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Guilt and Horror: Analysing Martyrs (2008)
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- Опубліковано 18 сер 2024
- Today we're exploring one of my faves, Pascal Laugiers' 2008 masterpiece, Martyrs.
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oh my gawd... first clue that "Girl On Film" knows how to present a video essay; You didn't spend 45 minutes giving a play by play breakdown of the whole damn movie!!! a quick, to the point synopsis of the film before expounding on your point? sooooo professional and concise. totally following this channel! Also, a GREAT take on a GREAT film!
That’s so kind of you thank you!! I really make an effort to make sure my ‘analysis’ aren’t just plot descriptions, so it’s so nice to hear that that’a appreciated 🙏🏻 Glad you enjoyed!
@@rachellydiabI completely agree with @Itpvs and thank you for your take and videos. Subscribed today!
The fact that we still discuss what message Mademoiselle could have received instead of bemoaning the dead girls, is a message all in itself.
The scene where Lucy is running away is still one of the most poignant scenes I’ve ever seen in horror. Ever since I first saw it I’ve never been able to get it off my mind!! Love the vid
I feel like the performance of the young actress is so underrated, bc she makes that scenario feel so real and fkn terrifying! thank u for watching!
as an ex-Mormon of 23 years, guilt and shame once defined me, especially surrounding my purity and “worthiness” as a missionary in Japan. guilt around worthiness, guilt around doubt, pettiness, impurity, whether i had properly, “perfectly” repented… you know, some young adult LDS version of scrupulousity
Thank you, this is my favorite analysis of Martyrs that I’ve come across. I like your take on the end scene and what might have been whispered, feels like it finally makes sense now. Yours is the first review/breakdown that I’ve come across that really talks about guilt being at the center of this film (for both Anna and Lucie) and that is what makes Martyrs such an emotionally heavy but beautiful story to me.
I so appreciate this comment - thank you! It's always such a joy to hear that my analysis resonates with people and actually makes sense of the source material
Really great analysis - Martyrs is easily my favorite horror film of the last 20 years. I also feel the theme of survivor’s guilt is the most crucial element to understanding what it wants to say. I always found it interesting too how the film (intentionally or not) really capped off the “torture porn” wave of American horror in the 2000’s on a really beautiful note..
I didn’t know that the director was suicidally depressed while conceptualizing the film, that almost adds a whole new layer I feel.. the fact that a lot of people wanna believe that their suffering will be vindicated and rewarded (in this life or the ‘next’) when the harsh reality is that is likely not the case. Still in the end she does die a ‘martyr’ in a sense by avenging Lucie and likely putting a stop to the secret society or whatever. One could interpret that whether or not Lucie and Anna may meet again - she was able to transcend her guilt in by experiencing the suffering Anna went through herself. Such a perfect movie that will haunt me 5ev - I never wanna think about the 2015 version ever again. Also, your channel is super underrated, keep up the great work!
These are all such great takeaways! Even though I didn’t talk about it, now you’ve said it I see survivors guilt all over Martyrs.
And I love the idea that the film is saying pain is meaningless as a direct reflection of Laugiers headspace.
Thank you for ur comment! Rlly interesting read! (-:
first half of this movie blew me away, the film making is incredible, and when the abuse to Anna began I actually had to shut it off. I know the ending, seen some of the imagery, but despite not even watching the finale this movie gave me nightmares for weeks (months?). fast fashion and consumption lmao
I definitely found the switch to Anna's torture really jarring! The concept of being in Annas situation alone is so twisted, I'm not surprised that it stuck around in your head without needing to see it play out.
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I love extreme horror and cinema. I always get something out of them and learn something new about myself and my traumas. Violent lives need violent art to heal.
Thank you a lot for this video! I watched Martyrs a tad too young I think to understand it, but it kept haunting me. I have seen a fair amount of theories about this movie, and yours is the first one that completely made sense to me and made me want to finally give it a rewatch. I had come to the conclusion that there couldn’t possibly be a satisfying answer about what the martyrs saw and why Mademoiselle ended her own life, any attempt to answer would be disappointing compared to the depth of this mystery (thus the « keep doubting »). But you changed my mind about that, and I’m glad you did.
Your entire channel is gold, your work is so interesting and well articulated, can’t wait to see more of it
Hey! Thank you so much for this comment, so kind 💜 It look me a long time to finally understand what Martyrs really meant to me, and it's so cool to see those same ideas resonating with other people
I love this take on the film. I really love 'Martyrs' and have always seen it as a religious film. Not just because of the afterlife angle, but because of the themes of guilt and suffering which are so often used to imprison the minds of some religious people. Additionally, the focus on eyes and ritual torture really remind me of Biblical texts and trends (people who are blinded or otherwise disfigured spontaneously healed through atonement/faith, self-flagellation and asceticism, the focus on needing to make up for the plight of others through your own suffering). If we follow this logic, I really love the ending. Not just because it caps off the cycle of guilt which you so elegantly demonstrated, but because it shows that suffering won't actually bring you much closer to redemption or godliness. It will simply bring you ruin. It's best to live life for yourself rather than some possible benefits on the other side.
