawl Mario.
bruh
Who would have to do a Project M tier list? M2K hasnt played since 3.0 so he's not exactly knowledgeable on current meta...
@@curiosityman3704 same
My favorite part of the series was learning more about the weird glitches and character specific tech that a lot of characters in Brawl have.
"brawl had so much fake stuff" -coney
guess he wasn't wrong
Need more of these
That's why I want this for 64 too lol
Brawl was a broken mess
IN THE BEST KIND OF WAY
Other than potentially the melee broken mess.
@@Newbmann Brawl wasn't the best competitive wise but it was so much more hype sometimes
I love how almost every description has a "This person can do this thing to metaknight"
Because that’s all that mattered in the game 😂
A big reason i did it like that is because i know how to explain it from meta knight's perspective, since i was the metaknight.
@@TheRealMew2king makes sense.
Welcome to brawl
@@TheRealMew2king "I was the metaknight" that sounded way more badass than it should have lol
Lemme know your guys thoughts in the comments below! Also around 33:48 the rest of what i said was cut off but i was basically saying that ICs were broken when they study an opponent, since learning 1 habit = a KO. Not sure why it was cut off...
1v1 me
Whats your thought on the current meta game of ultimate, do you think ultimate we be relevant for much longer or die out soon?
@Fritiof Geisler For fun
Thoughts on P+? Do you think PM might come back in some capacity?
Play more Brawl plz
3:00 “Marth is a character.”
Great observation M2K
I said: "a character in this game, who, compared to his melee version.."
Edit - oh wait, what i said was for 2:50. I think the part at 3:00 was an editing mistake from our editor tbh
Mew2King lol
James Watts lol Mew2king*
Mew2King no johns
@@TheRealMew2king I do think you have a dislike for Marth in this game due to playing him in Melee.
From what I gathered from Smashwiki, this has been opinion you had for a long time.
I would think Marth is higher.
Can we also just talk about the fact that Diddy Kong probably has the single best dash attack in Smash history in this game? It quite actually has 1 frame of ending lag.
Active Frames 9-23, 24 Frames of FAF. Fair and balanced.
"quite actually"
Speech 100
If you consider dash attacks that can be cancelled into upsmash then Snake has the best dash attack. Diddy's was pretty ridiculous, though not actually that amazing at top level due to SDI.
💯th like
Pork Fried Riceballs Smash 4 Meta Knight?
brawl had the most diverse techs, nearly every character had its own tech somehow and i love it.
same thing can be said for ultimate tho...
a few characters have the same stuff but theres more characters with some gimmick thing in ultimate than there is characters in the entirety of brawl
@@karlcossaboon7072 you dont really seem to know much about brawl but i respect your input
@@DevelonLP I studied brawl at university of yale and I'd have to agree in this regard
Every game before brawl had that
@@karlcossaboon7072 theres a difference between gimmicky combos and actual tech. ultimate doesnt really have an cool consistent tech like brawl.
- The most "Lock-down or restrictive character" is Ice Climbers, one grab from it and it goes to chain grab and you're done.
- Ice Climbers can pretty much shutdown the entire cast , except for Meta Knight, making everyone switching to Meta Knight.
- A lot of characters can give Meta Knight a run of his money ; Snake , Marth , Pikachu , ZSS , Falco , Olimar , Wario , Diddy Kong.
- Unfortunately all of those characters just shutdown by Ice Climbers, forcing those players to play Meta Knigth.
- Furthermore , playing against Ice Climbers most of the time , if not all the time it comes down to stalling for the time to run out, because is the most optimal way to play against them, plus most Ice Climbers players play defensive because ICs get rewarded when they don't approach.
- In addition to that, Brawl has amazing match ups or aggressive match ups when it goes back and forth, like Meta Knight vs Falco.
- Also in Brawl , playing Meta Knight would not guarantee the win if the player did not know the other match up, so even low tiers can do upsets if there is this lack of knowledge against them.
what i took away from this is that ice climbers, not meta knight, was the character that should have been the main topic of ban discussions.
