I always thought that Peter Thiel was a very intelligent being, but didn't expect how much intellect and introspectiveness he portraits in this interview with a rather superior interviewer like Peter Robinson. What a pleasure this was to watch these two talking
Robinson is good, but Peter Thiel is one of my heroes. It is people like him that give me faith we will survive our impending doom. Mr. Robinson, I love simple questions. Ill answer these then listen to Peter. 43:36 So what path would you recommend to an 18 or 20 year old now? I would suggest they: * Pursue a path that places them in a position to earn good income. * Save in viable assets for the time. * Study Economics. * Learn an Instrument * Dont worry about the future, but be sure to study it. * Ditto for the past. You "Back to the Future" Comment on Progress made me think of a few oxymorons * Progressivism is not Progress * Socialism is Anti-social * Antifa are Fascist * Capitalism is just Markets Great Interview. Thanks again Stanford.
Peter Robinson is a phenomenal interviewer: he did an interview with Peter I believe years ago and has also interviews with Rene Girard. I can recommend his recent ones with Jim Mattis, VDH, David berlinsky, all of them with Thomas Sowell, Heather Macadonald
Fascinating interview and fascinating perspective on the Enlightenment. He’s certainly right that we live in a moment, or era-- when people don’t believe in the capacity to think, and therefore the capacity to change. We tend to treat one another-- and ourselves-- as beings who “are what we are” and nothing more. But this does not mean we cannot change for the better, only that we believe we cannot. These two are not the same.
The enlightment was not a movement opposed to religion, but the result of the printing press and questioning biased opinions in society represented by elitarian title positions no longer accepted as such like monarchy and that of the cathlic clergy. The reformation itself has also been part of that process as well as philosophy about economy, the state and being there.
Zero To One had an insane amount of wisdom in it but this is ehhhh The central thesis, that we no longer believe in the intellect and existence is more a matter of will just seems misaligned. The reason the value of rational thought/discourse is declining is because collectivist leftist ideology is dogmatic in nature, which means anti-thought. You are not allowed to conceive of a world that isn't about power structures, groups, and oppression. In this same world though, force of will is absolutely nullified, and there is a broad belief that individuals have no ability to change their own fate unless the WORLD changes rather than the INDIVIDUAL. There are a lot of holes in his argument, 6:55 in I can already say: >These days we amuse ourselves until we die, in the past we brutally worked/starved/suffered until we died - the romance of heroic feats and serious thought is just off >"Serious thought", politics, etc did not really exist in the past because everyone was struggling to survive and because of aristocracy/monarchy >The enlightenment promise was not to stop asking the most important questions, it was that we can answer those questions collaboratively using rational frameworks rather than religious dogmatism While I do agree with the exteriority/interiority contrast, I think it has less to do with politics/entertainment and more to do with increasing levels of self-centeredness and the rejection of an objective, shared, external reality that we are all bound and united by
Peter Thiel is always involved in esoteric and fairly narrow discussions with people that generally share his same point of view on too many things, resulting in dialogues that might as well be monologues. Would love to hear him talk to someone that pushes him a bit more, I think listeners would value those moments very much. Fascinating discussion, though.
Russia has always wanted to be Westernized (read Tolstoy and Dostoevsky), which is why admiration for Levi's, Kit-Kats, and Pepsi got them to adopt other Western habits like democracy. China has no desire to be Westernized. That is an important distinction.
A corollary insight regarding the development of the Enlightenment: "God" (i.e. Incarnate Presence) was updated to become an increasingly subjective and relative idea. So that now: for the religious and the irreligious alike, the matter is no longer that God (in Christ) is; the matter is how God is or is not apprehended. In this, God is first cheapened and then lost (in the church).
I don't quite agree that the Enlightenment convinced us not to ask deep and profound questions about the human condition (as Thiel claims); it merely directed us to ask questions about human nature through a non-religious lens. Morality ended up being examined from a secular perspective, as opposed to a religious one.
But, a la Descartes, it was an examination that began from nowhere - from a supposedly "unbiased" and "neutral" place. This is the conceit at the will to power of liberalism. It is foundational mythology proscribed from critique and question ("dogma" in its pejorative contemporary usage). It is nonsense.
So the Enlightenment scapegoated religion? That makes sense. The 30-Years-War, after all, was a war of the Hapsburgs vs. the Bourbons, not a war of religion (after all, Cardinal Richelieu, the champion of the Bourbons, subsidized Gustavus Adolphus, the champion of the Protestants).
Wow I had no idea that Thiel was so bright. I would be a great gift to the public if you listed books and other writings which are referred to in these talks. This is great! New vocabulary, new books. Love it. It is about time there was some type of intellectual conversation. So happy I found your UA-cam site...this was what I wanted when I went to college...and only had a sprinkle of this type of learning. But, I certainly have thought about these issues my entire life (it seems). It is very unfortunate that the liberal arts went out of fashion about the time I began college. My mind just eats this up! I could not agree more with Peter Thiel's final comment. Now for the future have Mr. Thiel on again to discuss how he envisions the physical world of the future. We seriously need dialogue about changing the agriculture system, and building cities to incorporate more of the natural environment. Perhaps mega cities are not the way to go at all. There must be a balance between humanity and nature..that is the big picture. Thank you. Just have to mention... very nice hair cuts gentlemen.
