Why NO ONE Plays: Sephiroth | Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
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- Опубліковано 16 лют 2023
- Having almost the same amount of hype on release as Cloud did in Smash 4, Sephiroth came into Smash Ultimate with high expectations, and while he showed a lot of promise in regards to strengths, his weaknesses proved to be more egregious than expected. So for today we'll be talking about Why NO ONE Plays: Sephiroth.
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Sephiroth is a good counter to other swordies. It basically like playing rock, paper, scissors, but your opponent choise scissors and you choose bigger scissors.
I play a lot of byleth and that's exactly how it feels lol
Yeah, that's unironically how things go: Swordies beat rushdown, rushdown beat zoners and zoners beat swordies. There's some extra nuisanse here and there but Sephiroth is the swordie who walled out the swordies.
The one swordie Sephiroth isn't great against is Mythra, because she scissors snips faster than Sephiroth. Sephiroth is only good against her if she's off stage.
I play Lucina. Roy, and Marth just so I can see how to outplay the sephiroth
no he isn't lol. sephiroth doesn't win MUs against any of the meta relevant sword characters
What I’ve seen is that in most scenes, there’s always at least that one guy who plays Sephiroth, regardless of skill level.
My local scene has like 3-5 really good Sephiroths there’s so many 😭
@@wisercupid6740 top level has a few, but none of them are solo's people just use him as a suprise pick. which is the saddest thing for SEPHIROTH of all characters to be relegated to
I'm that guy
They're men of culture.
@@scumxix I agree with this
To this day I still cant believe how Sakurai, when all other FP2 characters are broken as hell, decided “Lets make Sephi an actually balanced character”… dude he is THE one character that should be the most broken of all 😭
EXACTLYYYYYY
@@rob0killa007 Sephiroth to me feels like the High risk high reward version of Cloud. Sephiroth has more variety, where as Cloud is Safer. Just like K Rool to DK, villains are really interesting in how they are a contrast to the Hero.
Something about them not wanting the villain characters to be good
Well considering the Aegis is basically God's wifi router and Steve can carry googols of universes in his back pocket, I don't know if I'd say he's THE character who should be broken. It's still lame that he's made out of styrofoam though.
@@robhillen8007 but Sephi can obliterate an entire solar system with a single attack 😭 (jk I know how deep this topic can go lol)
Problem is that of all the DLC characters in the game, Sephiroth is the one they wanted to make balanced
And Sora?
Describe & elaborate "balanced"
@@Rhy2412TitanGamer did you even watched the video? 😂
Mf should’ve been the most broken dlc ever 😭
I was gonna say Banjo, but he’s honestly just designed to be awful
For me at least Sephiroth's greatest flaw that would make him good but not broken in high level is his weight. He just dies too early. He really needs like 10 units of weight. This way, his wing has more time out which actually makes him more dangerous without having to change his moveset at all. I see Sephiroth die BEFORE his wing can come out or right when he is dying.
Honestly, 79 units is kind of the cursed weight number. 3 out of 5 characters with that value struggle a lot because of their poor weight. Sephiroth and Mewtwo are too big for their own good, and Kirby has literally nothing to justify that low a weight other than lore.
At least Pikachu and Olimar weigh it up.
As a Zelda player, if I'm hitting Sephiroth with Lightning Kicks at around 60% it usually means Sephrioth gets the lovely privilege of acquiring One Wing right as he hits the blast zone.
And I think that is *far* too extreme of a weakness for someone like Sephiroth.
@@heartnet40 as a Sephi main, Zeldas are scary 💀
@@heartnet40 even though I agree with you, it must be a pretty great feeling huh? I can imagine the pure ecstasy
@Carlos Guzman Sephiroth wins the match-up so don't give up hope. I believe in you.
Sephiroth has the Best Smash Ultimate Trailer. Change My Mind
@Koopa King Um no he is not, he is one of the weaker DLC characters. In fact, out of all the fighter pass 2 characters, he might very well be the worst one of the bunch.
@@maximeminassian6002 🤓
@@maximeminassian6002 you know they could've been just talking about best dlc character in general, not everything revolves around tier list and how good or bad a character is
@@Drip_Sakuya oh ok I see. I could see the argument that he is the best DLC character, but honestly I think Joker, Bayonetta and Steve were all better inclusion to their games (even tho they all turned out to be bonkers broken). Sephiroth was indeed a hype reveal, but I think people are overexaggerating how cool of an inclusion he was just because his trailer was awesome.
