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What Guadagnino's Suspiria is Really About
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- Diving into Suspiria 2018
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You fucking killed this, I was looking for a more deep dive on this film and you literally the only person on youtube that didn’t just summarize it but built upon the messages and heavy symbolism this movie provides. Thank you!!
Thank you so much, this is one of the best comments I've ever got!!
Also, there's a special cameo of the older Anke. That's the original actress who played Susie in the 1977 original!
Suspiria (2018) is one of my favourite films of all time and I'm always thrilled to find people who love it as much as I do. Loved your analysis!
wow thank you!!
@@rachellydiab Of course! Sent you a follow request on instagram. 🤍
Same. Nice to meet you ❤❤❤
I watched it last night and felt my brain forming around it. My God it was amazing.
What exactly was the thing in the basement in the movie?
I didn't fully comprehend why the line "we need guilt and shame" was what stuck with me the most from seeing this. Thank you for making this video.
The whole soundtrack by Thom Yorke is absolutely phenomenal and keeps it all together masterfully
I cried when Susie said she was the reincarnation of Mother susperiorum and continued to cry until the end.
The ritual dance at the beginning of that scene is utterly breathtaking. The contorted bodies into inhuman looking shapes but all moving together to carry out the ritual. Visually and emotionally it was stunning. Then how it changes to less structured, wild, rabid movements when death comes to take the corrupt ones. How it ends up a bloody, unhinged wild feminine mess and mother susperiorum asks the 3 innocent girls their wish, and grants them death out of maternal love and mercy.
I havent been emotionally impacted by a movie so strongly possibly ever. I think the visual dullness of the movie forces you to feel. The dialogue forces you to feel. The dancing is pure energy transference and that is reiterated again and again until we feel it. The way there was a telepathic element again, forcing us to feel. To feel our way through it. Its not a cerebral overly logical overly wordy movie its a depiction and its a lot of pure raw feeling.
What cant Dakota Johnson, Mia Goth and Tilda Swinton do at this point too, they were all phenomenal.
You described this beautifully! I felt exactly the same way seeing that scene for the first time- i was so overwhelmed which emotion, it was hard to explain
Suspiria '18 is my all time favourite film - it's not generally that well liked, I feel...but for some of us it gets inside, and nestles there whispering.
Thanks for this video - it's so lovely when somebody appreciates the complexity and subtlety of this one, when so many folks tend to write it off as boring, or worse, as full of unrelated and irrelevant sub plots/characters.
There's so much to say about S'18, being the true sub-textual onion that it is - one would need hours to dissect all of its aspects and facets. This was a very good look at some of them though, thanks again!
A subtextual onion indeed haha- thank you so much for watching
there's a recent four hour video about it and still does not talk about all
@@ladylordeve Thanks, yes I believe I've watched some of that. I have to say, I found the 30 minutes + that I saw to be consciously rambly (that bloke REALLY likes the sound of his own voice), and too concerned with inconsequential, sometimes obvious minutiae - seemingly to no productive end. With some reluctance, I gave up on it...and I'm someone who laps up any serious analysis of this wonderful film, haha.
It could be that I was having an off day though, and simply didn't stick around long enough for the guy to pull his threads together into something more cohesive/relevant. Does it get better? If so I might take another stab at it.
@@ladylordeve PS - is that a Lingua Ignota reference in your avatar/icon/whatever-they're-called? If so I love her stuff.
I'd thought people forgot about this masterpiece. This frightened me when in theaters and stayed after I'd left. For years even but I thought it was just because the original (which I've never seen) was so profoundly scary that the remake had to be as well. I'm glad you broke down too the themes and contexualized it. Much needed analysis of a slept on and mostly forgotten nightmare.
Thank you!I had a really similar experience, I just couldn't get it out of my brain for so long and I feel like it took a while to realise why it was truly getting under my skin !
@@rachellydiab it's a creepy movie! I just saw The Royal Hotel yesterday. I am interested in hearing your opinion on it if you've seen it already.
"A mother is a woman who can take the place of all others, but whose place no one can take"
I think the most powerful theme on the filme is motherhood itself.
The film expands on the meaning of quincys lore and paints suspiriorum like this caring mother figure in oposition to the others mothers on the film.
