Un des rares philosophes à maîtriser l'anglais. Sa vision de l'homme mimétique et du bouc émissaire est très profonde et inégalée, mais surtout porteuse car décrit la société de tous les temps, d'où son extrême importance. Merci René Girard!!!
Yes, denial means negating instruction, authority, ownership, master ship of God/Son of God/Spiritual master. When we join the crowd, we deny just like peter. One can literally see how many times in a day we deny God & his Son by not being RIGHTEOUS. I personally feel incapable just like Peter. May Lord give me the power to follow him, his son in every moment. And seek blessings of all of you. Holy Supreme Personality of Godhead, Oh Lord; lead us not into temptation
@@jhonviel7381 I am no one..just menial servant of God. My wish is to serve supreme lord & his children in this life to fullest without any temptations
Comparing Peter's denial to Paul's revelation at Damascus and call it a 'second conversion' is certainly interesting and probably tells more about Girard's 'scapegoatism' than other sources.
I think it is also interesting how powerful the mob frames perception. If you don’t openly support Jesus in the face of torture and death, then you must want Jesus dead. Peter just didn’t want to die in a horrific way, but by him not defending jesus, it feels as if he is on the side of the mob that wants Jesus dead.
You can tell who hasn't read the Bible here. Not in a "churchy" theological way , but as a literary masterpiece. These philosophies are really biblical stories being instrumented and broken down through a relatively modern analytical view. Read your Bible kids, like analyzing an essay.
You are right, and he too is essentially saying that. There is fear and he is showing the mechanism behind that fear. Consider that it isn't just mere hostility, because it is something Jesus already warned him I'm particularly about. So Peter's denial is showing something to us and Girard is uncovering it in a sense
Sir i must ask both,how is it that cimmy knows renae with blond and peter know rannnnaaaaaaa but in a longview seeing WOW IS HE STILL WALKING UP THAT STREET U SAID CIMMMY HE WAS UR BOY FRIEND HOW DID MOMMA KNOW!??? PRAY ! GOTHCHA!!!!!
I always become to think that crowds came to conquer even if I am out of explanations when I explain there are a chain that is what god would want for land mass I daydream and see things that come to past in my life as I do what is the current modulation it is a time of appending God's as of right now. secrets are powerful but may we notice only_- that not all or the golden ones that send rebels arent true of the situation as it acts in perseverance
I think it is ridiculous to suggest that Peter was influenced by the youth of the woman to make his denial, as if in that situation his thoughts would in any way be concerned with that. He was surely terrified of suffering the same violence being inflicted on him as was being inflicted on his Lord. He was terrified of being crucified himself, and probably concerned for the well being of his wife and family. He was not moved by the youth of the woman or by the mob to have a hostility to Jesus. He did not adopt the attitude of the mob. He simply showed cowardice in his fear of suffering alongside his Lord. However, he later received the grace of God to be able to willingly suffer and die for Him.
@@mikeissjr The Gospels simply record the matter of fact that two persons, both maid or damsel, paidiske or korasion spoke to St Peter. What other words might the Gospel writer have used to describe those persons who spoke him? There is no ground for Girard's ridiculous insinuation that St Peter was motivated by anything other than concern not to suffer torture and death along with his Lord.
I disagree with his thinking on Africa. He states, Europe is highly intellectual, intelligent, and non primitive, as opposed to Africa. Archaic thought.
No one believes in god today? What rock does he live under? Of course most people follow what most people do. But this is precisely what makes them near-irrelevant. The crowd, in turn, follows the most charismatic, the most alive person around. This is a function of the independence of that leader's soul. The choice to think for oneself makes someone and his actions and ideas worth paying attention to, not the resignation and surrender Girard is stuck on. Anyway, it is philosophy begun midstream. What is the context, the foundation? We'll never know. Astounding that Peter Thiel looks up to this 4th rate philosopher.
Don't be arrogant. Read the Golden Bough and then a Girard reader and you'll get a firm grounding in his thought. This snippet assumes a familiarity with his thought. It would be like reading the "God is dead" homily and then making a judgement about Nietzsche's status as a philosopher. Drop the derision! Girard is a fantastic thinker!