just seeing this i feel liek the information is rubbing off, i do not fully understand all they are talking about but it is fascinating i feel like my brain is getting a workout. thank you so much for this upload
I prefer Manifest Destiny in Space as the most charismatic and realistic foreseeable future. Three things: Cheap launch, zero-g 3D printers, asteroid mining. Boom -- off we go. =)
your mind is your own… when young you can be influenced by lot of things and for everybody's sake I hope it is always something good, because that stays even if you growing up your mind is seeking all new possibilities of all sorts of influences, but what has been given very young can have power to bring you back from every nasty brink of some wrong doing, even if it is done in mistake the power of your thoughts can turn it back… so in this way as you mature, your mind opens progresses if you allow it to or you embrace changes to being very open to what is what you want and how you would go about it. rest is just talks for talks sake. and allow only to get into your mind or turn your mind to what suits you, mindless propaganda , easily believing what is being put out there in terms of audio visuals need to be taken with some non belief, we have lot of villains in this world who try all sorts of nonsense to others, you just have to be skeptical and probe ask from your minds to what is now which doesn't seem normal , believe in your instincts rather then illusions.
Super-inward facing, because our society and economy extracts whatever it can from the individual ... where else do they have to look at but to re-assess where they personally are in the universe now that they know they have been lied to and screwed over by the people they put their trust in.
Things like this always make me want to yell at the screen. Like why not just say the answer: Rational Faith. Such faith is a mythical while logical repository of ultimate truth to be revered but never usurped by theocracy because it cannot be claimed, only striven for ("as God is my witness I declare or decree X", no you tool, you just swore, took the Lord’s name in vain, committed a profanity). And yet while the whole truth can never be claimed, bits of it can be discovered, shown to be true and those can be built upon and tested, which is what rationality is about.
www.ncronline.org/news/world/benedict-xvi-s-2006-regensburg-address-was-prophetic-cardinal-says I think this may be it? They linked to the 2006 address in article above. It's in the 1st paragraph. Enjoy.
Damn, 3 minute 18 seconds in, I find myself in the Thiel domain. Honestly I'd have everyone issued logic tests, cold dead logic tests, and everyone not able to pass a certain limit is not sufficiently human to have rights as such. Just because it outwardly looks human doesn't mean inwardly it lives up to proper criteria. I guess I'll have to read Girard myself. So many comments on Amazon attesting to difficulty. It can't be any much more difficult than Ayn Rand or Deleuze. Faith as a mechanism of extensibility atop reason...Thiel gets it. And I don't care what anyone says, the Berlin Wall coming down was symbolic of a Trojan Horse victory. Physically you won and a wall came down, but more extensively as wall came down and you were infiltrated. Peter Thiel has excellent insight but is not too good at future prediction.
Peter Thiel thinks that he is smart, but if he believes that VAT is a form of tariffs, I don't care if he's been to law school, he's just wrong. 33:42 for everyone. There are two types of measures: border measures, and behind the border measures. Border measures include "ordinary customs duties" which are, inter alia, tariffs, and "other duties and charges." Behind the border measures are all forms of national taxation. These two types of measures were established in the China-Auto parts case (para 158) as being mutually exclusive. Therefore, if Peter Thiel thinks that VAT is a tariff, he's wrong.
Time 5:42 "...libertarian...politics...how bad it is...cannot avoid it altogether..." When criminals fight over WHO gets to run the criminal organization the RULES are knowable as The Law of The Jungle, and as far as "government" is concerned, it does not exist, as the TRUTH about a place on earth where criminals enforce The Law of The Jungle is that the people are at Mixed War with Organized Criminals WHO are fraudulently claiming to be the defensive government. Mixed War is also called many other names throughout the history recorded by Organized Criminals attempting to keep humanity under the spell of Treasonous Fraud Parasitic Predation, or dumbing down the "slaves" (kidnap victims) so as to remove from the "slaves" (kidnap victims) the knowledge that is necessary and proper for the defense of humanity against the aggression and fraud of inhuman beasts. Parick Henry understood this very well as proven by his speeches on this subject matter. The "Song of that Siren" is "freedom from moral duty." It is a demonstrable fraud to suggest that someone can pay a criminal enough money to inspire the criminal to stop harming victims. The idea does not pass the laugh test in a MORAL mind that has not been kidnapped and tortured into submission with a constant bombardment of ever more ridiculous fraudulent statements. The movie Idiocracy is a parody of this phenomenon. Each violent act requires a mountain of lies covering it up. truthsocial.com/@Josf/posts/110271714220951342
Time 11:50 "...the central lie of the Enlightenment..." If the social contract is already written into human DNA by whatever POWER created humanity, then why would any one individual ever forget the CODE? Why would an individual example of humanity volunteer to turn oneself into an inhuman beast to then begin doing to others that which one would defend oneself against were anyone else daring to do the same, in the sunshine, to the emerging OUTLAW? Why hide? Why twist the meaning of en-LIGHT-enment into DARKNESS that goes so deep down into a Deep State of infantile irresponsibility? What is the pay-off? "In exchange for these acts of civility, the conqueror acquired some measure of sovereignty over the conquered peoples and, by way of compensation for the trouble to which he had been put in conquering them, was also entitled to a substantial share of the infidels' goods. Empire was always conceived..."religion and profit jump together." What is the pay-off for those choosing to voluntarily deceive victims into believing that the opposite of The Law of The Land is worthy of investment payments sent to organized criminals for the fraudulent benefits of mercy that organized criminals gave away in ORDER to pay their membership dues required to join the Cartel? Fake mercy for sale, as sold by the merciless. How much is it really worth if the cost of doing business is your own power of moral judgment? Pay the fraudulent ransom? truthsocial.com/@Josf/posts/110272573984061469