I'd definitely agree that this is a way of looking at it! The emphasis on Susies Homelife abuses does make it seem to me that Guadagnino wanted to bring motherhood to the forefront!
Yesss!! Ever since I watched Suspiria 2018 last year I haven’t been able to let it go! When watching the original I loved it but I couldn’t help but get frustrated at how the plot could’ve been so much more fleshed out, and the remake gave me everything I wanted from the story, especially utilizing the darkness of dance - It’s unlike anything I’ve ever seen and I’m so happy to find my fellow fans! Loved the video!! :)))
this is exactly how I feel! I appreciate the original now, but i was kind of baffled by it at first 🫢
It IS the best war film yes amazing a thousand times yes. Thank you so much for digging into this film. I adore it and it feels like a reaction to the fractured nature of Cold War Germany with language being used to highlight the divisions in the coven.
Thank you for watching! So glad to see that reading being shared, it's the most striking element of the film for me - always makes me so emotional.
I really like your take on Suspiria 2018. As much as I like how visually artistic the original was, I preferred the 2018 version because the plot takes a front seat this time and it’s a good commentary on how Germany suffered during horrific war times. It was smart to set it in Cold War Germany to add to the muted tones of the film. Also to add onto Klemperer losing his wife to the concentration camps, I like how Suzy Bannion (Now Suspiriorum) tries to comfort him by telling the truth about what happened to his wife instead of just giving him an illusion like what the witches did. She was also merciful to wipe these painful memories out so he wouldn’t have to live with the guilt and be at peace. This also explains why the last shot is sunnier compared to the dreariness of the other camera shots. Nice analysis!
Hello! Love this- I find the scene between Suzy and Klemperer at the end utterly heartbreaking - the attempt to give him some peace, the line "We need guilt, Doctor. And shame. But not yours." It's incredibly powerfully and devastating in the context of war where innocent people suffer most. I never noticed that at the end but you're so right, nice take!
@@rachellydiab Thank you so much. I'm glad you appreciate my take on it.
Agree, one of the best films of the last 20 years
This is one of my fav films and so glad to see a deeper dive on it, loved hearing your thoughts🙌
Glad you enjoyed it!
We need a follow up based around inferno....I read that the director of suspiria 2018 wanted to take Argento's vision even further to show a story of helena markos wandering through the scottish highlands during medieval times, manipulating the women of the highlands. I think that was just to be the opening. Can you imagine?
The 2018 version didn't do well at the box office, so there probably won't be another in Guadagnino’s universe, unfortunately.
I just wanted to say this is such a fantastic analysis! I watched the movie last night for the first time, and I was looking for someone to go deeper into it in case I missed any connections or themes. I tried a couple other videos (with 100s of thousands, or over a million views) that basically just summarized the film and didn't say anything new. Your video was exactly what I was looking for, and it's clear how much you love the film!!
this is SUCH a good reflection on this film, thank you so much for making this ❤️
Ah thank you so much! Glad to be appreciated xx
Absolutely love and adore your reviews and insight. You’re able to articulate things I’ve not been able to myself, and I really appreciate the effort you put into each and every review.
Thank you so much for this, such a beautiful comment to receive!
Finally a good video on this film! Thank you!!
Thank you so much for watching!!
Love your editing! An inspired movie review!
I still personally prefer the 1977 Suspiria to the 2018 version, but this analysis definitely made me appreciate the newer version more than I had previously! Thanks :)!
great video you are very intuitive! thank you for giving me what i needed as a first time viewer of suspiria 2018, and a massive fan of the 1977 original!
Cheers for watching and for your kind words! Really glad it was insightful (-:
Well thought out and well put. Fabulous video essay
@@chungnos thank you 🌹🌹
I didn't understand that what Suzie did at the end was actually a good thing. Some parts are so ambiguous but a lot of it is so beautiful. I really feel it also can be a metaphor for narcissistic mothers.
I'm sure there are lot's of other ways to interpret the end, but I think it does make a huge amount of sense as an act of mercy.
And I absolutely see a very strong metaphor for motherly abuse! Such a brilliant film with so much to offer.
This was such an intelligent look into this crazy film and I enjoyed every second of it. You know when you walk out of a movie and feel like you need to sit and let it move through you for a little bit? That’s how I feel after this! Also your voice is so soothing ma
Thank you!! It's a lot to process haha, I hope I've done it justice. And that's so sweet, ty
LOVE the tattoo idea. When I first saw this movie, it stuck with me forever and will always be one of my favorites. This video is amazing and so well produced💗
Aw thank u thank u!!!
