Saucony Endorphin Pro 4 Vs Mizuno Wave Rebellion Pro 2 | Which carbon plate racer should you buy?

The Saucony Endorphin Pro 4 follows the hugely popular Endorphin Pro 3 and adds a new dual-density midsole foam. That midsole combines a top layer of the bouncier PWRRUN HG foam used in the Endorphin Elite with a bottom layer of PWRRUN PB used in the Endorphin Pro 3. Saucony has also added a new sockliner into the shoe to add even more bounce to the ride.
The Wave Rebellion Pro 2 is a race shoe that Mizuno says is designed for elite-level runners aiming to get a sub-2-and-a-half hour marathon time. Like the Wave Rebellion Pro, it features one of the most noticeable shapes to be found in super shoes, with the bulk of the midsole foam positioned in the centre of the shoe.
Tom has been testing the shoes out to see how they compare.
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[@jam-ov2fk]

How are both these on the bouncy front? A lot of the new versions of carbon appear to be firming up according to the reviews. I like a seriously bouncy runner. Cartoonishly so. Whats the current best bet?

[@Amariths1]

You mention that the mizuno would not be great for people that need stability, what would be in these shoe categories?

[@PenckOG]

I would recommend the NB SC Elite V4.

[@adamrush5729]

Saucony Pro 3 is one of my favorite shoes ever, the 4 however is an insult to the 3.
Gives almost nothing back imo compared to the 3.
Used it in a half and def won't be using it for a full marathon. Feels more like the pro 1 in the forefoot on landing to me.
All I wanted was the Pro 3 with an update to the outsole and upper.
This is nothing like the 3 imo.
Laces are terrible and the upper bunches up in the front for me.

[@bradleyhenry1996]

Any input for the Asics gel pulse models ?