Sure, y'know if you like bad guys.
I'm more of a Min Min/Sora trailer guy myself.
The "Final Boss" design logic is insane. Sephiroth can seem impossible to fight sometimes, but learn his weaknesses and his attacks' blind spots and he's done for.
I really like how Sephiroth is designed, from an opponent perspective. He truly feels like a "final boss" considering his power while outspacing you and how you can throw that back at him once you get upclose.
Even wing can enhance that sensation if you consider it a "2nd phase".
That's really the big reason I enjoy playing him, his entire moveset just exudes evil endboss in a way none of the other villain characters do and that makes him damn fun to play.
Getting Electric fisted and dying at 70% doesn’t really make me feel like a final Boss. If anything Kazuya is final boss level
so called "final bosses" when the kazuya jabs them
@@bigfrog117 Sephiroth feels like a final Boss in an RPG, where he can destroy your team with really powerful spells. However like an RPG boss as long as you can survive, he starts to become predictable.
@@orangeslash1667 well in the RPG he takes a whole team and supers to defeat. Here… maybe like a Roy Side-B at 60
I think Nairo summed it up perfectly: he doesn’t have the fast and active hitboxes you’d want from a sword since there’s all the spacings on his moves
Defensive glass cannon is so accurate
Which is inherently not great. It doesn’t synergise with itself at all
Something you haven't talked about and I think might be relevant is that he also suffers the same problem as Marth, in which if you don't land the sweetspot of his moves he's gonna have troubles killing. And being light + having trouble to kill is usually not great.
or if you don't get the midrange bair kill confirms
Also he s combo food
Anyone that’s played the game can infer this similarity, he doesn’t need to talk about it.
@@KidddBlast Bro, going by your logic, he wouldn't speak about anything
@@smilingman4299 comparing tippers is extremely surface-level and doesn’t need to be said in one of his videos and doesn’t require deep analysis. If you play the game you know how tippers/sweet-spots work
The accuracy and spacing style of sephiroth is what I love about maining him, he lives as a glass cannon and its super rewarding and punishing. His reward for keeping people out and learning how to box and space properly with him feels so satisfying. I know he feels niche and not for everyone but for people that love him it feels like the right fit.
“Sephiroth has the longest f-air in the game”
Min Min: I don’t even know if I count…
He literally said Min-Min is the only one that contests this.
Except it’s untrue, Belmonts have more range on fair and bair
@@noxumbra3429 Do they?
@@user-be3qc7re9o yes, richter and Simon’s fair and bair are a few units longer than Sephiroth. I play both so… I know. Sephiroth hitboxes are active longer and are larger however
@@noxumbra3429 Interesting.
i will main sephiroth until the end of my days, fight me
ALL HAIL SEPHY! DEMON KING OF DESPAIR!!!🙌
who cares
@@jemandjemand2362 cry about it goober
I don’t think his full potential has been reached and I’m stoked to see what else he’s got.
Pretty sure Tweek is there.
They'll just update the game and ruin everyone's progress.
@@Charles-mv7sv If there is one thing that makes Sephiroth stand out is the fact that he along with Cloud, mega man, and Joker have sliding a down tilt, which is a a good out of shield option. Sephiroth is kinda like Mega man in that he has great spacing but not great close combat, so he needs to be patient.
@@orangeslash1667 Seph dtilt is a frame 9 move, and added to shield drop frames, it will only come out frame 20 oos. That's not a good oos option. Most moves that hit a shield at high/top level aren't -20 on shield. Contrast with Cloud's frame 7 up-b, MM frame 4 bair, Joker frame 7 fair/bair - these are options with much better speed and coverage than anything Seph has access to
@@vezwyxx Oh, I guess the only option is to escape.
Speaking of which, if there is one thing that Sephiroth does better than Cloud it's recovery.
Cloud is very easy to gimp due to his linear recovery. Edge guarding Sephiroth is much harder, especially with one wing.
damn , all of my mains have now been talked about on this show
As a Sephiroth main, his biggest flaw is being too light.
It can be hard to finish stocks at high level and his low weight makes it super hard for any Sephiroth player to make effective use of One-Wing.