Thank you for another outstanding movie analysis! This film resonated with me on such a deeper level, both as a dancer and as a Berlin resident. It's truly one of the best movie adaptations.
Great work! You helped me fill in some of the gaps in my grasp of this awesome ass movie.
I recently watched the film for a third time, and it's incredible, incredibly dense, and doesn't lose its fascination at all once it has become more possible to follow or understand; instead I'm just more convinced of how its reputation will endure and grow. It's very rare that a film that looks as big and immersive as Suspiria is as complex as it is. Blade Runner might be a comparison.
I also watched the film Germany in Autumn (Deutschland im Herbst) which is a collection of documentary footage and fictional short films comprising different German filmmakers' immediate response to the events which form the backdrop to this film. Those are:
from IMDb: "The film covers 2 months in 1977 when a businessman* was kidnapped and murdered by the left-wing terrorists known as the RAF-Rote Armee Fraktion (Red Army Faction). The businessman was kidnapped in an effort to secure the release of the original leaders of the RAF, also known as the Baader-Meinhof gang. When the kidnapping effort and a plane hijacking effort failed, the three most prominent leaders of the RAF, Andreas Baader, Gudrun Ensslin, and Jan-Carl Raspe, all committed suicide in prison. It has become an article of faith within the left-wing community that these three were actually murdered by the state."
*Context about businessman, from an IMDb the review: "The prominent businessman Hanns Martin Schleyer who was a member of the board of directors in Daimler Benz and leader in several employer and industry associations was kidnapped and killed by extreme-left RAF. He was formerly SS worked as an important deputy and adviser to Bernhard Adolf, one of the German economic leaders. Schleyer's uncompromising position towards workers made him a target in the West Germany."
Also the actress, Angela Winkler, who plays the character Miss Tanner in Suspiria can be seen in this film.
Also, by the way, I was initially recommended your Ari Aster video, because I've been watching a lot of Aster related content. The film director Rainer Werner Fassbinder is another male director who I am sure must be considered an extraordinary writer and director of female characters. Fassbinder's contribution to Deutschland im Herbst makes up its first 30 minutes. Have you seen films like The Bitter Tears of Petra von Kant, Fear of Fear, or the greatest one I've seen so far, Veronika Voss?
Hello! I don't know how I didn't see this comment till now but what an interesting read!
Thank you for watching. And no, I haven't even heard of Rainer Werner Fassbinder - thank you so much for the recommendation ❤️
I don't understand why your channel is so slept on, I've been a fan for a while but this is the first time I've watched this. Really incredible video. I absolutely adore this remake. For its messaging, the 2018 remake is just so much more than I was expecting. Genuinely one of my favorite horror movies of recent years.
One thing, I wonder about someone taking the memory of my dead partner, killed during the holocaust. I wonder about whether that isn't worse than remembering her. As a jew, as someone who has lost people, I don't know that I love this part of the film. I get why its thematically relevant of course, and I get what they're trying to do. But for me, it feels like a real overstep.
That tragedy is part of the Doctor's make up. Taking away the loss, in some ways to me, takes away the reason the loss was important. Then again, I am a cynical progressive in the US who is terrified of an upcoming election so... I'm probably feeling very cynical.
ANYWAY, great video!!
This movie is beautiful. I thank you for this. thank you for giving us your interpretation and appreciation of the film.
Loved this movie, loved your analysis. Will have to go back and watch it again with those reference points in mind. I think further to the war theme, the ease with which the police are de-powered and humiliated serves this interpretation as well.
I love the original and remake…
Such a wonderful analysis! Your presence and words are so engrossing that I think I relate more to your analysis than to the film itself. Having said that, the way that you've valued this masterpiece not only shows your cinematic prowess but also shows me the passion you have for this film and how similarly it has resonated with you as well.
What an amazing comment, that’s so kind ✨ So glad you got something out of the video, thank you for watching
@@rachellydiab I dont know if you're a Cronenberg fan but he's my ultimate favorite. I think you'd like Crimes of the Future (2022) and his 1970s version, of the same name, is also very poignant.