Time 2:02 "...weakness of the will and the power of the intellect..." Original sin qua non? Sine Qua Non "an essential condition; a thing that is absolutely necessary." Collectivism = blame anyone other than those responsible = freedom from prosecution = freedom from moral duty Individual responsibility = individual accountability = an individual demand for the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me = an individual supply of the truth If not the "original sin" blame humanity for the work of the followers of The Deceiver no matter how much evidence convicts the actual devils among US, so as to avoid ever having to do the right thing, such as take to a Court of Law all the evidence demanded by a lawful jury in a criminal case to protect and serve the people in a republic earning the title from enemies foreign and domestic, to lawfully justify a verdict and a remedy, then what? What is Peter Thiel intellectually on about? Weakness of the will can be groomed into a child soon after birth, so as to remove from a child the natural creative POWER of willing into being a path chosen exclusively by the child with only a minimal amount of "governing" done to make the child stumble from the best and brightest path that the child can create on their own authority to learn from their own successes and failures, with help avoiding catastrophes not obvious to children. Such as, Don't feed the Spirit Cooks To Serve Man. truthsocial.com/@Josf/posts/110265927744263918
Capture of network effects is the opiate of the elites. Peter would do well to advocate for replacement of taxes on economic activity with a single tax on liquid value of assets. As a billionaire he'd be not only advocating a policy that could reignite technical advance, he'd be buying valuable insurance in the event of a collapse. #highnoonpatriots
Can someone explain what Peter meant when he said “I always have a two word rebuttal to Roman Catholicism [the religion itself??] to all my conservative Catholic friends: Pope Francis”.
The Pope is an anti-capitalist, who nevertheless has no criticque for the size of the state, which must necessarily be large in order to fulfill Francis's wish list for the poor.
What if the sole focus on innovation done by capitalistic society is the thing that removed us from the real struggles on the ground. Perhaps a focus on helping those struggling will develop a society in which more people participate in the sciences that bring world changing innovation that this interview seems to prioritize. On a different note, tightening patent laws seems to be the main reason for the endorsement of trump. The argument exists that patent laws stifle innovations and the transmission of ideas for people to innovate from. He also seems to be saying innovation stopped in 1969.
Quoting a 14th century Greek Christian-Manuel Paleologus-whose whole world sat on the edge of destruction due to Turkish Islamic invasion just ain't cricket in the 21st century.
Time 11:34 "enlightenment is the myth of the social contract..." Rewriting meanings of words (fraud) by criminals (frauds) in order to gain an advantage over victims (of fraud) cause language to distort over time. If people share the meaning of the word defense in order to share all the work required in organized defense, then a criminal fraud will use the word defense as a False Flag during the criminal attack upon defenseless victims defrauded with the "Change" If the phenomenon known as the Enlightenment was a rejection of Collectivism by individuals no longer spellbound by criminals running National Religions and Nation-State Legal Fictions that counterfeit the original defensive human organic grass-roots natural law self-preservation DNA coded instincts that empower individual humans to stay alive despite all threats threatening humanity, then what could make people "CHANGE" back to paying the ransom to criminals after having once broken the spell? If the natural law determining the fate of humanity is a simple warrant born into each example of natural humanity for each to do unto each other only that which is welcome to be done to each by each one, a Golden Rule Social Contract, then why would anyone be inspired to pay an Indulgence ransom to keep out of The Inquisition Torture Chamber, whereby the Treasonous Frauds NOT waving their Skull and Bones Flag (giving previous notice) instead fly their False Flag to disarm the victims? truthsocial.com/@Josf/posts/110272521313880139
Lord of the Rings reference cracked me up. Thiel is obsessed with LOTR--many of his companies are named after things in the book--Palantir, Mithril, Valar.
Time 5:10 "...politics...always...how we are going to fight the other side..." That was a battle during the effort by the Nationalists to annihilate the federated republics of America in 1787 through 1789 in the News Media at that time and in republics where representatives were "voting" (by majority rules) for or against Nationalism. One side was for Federalized (voluntary) Republics (plural). The other side was for Nationalized (involuntary) Factions. The Nationalists confessed that they could not get away with Nationalizing (monopolizing, cartelizing, or consolidating) the existing federalized republics (voluntary, free markets, rule of law) if the Nationalists openly confessed what their plans were with the people living in all the republics already formed or those people like Canada, Vermont, and even Franklin where people were forming their own independent republics. Knowing that the "Majority" could not be "Ruled" with the Truth! Knowing that the people would not accept the Truth! about the Nationalist plans to dumb down and subjugate the people of America under One Purse, the Nationalists began their Fifth Generation Warfare (Mixed War) Psyop that they fraudulently labeled as The Federalist Papers. Frauds have erased this history from American Culture factually as demonstrated by how few in number are the True Patriots capable of acknowledging simple facts that matter to this case of Treasonous Fraud. Worship? truthsocial.com/@Josf/posts/110271671328960537
I'm not a fan of Leo Strauss specifically for his Trotskyite roots and Leo's imperialist views. But anyone who criticizes the Enlightenment for the evil it was, deserves a certain level of respect.
Big problem I see is that the urban dictionary and indoctrinating opinions have caused twisted interpretations . It's like the baby on story. We each hear the other talking, recognize the language but can't understand what the other one means. Dialogue is breaking down .we have classical views that haven't changed and hear comes people trying to back up a redefined simple basic knowledge line what is, gender what is marriage, etc.