He should have had his One Wing Mechanic permanently and he should have been a Heavyweight
Sephiroth's problem in a way remind me of old Aurelion Sol: A very strong character with crazy damage output who at first glance looks op but is held back by being unable to compete with a metagame mainly consisting of characters who are specified to get in your face as fast as possible due to a melee dead zone.
The biggest flaw with asol was making him both ranged and a control mage. With those orbitals a melee bruiser or tank would have made more sense. He was just so squishy and defenders without ult vs anyone with a dash that rylais was mandatory lmao.
@@decidueyezealot8611 While I agree with the statement, that Center of the universe would have been stronger on a melee champ with more hp, this ability would be soo broken without the melee deadzone. The point is, that center of the universe was flawed by design due to it being a very strong ability that was only really held back by the one weakness that made old Asol so unattractive to play. The core problem of both characters, a melee dead zone, in a meta dominated by characters, who are designed to get close to you as fast as possible is the same; that’s what I pointed out. You could even go farther with this analogy. For example is Sephiroth suffering from being very light and therefore easy to kill, once you get into his deadzone, which is exactly what you pointed out about Asol.
@@LezbianLizard Sephiroth is kinda similar to Mega man is that their spacing characters with a sliding Down tilt, Which is helpful when you need to attack Quickly. They also have an explosive Side B. The difference is that while Mega man is safer, Sephiroth is far more powerful.
He doesn't have crazy damage output. His sourspot is horrible. He's has range but is slow for the sake of that
Sure, but for old A-Sol u also only got the max. damage out if you had near perfect spacing and while the sour spot is definitely a big problem, but there are worse out there. I have seen people hit almost only sweet spots and under this assumption, Sephiroths damage IS crazy. Sure he might not get it off all the time but that's the glass cannon aspect i was talking about
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I love Sephiroth.
I am not good at him, but I find him fun purely by how dramatic he comes off as. Also that full charged blast is great.
I think the thing about Sephiroth is his pressure and it’s completely up to the player to read their opponent. Shadow flare really pressures your opponent, down smash is good for shield breaks, up smash covers characters who tend to jump a lot and land with aerials, and reading air dodges with octo slash can really mess with the mental state of the opponent.
It’s just at higher levels of play you’ll find the opponent usually has to make sephiroth come to them and be the one working hard unless he gets the lead, so it’s not usually going to be Seph doing the conditioning and pressuring, and his moves are precise and specific that most of the best characters have simple strategies to bypass his moves
Yup, he's supposed to be a god genius whatever in the game, so it makes sense that his kit requires you to be smarter than your opponents
Probably should have talked about his side b. It’s the strongest effect in the game, absolutely forces enemies to shield and play aggressively.
while it’s true that his weaknesses are extremely bad, it’s impressive that despite those weaknesses he’s still a high tier character. goes to show that some of his fundamental attributes are obviously very strong, albeit you need to really understand his range and timing or you’re gonna get rekt
2:57 This line about Sephiroth being unorthodox by platform fighter standards is a bit ironic when his design closely follows how ranged characters are approached in traditional fighting games. You will basically never see a long range fighter who is tanky (heavy) or has good "get off me" tools outside of Smash and some of the games like it.
TIGER UPPERCUT
Yes he is truly the shoto of swordies 😂
Smash terms are funny
@@waffleman8053 Also Zangief’s Lariat.
Sentinel
6:30 I really liked your differentiation between a move's "range" and a move's "coverage"
I will forever main sephiroth no matter what. He's not bad, he's not great, he's just that perfect (heh) sweetspot of "I can kick my friend's asses and not feel like I paid 5.99 for a ticket to grand finals"
Sephiroth isn’t a barely used character. He is 14th place in results and has a usage rate of around 2% to 2.5%
Wait, wasn't he only 20-21th place? I guess the video is not very accurate period because it has been rising lately; is a high tier with representation akin to most high tiers like Mario, Sonic, Ness or Lucina. It doesn't see more play because he is not busted, just solid, and is best used as counterpick or main with pocket secondary, not a solo main like all-rounders or Steve.