MK wasn't the only character that could beat ICs. Characters like ZSS, Peach and Toon Link had roughly the same advantage over them, while there are characters like Marth and apparently even Ike and Wolf who are said to go even (don't ask on the latter). Also, Snake.
I agree with just about everything else you said. Matchups weren't really boring beyond that. They weren't necessarily aggressive, but they also didn't have to be incredibly campy. I've seen a ton of cool matchups against Top tiers even today, and they weren't nearly as dominant as some people think.
Yeah but the mk problem was that in the hands of a good player he had better everything he was the only character that didn't need some jank or chain grab and was just broken in his kit overall he just did everything better
But yeah icies were more toxic
The game is broke. It's just a feels bad experience
Additionally, Ike had a decent or winning matchup against every character in the game, except for Meta Knight who he loses hard to. So if Ice Climbers had been banned and there were less MKs there would have been way more Ike players and he'd be way higher on the tierlist.
Can y'all do a brawl iron man? Would love to see more brawl gameplay
In melee i play all the characters for fun, but when brawl came out i was already living off tournaments and going into/attending college so i only put effort into the two characters i used, ddd and metaknight. An iron man would probably be 1 sided simply because i never tried most characters for long, as i saw no point to it. (Also in melee, i saw most successful top players using 1 main or sometimes a secondary [unlike myself who learned many], so noticing this trend, i went into brawl with the mindset of "let's fully master 1 character for every situation" since 2008.
@@TheRealMew2king makes sense. Then perhaps some brawl friendlies would be cool
We need a run back of Apex 2013
Mo I i
Thank you guys for the brawl content. I was requesting this a while back and love that you put so much effort into it :)
Can you guys do a video showcasing more brawl tech? I am really loving this brawl content 👍
I say this and will not take it back. ICs hurt Brawl more than MK.
It's extremely true but only players playing near the end of the game's life the months/years before s4 was released will understand that
so that's why they missed out on smash 4
I dont think anyone will disagree
MK is fun, and if the opponent was mildly aggressive, sort of fin to play against.
ICs suck
@@maxwellmoonen3426 people who didn't actually play the game say mk ruined the game
Huge agree
I’ve been replaying brawl recently. So much nostalgia, meta knight and zero suit are even more fun than I remembered. Thanks a lot for this series, I learned a lot
meta knight was more cancer than you remembered is what you meant
Watching these videos has really increased my appreciation of Brawl; most characters have lots of cool character specific tech. I think what ruins the game for me, though, is how bad the worst characters are, and how joyless some of the top tiers make gameplay. Seriously, Ice Climbers, Diddy Kong, and Olimar ruin competitive Brawl. While Meta Knight was oppressive, he doesn't ruin the fun like those other top tiers.
Yeah Mario has some great tech with Cape, but it's only exclusive to this game.
Brawl Marth has thus far remained my favorite character in the entire series. He's so much fun to play - even just moving around as him felt great. I love how he was rewarded for proper spacing, and I love how he his sword wasn't quite as absurdly long as it was in Melee, but also not as awkwardly stubby and short as it is in Ultimate. Foxtrotting around with him was so fun (at least until you tripped), and I wish more of his Brawl play style was kept intact in the later Smash games.
Brawl Meta Knight is my favorite character in the series. It's like he was designed to be fun to play. It's a shame that half of the top tiers had significantly worse design. Looking at you, Ice Climbers...
he's fun to play because he's so ridiculously good at almost everything, and he's not as hard to play as most other top tiers. playing against him wasnt fun in the slightest unless youre playing mk aswell
I agree comical typhoon.
At least he didn't do 0 to death combo or something
Meta Knight is so broken in Brawl that it is fun, also, it's ridiculous that he has 4 recovery options.
Brawl's Meta Knight is Sakurai's revenge after the nerf of Kirby in Melee, so he wanted to make a Kirby character the best again.
@@saricubra2867 Can we get bandana Dee to be the best character in Smash Ultimate or Smash 6 please.