Tolerance has run thin, give a niche they take a mile and were witnessing the backlash of national populist across the west .its natural for this to happen.
Time 1:38 "...the question of human nature was abandoned." Straight from the Monopolist Cartel Membership Dues Manual, the members must blame humanity for their pet project results. If they want to groom their kidnap victims for lower-cost maintenance, while consuming their kidnap victims one calorie at a time, or all in one meal, the Collectivist Cartel Members affix fraudulent blame on the kidnap victims, rendering them defenseless and incapable of discovery. When indoctrinating the kidnap victims the indoctrinating "Class" of "Elite" "Teachers" from a "Union" of ONE with ONE Collectivist Narrative that blames everyone for being both stupid and servile despite the obvious fact that the "Elite" are both responsible for and accountable as the ones, each having a name, drumming into children's minds the same fraudulent narrative that makes everyone stupid and servile on purpose. No need to cover up anything after a few generations, like 5 Monkeys. So, naturally, it is just natural, that either a parrot parroting the official fraudulent narrative knowingly or not even aware of the facts that matter in the official fraudulent narrative, blame for "abandoning" the Enlightenment of Natural Laws is charged fraudulently to the victims by the criminals. Were we go one down the slippery slope, miserly lives company, according to the Monopoly Cartel Collectivist Nation-State Legal Fiction National Debt Collection Empire Rodeo official narrative truthsocial.com/@Josf/posts/110265879619284191
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The conversation sadly had a very narrow view on the Age of Enlightenment. It simultaneously seemed to suggest that the largely barbaric nonsense of the preceding religious dark ages was an inquiry into nature of the human mind…i.e.asking the really important questions about human existence.
I must say that Thiel has a terrible understanding of what Yoga is and keeps referring to it as the inward looking malaise plaguing the West from action. It looks like his notion of yoga has been deeply influenced by the body twisting show business. I must point him to the fact that the very discourse of Yoga, the nature of self (or mind as you would think) etc etc took place in the midst of a war of duty as encapsulated in the Bhagavad Gita.
"It's not as exciting as Reagan" 's ruining (along Tatcher) the whole economic and well-being situation of poor and middle class people, but hey 6% growth. Worth.
Peter Thiel meh, I'll take his Paypal Co-founder Elon Musk one hundred times out of a hundred, while they both have a reputation of treating people around them like garbage, Peter Thiel whines about technological stagnation while Musk innovates in a multitude of technological domains.
Peter you are the smartest person I have heard in the secular world. You thinking is correct in the realm you have experienced. Ascend, look up. You are missing the most important thing. It is because, I believe, you have a misconception of religion. There is, of course religion, man's do, do this, don't do that. Rituals which are set by man. I have a book, Bishop McGee, he was the man who started the Catholic church. His journal's make up the book. The book is original, signed by him, ect. Anyhow, you are searching for something you already have. Ask that your eyes be open. Earnestly ask that your eyes be open. The book is not for everyone. Everyone does not have access to it. Why there is so much controversy. People don't like things they don't understand. Peter you are a brilliant man. I would like you to partner up w me. I have an idea in which my business will compete with: Big Pharma, The Veterinary Community, Western Medicine, Kill Shelters, Dog Chipping, Drug Manufactures, Ohh the list is extremely long. Ahh heck...it is a monopoly. Vanguard, nothing exists in the world. 949-698-8612
I love Peter Robinson. You will not find a better prepared interviewer anywhere
kyle sanchez John Horn of KPCC's The Frame is as good but ya
I always thought that Peter Thiel was a very intelligent being, but didn't expect how much intellect and introspectiveness he portraits in this interview with a rather superior interviewer like Peter Robinson. What a pleasure this was to watch these two talking
Each time I return to this interview I'm more impressed by how insightful Theil's thinking is.
This is one of the best interviews I've ever heard. Thank you so much.
Robinson is so easy to watch, very intelligent and asks the interesting questions. And Thiel is simply a genius.
I’m amazed by how clearly Thiel is speaking here. He tends to stutter a lot in many other interviews he’s done.
Robinson is good, but Peter Thiel is one of my heroes. It is people like him that give me faith we will survive our impending doom.
Mr. Robinson, I love simple questions. Ill answer these then listen to Peter. 43:36
So what path would you recommend to an 18 or 20 year old now?
I would suggest they:
* Pursue a path that places them in a position to earn good income.
* Save in viable assets for the time.
* Study Economics.
* Learn an Instrument
* Dont worry about the future, but be sure to study it.
* Ditto for the past.
You "Back to the Future" Comment on Progress made me think of a few oxymorons
* Progressivism is not Progress
* Socialism is Anti-social
* Antifa are Fascist
* Capitalism is just Markets
Great Interview. Thanks again Stanford.
Peter Robinson is a phenomenal interviewer: he did an interview with Peter I believe years ago and has also interviews with Rene Girard. I can recommend his recent ones with Jim Mattis, VDH, David berlinsky, all of them with Thomas Sowell, Heather Macadonald
The man is very intelligent, you have to give him that.
Fascinating interview and fascinating perspective on the Enlightenment. He’s certainly right that we live in a moment, or era-- when people don’t believe in the capacity to think, and therefore the capacity to change. We tend to treat one another-- and ourselves-- as beings who “are what we are” and nothing more. But this does not mean we cannot change for the better, only that we believe we cannot. These two are not the same.
