Me too, until two of their V3's broke. Had to choose between the X5 and went for a Garmin s42. Missing a lot of the stats but at least I'm not worried about it breaking after 5 rounds.
I tried the Link and it's auto-tracking capability was very unreliable, missed a tonne of shots, even though I wore on my belt on left side. I didn't want to use my phone to track shots, so I definitely wasn't going to be paying a subscription for shoddy hardware. I gave away the Link and sensors on Facebook marketplace as there really is no resale value for a subscription-dependant service. Switched to a Shotscope X5 watch and could not be happier. No need to scan the tags, just assign them in your app. The whole experience is more seamless and enjoyable and my X5 auto-track does not miss shots!! NO SUBSCRIPTION is the hands down winner for Shotscope.
Arccos is superb for tracking your data and really easy to use once you're all synced up! Thankfully when I bought the sensors 10 years ago or so when they were just getting their name out there with Cobra, they had a lifetime membership included! 😀
Hi Mark, I see that you make some corrections as you go, but how do you remember everything else? I can barely remember how many shots after each hole. Do you write notes or dictate notes to the phone? How about distances, do you estimate them for each unrecorded shot as you go? Thank you in advance.
Let me save you a watch. "Why I Switched to Arccos Golf? Because they are putting money in my pockets. I even have a discount code for you to use. The end."
In fairness to Mark, he's been a huge proponent for Arccos for years, long before any apparent endorsements. But yeah, this definitely comes across a lot like an advertisement more than many of Mark's videos
Thanks for the full review. I migrated to Arccos from Game golf in 2020 (Covid Lockdown year, unfortunately) after purchasing my first set of custom fitted Cobra irons which came with Arccos. My experience has been mixed. I don't use or have any Apple products. It would be totally different, I think if I had a watch to sync with it. I find it misses a lot of shots - about 40 to 50% sometimes. I have to keep my phone in my pocket to keep it recording. Which I don't like. I had to pay extra for the link and it didn't work. I do like having the stats - there are loads of them, but I do have to do a lot of editing sometimes. It's also expensive. I have to pay and annual fee and I'm not always sure it's worth it. If I have a bad round I tend to delete it which slightly alters the data. You can exclude rounds from the stats if you like. I would rate it 9 out of 10 on data. 5 out of 10 on user-friendliness and 3 out of 10 on value for money.
The only feature with Across worth talking about over Shotscope is virtually caddy. Which is useless as it doesn't know what your lie is like etc. Shotscope for the win with zero subscriptions and all the same data
I'm a shotscope user and have found the insight from the data amazing. The app for Arcos looks far superior however, and being able to connect to a smartwatch of your choice would be a draw for a lot of people. That doesn't matter to me as I have a dumb watch for everyday use
Good video Mark. Like you I have used both Arccos and Shot Scope. I decided to stick with Shot Scope because the ease of use and the AFTER round editing. I found Arccos to be extremely clunky on the initial link up with phone and it had a higher miss rate than Shot scope. Like way more misses or too many phantom shots because of practice swings. I had the link, app, phone and watch just like you. I also didn’t like the monthly/yearly subscription price. I currently use the H4 Shot scope and just tap location for each shot and collect pin location with a click of the button. I can make as many practice swings as I want and it only records one shot. Very minimal misses which leads to way less editing and more time spent reviewing my data. Finally Shot scope permits more than 14 clubs. If I want to put different wedges, hybrids or other long iron options in as I change courses Shot scope is very seamless.
Not only that, but Shot Scope is half the price and the app and online support is free. I've used Arccos with the freebies I got on a Ping Driver and 3 Wood, didn't see it as being any better than Shot Scope. Silly Money for Arccos and Shot Scope does all the same stuff for half the price.
I use shot scope with the V3 watch and find it really useful. It looks very similar to the arcoss and once tags have been registered just need to take club from the bag and hit the ball. Shot scope support also very impressive and responsive
I tried Arccos but found it had a really hard time accurately picking up shots. I didn't have the Link device, but they say it isn't necessary if you have your phone in your pocket. Ultimately, I stopped using it because I had to adjust the data plus or minus 1-2 shots on every hole. I've heard people rave about the data it provides, and I agree when it was accurate, but spending 30-45 seconds editing the data every hole was maddening for me. I feel like they shouldn't sell this system without the Link if it's necessary to make the system work properly. One minor issue as well, I didn't like the sensors on the end of the clubs. I found myself gripping on the sensor often enough that I had to start looking down where I was gripping. I feel like the grips with the built-in sensors are the better option. Just wish they weren't so expensive. One a positive note, I did love the data it provides. I didn't play enough rounds with it to get any real strokes gained data, unfortunately. I loved the weather data in the app. Here in North Texas the wind is crazy, and often swirls around. Getting validation on the wind direction was a literal game-changer.
There’s always time to look and review the accuracy. Post round is for analysis. I know where I hit and what I did so I can go back and edit afterward. You do this with any other software out there. Nothing tracks like this.
Used it a couple of years back. marketed as being connectable to Apple watch and it was atrocious. Customer service were largely disinterested. I switched to shotscope and never looked back!
Hi Neil, sorry to hear about your experience with Apply Watch. There are limitations based on the Apple Watch model you use as Apple had done major improvements on GPS/Battery life in recent models.
I played for first time with Apple Watch 9 yesterday. Missed many shots. Called support. Found I started round from phone. Was told to try starting round from watch as software could have been trying to pickup from phone and not watch. My phone was not always close to where is was making my shot. Will try and post again with results.