Yeah, these videos seem to analyse weak parts of a character rather than actually underused characters. I guess saying “little mac has zero tools outside of ground game” is a lot less interesting than analysing a character like Seph that isn’t underused but is definitely held back
@@N12015 bro just called mario sonic and lucina high tiers
@@cxrtrr Yes? They're good but are kinda exploitable in some aspects and are struggling to show results and representation lately, unlike top tiers like R.O.B, Steve or Wolf. In this game the difference between high and top tier isn't very big, but isn't nonexistant, specially with OP DLC.
@@N12015 Those characters are definitely top tier. Kurama, Sonix, and Protobanhan get consistently good results with these characters. Just because a character has few reps, doesn’t mean they aren’t as good.
Love your content bro, especially these series. You really understand what you're talking about.✨
He should’ve been the broken DLC character… why is the universe so cruel… Maybe next game…
As a Sephiroth main, I don't know if it's a lack of representation but rather just a lack of results. We have 3 or so top representatives being Tweek, Ken, and Ned. Ned being the only one who solo mains him I believe. The only time I think a solo Sephiroth has won a major when was he first released and Zackray played him. Besides that he's like Captain Falcon it's not that people don't play him, it's just that he isn't someone who is very viable competitively if you solo main compared to say Steve or Joker.
Sephiroth won with Ken and it wasn't when he first released, you are probably thinking about Sora, the character that actually has one win with Zackray right after release ( also probably worse than Sephiroth, he also had top players trying him and failing to make him work really well, to the point where I'm pretty sure only Kameme still plays him )
Ned also play PT
I used to main Corrin so moving to Sephiroth was basically like moving from big sword to biggest sword but you can get away with way less
"sephiroth has bad frame data"
shulk mains:
"first time?"
I love watching ur videos in the morning. I really respect your knowledge of competitive smash bros.
as a Seph main i completely agree with this. great video
down b, nair, jab, retreat, they are your OOS options
@@elyasshussain5988 retreat is the best option and it doesn’t even work half the time lol
As a former Sephiroth main myself using him day 1 here’s how I would balance him with out over killing it 1. I would have him a bigger nair just so that his out of shield isn’t as bad as well as making it two frames faster and adding a bit of weight around 2ish more
Exactly my thinking. Though a bit more weight than that, and also 1 more active frame to N-Air.
There are characters that are far more overwhelming than Sephiroth who deserve to be lighter than he is, it's so strange.
Min-Min, Sonic, and Cloud are way more overwhelming than Sephiroth even on his best days and yet they are defensively way more powerful than he will ever be.
@@heartnet40 yeah I feel like clouds OOS especially is one of if not the best in the game, characters should not have both a huge kill move and a huge damage-racking move oos. And this is coming from a cloud main lol
@@heartnet40 It's gotten to a point where you can easily see how biased the devs were with certain characters lol
@@heartnet40 Sephiroth is kinda similar to Mega man is that their spacing characters with a sliding Down tilt, Which is helpful when you need to attack Quickly. They also have an explosive Side B. The difference is that while Mega man is safer, Sephiroth is far more powerful.
As a Sephiroth Main he's still a really fun character even if no one uses him but at least FINAL FANTASY 7 finally got the representation it deserved more songs another stage spirits and FINAL FANTASY 7 Mii Costumes Sephiroth is also the reason why I even got into smash bros in the first place if he hadn't got in I probably wouldn't be playing this game he also requires a lot of patience and skill smash players are a bit to impatient and don't have a lot of skill with him I'm also glad Sephiroth finally won a Major
I have noticed that the wing activating has saved me, I won’t have wing yet but the blast zone will do a single bit of damage, activating my wing, and halting my movement (or at least slowing it) after being hit at high percents
Sephiroth is probably my favorite character in smash, he's just a well designed character, hes powerful but frail , and much like a boss can take you in just a couple of hits, but if you know how to avoid them he leaves big openings that allow you to kill him early
Agreed, I love his design for exactly the same reasons. If you've got the mental leg up on your opponent, he absolutely dominates.
I really wanted seph to success more than the other fp2 and I got the exact opposite
Having super armor on one wing absolutely changes him that and an extra jump for survivability is a comeback mechanic. It's just hard midnset when fighting Rushdown to be committed to just super armoring through them and hitting with moves that if whiff you're toast. But that's sort of the point of a comeback mechanic.
one Winged Angel additions:
20% Knockback and Damage Resistance
his Jab is turned into a forward stab from his handle, then a Kick, then the Masume Slash.(comes out quicker)
neutral Air's Coverage is increased and he realses a fiery dark energy.