I used to think Girard was on to something - now I just think his theories are a load of crap. Perhaps his arguments carried more weight when he was young, at a time when the only windows into human nature came from the humanities. But I'm afraid his approach is outdated. If we were to put his theories to the test with more rigorous tools such as surveys, lab tests or brain scans, I doubt his predictions would be confirmed.
His theories have been put to the test. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_neuron#Doubts_concerning_mirror_neurons You may not like his religious examples of anthropology but that is a different matter.
Also his methods and theories have absolutely nothing correlative with your beloved science nor do they need to be "proven" by it. Girard specializes in anthropology, psychology and researches of myths mainly, i really dont see how a "brain scan" of an archaic mythological text could prove anything here xD... A brain and common sense would be of bigger help.
This is mind bendingly brilliant.
I felt the same way...
“Peter’s denial is a more powerful explanation of what society is than any other text” 🤯 4:56
My left ear just loved it.....
Yes, it seems that Peter has cut off the right ear/speaker.
😂
@@haroldsikkema2655 best comment ever
@@haroldsikkema2655 Applause !
@@haroldsikkema2655 🤣
One of the most original thinkers of our era.
great talk. Thanks for sharing
Un des rares philosophes à maîtriser l'anglais. Sa vision de l'homme mimétique et du bouc émissaire est très profonde et inégalée, mais surtout porteuse car décrit la société de tous les temps, d'où son extrême importance. Merci René Girard!!!
He's incredibly more popular in the Americas than in France. I wonder why why why.
Yes, denial means negating instruction, authority, ownership, master ship of God/Son of God/Spiritual master. When we join the crowd, we deny just like peter. One can literally see how many times in a day we deny God & his Son by not being RIGHTEOUS. I personally feel incapable just like Peter. May Lord give me the power to follow him, his son in every moment. And seek blessings of all of you. Holy Supreme Personality of Godhead, Oh Lord; lead us not into temptation
who are you, Jerry Falwell?
@@jhonviel7381 I am no one..just menial servant of God. My wish is to serve supreme lord & his children in this life to fullest without any temptations
God bless you, pray for me.
Amen 🙏
Now I want to hear Rene Girard discuss Judas, perhaps the most enigmatic of the apostles.
Powerful!
Max Muller and several Jewish scholars claimed the Judgment of Solomon story was lifted from a Buddhist jataka
As with roughly 2 to 5% of UA-cam videos, there is sound in only one channel.
Bless you. You may have just ameliorated my forthcoming headphone experience.
Comparing Peter's denial to Paul's revelation at Damascus and call it a 'second conversion' is certainly interesting and probably tells more about Girard's 'scapegoatism' than other sources.
Could you reupload it with fixed audio? It's panned left and very low without great speakers. Making it mono and normalizing it would help!
Jus a colossal brilliance !
I think Peter cut off my right ear.
Great video. What is the date of this interview?
April 6th
2012
Unreal
They do say a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link....need I say more?😁
" I speak in parables "
" do not take these works as literal"
allegorical as the Kingdom of Heaven is within.
Can you cite chapter and verse?
03:28
I fell off the chair here slightly but I'm fine
when was it recorded?
quite french interpretation of weakness of a fallen man portrait
S'il vous plaît, dites-nous pourquoi vous appelez cela essentiellement français ?
I think it is also interesting how powerful the mob frames perception. If you don’t openly support Jesus in the face of torture and death, then you must want Jesus dead. Peter just didn’t want to die in a horrific way, but by him not defending jesus, it feels as if he is on the side of the mob that wants Jesus dead.
Deep 🎉
You can tell who hasn't read the Bible here. Not in a "churchy" theological way , but as a literary masterpiece. These philosophies are really biblical stories being instrumented and broken down through a relatively modern analytical view. Read your Bible kids, like analyzing an essay.
Parables 😂❤ got to be this way cause they got caught i got them in their CODE WORDS !who give who away???? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Call me shallow, but I think it's fairly obvious that Peter's denial is simply due to fear of the hostile crowd surrounding him.
You are right, and he too is essentially saying that. There is fear and he is showing the mechanism behind that fear. Consider that it isn't just mere hostility, because it is something Jesus already warned him I'm particularly about. So Peter's denial is showing something to us and Girard is uncovering it in a sense
Is this prescient or perhaps perpetual?..genius nonetheless!!!