I used the Arccos tags for a while and got sick of paying a fee for the full package.. add that to the price of a smart watch, plus the inconvenience of carrying your phone on you at all times.. unless you buy the link system 🙄 (more money).. it just got annoying. I switched to Shotscope when the X5 came out - Which Mark raved about a few months back 🙄 - It does everything I need stat wise. Plus the money I save annually (on not paying usage fees) goes towards playing new course's. 😆👍
One thing I love doing after my round of golf is to see how I did and where I can improve. I remember when devices like Arccos first came out around the same time as Game Golf which I know Mark used to use. Sadly Game Golf got into difficulties and are now back in the game with a subscription based system but nowhere as good as Shot Scope or Arccos is today. Now I prefer my Shot Scope as its a great system and to be honest they all offer practically the same things. All very good for the game and golfers regardless of abilities. Technology like Arccos and Shot Scope will keep getting better when new powerful tech and satellites are up and running and up in orbit :)
What apple watch is everyone using? I have the SE and the battery doenst last a long full round. Was thinking of grabbing a ( but want to make sure it can get through around. Thanks
If you need to edit your round and the pin and/or first putt is in the wrong position, then how do you edit it? Answer you need to step off every putt and record it (on your score card). Then you have what is needed for the edit. And, if you don’t do that, then your stokes gained putting vs approach/chipping will be way off. Imagine the GPS was off, your approach was 6 ft, but the gps (pin + 1st putt) said 15 ft in Arccos. You also need to edit fairways hit if you are within a yard of the edge. You also need to edit the next shot as rough vs fairway. If the gps is wrong when in a bunker that shot might be marked as fairway; another shot to edit. And then thee are the missed shots. Shoot an 82, Arccos says 68; shoot a 77, Arccos says 66. Oh, and I putt everything out and that doesn’t explain the fairway wood and pitching wedge approach missed. That said, I still think it is worth it; but don’t underestimate the effort required. And DO NOT slow down play.
Thanks for the video, great review! I’ve been using Arccos for 3 years and can’t live without it. My favorite part of Arccos is sitting down with a beer after the game and going over the round to review and edit. Thanks again 👌👍
Tried it for several years and gave up as it missed too many shots. Pity as the stats and analysis are class leading. I would go back if I could get the same type of tags that shot scope and the old Game Golf system used where you tap the end of the club on a sensor.
Great video.i loved using Arches, but hated the tab sensors i could feel them there and after about a year they often fell out. I had the grips i my cobra longer clubs and loved that. However only playing 10-15 rounds a year the subscription cost just wasnt worth it compared to Garmin where i have a watch and its free. Data isnt as thorough though. If money was no object id have arccos grips for sure
i used arccos for 2 years when i first started tracking stats an it did help me drop 10 strokes for 18 to 7.4 but i started havingvtoo many issues an didmt like having my phone or paying the sub fees everyyear so in 2022 went to shot scope an imo it keeps more info thats important to MY GAME an the fact i dont have the sub fees an ditching the phone made all the difference to me.
I have no idea how people don’t play with something that tracks their shots! How do people know how far they hit? How do they choose a club? How do you know what you’re good at and bad at? How do you know what is really the area you need to work on?? I almost never play without it! I’m a 2 hcp and the data is incredible. Get Arccos!
I like the zepp they lost a lawsuit to blaster and they dont have the zepp tech dont know how they won they dont hse the same tech 3 axis gyroscope accelerometer hand and club plane speed video with data
I have ten months of using Arccos now. Love it. With an Apple Watch, it can just disappear and let me play my feel game. The key for me is passive measurements I can review post-round.
Hi Mark, I’ve watched you for years. My concern is that in the time I’ve watched you. You have endorsed Zepp Golf then Game Golf (which stopped working for months to years on a global scale) . Then you endorsed Shot Scope products and now Arccos. Any chance of you pinning your colours to a mast or will you endorse anyone willing to pay you?
As long as people are collecting stats I don’t care what they use. Game golf where ahead of their time. Hope you don’t think I care what you spend your money on. I don’t. If you are collecting stats then I am happy and hope you get better from the info. 👍
No thanks. Tried it a few years ago and got fed up with missed shots and having to have my phone running in the pocket. The link is no better as you still need the app running on your phone in the bag. Add the £100 a year subscription and it’s a no from me. Shotscope is much better either with the X5 or if you don’t want to wear a watch they have just tags to work with a phone or an X5 attached to a range finder. Add no subscription and it’s a no brainier. As for “I don’t want to change watches”, do you change your shoes before you start a round? Afraid this smacks of a sponsorship deal, especially after your previous videos about Arccos.
My only beef with arccos is that I have to adjust a bunch of stuff after each round. The GPS where I am isn't super accurate. For instance, I'll have a 10 foot putt and arccos will show me putting from off the green from 40 feet. So I walk off each putt and write down the distance on my card so I can adjust after the round.
@@MarkCrossfield Getting to the end of your video and noticed that you covered this. Outside of this, I love arccos. Also switching to the Link vs having the phone in my pocket changed my view on this big time. Used to only have the phone, but the app always quit on me around the 14th hole and I hate playing with a phone in my pocket. Now that I have the link, I haven't had an issue and I love it.
C’mon Mark. You were a diehard shotscope user! And with Shotscope there isn’t a yearly fee. Buy the watch and tags and never spend a dollar again. Now all Of a sudden Arcos Is the best. 🤔
Shotscope is still a great product. Remember I do t care what you use because I don’t know you. Arccos wins on data and that I can use my watch. The subscription is a turn off which I get. The tags are much bigger on Arccos but that is what allows you to de phone more. Again, don’t know you and happy for you to use what ever you want.
Completely addicted to my Arccos. Have been using it for 3 yrs and it’s helped me a ton. Yes it’s quirky and putting is still a work in progress but seeing your stats on where you miss is eye opening.
so, looking at the shot tracking only and not the GPS, do you need to place the pin positions on the course via the phone 'in play'? Also, do you need to start and stop on each hole or does it do this automatically?
Shot Scope gives you everything for a one time fee, no monthly subscriptions. It's GPS watch may not be the sharpest looking on the market but it's fine. And they're customer support was great to me when my watches battery overheated. They shipped me a new watch right away. As for accuracy, I only used Arcos with my woods and hybrids for the trial period I got when I bought them. Both do ok but need our help sometimes. By that I mean every round. Lol Both will occasionally miss a shot and add distance to the one before it. And to get what you've done added into your stats you have to sign off on your round. If you want accurate numbers you need to check every hole for errors with either system.