@@smrbm952 I’m a big cronenberg fan!! I’ve actually been meaning to watch the oroginal Crimea of the Future short because I came across it on mubi - this has reminded me to give it a watch!
Would actually truly love to hear what you think of it 🤩@@rachellydiab
This video articulated everything I loved about Suspiria (and more). I stumbled upon your channel recently and I'm looking forward to more videos from you!
That’s so cool to hear! Thank u for watching 🌹🌹
4:20 All of the staff of witches and the students are unaware of the fact that their dance routines are actually enabling the coven to perform magic…” Perhaps I’m hearing this narration incorrectly but the staff is not unaware. The staff are fully aware, participating, and complicit. The students are unaware, but not the staff. I don’t remember any indication that there were staff who weren’t part of the coven. But again perhaps I was mishearing this in the video.
hello - I'm saying all the staff 'are' witches, not 'of' (-:
@@rachellydiab So what you’re saying is “All of the staff ARE witches, and the students are unaware…” OK that makes perfect sense. I was hearing “are” as “of” so it was my mistake. Thank you for clearing that up!
obsessed with the nudie paintings in the background. i binged all your videos today and am in love with your outfits and attention to style! incredible videos, so excited to see more :)
Thank you so much! Obviously the essay itself is the important part but its lovely to be recognised for the presentation/style too hahah- Thank you 💜💜💜
(also i did the paintings hehe so thank u)
Thank you so much for creating this video.
i don't think this movie does Master D'argento original masterpiece justice tbh.
But it is an good watch that tries it's best to give an dream-like feel while compromising enough to fit new audiences.
I can't help but think this shouldn't be called an remake as it is very much it's own thing, plot and all.
This is one of those films that became an instant favourite, it’s so brilliant and the differences from Argento’s one are really one of the strongest aspects. It is so so terrifying at times, it’s punctuated with very horrific moments that left me stunned speechless, final ritual scene in particular.
Argento’s original is just as incredible, and I think is a great accompaniment, the themes are still there, the shockingly brutal and unexpected violence and 70s gore are top class.
I don’t always get the deeper context in horror movies at first, and sometimes never do from just watching them and trying to figure things out for myself. You always seem to draw attention to the things I genuinely wouldn’t have ever realised.
Horror as a genre has had so many brilliant additions recently.
Thanks for this. I saw Suspiria 2018 for the first time a few nights ago and I was left a bit confused and cold, but have been thinking about it quite a bit. While I honestly didn't care too much for the third act, I have come to understand and appreciate what it was trying to convey a bit more through video essays like this. Thanks for sharing. :)
Hey thank you so much ❤️ it honestly took me so many watches before i felt like i rlly understood it - glad this could help
The whole movie kept giving me flashbacks of practicing contact improv 😂 eventually we graduated to being able to do it from across the room from one another. And then we added vocalization. And then text. We learned the evolution of performance art by embodying it. 🖤 art is magick and performance is ritual.
I've watched this movie a few times, and been so very drawn to it, but your breakdown is fantastic. Thank you for your research! It saves me so much time! haha
Hey, thank you for watching - lovely feedback and glad it was helpful hahah
ok. now I need to rewatch it. I saw it actually even in the cinema and liked it. but I was also somewhat overwhelmed and I realise that some stuff went over my head. As someone living in Berlin, and having come here as a concious decision (as a lot of weird people do. it's our safe haven) I have to add something about the city though. it's west berlin. the capitalistic island in a sea of communism. where young men could go and then didn't have to do german military service. where a lot of the rules of the normal world didn't seem to exist and to some extend actually didn't exist. it was it's own microcosm. and people came to west berlin for that. I mean... David Bowie... if the world had ended back then, the end of the world would have started there (here). the "we could be dead tomorrow so let's dance tonight" vibe was strong. the city was apearantly a lost cause and therefor free (or must have looked like that). So I understand why a surpressed girl from religious america fled there (here).
Definitely rewatch! I watched about 5 times before I felt like I really understood it tbh. And that’s interesting context to add, Ty!
I was sooo dissapointed when i saw everyone on letterboxd hating it when id liked so much. I’m very glad others agree. I think it took all the best elements of the original and elevated them which resulted in an amazing film
Loved this! thanks for the thoughtful/insightful analysis :)
thank you! 💜
This was fantastic. You've got a new subscriber here.
your videos are exactly what i need!