Sir i must ask both,how is it that cimmy knows renae with blond and peter know rannnnaaaaaaa but in a longview seeing WOW IS HE STILL WALKING UP THAT STREET U SAID CIMMMY HE WAS UR BOY FRIEND HOW DID MOMMA KNOW!??? PRAY ! GOTHCHA!!!!!
I always become to think that crowds came to conquer even if I am out of explanations when I explain there are a chain that is what god would want for land mass I daydream and see things that come to past in my life as I do what is the current modulation it is a time of appending God's as of right now. secrets are powerful but may we notice only_- that not all or the golden ones that send rebels arent true of the situation as it acts in perseverance
I think it is ridiculous to suggest that Peter was influenced by the youth of the woman to make his denial, as if in that situation his thoughts would in any way be concerned with that. He was surely terrified of suffering the same violence being inflicted on him as was being inflicted on his Lord. He was terrified of being crucified himself, and probably concerned for the well being of his wife and family. He was not moved by the youth of the woman or by the mob to have a hostility to Jesus. He did not adopt the attitude of the mob. He simply showed cowardice in his fear of suffering alongside his Lord. However, he later received the grace of God to be able to willingly suffer and die for Him.
anselman if it didn’t matter, it wouldn’t be mentioned.
@@mikeissjr The Gospels simply record the matter of fact that two persons, both maid or damsel, paidiske or korasion spoke to St Peter. What other words might the Gospel writer have used to describe those persons who spoke him? There is no ground for Girard's ridiculous insinuation that St Peter was motivated by anything other than concern not to suffer torture and death along with his Lord.
Im not oaranoid now😂 liers liers is it gettin tobe diers! ? Gettin thick with ur lies is what im sayin!!!!!
I disagree with his thinking on Africa. He states, Europe is highly intellectual, intelligent, and non primitive, as opposed to Africa.
Archaic thought.
Are you sure that is what he says? Could you please listen to him again?
Parts of Africa "invented" the wheel in 2008
Pangu Yes.
_________________________ Africa invented the wheel. Not the Hyksos.
archaic yes, false? no.
About the power of crowds....read The Book of Mormon.
No one believes in god today? What rock does he live under?
Of course most people follow what most people do. But this is precisely what makes them near-irrelevant. The crowd, in turn, follows the most charismatic, the most alive person around.
This is a function of the independence of that leader's soul. The choice to think for oneself makes someone and his actions and ideas worth paying attention to, not the resignation and surrender Girard is stuck on.
Anyway, it is philosophy begun midstream. What is the context, the foundation? We'll never know. Astounding that Peter Thiel looks up to this 4th rate philosopher.
Don't be arrogant. Read the Golden Bough and then a Girard reader and you'll get a firm grounding in his thought. This snippet assumes a familiarity with his thought. It would be like reading the "God is dead" homily and then making a judgement about Nietzsche's status as a philosopher.
Drop the derision! Girard is a fantastic thinker!
Ironic the guy calling girard a phoney has a playlist of chakras and a reptillian shapeshifter. His videos are also pretty schizo.
@@epsilon3821😂💯🎯
The person in a crowd follows the people around them. What is you talking about? No one is a crowd knows who the leader is.
I used to think Girard was on to something - now I just think his theories are a load of crap. Perhaps his arguments carried more weight when he was young, at a time when the only windows into human nature came from the humanities. But I'm afraid his approach is outdated. If we were to put his theories to the test with more rigorous tools such as surveys, lab tests or brain scans, I doubt his predictions would be confirmed.
His theories have been put to the test. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_neuron#Doubts_concerning_mirror_neurons
You may not like his religious examples of anthropology but that is a different matter.
+Guilherme Kramer Did you read the next sentence? Cause if you had, you would see how I argue my point...
Thanks for turning me onto this, Ian! ua-cam.com/video/Xmx1qPyo8Ks/v-deo.html
A brilliant man who found Christ.
Also his methods and theories have absolutely nothing correlative with your beloved science nor do they need to be "proven" by it. Girard specializes in anthropology, psychology and researches of myths mainly, i really dont see how a "brain scan" of an archaic mythological text could prove anything here xD... A brain and common sense would be of bigger help.