So basically you recommend buying Shot Scope, which you describe as having a shite looking GPS watch, powered by a battery that overheats 🔥 Cheers mate 🥴
@@markmay184 To answer your question troll, yes, In fact, I do recommend Shot Scope's GPS watches. A company that stood behind their product and had great customer service. And one that doesn't charge you monthly for it's services like Arcos does.
Miss the videos that you and coach used to do together. You guys together are great. Separately, still good just not as entertaining in my opinion. I love the banter, etc. you guys have great chemistry together
I just got these for Father’s Day. I was pretty excited until I saw the monthly fee. It’s just too expensive. I don’t mind paying around $5/month. But if it’s going to be $13/month, you should almost give the sensors away.
The reason the flag is ofd the green is because the GPS in these devices is typically accurate to anywhere between 2 - 5 metres. Bear that in mind....Even the iWatch Ultra with its 'Dual Frequency GPS" is at best 1-2 metres. Forget their centimetre nonsense
I showed my coach the stats I’ve collected over the last 3yrs and she was blown away with how much data was available. She can get access to review my rounds, the good and the bad, before each lesson so we target areas where I need to improve. She wants all her students including upcoming pro players to switch over. I use the Shot Scope system. Great to see the alternative.
I got the sensors autmatically with my Cobra Clubs. App and sensors was trash then and that was 3 years ago and still is now. Maybe the app works, but that implies easy set up. Camera is always blurry on a Iphone 15 promax, can't ever scan sensors no matter how much i move or use a tri pod to hold camera in place and keep club still with both hands and phone lighting. then if it does scan is says flip upside down 15 seconds to reset sensor, tried that 3 different times, still no reset. arccos clearly pays for their 4.4 rating, because its still an awful system.
I stopped using it immediately after unlocking the Caddie feature. My stats showed a nice descending graph of my club distances yet the Caddie feature suggested I hit my PW 260 yds and my Driver for a 150yd par 3. Absolute garbage. Sorry Mark, glad it works for you but I hated it.
I have used Arcos . The sensors came as standard with my Cobra clubs. I found it to be very good.However I don't like my phone in my pocket when I play golf. I use Shotscope which also gives great stats and NO SUBSCRIPTION charges. Yes I have to use a different watch but I would rather do that than pay for an expensive link device. Shotscope is better value for money.
Yea I tried this and half the shots didn’t even track. I’ve used free golf apps that can track shots that don’t have sensors that works 1000x better then arcos. Also forcing you to do a year subscription when most people only play a couple months out the year is outrageous.
I thank arccos is great. I feel it along with my practice has gotten me from a 17.4 to a 12.3hcp. I can see where I need to improve and I have accurate distance that I hit from real life play. The subscription is no big deal to me. I have the: -Gen 3 smoke sensor -Link -Apple Watch 9 I open the app on the phone, track shots with link, and use my Apple Watch that mirrors the phone (turn gps of on the watch app so it doesn’t kill your battery). One round of golf will take 20-25% battery on the series 9. I think this is the perfect set up Good for Mark sponsored or not he has put his time into UA-cam and it comes down to you deciding if you buy this system or not. I will continue to use this for years. Only bummer I bought the link then a month later the link pro came out.
I use this system now and have been using it for 4 years. The thing I hate is that the annual subscription keeps going up. Started out at $90 and now it cost $150 a year. Heaven knows how much more they will increase it year over year.
I wish u explained the tech better. How does it sense the wind? So it doesn’t track your ball? And I’m left assuming somehow it tracks my distance for each club…
I re-gripped my clubs with JumboMax Ultralites and understand my arccos won't work for me now. Sadly I just had surgery so I'm off golf for 4-6 weeks, so I won't be able to verify!
I’ve been using Arccos for a couple of weeks, I play a 9 hole course and it’s picking up the amount of shots for the 8th, but not showing them and the 9th it keeps saying “not played”. Anyone have any ideas why?
I've been using Arccos for a couple of years and love it The desktop dashboard has even more data, and you can really get deep into the weeds if you want to. The one thing that confuses me is the rolling handicap. When you're on the Player section of the desktop dashboard you can select Approach, Short game, etc. In those areas there's a "Rolling Hcp" that shows ypur "Overall hcp" but this number is different from my actual handicap that Arccos tracks. If anyone knows why and can explain this to me, that would be great.
I don't know if Arccos has made improvements over the past year or so, but I always had to go back after the round and edit missed shots and shots that appeared on the wrong (adjacent) hole. I tried the link device but not much better. So I gave up on it.
I tried the shot scope and the hand held lasers. I have the arccos sensors ,then you do not want your phone on you you need the link. I noticed he had a apple watch, does it work for the galaxy watch?? Just to expensive when you have just as good options out there. You still have to go into the app and fix things it missed just like shot scope. I ended with the sky caddie lx5 because I found it at a steal. All I need is to tell me about what yard I need to hit. I should have stayed with the golf pad for free. The stats are fine but as the round goes on you know where you f..up. I watch these you tube vids and every other month this one is better then the next. I guess it goes buy when they get it for free where we have to pay. I just want to play the game without the distractions. I know what I need to work on when I am playing the game. Just my opinion.
Mark, good review. While it’s not perfect. Nothing is. This product is pretty good. I’ve been using it for two years now. Of course good practice and repetition lowers your score. But I can honestly say ARCCOS has helped me. Who can say they know exactly what their tendencies might be with certain clubs. This data spells it out for you. I can go on and on with examples. This product is worth the investment.
Used the system for a couple of years. But I question e.g. the putting stats accuracy. If the gps data is not accurate enough and I have to guess shot/pin locations after the fact what good is a statistic of 1m putts? I cannot guess the pin location accurately enough for that statistic. Neither can the GPS most days. Furthermore the app did not improve over time. I just checked it: I still have to switch to men’s tees before starting a round. The women’s tees will never be the ones I play from. So why not let me change the default? And when I forgot to change to the men’s tees and start the round I have to abort the round and the tracked shots are lost. There are a number of those issues that haven’t been fixed for years now. I want the system to work and would accept a few inconveniences. But for the total cost, there are too many. The Shotscope x5 unfortunately did disappoint, too. Seems like no good options out there at the moment.