Peter Thiel really needs to be interviewed by John Vervaeke.
Peter Robinson is my spirit animal
Peter Thiel, a modern thinker with a depth of soul.
Peter Thiel always so insightful and interesting thank you mr Robinson for the interview
The enlightment was not a movement opposed to religion, but the result of the printing press and questioning biased opinions in society represented by elitarian title positions no longer accepted as such like monarchy and that of the cathlic clergy. The reformation itself has also been part of that process as well as philosophy about economy, the state and being there.
As fast as i see Peter Thiel on a video i watch it!
"The socialists are not to be underestimated."
PURE GOLD.... Many Questions Answered !
Peter's hypno-tie is strong. It really ties the suit together.
Let’s get another Peter2(squared)!!. these two gentlemen’s intellect put me at ease.. two thought leaders worth the squeeze 🍋
Zero To One had an insane amount of wisdom in it but this is ehhhh
The central thesis, that we no longer believe in the intellect and existence is more a matter of will just seems misaligned. The reason the value of rational thought/discourse is declining is because collectivist leftist ideology is dogmatic in nature, which means anti-thought. You are not allowed to conceive of a world that isn't about power structures, groups, and oppression. In this same world though, force of will is absolutely nullified, and there is a broad belief that individuals have no ability to change their own fate unless the WORLD changes rather than the INDIVIDUAL.
There are a lot of holes in his argument, 6:55 in I can already say:
>These days we amuse ourselves until we die, in the past we brutally worked/starved/suffered until we died - the romance of heroic feats and serious thought is just off
>"Serious thought", politics, etc did not really exist in the past because everyone was struggling to survive and because of aristocracy/monarchy
>The enlightenment promise was not to stop asking the most important questions, it was that we can answer those questions collaboratively using rational frameworks rather than religious dogmatism
While I do agree with the exteriority/interiority contrast, I think it has less to do with politics/entertainment and more to do with increasing levels of self-centeredness and the rejection of an objective, shared, external reality that we are all bound and united by
Peter Thiel is always involved in esoteric and fairly narrow discussions with people that generally share his same point of view on too many things, resulting in dialogues that might as well be monologues. Would love to hear him talk to someone that pushes him a bit more, I think listeners would value those moments very much. Fascinating discussion, though.
true
Russia has always wanted to be Westernized (read Tolstoy and Dostoevsky), which is why admiration for Levi's, Kit-Kats, and Pepsi got them to adopt other Western habits like democracy. China has no desire to be Westernized. That is an important distinction.
love Peter Thiel. He is so well rounded human being. Thank you God.
Thank you Uncommon Knowledge for bringing this brilliant and rare scholars ideas into discourse.
A corollary insight regarding the development of the Enlightenment: "God" (i.e. Incarnate Presence) was updated to become an increasingly subjective and relative idea. So that now: for the religious and the irreligious alike, the matter is no longer that God (in Christ) is; the matter is how God is or is not apprehended. In this, God is first cheapened and then lost (in the church).
A tactic discovered is a tactic neutralized, know this from negotiation.
This is fantastic, thanks to Robinson and Thiel.
13:56 The self consciousness about the dialectic is what undermines it
Peter Thiel is beautiful! I love him. He is absolutely brilliant.
what a way to start a conversation!
Careful saying we shouldn’t be somewhere…we are here…
excellent discussion.
Such a wonderfully planned and executed interview! I love what you're doing!
I don't quite agree that the Enlightenment convinced us not to ask deep and profound questions about the human condition (as Thiel claims); it merely directed us to ask questions about human nature through a non-religious lens. Morality ended up being examined from a secular perspective, as opposed to a religious one.
But, a la Descartes, it was an examination that began from nowhere - from a supposedly "unbiased" and "neutral" place. This is the conceit at the will to power of liberalism. It is foundational mythology proscribed from critique and question ("dogma" in its pejorative contemporary usage). It is nonsense.
Peter Thiel presents as a pragmatic American thinker, but he's actually the greatest German philosopher since the end of World War II.
So the Enlightenment scapegoated religion? That makes sense. The 30-Years-War, after all, was a war of the Hapsburgs vs. the Bourbons, not a war of religion (after all, Cardinal Richelieu, the champion of the Bourbons, subsidized Gustavus Adolphus, the champion of the Protestants).
What a treat.
God Bless you Both.
Both Peters are rare creatures in our times!
Really excellent and true.
Wow I had no idea that Thiel was so bright. I would be a great gift to the public if you listed books and other writings which are referred to in these talks. This is great! New vocabulary, new books. Love it. It is about time there was some type of intellectual conversation. So happy I found your UA-cam site...this was what I wanted when I went to college...and only had a sprinkle of this type of learning. But, I certainly have thought about these issues my entire life (it seems). It is very unfortunate that the liberal arts went out of fashion about the time I began college. My mind just eats this up! I could not agree more with Peter Thiel's final comment. Now for the future have Mr. Thiel on again to discuss how he envisions the physical world of the future. We seriously need dialogue about changing the agriculture system, and building cities to incorporate more of the natural environment. Perhaps mega cities are not the way to go at all. There must be a balance between humanity and nature..that is the big picture. Thank you.