Only 1 minute in but that cut to Pearl felt like a silent Fnaf jumpscare and just made me absolutely cackle 😭🙏
I call it my comfort movie in that it reminds me that things can always get soooo much worse
I love that hahaha
I like your theory and love your analysis of guilt! Most analyses I've watched seem to have on common belief that I tend to favor. The film's central focus on whether there's an afterlife is a red herring. I have always looked at Martyrs as a film about nothing. Not that the film has no meaning but it's more focused on invoking certain emotions from the viewer. After it has successfully pulled you in, thinking you'll get a satisfying ending to the film, the madam ends her life most abruptly and cryptically. It's supposed to make you feel uneasy and unsatisfied, maybe even a little angry at how cryptic in nature it is. It all feels senseless and to me, that's exactly what the director wanted. The film to me, focuses on the director's depression and wanting the viewers to walk through those feelings by utilizing the brutal visual effects and creating a storyline to make you feel somehow connected to the people in it. It never answers the question about an afterlife because it never intended to provide that answer in the first place.
"Keep doubting" is the director's words to the viewer.
I actually really really like this take- and based on Laugier's explanations of the movie this is probably a lot closer to his intended 'meaning.' But I'm really glad you enjoyed this interpretation too!
recently came across ur channel and i’ve been binging them all day! love ur analysis in this one and the rest :)
Another great video! Well done. Also great hair style change :)
Top horror movie,the Exorcist,Suspiria,Martyrs are my favorite
love love love this analysis
Thank you!!
the man who groomed me when i was like 16 showed me this move and it literally disturbed me so bad i remember being scared in the dark like a little kid. I hate it bro. I really cant handle most slasher stuff and thats probably why. i seen your video mentioned in a separate video and i felt the need to come say this. this movie is horrifying and if you meet a dude who loves it or maybe a chic... but im not saying you specifically but if you bf is like omg i love this movie prob run... that dude was 100% a psychopath. idt everyone who like horror is messed up but he certainly was. i was considering watching this but idt i should. weirdly crying. XD
Brilliant video! Martyrs is my favorite horror movie. It rocked me to my core when i saw it. I enjoyed your insights.
Thank you so much for watching! Martyrs 4eva
One of my all time favorite movies ❤
Excellent theory & analysis. I tend to think there is something, but the knowledge is utterly consuming, & destroys Mademoiselle because only a saint like Anna has the spiritual strength to bear it. Mademoiselle is a witness by proxy & kills herself to protect her cult from what she has learned, thus making her the other martyr.
I always look forward to your analysis videos - they're never anything less than thought provoking, even on the occasions when I don't agree with your interpretations.
I haven't watched Martyrs, and I doubt I ever will: it looks more depressing than I want to experience...too sad, and I have enough of that to deal with when I look at events on the world stage, happening in reality.
Some films with similar themes I find cathartic (Suspiria 2018 deals with guilt, and SO much more than that - and it's a film that inhabits me, possesses me), but this one will leave me miserable, I suspect. Nonetheless, thanks for your thoughts - I like the ideas you've presented here. On that note - is this a possibility: could the martyr have told the mademoiselle of a vision/an experience so awesome, terrible and profound, so utterly beyond the human condition, that it simply cannot be accepted and absorbed by the human mind? Hence to live in doubt is better, and to die is the only option left to the mademoiselle? I wouldn't know of course, having not seen the film, but it seems like it might work?
This is such a lovely comment, thank you (-:
And yes I totally jive with the idea of the truth being almost incomprehensible! It doesn't really work in this particular metaphor - but yes, I think it completely works on a different level!
9:43 not to be mean but that quote got a chuckle out of me like, really dude?
Its not that deep its just pink isle Hellraiser/joking but not really.
I haven't actually seen Hellraiser or read George Baitaille but having accidentally rented Martyrs in film school back when you could rent DVDs in the Mail it does work as an alternative reference when listening to philosophy on film lectures a decade latter.
The end of the first episode of the BBC Fingersmith adaptation was the closest piece of media I experienced at the same time, can't watch torture porn. Had to take a break to walk through a graveyard then a Roman legionary fort before finishing it to post back in the little village postbox. The Caerleon campus started to close down the next year so that's hard to repeat.
Till this very day, I can’t even hear the title of this movie without my heart racing & feeling a pit of sickness in my gut from how deeply & effectively disturbing it was. The terror of meeting with an analog of the film’s cult IRL & being chosen is right up there with thalassaphobia, being buried alive & losing my sanity in the rankings of my Top Lifelong Fears.
I'm going to say this, "Martyrs" is a very good film. But NOT something I want to see again. Great analysis though!
Do you review any of the extreme French wave directed by women? I guess NFE?
Thank you so much for this analysis! I agree with everything you said regarding guilt to the end scene. One of my favorite movies bc of this theme!! 🫶🏽
Agh I'm so glad you enjoyed it! Thank you 💜