Interesting review 👍. I'm just using the app but thinking about adding the Link to pin the flag positions... im not an apple customer so would have been interested to have got some feedback on that rather than the watch..?
Hi mark, I switched to Arccos a few months ago also as I had the same issue with multiple watches. I was previously using shot scope which for me, this system is much better. Do you know if they are going to be having an app on Garmin?
Is there a way to increase the accuracy of the location tracking? I found that even though I mark the flag location on my Apple Watch the location in the app oftentimes differs substantially from the actual location.
No terrain data, no green terrain data. So the “AI” will recommend a club based on distance alone, regardless of how much higher or lower tee is to green, etc. No group scorecard functionality. Free apps provide course overview, distance and group scorecard function. Subs are a rip off. Finally, biggest thing is its a distraction on the course. Look at the sun, the views, the trees, the wildlife, talk to your playing buddies! Dont bury yourself in an app! They say you don’t have to edit during the round, but you will want to if you want reliable data. Therefore you’re constantly torn between enjoying the round or generating robust data.
It must have been difficult for you to change to this system. From these reviews it seems that Shot Scope is the best system overall. Will I continue to watch you? I'm more likely to watch unbiased reviews after watching this one. Sorry as you've always been a favourite of mine. 😢
Started with GameGolf, got hooked on the data once I’d accepted I just didn’t hit the ball as far as I thought I did. Switched to Arccos a good few years ago and love the data it offers, especially the strokes gained insights. There’s definitely more they can refine but it’s pretty good. Wouldn’t be without it now.
im using shot scope now and its hit and miss on shots its annoying.. i really liked arccos but its too expensive thats what turned me away they need to do something about that
Technology is just so cool… I appreciate this review. Thanks for putting this together Mark! The wealth of the data is cool, but I can see the beauty of having it just collect as you simply play without too much fuss.
Hi Mark, a question , I am trying to deal with some ill health and trying to get back into golf...I live bordering a course, can i use this system without playing a round....I like to just pick a few holes and play 3 or 4 holes and jump holes and then perhaps hit 5 or 6 shots from the same point , will that confuse the system or work?.....so yes, I am not able or want to do full or 9 holes games, hope that makes sense...as if it works with these parameters i seems great ...
Hang on. I use arccos. Screwing the sensor in the club is as seamless as using the grips with the sensor in. I’m all for arccos but I don’t agree with everything here. The Lock Screen information update is very useful.
Not sure what you mean. My point is having NO sensors sticking out of the top is seamless. Putting sensors in is not hard (unless you use counter balance) but NOT Having things in the top is cleaner, more seamless then having things stuck in the top.
You don’t Can can use Smart sensors with Phone or link or device/ phone or and watch. Once you get the sensors if you have a phone you are ready to roll. The link allows you to not need your phone in your pocket. 👍
The question everyone wants to know... Arccos vs Shotscope? I think Arccos is more expensive startup & annual fee? The on course features look miles better than Shotscope though
Quality Mark, as always. I’ve really enjoyed the golf improvement the channel and socials have taken. It’s practical and honest. It’s a real shame covid and lack of travel impacted the your golf travel relationship. I hope a partnership can get set up in the future so we can get some laughs on the course again. Lockey would be mandatory requirement 😂
I prefer ShotScope due to not having to do a subscription so far.
100% I'm lucky enough to be a shotscope ambassador and by far the cost difference is the biggest benefit
I started using Arccos before subscriptions came in and I’m guaranteed never to need one. No brainier for me. Tried shotscope but it’s not as seamless
Me too, until two of their V3's broke. Had to choose between the X5 and went for a Garmin s42.
Missing a lot of the stats but at least I'm not worried about it breaking after 5 rounds.
I tried the Link and it's auto-tracking capability was very unreliable, missed a tonne of shots, even though I wore on my belt on left side. I didn't want to use my phone to track shots, so I definitely wasn't going to be paying a subscription for shoddy hardware. I gave away the Link and sensors on Facebook marketplace as there really is no resale value for a subscription-dependant service. Switched to a Shotscope X5 watch and could not be happier. No need to scan the tags, just assign them in your app. The whole experience is more seamless and enjoyable and my X5 auto-track does not miss shots!! NO SUBSCRIPTION is the hands down winner for Shotscope.
Arccos is superb for tracking your data and really easy to use once you're all synced up! Thankfully when I bought the sensors 10 years ago or so when they were just getting their name out there with Cobra, they had a lifetime membership included! 😀
Its also constantly improving which is nice
Man got in the replies to hate, Arrcos is elite, don’t listen to this guy
Hi Mark, I see that you make some corrections as you go, but how do you remember everything else? I can barely remember how many shots after each hole. Do you write notes or dictate notes to the phone? How about distances, do you estimate them for each unrecorded shot as you go? Thank you in advance.
Let me save you a watch. "Why I Switched to Arccos Golf? Because they are putting money in my pockets. I even have a discount code for you to use. The end."
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In fairness to Mark, he's been a huge proponent for Arccos for years, long before any apparent endorsements. But yeah, this definitely comes across a lot like an advertisement more than many of Mark's videos
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Thanks for the full review. I migrated to Arccos from Game golf in 2020 (Covid Lockdown year, unfortunately) after purchasing my first set of custom fitted Cobra irons which came with Arccos. My experience has been mixed. I don't use or have any Apple products. It would be totally different, I think if I had a watch to sync with it. I find it misses a lot of shots - about 40 to 50% sometimes. I have to keep my phone in my pocket to keep it recording. Which I don't like. I had to pay extra for the link and it didn't work. I do like having the stats - there are loads of them, but I do have to do a lot of editing sometimes. It's also expensive. I have to pay and annual fee and I'm not always sure it's worth it. If I have a bad round I tend to delete it which slightly alters the data. You can exclude rounds from the stats if you like. I would rate it 9 out of 10 on data. 5 out of 10 on user-friendliness and 3 out of 10 on value for money.