Masume is inflamed granting his Stab attacks additional Coverage and dealing additonal damage.
when Up Special is just pressed sephiroth Slashes upward, then slashes upside while he's held in place.( in the air it keeps him floating and he gains one jump)
It’s actually crazy how the dev team went from building STEVE ATO Sephiroth to PYRA/MYTHRA
there def wasn’t any thing suspicious going on in there…
Who's ATO?
No, they didn't add Amogus.
@@aneasteregg8171 It's confirmed that Amogus was inspired by (The Thing). That's the problem when I think of Sci-fi Horror in Video games, I think of Metroid. So Amogus wouldn't standout compared to Ridley.
It breaks my heart to see the most badass (and the first ever) villain DLC character I've ever seen join smash get treated so miserably by the meta. I like how he plays, he's very fun...until you fight a good top tier main. I don't know what the devs were thinking when they designed his moveset to be so polarizing, at least make him as good as Cloud so he can actually keep the rivalry going between them idk
The Developers are probably just tired of sword characters or they don't like Sephiroth
@@SamuelJohnsonYT Villains in Smash are usually some of the hardest characters to balance. Sephiroth's feels like a high risk, high reward character, where you can't afford to make mistakes when taking advantage of his power.
@@orangeslash1667 yeah true
He's still a high tier character with like 3 top player reps.
Then you have to ask why did they make pyra mythra so braindead easy to play and do well with and so annoying
How to fix Sephiroth in Ultimate ? Nair frame 5 / Increase weight a bit / Keep One Wing when opponent die (like joker keeps arsene and cloud keeps limit)
1:52 That Background Mod Is Sweet!
I feel like this episode of "why no one plays this character" feels more like a "why doesn't everyone play this character" for Sephiroth considering him having top player who play him like Tweek, Ken, and Ned but it's the playerbase sizes that determine who is featured on the next "why no one plays" episode. What it might come down to for the characters with average sized playerbases like Mario, or Fox, even Samus
If they just increased his weight he'd be so good
He needed more than just a increase in his weight
2 important things I didn't see you talk about but you did make amazing points.
1. His counter doesn't need anything to hit it for it to do damage and sometimes does better for a shield since he has no good shield counter. Although it too leaves you wide open in every other direction.
2. His N smash when properly timed is a great edgeguard tool. At maximum charge for slow recovery like kirby has so many frames, although short range, that shielding it is death and it can't be I-framed with the edge or dodges with it's massive area. The charge time and distance make it an issue though for characters with blinks. I have a tough time with Zelda since she can blink past the edge right on me, block range with her soldier, or deflect any range making a hilarious self inflicted out.
Sephiroth is my main since he been released and honestly his glass cannon all of nothing approach made him so much fun with his ability to just destory someone
do you intend to cover all characters? I'd like to see one episode on a character really NOBODY plays, like Duck Hunt, for example
I would really enjoy a “Why no one plays Link” episode. From what I’ve seen, he is a very uncommon character despite having some very good attributes. I’d like to hear your thoughts on why he’s as underused as he is.
He already made one
@@sonnycollins9285 Not really. He made about Ike. Link is indeed an intriguing one, specially considering it used to be kinda popular pre-virus.
About his bomb recovery many knows that if Link attempts to use it, If it can be usefully or risk losing when times if players always know when it not only happens as he tries to make it back to the stage!
@@derrickdavis3888WHAT
bro hit me with the "IVE BEEN SAVING THIS ONE!"
thanks vars i now can watch greninja and sephiroth video whenever i want!
Sephiroth is perfect for doubles battles, and is GREAT at pressuring an opponent that isn't good at getting off the back foot. If he starts dominating, it can be very hard for a lot of people to take back the aggro.
I absolutely love sephiroth's playstyle though, hes like the ultimate zoner, not because he can camp you out for daus, but because you need to have god-like spacing to play him well, and when you do play him well, its soooooo fucking good
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I main Sephiroth, he's the only character I've ever mained as I'm 2 years in to Smash. EDIT - that said, I think Sephiroth is one of the most perfectly balanced characters I've ever seen in a competitive game. The handful of extremely powerful and easy-to-use options he has are near-perfectly counter-balanced by his weaknesses, and he embodies the actual origin character to a T.
