I’ve worked on car engines since I was 14, I’ll be 69 in a couple days. I worked in several auto machine shops in the 1970’s. This is one of the coolest engine projects I’ve seen. 👍🏼 Whoever wins that Duster is going to have one hell of a car!
Did you just dream this up? I think it’s cool as hell old, and new tech put together for a great sounding engine, I don’t remember if Derrick said you dynoed or not, so I’ll just shut up, and continue watching!
Nice work, I am 64, hot rod blood love my Mopars but have played with them all over the years, this a really cool motor build reminds me of the 1977 stock car engine that is super hard to find they were kits from Mopar Performance 355 stroker, i still think I would have used an old-style poly 318 cranks forged cranks little heavy and yes the machine work is never fun but worth it . cant wait for number
I'll never forget driving in my friend's early 70's duster that he inherited from his dad, it had something insane like 600k kilometers on it on the original engine, which smoked, but it still drove with minimal maintenance... 600k... original motor
I thought when you put a bigger crank in something you needed shorter rods. How does this work with slightly longer rods and a stroker crank? I never was that good at math.
absolutely amazing stuff that you all did for Derek and i get it he does a lot for Others. I've been watching him for years and don't try to talk to him other than leave an occasional public comment on one of his posts. If i lived closer id go too his events and meet him personally then!! It's awesome you got to do something for him and holy cow you all did more than just a little something. Im going to try and buy some stuff off his merch site on the 3rd as i get my check then but ill try and get a few tickets for the duster give away as id love to have one of your motors. ive been doing body work and paint for 40 yrs and can fix the duster rite back upand hey i help derek with his razor blade trick for the clear run removal!!!!! he almost as it,he only needs to lput one wrap of 3/4 tape around the very end of each side of the razor blade to protect from the edge of the blade digging into the clear.. thank you all for the many hours to make and edit the great vjdeo and give us and the lucky new owner of the duster a little insight on what all went into the custom,one of one bullet in between the frame rails of the Duster!!!! Thank you again sirs!!!!!!!
Very cool! On the print out at the top under comments ,its noted detonation likely, piston speed extremely high......would this not be a good combination ? I understand the requirement for good parts .What piston speed would be considered too high? excellent channel !
Depends on the combination of parts, but on the higher end stuff, 5500 ft/min is about normal. And the detonation just means it is running on the border of knock to make the most power.
The ramp rates on Hughes cams are very nice for a hft, they may not have the roller or the ability to run a non zddp oil but they're effective. Remember not Mopar guy .904 is the lifter diameter for Mopar that allows for more than Chevy and Ford which is better than Chevy to get away with on cam ramp designs
,,, the Viper rods need a generous radius on that sharp edge around the pin bore, and if the bushings are out for any reason also a light radius in the i.d. ,,, !
I am going to be working on a 5.2L(318) Magnum for my 99 Dodge Ram. Are the rods the typical 6.123 rods or 6.221 rods? What is the pistons part number?
Do you have an exact part number for the pistons you are using? Google isn't coming up with anything. An exact part number for the rods would be cool too. Thank you in advance.
I don't think the piston is listed in their catalog, so it won't show up. If you want a set, I can get you some. I honestly don't know the PN for the rods, because they come out of the motors we rebuild. I can get you a set of those also if you want.
I get the idea of the viper rods as they are lighter and probably stronger, than the old 318 stuff. But here's an interesting alternative, Chevy 5.7" connecting rods. Why would i consider shortening the Rod? Because you can offset grind the crank to the chevy 5.7 rod size and lose nothing on the piston height (same exact piston pin height) while getting a higher stroke Making this thing a real grunt machine. I have heard of this being used in some circle track builds, my machinist used it for a season and said it was wicked but too torquey, and it's considered a budget stroker build for a lot of mopar faithful
The viper rods are 6.221 in length. You would have to offset grind the crank .260" in order to make up the difference in rod length. I think you might have misplaced a 0 somewhere, but I like where your head is at!
@@paragonengines1924, Did not catch the fact that the viper Rods were longer, sorry about that. I know the LA rods are also over 6" (6.125 to be exact i think), did not realize the vipers were even longer, Sorry about that. I do know that as far as stock length LA rods this has been done, even on a cast crank with a little heat treating. My mentality in my suggestion is using as many stock parts as possible while gaining max increases and power. This way if something does happen, it's relatively easy to get replacement parts
Why not call it a 350 Mopar? Chevy people run around promoting 383 Chevys. I am less a fan of calling it an LS 318. Given its been bored and stroked and really no longer a 318 anyways why not call it a 350 Mopar? If its done right it will eat most any 350 or 383 Chevy for breakfast lunch and Dinner with stock head castings on them and even some with aluminum heads.