So kind, ty (-:
Thank you so much for clearing what I didn’t figure out. I only seen it once so yeah.
I prefer the remake to the original an absolute masterpiece. My mom died when I was 10. The absence of mothers and the trauma it leaves behind in Suspiria 2018 helps me deal with my moms absence and the black hole thats left in me.
I LOVED this movie
So I’ve rewatched Suspiria for the second time yesterday and I could not understand it. I did not understand it the first time and I didn’t get it the second time.
The main plot was amazing, I had no concerns about it at all but there was a very strong corporate feminist undertone to it all.
Witches specifically mock male detectives poking at their genitals; at the end of the illusion spell, witches blame doctor Klemperer for not doing enough to reunite with his wife before they drag him to witness the ritual and then there is also a throw away line somewhere in there that doctor just ignored Patricia’s confession about the dance studio being a witch coven, the phrasing of which sounded like “believe all women”.
And afterwards, those points are reinforced by the ending in which Mother Suspiriorum erases his memories because he’s not guilty, which sounds like “not all men…” sort of sentiment to me. Even though through the movie the only time male on female violence is implied is when Madam Blanc asks if Susie has been punished for traveling by the means of hitchhiking and Susie says that she has been.
But I think after watching your video I kind of get it. After you describe the idea of shame and guilt and how that affects the ideology, it makes sense, cause in the same vein Luca Guadagnino also criticizes matriarchy and all other forms of ideology whenever those become dogmatic and authoritarian and sympathizes with their victims.
Saying all that I feel like the ending is still the weakest part of the movie. A) Why did Joseph forget his neighbor? Wife? I am still not sure who that woman who lives with him was. B) The final shot focuses on the heart carved out on Joseph/ Anka’s house which to me implies that this story was about them all along, but even thought the theme of victims of the regime is present it is not as strong and prevalent as literally anything else in this movie and feels lukewarm at best.
A great analysis.
Thank you!
yea
I love this film so much. I subscribed to your channel ☺
Aw thank u for subscribing!!
Best analysis of this film I've come across so far. I agree with the significance of that last scene with Susie and the Dr. I hadn't seen that quote you posted (need to read that article), but agree with it wholeheartedly. It reminds me of an interview David Foster Wallace did of a right wing shock jock radio personality, where he followed him around for while and wrote about his impressions of this person and what he was doing. DFW is very neutral throughout the piece, just observes. But the very last line he writes in his summation is simply "I'll take doubt." I think of this line often, especially the last few years, and find it incredibly powerful and reassuring--as I do this horror film, oddly.
Great review
Thank you!
Everything I always wanted to say about this film, well you just said it! A powerful metaphoric version of an already mindful crazy horror movie. From Canada, peace Out!!
Thank you sm!! It’s truly spectacular ✨
Great video
Thanks for this analysis, it was great! ❤
I wonder if anybody can help add some context regarding the lady with the big glasses that kills herself by stabbing herself in the throat at the table in front of the coven? I’m trying to piece her part together but can’t quite. I haven’t seen the original movie, only the 2018 one so I wonder if I’m missing something?
Thank you!! I think it's showing that she's feeling an immense weight or guilt because of the increasingly cruel things the coven of witches have done to their students/other people - that's always how I've interpreted it x
it's about wahmoolin
This was excellent, i greatly enjoyed your analysis. Props to you for giving de Quincy his!
One slight but, i believe, important correction: it's "Klemperer" not "Kemperer"
Why important? Well, i believe the name is taken from the ultimate "witness" to the day-to-day opressions, persecutions, and horrors of the Third Reich, the late Victor Klemperer.
EDIT: i see you acknowledge this at the start of the video, sorry I was just listening to you as I took an evening walk. I'll leave the above remark as people might like to look into Klemperer's work.
Hey thank you for watching! I actually didn't know about that name origin at all, that's really interesting - cheers for adding (-:
@@rachellydiab
Most welcome. And HNY to you!
Omg i love this channel. One of my fav movies ever. Saw the 77 version right before the newer one released. Have you seen Snowpiercer? Tilda is amazing in that one. She plays what was written as a male character. I love directors who use her androgynous look to advantage. This movie is such a fever trip that leaves you like wtf. Lol. Markos? She reminded me of that old lady in the wheelchair from spongebob "WHATD YOU SAY!? CHOCOLATE!?"