Some fun olimar facts: whistle super armor frame 2-17(I think) 5 frames endlag, upsmash frame 8 or 9 not 100% sure upair did around 28% depending on pikmin
You should do a video on the best player for each character in brawl
Here's the ones that I know:
MK-m2k
Ganon-Bloodynite
ZSS-Salem
Pikachu-Esam(maybe Z)
Ness-Fow
PT-Aposl
Falco-Larry Lurr
@@Kason76 Ice Climbers: 9B
Diddy Kong: ADHD
@@patoa3481 Fox: TKD (or Trevonte) for non Japanese Fox players (YUI was one of those Japanese Fox players).
@@curiosityman3704 Pit: Earth
Link: Izaw
I remember playing casual Brawl with my friends and destroying them with my armor pieces when I got my final smash as Samus. I would pick up more KOs that way than I would with the actual final smash.
Forgot about Falco's best part: his double lasers
flat out invalidated a lot of characters that couldn't deal with it
This makes me miss Brawl so much. The diversity of characters and the tech was so great
Damn, Brawl ZSS looks really fun. Also Snake DACUS is terrifying.
As good as I think Fox is to the point of agreeing with Japan seeing him as Top Tier, he definitely got invalidated by Pikachu.
Pikachu can grab him, and true 0 to death. Down Throw over and over, which eventually True Combo's into Up Smash, and this game is BEFORE he had the Cloud doing Thunder, so Up Smash -> Thunder was a thing. In Brawl, the Hitbox for Thunder lasted SO LONG to the point where Air Dodge doesn't matter. Even if you initially Air Dodge, it still lingers for too long so you get hit and DIE off the top as soon as your Air Dodge invincibility ends. If you miss the death combo, it's still loads of damage. Up Smash at the wrong time, and you'll get Sour Spot Up Smash.
Honestly for this entire series it felt like “this character has this OP tech against Fox”
Super insightful! I don't enjoy Brawl that much, but that's mostly because I only play characters I like and I mained Squirtle in Brawl. Life got better for me once Greninja was introduced. BUT! I learned a lot and Brawl _is_ fun to watch when it's between experienced players that aren't playing Iceys or Olimar
I love how Mew2King complained about every character, then when it came to MetaKnight he was just like “Hes not as broken as everyone thinks” 😂
Ive openly stated my opinions since 2008 to present consistently, that most of the viable characters in this game besides mk have a boring gameplan. Example - I'm also a top ddd/falco/ike in brawl, but i found fishing for chain grabs (sideB/ftilt/bair/grabs for ddd and cg and camping for falco, basic sword spacing and jabs for ike) to get repetitive and boring to me. Brawl Marth i disliked (i actually only like marth in melee, and switching between both marths was negatively affecting my melee marth too much [such as tipper spacing on the moves] so i dropped the brawl marth quickly), and if you watch me in Ultimate or other games you'll know i dont enjoy projectile/item-based characters. Mk was the only character in brawl i truly loved, and there's inaccurate judgments/stigmas about the game as a whole i wanted to clear up as well.
Wow m2k responded
@@ronjonald660 yeah he has replied to a lot of comments on this vid
No "falco is bad" from salem, times have changed.
Can you guys make a video showing off cool brawl tech? I actually enjoyed that as much as anything
Every time I watch a brawl video, I think to myself... how drunk were the people making the game XD
That Salem vs M2K set at Apex 2013 they showed during the ZSS part is one of the best smash sets of all time
I love this game. Dedede chain grab is fun to pull out against inexperienced players and my Ness is like unbeatable by my friends
"A frame 2 upair that you can spam three times per second"
LMAO I forgot how insane brawl metaknight was
Brawl MK Up-Air is arguably the best move in any Smash game.
3:00 "Marth is a character"
Take notes kids
I played Lucas in brawl because he was fun and his up smash killed really early
PK Love for life
8:00 falcos is called Phantasm. Fox has it called illusion
I know but i say illusion a lot anyway cuz i feel like it's a more widely known term. It doesn't matter.