That wouldn't really be a duplicate, and would require a 360 block. If I had to shoot from the hip, $14,000 from the ground up with no parts provided. If you are serious, I can send you a formal quote, just send me an email.
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I’ve worked on car engines since I was 14, I’ll be 69 in a couple days. I worked in several auto machine shops in the 1970’s. This is one of the coolest engine projects I’ve seen. 👍🏼
Whoever wins that Duster is going to have one hell of a car!
Sometimes you just need to try something different! Thank you!
Have you seen the Tall Garage videos on building a 300 Ford six with LS heads welded together?
@@daledavies2334 it’s been on my feed, but I haven’t watched it yet. I will check it out!👍🏼
‘54? Man what a time to be alive. Especially in the 70s & 80s
@paragongarage, nice job !
Thanks!
That computer program is awesome
I like it!
Excellent video. Hope to see more
Thank you! Will do!
Just when you think you've seen everything , along comes Paragon Garage on your youtube suggestion feed ..... Great content
Thank you!
Paragon engines, hats off to you this engine build is going to be such a treat for whomever wins the car. Mighty fine work.
It should be a nice runner for whoever gets it!
That motor in the Duster is going to be a scary-fast beast, but good (but rowdy) on the street.
That's the hope!
I've been waiting for these videos. I watch Vice Grip
Awesome!
Dude this is awesome! Thanks for sharing
You bet!
Did you just dream this up? I think it’s cool as hell old, and new tech put together for a great sounding engine, I don’t remember if Derrick said you dynoed or not, so I’ll just shut up, and continue watching!
No dyno yet. It was an interesting project!
Subbed . . . I gotta see how this turns out.
Thank you!
Looking forward to part three!
Awesome!
Nice work, I am 64, hot rod blood love my Mopars but have played with them all over the years, this a really cool motor build reminds me of the 1977 stock car engine that is super hard to find they were kits from Mopar Performance 355 stroker, i still think I would have used an old-style poly 318 cranks forged cranks little heavy and yes the machine work is never fun but worth it . cant wait for number
There are some cool old parts out there from back in the day!
Honey hole in wa state Howard recking Columbia River only recking yard grandfathered no fence if he has half of what he did last I was there wow
I'll never forget driving in my friend's early 70's duster that he inherited from his dad, it had something insane like 600k kilometers on it on the original engine, which smoked, but it still drove with minimal maintenance... 600k... original motor
sounds like a runner!
Do we get to see more before Derek finishes the duster
More of the engine?
That software looked like it really helped to match up all those different components 👍
Really the only way to go about it!
Really interesting those rocker arm stands are really neat.
Thank you!
I thought when you put a bigger crank in something you needed shorter rods. How does this work with slightly longer rods and a stroker crank? I never was that good at math.
Shorter, lighter piston make up the difference!
An awesome build was this for Derek with vice grip
Yep!
absolutely amazing stuff that you all did for Derek and i get it he does a lot for Others. I've been watching him for years and don't try to talk to him other than leave an occasional public comment on one of his posts. If i lived closer id go too his events and meet him personally then!! It's awesome you got to do something for him and holy cow you all did more than just a little something. Im going to try and buy some stuff off his merch site on the 3rd as i get my check then but ill try and get a few tickets for the duster give away as id love to have one of your motors. ive been doing body work and paint for 40 yrs and can fix the duster rite back upand hey i help derek with his razor blade trick for the clear run removal!!!!! he almost as it,he only needs to lput one wrap of 3/4 tape around the very end of each side of the razor blade to protect from the edge of the blade digging into the clear.. thank you all for the many hours to make and edit the great vjdeo and give us and the lucky new owner of the duster a little insight on what all went into the custom,one of one bullet in between the frame rails of the Duster!!!! Thank you again sirs!!!!!!!
I appreciate your recognition!
The speed master head is basically a j head with a magnum style combustion chamber there pretty good out of the box.
Very cool! On the print out at the top under comments ,its noted detonation likely, piston speed extremely high......would this not be a good combination ? I understand the requirement for good parts .What piston speed would be considered too high? excellent channel !
Depends on the combination of parts, but on the higher end stuff, 5500 ft/min is about normal. And the detonation just means it is running on the border of knock to make the most power.
I'm not a mopar guy but im excited to see the results. Too bad a hydraulic roller wasn't in the budget.
Same, just how to cookie crumbles sometimes.
The ramp rates on Hughes cams are very nice for a hft, they may not have the roller or the ability to run a non zddp oil but they're effective. Remember not Mopar guy .904 is the lifter diameter for Mopar that allows for more than Chevy and Ford which is better than Chevy to get away with on cam ramp designs
Magnum factory roller
,,, the Viper rods need a generous radius on that sharp edge around the pin bore, and if the bushings are out for any reason also a light radius in the i.d. ,,, !