Just have to mention... very nice hair cuts gentlemen.
just seeing this i feel liek the information is rubbing off, i do not fully understand all they are talking about but it is fascinating i feel like my brain is getting a workout. thank you so much for this upload
I prefer Manifest Destiny in Space as the most charismatic and realistic foreseeable future. Three things: Cheap launch, zero-g 3D printers, asteroid mining. Boom -- off we go. =)
I enjoyed this talk. I can't imagine how it would be could I understand the topic 😂. I guess I need to read a lot of social science stuff
Thiel is a seriously underrated thinker
..so interesting to listen to this one year later..
your mind is your own… when young you can be influenced by lot of things and for everybody's sake I hope it is always something good, because that stays even if you growing up your mind is seeking all new possibilities of all sorts of influences, but what has been given very young can have power to bring you back from every nasty brink of some wrong doing, even if it is done in mistake the power of your thoughts can turn it back… so in this way as you mature, your mind opens progresses if you allow it to or you embrace changes to being very open to what is what you want and how you would go about it. rest is just talks for talks sake. and allow only to get into your mind or turn your mind to what suits you, mindless propaganda , easily believing what is being put out there in terms of audio visuals need to be taken with some non belief, we have lot of villains in this world who try all sorts of nonsense to others, you just have to be skeptical and probe ask from your minds to what is now which doesn't seem normal , believe in your instincts rather then illusions.
'Enlightenment' - it's a bit of a red flag about its true nature.
Peter Robinson is genuinely one of the most underrated interviewers. He's the inverse of Charlie Rose
25:20 China
Super-inward facing, because our society and economy extracts whatever it can from the individual ... where else do they have to look at but to re-assess where they personally are in the universe now that they know they have been lied to and screwed over by the people they put their trust in.
The enclosure commons leads to a retreat into the self.
Things like this always make me want to yell at the screen. Like why not just say the answer: Rational Faith. Such faith is a mythical while logical repository of ultimate truth to be revered but never usurped by theocracy because it cannot be claimed, only striven for ("as God is my witness I declare or decree X", no you tool, you just swore, took the Lord’s name in vain, committed a profanity). And yet while the whole truth can never be claimed, bits of it can be discovered, shown to be true and those can be built upon and tested, which is what rationality is about.
Nailed it 42:06
Can anyone link that Pope Benedict xvi essay that they reference?
www.ncronline.org/news/world/benedict-xvi-s-2006-regensburg-address-was-prophetic-cardinal-says
I think this may be it? They linked to the 2006 address in article above. It's in the 1st paragraph. Enjoy.
let me google that for you...pope Benedict xvi full text and look in awe at the wonder of modern technology
Here it is in German: w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/de/speeches/2006/september/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20060912_university-regensburg.html
...here it is in English: w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/speeches/2006/september/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20060912_university-regensburg.html
Google Pope Benedict XVI Regensburg Address, it should be there, but choose a reputable link,
the Catholic ones esp.
Great interview.
Still relevant on A.I. discussion
China
Damn, 3 minute 18 seconds in, I find myself in the Thiel domain. Honestly I'd have everyone issued logic tests, cold dead logic tests, and everyone not able to pass a certain limit is not sufficiently human to have rights as such. Just because it outwardly looks human doesn't mean inwardly it lives up to proper criteria. I guess I'll have to read Girard myself. So many comments on Amazon attesting to difficulty. It can't be any much more difficult than Ayn Rand or Deleuze. Faith as a mechanism of extensibility atop reason...Thiel gets it. And I don't care what anyone says, the Berlin Wall coming down was symbolic of a Trojan Horse victory. Physically you won and a wall came down, but more extensively as wall came down and you were infiltrated. Peter Thiel has excellent insight but is not too good at future prediction.
Peter Thiel thinks that he is smart, but if he believes that VAT is a form of tariffs, I don't care if he's been to law school, he's just wrong.
33:42 for everyone.
There are two types of measures: border measures, and behind the border measures. Border measures include "ordinary customs duties" which are, inter alia, tariffs, and "other duties and charges."
Behind the border measures are all forms of national taxation.
These two types of measures were established in the China-Auto parts case (para 158) as being mutually exclusive.
Therefore, if Peter Thiel thinks that VAT is a tariff, he's wrong.
Time 5:42
"...libertarian...politics...how bad it is...cannot avoid it altogether..."
When criminals fight over WHO gets to run the criminal organization the RULES are knowable as The Law of The Jungle, and as far as "government" is concerned, it does not exist, as the TRUTH about a place on earth where criminals enforce The Law of The Jungle is that the people are at Mixed War with Organized Criminals WHO are fraudulently claiming to be the defensive government.
Mixed War is also called many other names throughout the history recorded by Organized Criminals attempting to keep humanity under the spell of Treasonous Fraud Parasitic Predation, or dumbing down the "slaves" (kidnap victims) so as to remove from the "slaves" (kidnap victims) the knowledge that is necessary and proper for the defense of humanity against the aggression and fraud of inhuman beasts.
Parick Henry understood this very well as proven by his speeches on this subject matter.
The "Song of that Siren" is "freedom from moral duty."
It is a demonstrable fraud to suggest that someone can pay a criminal enough money to inspire the criminal to stop harming victims.
The idea does not pass the laugh test in a MORAL mind that has not been kidnapped and tortured into submission with a constant bombardment of ever more ridiculous fraudulent statements.
The movie Idiocracy is a parody of this phenomenon.
Each violent act requires a mountain of lies covering it up.
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Time 11:50
"...the central lie of the Enlightenment..."
If the social contract is already written into human DNA by whatever POWER created humanity, then why would any one individual ever forget the CODE?
Why would an individual example of humanity volunteer to turn oneself into an inhuman beast to then begin doing to others that which one would defend oneself against were anyone else daring to do the same, in the sunshine, to the emerging OUTLAW?