Been using arcos since 2020. Big fan of the tech and it's gets more robust with every iteration.
Yeah I am loving it since the cahnge.
The only feature with Across worth talking about over Shotscope is virtually caddy. Which is useless as it doesn't know what your lie is like etc. Shotscope for the win with zero subscriptions and all the same data
Way better product. I’ve been trying to tell everyone this same thing. Easier to use and does everything you need.
I'm a shotscope user and have found the insight from the data amazing. The app for Arcos looks far superior however, and being able to connect to a smartwatch of your choice would be a draw for a lot of people. That doesn't matter to me as I have a dumb watch for everyday use
Good video Mark. Like you I have used both Arccos and Shot Scope. I decided to stick with Shot Scope because the ease of use and the AFTER round editing. I found Arccos to be extremely clunky on the initial link up with phone and it had a higher miss rate than Shot scope. Like way more misses or too many phantom shots because of practice swings. I had the link, app, phone and watch just like you. I also didn’t like the monthly/yearly subscription price.
I currently use the H4 Shot scope and just tap location for each shot and collect pin location with a click of the button. I can make as many practice swings as I want and it only records one shot. Very minimal misses which leads to way less editing and more time spent reviewing my data.
Finally Shot scope permits more than 14 clubs. If I want to put different wedges, hybrids or other long iron options in as I change courses Shot scope is very seamless.
Not only that, but Shot Scope is half the price and the app and online support is free. I've used Arccos with the freebies I got on a Ping Driver and 3 Wood, didn't see it as being any better than Shot Scope. Silly Money for Arccos and Shot Scope does all the same stuff for half the price.
How does the data in the app compare to arccos?
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I use shot scope with the V3 watch and find it really useful. It looks very similar to the arcoss and once tags have been registered just need to take club from the bag and hit the ball.
Shot scope support also very impressive and responsive
I tried Arccos but found it had a really hard time accurately picking up shots. I didn't have the Link device, but they say it isn't necessary if you have your phone in your pocket. Ultimately, I stopped using it because I had to adjust the data plus or minus 1-2 shots on every hole. I've heard people rave about the data it provides, and I agree when it was accurate, but spending 30-45 seconds editing the data every hole was maddening for me. I feel like they shouldn't sell this system without the Link if it's necessary to make the system work properly.
One minor issue as well, I didn't like the sensors on the end of the clubs. I found myself gripping on the sensor often enough that I had to start looking down where I was gripping. I feel like the grips with the built-in sensors are the better option. Just wish they weren't so expensive.
One a positive note, I did love the data it provides. I didn't play enough rounds with it to get any real strokes gained data, unfortunately. I loved the weather data in the app. Here in North Texas the wind is crazy, and often swirls around. Getting validation on the wind direction was a literal game-changer.
When in the grips, is the club length increased by 1/2 inch? So much for that perfect fitting….
@@edgamblejr No it's not. It's integrated into the grip itself and weighted accordingly.
Move over to Shot Scope…
There’s always time to look and review the accuracy. Post round is for analysis. I know where I hit and what I did so I can go back and edit afterward. You do this with any other software out there. Nothing tracks like this.
Used it a couple of years back. marketed as being connectable to Apple watch and it was atrocious. Customer service were largely disinterested. I switched to shotscope and never looked back!
Hi Neil, sorry to hear about your experience with Apply Watch. There are limitations based on the Apple Watch model you use as Apple had done major improvements on GPS/Battery life in recent models.
Me too Neil, I thought Arccos was clunky. Found Shotscope H4 and never looked back. Way easier to use and no missed/phantom shots.
@@arccosgolfYep. Was told that, upgrade my watch (Had a new phone) and still had the same issues.
I played for first time with Apple Watch 9 yesterday. Missed many shots. Called support. Found I started round from phone. Was told to try starting round from watch as software could have been trying to pickup from phone and not watch. My phone was not always close to where is was making my shot. Will try and post again with results.
I used the Arccos tags for a while and got sick of paying a fee for the full package.. add that to the price of a smart watch, plus the inconvenience of carrying your phone on you at all times.. unless you buy the link system 🙄 (more money).. it just got annoying.
I switched to Shotscope when the X5 came out - Which Mark raved about a few months back 🙄 - It does everything I need stat wise. Plus the money I save annually (on not paying usage fees) goes towards playing new course's. 😆👍
I’ve used ShotScope for years and just can’t justify the extra cost (double the price) of Arccos.
One thing I love doing after my round of golf is to see how I did and where I can improve. I remember when devices like Arccos first came out around the same time as Game Golf which I know Mark used to use. Sadly Game Golf got into difficulties and are now back in the game with a subscription based system but nowhere as good as Shot Scope or Arccos is today. Now I prefer my Shot Scope as its a great system and to be honest they all offer practically the same things. All very good for the game and golfers regardless of abilities. Technology like Arccos and Shot Scope will keep getting better when new powerful tech and satellites are up and running and up in orbit :)
What apple watch is everyone using? I have the SE and the battery doenst last a long full round. Was thinking of grabbing a ( but want to make sure it can get through around. Thanks
If you need to edit your round and the pin and/or first putt is in the wrong position, then how do you edit it? Answer you need to step off every putt and record it (on your score card). Then you have what is needed for the edit. And, if you don’t do that, then your stokes gained putting vs approach/chipping will be way off. Imagine the GPS was off, your approach was 6 ft, but the gps (pin + 1st putt) said 15 ft in Arccos.
You also need to edit fairways hit if you are within a yard of the edge. You also need to edit the next shot as rough vs fairway. If the gps is wrong when in a bunker that shot might be marked as fairway; another shot to edit.
And then thee are the missed shots. Shoot an 82, Arccos says 68; shoot a 77, Arccos says 66. Oh, and I putt everything out and that doesn’t explain the fairway wood and pitching wedge approach missed.