@@TheRealMew2king It honestly should've been called Illusion for all the Spacies. I don't understand why they didn't do that, it would've been much more simple.
Just wanted to point something out: Olimar's Pikmin actually do not become more powerful when they grow flowers on their heads, it was merely an aesthetic.
Even as a stupid kid having no idea how to play the game, I ended up playing some of the better characters without realizing it. I still wasn't any good.
I switched around with ICs, olimar, MK, and game n watch (the outlier) in brawl.
In smash 4, I played villager (legit had no idea the DLC even existed back then)
Same for me when I played ICs in Brawl lol
When I played casually, the three characters I used the most were Mario, Captain Falcon, and Wario.
Wario being the only good character of the three, and I didn't realize it.
I started playing on Smash4 and as a kid, when I read the instructions I was a little stupid:
A button is normal attack and B button is special attack. Special is better than normal so I'll only use the B button.
I ended up playing Wario and I had fun
Do you think olimar would be one spot above if tether recoveries were fixed in brawl?
Prob. And ics would become by far the best character
@@TheRealMew2king what a disgusting possible outcome lmao
@@TheRealMew2king that would be the worst timeline. Ivysaur died for the outcome we got. He was the martyr we needed.
If Brawl had patches/updates, it could have been such an amazing game.
I personally still love Brawl, but I totally understand a lot of the negativity it got
Patched was project M actually (now known as P+)
Honestly not really they would just paych the fun interesting parts of the game out.
Mew2King no it wasn't. PM was a jank mod for people who couldn't play Melee.
hinkage check out Project+, things have changed a lot over the years
I’ve learned that this game isn’t as lame as I originally thought edit: at least brawl had some advanced tech on a decent amount of high tiers smash 4 is hold shield the game lol
Did you not watch the video. Lol
Depends the matchup a lot, variance is massive.
Noob question how do you deal with trips tho?
@@Nistacular honestly it rarely ever affects the outcome of a match.
Hans Foster modern tourneys have tripping disabled so it's not even a thing anymore
super good videos, more brawl stuff in the future would be really fun
1st 3 characters covered: have chain grabs
I'm starting to see a pattern here
M2K should do a tier list of every character in the series ever. Please like this so M2K sees this because this sounds really exiting to see who he puts where
Ayyyyy it’s back
I was freaking out when the vids were gone
You forgot to mention the true top tier of brawl, Ganondorf with items on.
Great content, guys.
I'd like more Brawl videos. A MK guide, or simply some friendly matches.
The Pikmin budding is a purely aesthetic change. It goes from bud to flower after the initial leaf, with each evolution happening after 20 seconds. So basically after 40 seconds they'll flower, but it does NOT make them stronger or any different.
Oh damn really? I mean either way the pikmin farming thing.
the whole section about ice climbers was really depressing, i would ask where it all went wrong but i guess i know now, what a sad way to die
I would be down to see a brawl netplay tournament
Spoiler alert: Meta Knight is number 1
It's actually extremely close between ics and mk and i had to think a lot before i decided my order (assuming we're using tournament rulesets).
Mew2King Oh damn didn’t think you’d reply. But yeah I can definitely agree there’s an argument for it being close. Meta Knight is the fastest character, has a glide, etc. However, ICs are ICs. And they gonna do what they do to practically everyone in the roster.
@@TheRealMew2king I agree but I have to say I think it's mk. Mainly because of how much he shaped the meta. I do think Ics and snake did somewhat but I feel like if you had a winning matchup against him then you were high tier pretty much. It's insane that ics can take your stock off of one grab but I feel like there was counterplay. Same with mk but it was insanely difficult. Also jcs recovery is questionable as opposed to meta knights 4 recovery moves, glide, and multiple jumps.
Btw lonely popo can still chain grab. Which makes Icies even more op.
I miss Brawl/4 Falco :(
At least he had a kit and was more than up tilt the character
I miss Brawl Lucario and Brawl Ganon side b too
People love Brawl. I know I do. I think it shows in how many more views these videos are getting than average. Please make more Brawl content!