Why hide?
Why twist the meaning of en-LIGHT-enment into DARKNESS that goes so deep down into a Deep State of infantile irresponsibility?
What is the pay-off?
"In exchange for these acts of civility, the conqueror acquired some measure of sovereignty over the conquered peoples and, by way of compensation for the trouble to which he had been put in conquering them, was also entitled to a substantial share of the infidels' goods. Empire was always conceived..."religion and profit jump together."
What is the pay-off for those choosing to voluntarily deceive victims into believing that the opposite of The Law of The Land is worthy of investment payments sent to organized criminals for the fraudulent benefits of mercy that organized criminals gave away in ORDER to pay their membership dues required to join the Cartel?
Fake mercy for sale, as sold by the merciless.
How much is it really worth if the cost of doing business is your own power of moral judgment?
Pay the fraudulent ransom?
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Would it be fair to say that Woodstock marked the end of the 60's or the beginning of something else. Or, both, or neither.
Time 2:02
"...weakness of the will and the power of the intellect..."
Original sin qua non?
Sine Qua Non
"an essential condition; a thing that is absolutely necessary."
Collectivism = blame anyone other than those responsible = freedom from prosecution = freedom from moral duty
Individual responsibility = individual accountability = an individual demand for the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me = an individual supply of the truth
If not the "original sin" blame humanity for the work of the followers of The Deceiver no matter how much evidence convicts the actual devils among US, so as to avoid ever having to do the right thing, such as take to a Court of Law all the evidence demanded by a lawful jury in a criminal case to protect and serve the people in a republic earning the title from enemies foreign and domestic, to lawfully justify a verdict and a remedy, then what?
What is Peter Thiel intellectually on about?
Weakness of the will can be groomed into a child soon after birth, so as to remove from a child the natural creative POWER of willing into being a path chosen exclusively by the child with only a minimal amount of "governing" done to make the child stumble from the best and brightest path that the child can create on their own authority to learn from their own successes and failures, with help avoiding catastrophes not obvious to children.
Such as,
Don't feed the Spirit Cooks To Serve Man.
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La doesn't seem like the right place for him to choose to have his head qtr. It's in the den of decadence.
Capture of network effects is the opiate of the elites. Peter would do well to advocate for replacement of taxes on economic activity with a single tax on liquid value of assets. As a billionaire he'd be not only advocating a policy that could reignite technical advance, he'd be buying valuable insurance in the event of a collapse.
#highnoonpatriots
Can someone explain what Peter meant when he said “I always have a two word rebuttal to Roman Catholicism [the religion itself??] to all my conservative Catholic friends: Pope Francis”.
francis is a jesuit liberal who is playing politics to advance liberalism
The Pope is an anti-capitalist, who nevertheless has no criticque for the size of the state, which must necessarily be large in order to fulfill Francis's wish list for the poor.
What if the sole focus on innovation done by capitalistic society is the thing that removed us from the real struggles on the ground. Perhaps a focus on helping those struggling will develop a society in which more people participate in the sciences that bring world changing innovation that this interview seems to prioritize.
On a different note, tightening patent laws seems to be the main reason for the endorsement of trump. The argument exists that patent laws stifle innovations and the transmission of ideas for people to innovate from. He also seems to be saying innovation stopped in 1969.
i need a dummy version of this :D
Quoting a 14th century Greek Christian-Manuel Paleologus-whose whole world sat on the edge of destruction due to Turkish Islamic invasion just ain't cricket in the 21st century.
Time 11:34
"enlightenment is the myth of the social contract..."
Rewriting meanings of words (fraud) by criminals (frauds) in order to gain an advantage over victims (of fraud) cause language to distort over time.
If people share the meaning of the word defense in order to share all the work required in organized defense, then a criminal fraud will use the word defense as a False Flag during the criminal attack upon defenseless victims defrauded with the "Change"
If the phenomenon known as the Enlightenment was a rejection of Collectivism by individuals no longer spellbound by criminals running National Religions and Nation-State Legal Fictions that counterfeit the original defensive human organic grass-roots natural law self-preservation DNA coded instincts that empower individual humans to stay alive despite all threats threatening humanity, then what could make people "CHANGE" back to paying the ransom to criminals after having once broken the spell?
If the natural law determining the fate of humanity is a simple warrant born into each example of natural humanity for each to do unto each other only that which is welcome to be done to each by each one, a Golden Rule Social Contract, then why would anyone be inspired to pay an Indulgence ransom to keep out of The Inquisition Torture Chamber, whereby the Treasonous Frauds NOT waving their Skull and Bones Flag (giving previous notice) instead fly their False Flag to disarm the victims?
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All your interviews are deep and delicious
Nick Fuentes brought me here.
The 🔥 rises.
Lord of the Rings reference cracked me up. Thiel is obsessed with LOTR--many of his companies are named after things in the book--Palantir, Mithril, Valar.
Time 5:10
"...politics...always...how we are going to fight the other side..."
That was a battle during the effort by the Nationalists to annihilate the federated republics of America in 1787 through 1789 in the News Media at that time and in republics where representatives were "voting" (by majority rules) for or against Nationalism.
One side was for Federalized (voluntary) Republics (plural).
The other side was for Nationalized (involuntary) Factions.
The Nationalists confessed that they could not get away with Nationalizing (monopolizing, cartelizing, or consolidating) the existing federalized republics (voluntary, free markets, rule of law) if the Nationalists openly confessed what their plans were with the people living in all the republics already formed or those people like Canada, Vermont, and even Franklin where people were forming their own independent republics.