Sephiroth is a glass cannon where - if you have a mental advantage over your opponent - he hits like a truck and can't be punished much. But - if you don't fear him and choose to exploit his weaknesses, he completely falls apart. It's perfect design.
As a sephiroth main I’m glad this is finally being talked about it is tough af being a sephiroth main especially in elite
Thanks for the vid :) Seph was my main and bow I’m practicing spacing with other cast members because smash happens
I'm surprised you haven't done a video on why no one plays Marth yet. I mean, it's pretty obvious why no one plays Marth, but it's also obvious why no one plays Ganondorf, yet he has a video talking about him.
Finally thank you vars, I've been waiting for this! As a sephiroth main I hope he gets some more support from other players
Another great video, really appreciate the time into editing all the clips of training mode and matches to give the script some real life - so easy to follow and just super enjoyable. But man your mic is terrible, the audio pops waaay to much, your try turning down the volume but that makes your voice barely audible. Your videos are still worth going through ear hell tho
Good video. I’ve been a Sephiroth fan since his first game. I main him and love it. Most of the points given here are spot on. He does have one good out of shield weapon if people are jumping in deep on his shield. That’s foot stool dair out of shield. It’s a shame that the top players that use him haven’t mastered this tech though. That makes it completely understandable why VARs III didn’t mention the tech.
Sephiroth main here. I know of all the weaknesses (believe me, I have felt them) and don't really know why I started maining him, but I'm not going to stop because there's nothing like instantly breaking a shield with down smash then killing at 0 with Gigaflare.
I'm sure that even with all the inconveniences Sephiroth is still top 25 in terms of usage; lower than expectations but rather high because he's such a good secondary. That being said, Cloud is better overall but the video should be "Why no one SOLO MAINS" because that's the kind of character Sephiroth is, popular pocket pick, unpopular solo main.
I mean partly that's because by the time he was released the game had been out like two years, people already had mains with thousands of hours of playtime so they might dabble in the new characters but they aren't going to throw all that experience and practice with their tried-and-tested away. Even with the "busted" FP2 characters, we still see Riddles bringing out the Terry quite often, ditto Shuton still regularly using Olimar in bracket.
He's doesn't really beat the top meta character
Sephiroth countering swordies is the Smash Bros equivalent of "and if that don't work, use more gun."
Those couple of matches against Nairo in his iron man was tuuuuffff my guy! Was rooting for you and your redemption the whole time lol
Looks and Feels like a super Heavy Weight. Slow Startup, long Range, mediocre Combos, Defensive Utility (Counter, Hyper Armor, Priority) got balanced around beeing at a weight of 79. Wich is litterally the same weight as Pikachu. And he feels like Link and Min Min (both of 104)
It's a reference to the end of FF 7 where Cloud kills Sephiroth in one.
I second Sephiroth.
For me, Sephiroth is at least a good character. Shadow Tag is a great move to use in neutral, disadvantage, and advantage.
Good recovery. Range of course. And power.
My problem with Sephiroth is that he’s too light. WHY DID THEY MAKE HIM LIGHT?!? Dying as Sephiroth is really frustrating because 99% of the time, it feels undeserved. Sephiroth just dies too soon. You’ll be playing well and all the sudden you die to Roy forward b at 80% center stage. 😑
They need to make him heavier. Also if they should change it to where Sephiroth keeps his wing until he dies.
Mewtwo has the very same problems minus the comeback mechanic
I’m genuinely pleased that Sephiroth is just…pretty good! Not busted so people aren’t pissed about him in competitive and not awful so he’s functional in the meta. He has issues like most characters should. I think he is a perfectly good adaptation for the character in this game
You made the right call to have the choir sing Sephi’s name at the start of the video xD
I don’t what that Vars is on about, a lot of people play Seph, he’s not the most played character ever but there are enough top level reps combined with solid high level reps to justify not saying “not one plays him”
Is there really though?
Only 3 people really use him.
@@user-be3qc7re9o At top level, which is average for high tiers.
"Seph has poor close range and oos options."
Dedede: "First time?"
Hey Vars, I really enjoy these videos. I'd love to see you make one about my main, Corrin, at some point!