That said, I still think it is worth it; but don’t underestimate the effort required. And DO NOT slow down play.
Thanks for the video, great review! I’ve been using Arccos for 3 years and can’t live without it. My favorite part of Arccos is sitting down with a beer after the game and going over the round to review and edit. Thanks again 👌👍
I like it. Was in Game Golf a few years ago, switched to Arccos before they moved to subscription model (I hate subscriptions 😂).
@Mark Crossfeild ...their customer service is awful for UK cusotmers . Can you have a word 😭😭😭
Lame tech real golfers wouldn't bother. Expect lots of headewreckinmisses at best 75%?! 😂
Tried it for several years and gave up as it missed too many shots. Pity as the stats and analysis are class leading. I would go back if I could get the same type of tags that shot scope and the old Game Golf system used where you tap the end of the club on a sensor.
Great video.i loved using Arches, but hated the tab sensors i could feel them there and after about a year they often fell out. I had the grips i my cobra longer clubs and loved that. However only playing 10-15 rounds a year the subscription cost just wasnt worth it compared to Garmin where i have a watch and its free. Data isnt as thorough though. If money was no object id have arccos grips for sure
i used arccos for 2 years when i first started tracking stats an it did help me drop 10 strokes for 18 to 7.4 but i started havingvtoo many issues an didmt like having my phone or paying the sub fees everyyear so in 2022 went to shot scope an imo it keeps more info thats important to MY GAME an the fact i dont have the sub fees an ditching the phone made all the difference to me.
Thanks for the discount code! love from AUS
I just get a fit and a brand new golf set lamkin mid syze grip. Can I fit the sensors on those grip?
I have no idea how people don’t play with something that tracks their shots! How do people know how far they hit? How do they choose a club? How do you know what you’re good at and bad at? How do you know what is really the area you need to work on?? I almost never play without it! I’m a 2 hcp and the data is incredible. Get Arccos!
I like the zepp they lost a lawsuit to blaster and they dont have the zepp tech dont know how they won they dont hse the same tech 3 axis gyroscope accelerometer hand and club plane speed video with data
I have ten months of using Arccos now. Love it. With an Apple Watch, it can just disappear and let me play my feel game. The key for me is passive measurements I can review post-round.
Tempted to get a watch or link. Just so I can play music on my Bluetooth speaker
Hi Mark, I’ve watched you for years. My concern is that in the time I’ve watched you. You have endorsed Zepp Golf then Game Golf (which stopped working for months to years on a global scale) . Then you endorsed Shot Scope products and now Arccos. Any chance of you pinning your colours to a mast or will you endorse anyone willing to pay you?
As long as people are collecting stats I don’t care what they use.
Game golf where ahead of their time.
Hope you don’t think I care what you spend your money on. I don’t. If you are collecting stats then I am happy and hope you get better from the info. 👍
No thanks. Tried it a few years ago and got fed up with missed shots and having to have my phone running in the pocket. The link is no better as you still need the app running on your phone in the bag. Add the £100 a year subscription and it’s a no from me. Shotscope is much better either with the X5 or if you don’t want to wear a watch they have just tags to work with a phone or an X5 attached to a range finder. Add no subscription and it’s a no brainier. As for “I don’t want to change watches”, do you change your shoes before you start a round? Afraid this smacks of a sponsorship deal, especially after your previous videos about Arccos.
Did not know about the yearly fee..ugh
I use the garmin with a s62. Is it worth the switch.?
My only beef with arccos is that I have to adjust a bunch of stuff after each round. The GPS where I am isn't super accurate. For instance, I'll have a 10 foot putt and arccos will show me putting from off the green from 40 feet. So I walk off each putt and write down the distance on my card so I can adjust after the round.
I have used a few systems now. They are all the same for accuracy. 👍
@@MarkCrossfield Getting to the end of your video and noticed that you covered this. Outside of this, I love arccos. Also switching to the Link vs having the phone in my pocket changed my view on this big time. Used to only have the phone, but the app always quit on me around the 14th hole and I hate playing with a phone in my pocket. Now that I have the link, I haven't had an issue and I love it.
C’mon Mark. You were a diehard shotscope user! And with Shotscope there isn’t a yearly fee. Buy the watch and tags and never spend a dollar again. Now all
Of a sudden Arcos
Is the best. 🤔
Shotscope is still a great product. Remember I do t care what you use because I don’t know you.
Arccos wins on data and that I can use my watch.
The subscription is a turn off which I get. The tags are much bigger on Arccos but that is what allows you to de phone more.
Again, don’t know you and happy for you to use what ever you want.
Completely addicted to my Arccos. Have been using it for 3 yrs and it’s helped me a ton. Yes it’s quirky and putting is still a work in progress but seeing your stats on where you miss is eye opening.
Agreed.
I can’t express how much I love the Arccos system. Totally worth the price for me
Agreed
so, looking at the shot tracking only and not the GPS, do you need to place the pin positions on the course via the phone 'in play'?
Also, do you need to start and stop on each hole or does it do this automatically?
It auto turns the the next hole.
If you use your phone you can add the pin or do it in post edit.
It's this kind of junk that makes pace of play slow down and y'all need to buy lessons and move on.
Tell me you don’t understand a product without telling me. Haha wozers.
Shot Scope gives you everything for a one time fee, no monthly subscriptions. It's GPS watch may not be the sharpest looking on the market but it's fine. And they're customer support was great to me when my watches battery overheated. They shipped me a new watch right away.
As for accuracy, I only used Arcos with my woods and hybrids for the trial period I got when I bought them. Both do ok but need our help sometimes. By that I mean every round. Lol
Both will occasionally miss a shot and add distance to the one before it. And to get what you've done added into your stats you have to sign off on your round. If you want accurate numbers you need to check every hole for errors with either system.
So basically you recommend buying Shot Scope, which you describe as having a shite looking GPS watch, powered by a battery that overheats 🔥
Cheers mate 🥴
@@markmay184 To answer your question troll, yes, In fact, I do recommend Shot Scope's GPS watches. A company that stood behind their product and had great customer service. And one that doesn't charge you monthly for it's services like Arcos does.