Eh. I like brawl as a casual game. I despise it entirely as competitive
This makes me more thankful for smash among this covid
One important thing to mention is that Pikachu's placement is significantly affected by the fact that he has the only even (or perhaps even a bit favored) matchup with Metaknight. A single matchup makes him that good, and that's how good Metaknight is.
ESAM believed that Meta Knight still won the matchup, and that’s pretty important.
Bro, flowers were only aesthetic in brawl LOL
Tell that to salem not me lol, i knew they sprouted but i didnt know if it did anything or not
I played this as a kid so I didn’t really know the best players, but I always had MK as my favorite. When I wasn’t using him tho I was using Kirby and Pit
Smash 64 Falcon was dope. Wish they'd bring back falcon punch as a recovery move.
RIP fast falcon punch
RIP True Combos into Falcon Punch
Yes my brothers
You guys should do an old PM tier list and then compare to P+
30:58 i remember when ult first came out and cheese came to aon to play some ult, dude is funny, lol
15:24 lmfao gunblade in the back
3:31 YOOO!! Anti looking fresh. LOL
It's interesting to hear that Brawl Meta Knight is considered fun while Smash 4 Bayonetta is considered lame
The amount of knowledge between Salem and Mew2king on Melee-Ultimate is actually insane. They could really make a bible for every character
Why is ZSS just annoying in like every game.
XSDE3X in melee, she was just a trophy. So she wasn’t annoying in that game
No lie I bet when Sakuria lost movement in his right arm he gave directions for her frame data using the fingers on one hand
it's not really annoying, she has just been a top tier in every game. Though in brawl I could see why she was annoying
Can someone make a brawl netplay tourney? This game is so technical and funny and I don't want it to die again.
Brawl Metaknight is my favorite character of all time too M2k!
Ok, it’s fine to say that the gap between MK and the other top tiers was very low, but when that only becomes the case after a rule is implemented to directly nerf him and the stage list is changed to buff the second best character, he was probably pretty far ahead beforehand
While his stall tactics such as his ledge stall uair and his infinite cape glitch were pretty broken, a lot of that emerged since the only viable option against the other top tiers such as ICs and Diddy was to take the lead and not engage, or risk being excessively punished for thinking about approaching.
I miss when Falco actually worked as a character design wise. I think Ultimate Falco is a bit underrated still, but he had so much fun tech in brawl, however in 4 and Ulti he has turned into Up Tilt -> Back Air or Nair the character. Bc that’s all he can do.
ZSS has been top 10 3 games in a row...FeelsPrivilegedMan.
Smash 4 ZSS > Brawl ZSS/Ultimate ZSS
@@5C0RP_ Big disagree.
Brawl tech w Ultimate mechanics (obviously there is conflict between the two) would be the perfect smash game not called melee
Miles Long Where’s the Sm4sh appreciation?
Skeeter Mania Worst game in the series 1000%
Miles Long Your opinion, m8.
Not shocked Bowser isn’t on here. Bowser imo is really really dangerous, in the right hands. He was just so hard to pick up back in Melee and Brawl, but is easily the most rewarding character I think. One you figure out how to NOT get punished from start to finish your on the right track to getting good with him
Sure I realize this may not be saying much but I used to shock the hell out of everyone in my school with Bowser back in the day when Melee and Brawl were new games. I was just a dedicated Bowser fan though. I probably wouldn’t have gotten far in a tournament as I don’t play that seriously, but nobody was able to beat me using Bowser. I guess other characters are simply better according to frame data and what-not but still, take the right person with enough love for the character and Bowser really is good in Melee and Brawl, I’d love to get a chance to fight one of these guys using him just to see what I can do
It's kinda interesting looking back and thinking what would've happened if Meta Knight and IC's had been banned very early on in Brawl's lifespan. I tend to think it would've improved the competitive experience, but it's impossible to say for sure.
You should do more content like this.
brawl marth was absolutely art
I can't be the only one that thought the way they summed up Snake kind of sounded like a description of Melee Fox lol
Just add a one frame move that's the answer for nearly every situation and you're good to go lol
I would've lowkey expected ICs to be first for one moment, given how dominant they started being towards the end. They really push your buttons.