Knowing that the "Majority" could not be "Ruled" with the Truth!
Knowing that the people would not accept the Truth! about the Nationalist plans to dumb down and subjugate the people of America under One Purse, the Nationalists began their Fifth Generation Warfare (Mixed War) Psyop that they fraudulently labeled as The Federalist Papers.
Frauds have erased this history from American Culture factually as demonstrated by how few in number are the True Patriots capable of acknowledging simple facts that matter to this case of Treasonous Fraud.
Worship?
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This interview is dense, the way it should be.
he says that we haven't substitute for stagnation at 17:00 but maybe his buddy Musk found it - inspiration
Why do you say not to use these guys? Why why did you stop them from finishing?
Love ❤️
Balance ,,good word
I wish I understood the Pope Francis rebuttal.
He does sound like Strauss a bit. Have only just started this video though
19:00 that was basically my undergraduate thesis!
I'm not a fan of Leo Strauss specifically for his Trotskyite roots and Leo's imperialist views. But anyone who criticizes the Enlightenment for the evil it was, deserves a certain level of respect.
Big problem I see is that the urban dictionary and indoctrinating opinions have caused twisted interpretations . It's like the baby on story. We each hear the other talking, recognize the language but can't understand what the other one means. Dialogue is breaking down .we have classical views that haven't changed and hear comes people trying to back up a redefined simple basic knowledge line what is, gender what is marriage, etc.
Tolerance has run thin, give a niche they take a mile and were witnessing the backlash of national populist across the west .its natural for this to happen.
We aren't seeing religion imposed onto anyone but the secular world is imposing there will onto the religious.
how the hell is sharia law a leftist thing at 40:00, it is rather a lot conservative idea
TRUMP 2020 KAG
Time 1:38
"...the question of human nature was abandoned."
Straight from the Monopolist Cartel Membership Dues Manual, the members must blame humanity for their pet project results.
If they want to groom their kidnap victims for lower-cost maintenance, while consuming their kidnap victims one calorie at a time, or all in one meal, the Collectivist Cartel Members affix fraudulent blame on the kidnap victims, rendering them defenseless and incapable of discovery.
When indoctrinating the kidnap victims the indoctrinating "Class" of "Elite" "Teachers" from a "Union" of ONE with ONE Collectivist Narrative that blames everyone for being both stupid and servile despite the obvious fact that the "Elite" are both responsible for and accountable as the ones, each having a name, drumming into children's minds the same fraudulent narrative that makes everyone stupid and servile on purpose.
No need to cover up anything after a few generations, like 5 Monkeys.
So, naturally, it is just natural, that either a parrot parroting the official fraudulent narrative knowingly or not even aware of the facts that matter in the official fraudulent narrative, blame for "abandoning" the Enlightenment of Natural Laws is charged fraudulently to the victims by the criminals.
Were we go one down the slippery slope, miserly lives company, according to the Monopoly Cartel Collectivist Nation-State Legal Fiction National Debt Collection Empire Rodeo official narrative
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Despite the fact that in every video following this one we’ve elected to
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The conversation sadly had a very narrow view on the Age of Enlightenment. It simultaneously seemed to suggest that the largely barbaric nonsense of the preceding religious dark ages was an inquiry into nature of the human mind…i.e.asking the really important questions about human existence.
I must say that Thiel has a terrible understanding of what Yoga is and keeps referring to it as the inward looking malaise plaguing the West from action. It looks like his notion of yoga has been deeply influenced by the body twisting show business. I must point him to the fact that the very discourse of Yoga, the nature of self (or mind as you would think) etc etc took place in the midst of a war of duty as encapsulated in the Bhagavad Gita.
2022 and look what happened
An unconvincing argument based on unfounded presuppositions.
Imitation is a problem in this state.
Science is stagnate from following einstein theories. Dead End
"It's not as exciting as Reagan" 's ruining (along Tatcher) the whole economic and well-being situation of poor and middle class people, but hey 6% growth. Worth.
So, he wrote a summary of infinite jest? lolololol
Peter Thiel meh, I'll take his Paypal Co-founder Elon Musk one hundred times out of a hundred, while they both have a reputation of treating people around them like garbage, Peter Thiel whines about technological stagnation while Musk innovates in a multitude of technological domains.
The strausian moment?🤣🤣🤣
Oh give me a break!🤦🏻♀️
Let's make America Great again...how negitive!...Maga! How could he say such horrible things.
Peter you are the smartest person I have heard in the secular world. You thinking is correct in the realm you have experienced. Ascend, look up. You are missing the most important thing. It is because, I believe, you have a misconception of religion. There is, of course religion, man's do, do this, don't do that. Rituals which are set by man. I have a book, Bishop McGee, he was the man who started the Catholic church. His journal's make up the book. The book is original, signed by him, ect. Anyhow, you are searching for something you already have. Ask that your eyes be open. Earnestly ask that your eyes be open. The book is not for everyone. Everyone does not have access to it. Why there is so much controversy. People don't like things they don't understand. Peter you are a brilliant man. I would like you to partner up w me. I have an idea in which my business will compete with: Big Pharma, The Veterinary Community, Western Medicine, Kill Shelters, Dog Chipping, Drug Manufactures, Ohh the list is extremely long. Ahh heck...it is a monopoly. Vanguard, nothing exists in the world. 949-698-8612