Miss the videos that you and coach used to do together. You guys together are great. Separately, still good just not as entertaining in my opinion. I love the banter, etc. you guys have great chemistry together
Yeah agree. Not sure why these two are not collaborating together anymore. I see it as a change for the worse not better 🤷🏾♂️
@@S.forbes couldn’t agree more
@@S.forbes 90% of the time it's a money feud right
I just got these for Father’s Day. I was pretty excited until I saw the monthly fee. It’s just too expensive. I don’t mind paying around $5/month. But if it’s going to be $13/month, you should almost give the sensors away.
The reason the flag is ofd the green is because the GPS in these devices is typically accurate to anywhere between 2 - 5 metres. Bear that in mind....Even the iWatch Ultra with its 'Dual Frequency GPS" is at best 1-2 metres. Forget their centimetre nonsense
I showed my coach the stats I’ve collected over the last 3yrs and she was blown away with how much data was available. She can get access to review my rounds, the good and the bad, before each lesson so we target areas where I need to improve. She wants all her students including upcoming pro players to switch over. I use the Shot Scope system. Great to see the alternative.
Agree, with shot scope you can go back to starting with the clubs, so for me that’s 2 years of rounds.
What happens when you need to change your grips ???????
Not sure what you mean. With tags your simply unscrew and re screw into new grips.
If it’s the smart grips you simply replace the whole grip.
I got the sensors autmatically with my Cobra Clubs. App and sensors was trash then and that was 3 years ago and still is now. Maybe the app works, but that implies easy set up. Camera is always blurry on a Iphone 15 promax, can't ever scan sensors no matter how much i move or use a tri pod to hold camera in place and keep club still with both hands and phone lighting. then if it does scan is says flip upside down 15 seconds to reset sensor, tried that 3 different times, still no reset. arccos clearly pays for their 4.4 rating, because its still an awful system.
I stopped using it immediately after unlocking the Caddie feature. My stats showed a nice descending graph of my club distances yet the Caddie feature suggested I hit my PW 260 yds and my Driver for a 150yd par 3. Absolute garbage. Sorry Mark, glad it works for you but I hated it.
I have used Arcos . The sensors came as standard with my Cobra clubs. I found it to be very good.However I don't like my phone in my pocket when I play golf. I use Shotscope which also gives great stats and NO SUBSCRIPTION charges. Yes I have to use a different watch but I would rather do that than pay for an expensive link device. Shotscope is better value for money.
Yea I tried this and half the shots didn’t even track. I’ve used free golf apps that can track shots that don’t have sensors that works 1000x better then arcos. Also forcing you to do a year subscription when most people only play a couple months out the year is outrageous.
£129 pa app subs. Mad.
I thank arccos is great. I feel it along with my practice has gotten me from a 17.4 to a 12.3hcp. I can see where I need to improve and I have accurate distance that I hit from real life play. The subscription is no big deal to me.
I have the:
-Gen 3 smoke sensor
-Link
-Apple Watch 9
I open the app on the phone, track shots with link, and use my Apple Watch that mirrors the phone (turn gps of on the watch app so it doesn’t kill your battery). One round of golf will take 20-25% battery on the series 9. I think this is the perfect set up
Good for Mark sponsored or not he has put his time into UA-cam and it comes down to you deciding if you buy this system or not. I will continue to use this for years.
Only bummer I bought the link then a month later the link pro came out.
I use this system now and have been using it for 4 years. The thing I hate is that the annual subscription keeps going up. Started out at $90 and now it cost $150 a year. Heaven knows how much more they will increase it year over year.
I remember when he software was free.
To be transparent, since you have a podcast with Lou, I'm actually surprised you didn't switch sooner.
I wish u explained the tech better. How does it sense the wind? So it doesn’t track your ball? And I’m left assuming somehow it tracks my distance for each club…
it a great concept...i just wished arcos would do monthly subs while keeping annual option for membership.
I re-gripped my clubs with JumboMax Ultralites and understand my arccos won't work for me now. Sadly I just had surgery so I'm off golf for 4-6 weeks, so I won't be able to verify!
Not really as seamless (Bingo) as you say. None of these systems are perfect. But prefer the subscription free model of Shotscope.
Soon to send my shotscope X5 back. Soooo buggy. Keep downloading the new firmware but makes no difference.
I’ve been using Arccos for a couple of weeks, I play a 9 hole course and it’s picking up the amount of shots for the 8th, but not showing them and the 9th it keeps saying “not played”. Anyone have any ideas why?
Too expensive
I've been using Arccos for a couple of years and love it The desktop dashboard has even more data, and you can really get deep into the weeds if you want to. The one thing that confuses me is the rolling handicap. When you're on the Player section of the desktop dashboard you can select Approach, Short game, etc. In those areas there's a "Rolling Hcp" that shows ypur "Overall hcp" but this number is different from my actual handicap that Arccos tracks. If anyone knows why and can explain this to me, that would be great.
Anytime there is a discount code the glowing review should be scrutinized heavily
I don't know if Arccos has made improvements over the past year or so, but I always had to go back after the round and edit missed shots and shots that appeared on the wrong (adjacent) hole. I tried the link device but not much better. So I gave up on it.
I tried the shot scope and the hand held lasers. I have the arccos sensors ,then you do not want your phone on you you need the link. I noticed he had a apple watch, does it work for the galaxy watch?? Just to expensive when you have just as good options out there. You still have to go into the app and fix things it missed just like shot scope. I ended with the sky caddie lx5 because I found it at a steal. All I need is to tell me about what yard I need to hit. I should have stayed with the golf pad for free. The stats are fine but as the round goes on you know where you f..up. I watch these you tube vids and every other month this one is better then the next. I guess it goes buy when they get it for free where we have to pay. I just want to play the game without the distractions. I know what I need to work on when I am playing the game. Just my opinion.