In all my time playing Brawl, I never once met an MK player that made me feel he was "unfair", or that I couldn't do anything...and I mained Bowser, and even played characters like DDD against him. And I played a couple of people. I went to the point I would try to TEACH people how to play against Bowser, that way I'd have more fun. At the same time, I can't say I played against an ICs that knew the chaingrab against every character. To me, it seems a lot more easier to just grab people in this game than in any other, considering how little shieldstun moves have. You'd need a really good MK to kill you off of multiple reads, on the other hand. ICs just needs one.
Is there a buffer system in this game? I casually played the first 3 games so I’m not sure.
What would you say are the top 5 or 10 characters for Brawl 1 stock?
“Might as well hit with his mittens” lololololol
However fun MK dittos were to play, watching tournaments where they were 50% of the matches made me want to drink antifreeze.
When the majority of the remaining top tiers relied on camping, stalling, or chain grab infinites & MK is one of the only characters who didn't get obsoleted by them, it makes perfect sense why everyone went MK.
Esam without a beard is the scariest thing
Brawl MK is the most fun but I personally main Samus in most. Brawl being the only exception with Wolf and Samus.
Nice video :D
I appreciate the time stamps
Watching a tier list for game I never played
I feel like if wobble and chain grabs were banned the tier list would be soooo much different. I feel like Ice Climbers would probably be like B tier, but idk. I haven't played Brawl competitively and haven't played casually in years :')
Meta Knight was definitely the most fun to play in Brawl, but there was a strong downside in that it often wasn't fun for the other person in a lot of matchups for me so I'd always feel bad using the character against them.
I never realized that icies is a fun killer
Imagine a world where brawl came out before melee, I bet it would be as popular and as beloved as melee
I bet it wouldn't. Ppl would have left brawl and went back to n64...
@@sora4440 eh idk, there's no special quality of melee that made it inherently better than brawl, it just came first and became beloved and as a result became what many expected from a new smash game. Brawl isn't a bad game, it just isn't melee
@@npclucario7005 , there is though. Alot of Brawl's design was anti competition. Not even for the sake of casual play. But for the sake of not being as competitive as Melee was too competitive and Sakurai did not like that. Tripping, Buffed shields, new air dodge mechanics, infinite air dodges, removal of L canceling, fewer movement options, etc... Smash 64 has more tech skill than Brawl and overall is more polished when it comes to fighting. Ppl definitely would have gone back. Same way ppl pretty much have shoved MVC Infinite to the side to go to back MVC 2...
Well I dont think so. Mk and icies would still be broken and the problems would still be there. I really don't think melee changed much about peoples options except for singleplayer
I loved brawl. I loved how jank every single character was
Honestly, with all the weird stuff and advanced techniques, I could see Brawl being an interesting competitive game. That is if you ban IC's, lol. Don't know about Meta Knight, at least he is fun and other top/high tiers can beat him, but he deletes a lot of Mid Tiers I feel.
Announcer:And the best brawl character is ganondorf
M2K Salem and any brawl player:impossible
I feel like if Meta Knight and Icies were toned down or banned the game would’ve been super interesting and probably still have a scene today
I love how excited Salem gets about Brawl. He understands that it’s the best game in the series.
*Several people are typing*
"understands"
Jack Cliffon WHAT
Top tiers for Meta Knight matchup chart
No, then many of the high tiers (fox for example) would have been much higher.
Brawl is so nostalgic
its good to see people not hating on salem over that melee drama in 2018 lmfao
What Salem did say was very rude at the time but I’ve been more accepting after watching him play melee with m2k. Also most melee players don’t like brawl content as many melee players quit smash entirely after brawl or just continued playing melee
idk what you're tryna say with this
Music?
i love my icies & meta knight theyre my babies
Wait, flower Pikmin in Brawl were stronger than regular Pikmin? I coulda sworn that was just a visual thing.