My 2 mains are puff and Sephiroth. There is something very cathartic about finally being the one with the sword
can u do why nobody plays pit next?
He looks cool though
Well as a sephiroth secendary I can very much understand all of these points, great video
8:23 Well Said.
Ah yes, my main. Sephiroth can do some pretty stupid stuff and still win by virtue of his strength, but he is really hard to play for the reasons you mentioned😅 I think if there was one thing that could help him the most, it would be making him a mid weight, I think a lot of people can use his move set the way it is but sometimes he’ll die before getting wing. That would make my life so much easier and would make him a little more forgiving to play.
Dying before wing or immediately after getting it 😮💨 not to mention he doesn't really have fast moves outside of his short press up special, down air, and sliding kick. Most people just smack me mid swing if they get close lmao
@@decidueyezealot8611 Sephiroth truly is a great contrast to Cloud. Of course Cloud is safer than Sephiroth in terms of being offensive. However Cloud can easily be edge guarded if he doesn't have full charge. Sephiroth on the other hand has a less linear recovery. So as long as Sephiroth is very patient and knowing when to use neutral air, zoning, or Spacing attacks, he doesn't have to approach the opponent as much as Cloud. Meaning that Sephiroth can rival Cloud in surviving.
Nair, Jab, Down B, ShieldRetreat@@decidueyezealot8611
People play Sephiroth, they just don’t get good results, lmao
Great vid on my main, and I’m trying to pick up greninja as a secondary, what do you think of there ,at hip coverage? 14:08
you're good at explaining things man
I wonder how far Leo can take seph if he mained him for awhile 😮
Leo himself said that he believes that he can win Majors with Sephiroth, but he has too many characters to manage as is.
@@user-be3qc7re9o He has right now, IDK, 5? Between Joker, Aegis, Byleth, Marth, R.O.B and I'm maybe forgetting something; his strategy to be the very best is to be the god of neutral and be your average LoL top laner and couterpick you hard. I'm sure he would have picked Sephiroth if he didn't have Byleth or the Aegis.
@@N12015 It's funny you say that, since Leo indeed acknowledged that he would use Sephiroth if Byleth wasn't there.
Ever since Sephiroth got in, I've mained him by heart cause I'm a sucker for FF7. My only issue with him is he's got a lot of end lag on his special moves. I haven't been to a tournament in a while, but you'll occasionally see a Cloud VS Sephi match once & a while
This video showcased Seph's general weaknesses well. I can actually use this to play better against Sephiroth players... As someone who faces a lot of them online, I can say that Sephiroth's biggest weakness is his weight. MY GOSH I can kill him soooo early with Corrin or Marth's tipper smash attacks.
Sephiroth is definitely popular regardless, though. People just don't always place well with him (which is fair).
What I REALLY want to see is a "Why No One Plays Corrin" video. I know why, but I want to see it regardless.
Glad you hit on the meta characters Sephiroth does well vs. For a long time now I've been theorizing the best secondaries for Ridley in the current meta, and it seems like Sephiroth is a strong candidate for the role. Might be that Sephiroth ends up being the ideal secondary for a lot of low tiers actually.
why specifically for ridley
@@spicymeatballs2thespicening Ridley is my main and the character whose flaws I am the most familiar with. And a lot of those flaws apply to other low tier characters too
@@Sketch_XR A lot of villains in Smash feel more like playable boss fights than characters. Their attacks are very strong, but also very committal or in Sephiroth's case, very precise.
Seph is a 1 to 1 copy of what he is in FF7. A boss fight. His strengths can completely put someone on lockdown. His wing hardly comes but if you don’t do it fast enough you are doomed, feels like a complete boss fight.
Being a Sephiroth main myself, I am simultaneously offended and also completely agreeing with this video. Good job
i do agree with most of the video and like the analogy of "defensive glass cannon", I'm surprised you didn't mention Sephiroth's other out-of-shield option, footsool into dair. Its not the best by any means, situational even, but its much appreciated when you dont have option for anything else while also being a kill move.
Tbh I'd see that failing more often than succeeding, outside of exact situations your more likely to get hit trying that than actually land it.