Loved this video! Everything you talk about makes me want to really like this film but man, there is one thing that is so distracting to me that I can’t. Tilda Swinton playing someone who is a native German speaker and really trying to sound like one. She almost succeeded but not quite which to my brain makes it seem like someone wearing a costume but not truly embodying a character. It’s made even more distracting by her being buried in facial prosthetics that take away so many tiny nuances in facial expressions. Everything else is so enrapturing but then I just get completely thrown off by that performance. I absolutely love Tilda but she did me dirty with this one.
Omg you remind me so much of Desire from the Netflix Sandman adaptation.
I have never heard this before but it's undeniable hahahaha
to be fair to you - dr k first calls patricia as patrizia haha
watched this movie for the 3rd time today and i gotta agree the visuals are draaaaaaaab. i also think the ending sequence with so much red on screen makes it very hard to look at, altho that may just be today's mood honestly , because i dont remember being nausated by teh visuals the previous times i watched it.
when i first saw this in cinema on premiere day i was blown away how it managed to flip the original on its head and, as you also stated, surpassed it. the original is kinda goofy (not the only goofy giallo but still) which doesn't work for me.
2018 remake makes it so bleak and disturbing.
i hadn't seen the remake in 2-3 years now and for some reason i remember the end-credits scene as Tilda Swanton being shown on screen again, but this time playing a man, as if having been reincarnated. lol.
I'm definitely compelled by the decision to make the film not just grey but actually flat- I feel like even some changes in the edit sweet could've ramped it up visually! I've got to say I love the all red sequence though!! Such a bold choice.
The only end credit scene I'm aware of is the one with Susie- but the final scene is of a young couple at Klemperers old house, so maybe that's what you're thinking of hahah?
@@rachellydiab gosh, another instance of youtube not notifying of replies. it could have been Klemperers house, or just the fact that Swinton plays him, which morphed my brain somehow.
*1945, not 1941 reeee
Only just watched the film last night and this video is the first thing I’ve watched in my “trying to firm up what I thought of it and what it might mean” phase, and it was real good. Thanks for making it.
Thank you so so much - I was stoked with this video and it's great to hear that people have found it helpful!
Suspiria 2018 is my Barbie
constructive critique: get better audio equipment if you can
Totally understand- rn I just record on my phone but I do plan on sorting that out asap!
you’ll get there in no time i’m sure⭐️
I get what you sayind but her audio looks fine to me
Suspira 2018 is better. Tilda and Dakota are great. 🎉
Boooo the original is superior
fair enough lol
no (edit: altho to be fair, S18 doesn't exist without S77. it is entirely standing atop the shoulder of a giant)
I like the original, and own it in multiple formats - the lighting, sets, and sound are all stunning. The first 20 minutes or so are amazing.
Beyond these things Argento's film is FAR from perfect (or often even good), yet too many fans will work themselves up into a spittle flecked lather if you dare to say Suspiria '77 is anything less than unqualified genius. If you'll pardon my saying it's just, well, a weird stance to take. No other director enjoys the seemingly unilateral dispensation of the kind that Argento is afforded. Characters and dialogue in Suspiria '77 are almost across the board risible, the pacing is uneven - at best, and that clunky exposition dump is just terrible writing, which would have been universally trashed in ANY other film than this, to give a few examples. Simply stating "dream logic", as so many do, doesn't mitigate these failings.
I'm glad you like it - I do too; conversely you don't have to like Guadagnino's version (taste is subjective), but Argento's film isn't just automatically superior, and Girl On Film's examination of S'18 was very good.
“Conservative Christian household”? wtf made you think that?
Is this about susie? She comes from a Mennonite home in Ohio, which we see at the beginning and in flashbacks (-:
@@rachellydiab not nearly all mennonites are conservative. Why assume they are? Why even mention it?
@@rachellydiab my comment might’ve been deleted but mennonites are not a representation of conservatives
@@rachellydiab not conservative
@@gordonfreeman9566 I’m not talking politically - I’m talking about adherence to traditions, by which it’s totally accurate to call mennonites a conservative religion.
This is from the mennonite wikipedia description - “What most Old Orders share in common is conservative doctrine, dress, and traditions.”