Mark, good review. While it’s not perfect. Nothing is. This product is pretty good. I’ve been using it for two years now. Of course good practice and repetition lowers your score. But I can honestly say ARCCOS has helped me. Who can say they know exactly what their tendencies might be with certain clubs. This data spells it out for you. I can go on and on with examples. This product is worth the investment.
Used the system for a couple of years. But I question e.g. the putting stats accuracy. If the gps data is not accurate enough and I have to guess shot/pin locations after the fact what good is a statistic of 1m putts? I cannot guess the pin location accurately enough for that statistic. Neither can the GPS most days. Furthermore the app did not improve over time. I just checked it: I still have to switch to men’s tees before starting a round. The women’s tees will never be the ones I play from. So why not let me change the default? And when I forgot to change to the men’s tees and start the round I have to abort the round and the tracked shots are lost. There are a number of those issues that haven’t been fixed for years now. I want the system to work and would accept a few inconveniences. But for the total cost, there are too many. The Shotscope x5 unfortunately did disappoint, too. Seems like no good options out there at the moment.
Brilliant review, as r all your review s , I'm shot scope both r good , thx for a great vlog Mark 🏌️♂️⛳️👍
Interesting review 👍. I'm just using the app but thinking about adding the Link to pin the flag positions... im not an apple customer so would have been interested to have got some feedback on that rather than the watch..?
Hi mark, I switched to Arccos a few months ago also as I had the same issue with multiple watches. I was previously using shot scope which for me, this system is much better. Do you know if they are going to be having an app on Garmin?
Those power lines on 14 would absolutely defeat me mentally.
My forged tec-x came with the arccos things that you put on the butt of the club, but I never bothered doing anything with them. Maybe I should!
disappointing that you dont mention the subscription fee..or did i miss that?
Is there a way to increase the accuracy of the location tracking? I found that even though I mark the flag location on my Apple Watch the location in the app oftentimes differs substantially from the actual location.
@markcrossfield love golf and guitar as well. Good to see the instruments behind you!
No terrain data, no green terrain data. So the “AI” will recommend a club based on distance alone, regardless of how much higher or lower tee is to green, etc. No group scorecard functionality. Free apps provide course overview, distance and group scorecard function. Subs are a rip off. Finally, biggest thing is its a distraction on the course. Look at the sun, the views, the trees, the wildlife, talk to your playing buddies! Dont bury yourself in an app! They say you don’t have to edit during the round, but you will want to if you want reliable data. Therefore you’re constantly torn between enjoying the round or generating robust data.
Smart daddy does you slope weather and temp along with wind?
@@MarkCrossfield sorry, dont know what you mean? Smart daddy?
It must have been difficult for you to change to this system. From these reviews it seems that Shot Scope is the best system overall. Will I continue to watch you? I'm more likely to watch unbiased reviews after watching this one. Sorry as you've always been a favourite of mine. 😢
I've been using Arccos since 2021 and really enjoy all the data that is collected.
Love it but i wish they had a better selection of jumbo grips in the embeded sensors. Been using them since 2019
For whatever reason they probably gave you a few dollars to do it.
I know you had shot scope before. Which system did you have to make more post round corrections?
Plus you can review every shot you've ever hit. I look back to see how I played each course that last time. Very valuable.
How does it cater for 3/4 Punch shots?
Surely they mess up the stats?
I use the Shot Scope H4. Have you tried it? Would like to see a comparison video.
Started with GameGolf, got hooked on the data once I’d accepted I just didn’t hit the ball as far as I thought I did. Switched to Arccos a good few years ago and love the data it offers, especially the strokes gained insights. There’s definitely more they can refine but it’s pretty good. Wouldn’t be without it now.
im using shot scope now and its hit and miss on shots its annoying.. i really liked arccos but its too expensive thats what turned me away they need to do something about that
went back to my first gen sensors again and im loving it!! no sub on first gen either!!!
When do we get to hear you shred some tasty jams with those guitars in the background?
So what is the difference to the Game Golf system that you used to use?
Technology is just so cool… I appreciate this review. Thanks for putting this together Mark! The wealth of the data is cool, but I can see the beauty of having it just collect as you simply play without too much fuss.
Think you’ll ever do anymore course vlogs?
Hi Mark, a question , I am trying to deal with some ill health and trying to get back into golf...I live bordering a course, can i use this system without playing a round....I like to just pick a few holes and play 3 or 4 holes and jump holes and then perhaps hit 5 or 6 shots from the same point , will that confuse the system or work?.....so yes, I am not able or want to do full or 9 holes games, hope that makes sense...as if it works with these parameters i seems great ...
Yes you totally can.
Thanks Mark @@MarkCrossfield 👍
looks great. love the on course guides it was showing.
Hang on. I use arccos. Screwing the sensor in the club is as seamless as using the grips with the sensor in. I’m all for arccos but I don’t agree with everything here. The Lock Screen information update is very useful.
Not sure what you mean. My point is having NO sensors sticking out of the top is seamless.
Putting sensors in is not hard (unless you use counter balance) but NOT Having things in the top is cleaner, more seamless then having things stuck in the top.
Mark when I start playing golf again I will look at it
Hey Mark...does the discount still apply as could not apply manually on their checkout which is forcing a 10% discount?
Use Mark15 for the discount 👍
Mark, why do you need the Link when you are using the Watch and Phone? Is it just for completeness of the review and does it work as well without?
You don’t
Can can use
Smart sensors with
Phone or link or device/ phone or and watch.
Once you get the sensors if you have a phone you are ready to roll.
The link allows you to not need your phone in your pocket. 👍
The question everyone wants to know... Arccos vs Shotscope?
I think Arccos is more expensive startup & annual fee?
The on course features look miles better than Shotscope though
Thanks Coach. Been thinking about using this system. 👏⛳️
Quality Mark, as always. I’ve really enjoyed the golf improvement the channel and socials have taken. It’s practical and honest. It’s a real shame covid and lack of travel impacted the your golf travel relationship. I hope a partnership can get set up in the future so we can get some laughs on the course again. Lockey would be mandatory requirement 😂