Got it! Thanks!
I want the 3.31 stroke in a 360 bore...
She would rev!
I am going to be working on a 5.2L(318) Magnum for my 99 Dodge Ram. Are the rods the typical 6.123 rods or 6.221 rods? What is the pistons part number?
6.123 is stock. the piston is a custom build.
Do you have an exact part number for the pistons you are using? Google isn't coming up with anything. An exact part number for the rods would be cool too. Thank you in advance.
I don't think the piston is listed in their catalog, so it won't show up. If you want a set, I can get you some. I honestly don't know the PN for the rods, because they come out of the motors we rebuild. I can get you a set of those also if you want.
Pro Comp cylinder heads? Very avarage castings, read soft and the seats fall out.
I would agree with you 10 years ago. Who ever is doing the casting and machine work on these heads, is not the same as procomp.
Do mopar pistons usually stick up .040 at tdc?
Not to my knowledge.
Would the stands work on a on magnum heads ,magnums are factory roller motors that would be a cool upgrade
From what I hear, yes. I haven't had a set in front of me to say for sure.
@paragonengines1924 is this something ,your in touch with a patten lawyer ,so I could be produced at scale ,
@@adamreynolds1851 I would have to sell quite a few of these to merit a patent. I don't believe the scale is there.
@paragonengines1924 sell it to Holly I think it would catch on in kit form 500 to 800 ,kit would be well worth it as a upgrade for small block mopar
I get the idea of the viper rods as they are lighter and probably stronger, than the old 318 stuff. But here's an interesting alternative, Chevy 5.7" connecting rods. Why would i consider shortening the Rod? Because you can offset grind the crank to the chevy 5.7 rod size and lose nothing on the piston height (same exact piston pin height) while getting a higher stroke Making this thing a real grunt machine. I have heard of this being used in some circle track builds, my machinist used it for a season and said it was wicked but too torquey, and it's considered a budget stroker build for a lot of mopar faithful
The viper rods are 6.221 in length. You would have to offset grind the crank .260" in order to make up the difference in rod length. I think you might have misplaced a 0 somewhere, but I like where your head is at!
@@paragonengines1924, Did not catch the fact that the viper Rods were longer, sorry about that. I know the LA rods are also over 6" (6.125 to be exact i think), did not realize the vipers were even longer, Sorry about that. I do know that as far as stock length LA rods this has been done, even on a cast crank with a little heat treating. My mentality in my suggestion is using as many stock parts as possible while gaining max increases and power. This way if something does happen, it's relatively easy to get replacement parts
@@paragonengines1924
Im also interested in ls rods for mopars? Stupid cheap
@@henrymeynier5072 You would have to regrind the crank for LS rods to work.
Got your work cut out for ya
Yep, we made it work!
So its after market mopar heads with a chevy oiling system
more or less...
So u can run the external balance dampener an flywheel with this ? I thought u had to get this crank externaly balance
We ran and internal balanced damper and flywheel. Because the rotating assembly was so light, we didn't need the extra weight outside the motor.
@@paragonengines1924 but could u just put on 360 flywheel an damper that ext balance an run this?
Sure, but you would have a bunch of weight to take out of the crank.
Is this a one and done or something you guys are gonna offer?
I don't really have plans to offer it, but with enough demand, it could come to life.
Funny those Viper rods look like Gen 4 Ls rods. Or I should say the Ls rods look like those lol. Which ever came first.
They are similar, but the LS did come first. Probably made by the same place.
I'm gonna roll the engine over...pushes button..brrrrrrr...😎👍
Smarter not harder!
Is this engine for the Vanishing Paint Challenger?
No it's for a giveaway car he's doing now
No, it's the Duster motor
Yep the old Dusty Duster
no, its for a duster. cannot remember the year though, its a recent video by VGG
I can verify it is for the duster.
,,, you sound like stapleton42, ,,, ?
Good guy, I'll take that as a complement!
ROFLMFAO!!!!! AUTO WATER INJECTION!!!!!!
Don't need it on this lil' street motor!
Why not call it a 350 Mopar? Chevy people run around promoting 383 Chevys. I am less a fan of calling it an LS 318. Given its been bored and stroked and really no longer a 318 anyways why not call it a 350 Mopar? If its done right it will eat most any 350 or 383 Chevy for breakfast lunch and Dinner with stock head castings on them and even some with aluminum heads.
Its just the name that stuck. But I will disagree that the stock heads that came on this motor wouldn't have done this motor any justice.
So to duplicate this engine, except going to a 408, how much?
That wouldn't really be a duplicate, and would require a 360 block. If I had to shoot from the hip, $14,000 from the ground up with no parts provided. If you are serious, I can send you a formal quote, just send me an email.