@@decidueyezealot8611 its a knowledge check. Some landing aerials can be punished by simply holding shield, and others by parrying. But its a reliable option once you know where and when to use it. Its like how utilt is also situational with its extremely tall and skinny hitbox, but when you find those moments its clutch u.u
@@jjoshin_ Sephiroth is kinda similar to Mega man is that their spacing characters with a sliding Down tilt, Which is helpful when you need to attack Quickly. They also have an explosive Side B. The difference is that while Mega man is safer, Sephiroth is far more powerful.
That Sephiroth into was Hard asf ! Especially the theme remix.
I honestly thought more people played him. there goes my main :((
They do use him he is 14th in results currently
@@Sergio-wc1wn Yeah, in results.
Not actual playerbase.
@@user-be3qc7re9o player base wise the last time that was recorded he was in 1.6% to 2% of regional pr’s. Other character in that range include Fox, Mario, Min Min, and Samus
@@Sergio-wc1wn I see.
I have been waiting for this video for a while. I have been trying to explain to people why Sephiroth is overrated, and the points in the video are what I have been trying to tell people. Another thing about him is that he can struggle to kill if he does not hit you with his sweet spots.
I agree, but also of course the person with the Cloud Strife profile picture says "Sephiroth is overrated" lol
Wait you even say you're a Cloud main on Smash in your profile description? That just makes it even better LMAO
He might not be played much in tourney's... But, he is VERY common in low gsp quick play.. I played like 3 ina row eariler today.
5:37 Cool Shield Idea.
but...I play Sephiroth.
It's just a clickbait title to talk about competitive players only and incite guys like you to comment this and promote the algorythm
@@s.a.k.i7768 it's not clickbait, it's just hyperbole to accentuate the fact that very few people play the character, or that it isn't popular in the meta.
@@gladiationatior7801 And it fails if you visited any sort of statistics for the game. Is top 20 at worst and more popular than Ness if I remember correctly. I guess he just got frustrated when trying to play him like Cloud.
@Gladiationatior Only in competitive set. A lot of casual and online players still play him a lot,he's not a character like Rosalina or Ice Climbers you barely ever see.I can't consider that "hyperbole" is that far from the truth, even when it's not taken literally.
But if you already knew that,why did you comment it like you didn't know?
@@s.a.k.i7768 Well, it was supposed to be a joke. Like, "but I play Sephiroth 😢" because obviously it's not like LITERALLY 0 people play Sephiroth or anything, just metaphorically.
I swear this must be a joke video or your just referring to other countries cause I see as much Sephiroth players as I do kazuya and pyra/mythra
This is talking about in Competitive Play.
i play sephiroth a lot and the issues ive found with him is yeah his up close attacks are all generally pretty weak and all his powerful attacks are super slow and take a long time to charge up, with a lot of risk. against many opponents, his long reach and spells can blast lots of distracted opponents away and he can rank up kills very quickly. in one on one fights though, especially against much faster opponents, its easy to get over whelmed when they run in and start comboing. im not the best player though, so im sure theres ways to mitigate some of his weaknesses better.
Sephiroth is my second favorite character in this game behind Wolf since I co-main them.
I will never understand why ssbu was obsessed with suicide dives. They NEVER workes
Well the down air was more meant as a ledge guard spike from on stage but falling off the side is very easy
This is the character where the move is the most warranted, you could take out all the rest but it fits for Seph. He literally does it in one of the most famous parts of his home game
@@Hi-fd4cw I nicknamed the move "the waifu slayer"
Tifa’s better, don’t @ me
Nah suicide dives are cool
Biggest reason to play sephiroth is that he beats Kazuya easily, and has a good matchup against Steve
That's a big lie.
@@user-be3qc7re9o huh? Sephiroth does extremely well against Kazuya and Steve the best counter pick to them. What game are u playing??
@@Ericspil790 "Sephiroth does extremely well against Kazuya and Steve."
You telling me that's not a lie?
If that were the case we would have seen Ken winning against Acola on a consistent basis but he isn't.
Heck, Ned has yet to properly take a game off of Riddles' Kazuya using Sephiroth.
@@user-be3qc7re9o wrong
@@NoName-zh1jz Then show me proof of where I am wrong.
What’s the name of the music you can hear at 13:38?
I beat all my friends as sephiroth, honestly playing him is literally making your move at the right time. In my eyes it's like playing Vergil in devil may cry