I prefer the super leads over the JCM 800 but that’s just personal choice. A Friedman BE-100 makes the Marshall sound like a lunchbox with a empty thermos rattling around inside. You really should try one, traditions were made to be broken
Holy hell!!! Finally someone who demos using songs that I'd use in my own application in terms of tone. There is a god. Insta sub. Not to mention same guitar I use. This really helps.
Excellent vid my dude. Only note I would make is I think gear shootouts like this work better when you intercut the two amps, pedals, guitars whatever. So play a riff on one amp then switch to the other, then back to the first for the next riff then back to the second etc. Makes it much easier for the viewer to get a feel for how they stack up against each other! Other than that, great playing, beautifully recorded! All sounds awesome!
Thanks a bunch! I definitely hear you on the AB / AB style format. I was thinking about that when I was putting it together, but I was finding it a bit boring. I think ultimately you're right though! Regardless, thanks a bunch for checking out the video!
Those are some really nice tones you got there thrown in with some nice 90's era songs. No demos like this way back then. No UA-cam too. Excellent work. Subscribed
The bb preamp I love this pedal, it sounded good on any amp I tried so far. Perfect video, not too much talking, and many riffs, played perfectly, good job !
Absolutely the best of the best here, That silver burst is my dream guitar with the Brown Eye or 800 you cant go wrong. Always loved your videos buddy you have great tones and great playing.
Touche with the Rancid and Deftones! 🤗🤗 I prefer the JCM though, more string details & less compression; it relies more on your power picks for more drive, as well as simplicity & less is (always) more (at least for me). Cheers for the great riffing dude!
What year is that silver burst? Probably my favorite of all your guitars! Just scored a great deal on a mint 2012 Les Paul Custom in Ebony. Fairly confident it has a richlite board based on the serial number. Super cool regardless 😎
had the jcm and it was amazing... that being said, i bought a friedman combo for gigging as its easier to transport than a 1/2 stack...... never looked back. as far as getting a good mix in a venue, the friedman is effortlessly perfect everytime.
I would love to check one of those out again. I only played one at NAMM for a few minutes which is not a great environment to check an amp out. Thanks for checking out the video!
Nothing beats that JCM 800 when it comes to Grunge rock and RATM!! 🤘🏻🤘🏻💪🏻🔥 it just sounds bigger and rounder. Love the BE100 too, it’s an animal no doubt. Just different tools for different things.
I was preparing for some crazy metal lead playing. Instead I was presently surprised by some good rhythm. Both killer heads, I think I like the Friedman.
I can't stand a demo that's 99% leads mainly because I'm just a simple rhythm pop punk and skate punk guitarist 😂, but leads also don't full show the amps full potential.
I personally find it harder to find good soloing tones than good rhythm, and for me soloing is a lot more fun than chugging two or three strings, that's why I usually test amps for 99% solo tones because I know once I find the sweet spot, all I have to do is turn down the mid and gain knobs and it's instant power chord mayhem bliss
I just found this video. Instant Subscribe. I’ve been looking for this type of comparison for a while and this is awesome. I have a ‘79 LPC Silverburst, Friedman BE-100 (just before the deluxe came out) and a ‘76 Marshall JMP 2203. Very close to the same gear you’re using. If I had to sell one I’d probably opt for one of my kidneys. Awesome video man, I’ll be sure to check out your other videos.
Great comparison! Friedman sounds amazing, but not going to lie it sounded a bit compressed, Marshall was more open and had a bit of extra bite. I do like the "plexi cleans" on the friedman a lot. But you probably have to pay twice as much to get a friedman, migh tas well go for the real deal. Also Wangs makes a hand wired jcm800 that sounds amazing for 500 bucks
Something about the bite, clarity, openness of the JCM800 makes it clear winner. The Friedman sounded great however all the knows and switches would be tying your own noose when playing out live.
The Small Box is an outstanding amp, the channel switching seems to be just right. The 800 is still the business. Record with 800, gig with the friedman
Congrats for the pleasent alternative riffs as Smashing Pumpkins and STP 😉. I was surprised there were almost no clean sounds or at least relatively clean sounds 🙃
In my ears the treble and presence departement sounds more convinient on the Marshall. Plus more focused audible mids. I think the reaction of playing these amps says a lot😉
Also had this thought but every single BE100 demo sounds different from one another so until I play one in person I will never know. But yeah in this clip the JCM just kills the Friedman. Completely
Hey is that Roots Radicals at 3:08? Edit: Your riff choice is so vast in this video. AMAZING demo. Also, sweet Custom! I just got a used 90’s white custom that’s getting worked on by a tech in less than two weeks. TUSQ Nut etc. it’s already that Randy Rhoads Marlboro color. Can’t believe it’s mine \m/
Hah! Yep, Roots Radicals. Love that whole record! And yes! Tough to beat a white Custom. I'm on the hunt for one at the moment. Thanks for checking out the video.
I briefly owned a JCM800 in the mid 90s but because I had spent many years playing solid state amps, I was used to getting a good, high gain sound at low volume. The 800 sounded thin, buzzy & dry at low volume. I bought it cheap and quickly sold it cheap. Man I wish I still had it. However, I'm very happy now with my DSL40c. It's more versatile & higher gain than an 800. It also sounds great at reasonably low volume and it has built in reverb. It's the amp I always wanted. PS. I also had an early 70's metal panel 50watt head that a good friend basically gave me(for $200!). It sounded fμ¿king AMAZING! However, I severely hurt my back a year later and lost it in pawn. Although I regret selling the 800, it's that early 70's Marshall that still haunts me. She's the one that got away. Btw, Great tones here bro!
A volume pedal for the 800 will open up a whole new world for you and that amp. The 800 with a volume pedal to clean it up and a od pedal to kick it up a notch will sound way better and be way cheaper than the Friedman....
This is so true. The only beef with the 800 is it has to be cranked too loud for it to thicken up by then it's just ear piercing. The 'Friedmans i don't think have this issue. But tone wise .... 800's. They were recorded on more records than one can imagine.
Great choice of tunes you play to demo these fine rock amps. excellent. no silly blues wankering or impossible endless chugging.....just pure rock rythyms.
Braydon Barnum No to my ears the high gain on the JCM 800 was really good but the distortion was a little undesirable and didn’t ring notes as clear as the BE on the high gain setting.
I own both amps and they are great. If I had to have only one then it would be the Friedman for its versatility, and wailing tones. I should say that I also own the Marshall Jubilee which is a killer sounding amp too.
I agree with you on the Friedman. I'd love to check out a Jubilee at some point. I've only ever played one in a store real quick at low volumes, but it's been on my list of amps to check out for a while now. Thanks for watching!
@@ZachWish you wont be dissapointed in the jubilee live or in the studio through a decent box like the OX. As a matter of fact i was blown away by the sound through the OX. Its a great amp.
It just never ends how many amps one can have. Fun! Have a Jubilee Mini, killer sounding amp and so small , easy to carry. Has EL34's unlike the all the smaller Friedmans , which have EL84's tubes.
Marshall sounds more articulate in single notes and cords but the freedman has more hair and its always best to back off it a little bit especially in a band setting too much drive doesn't mix well with all the other frequencys makes it harder for me to hear what I'm playing. Maybe its just me.
So true. Also, when I hear isolated guitar tracks, I usually notice less gain than I thought was in the mix. I'm not sure why that is. The band makes the guitar seem dirtier.
Idk if that‘s just me, but Plush is one of the best riffs to check if your Distortion sounds good. If it sounds harsh you have to change something. Great demo!
Depends what you are after. If you just want that one sound, then the 800 is the way to go. But if you want versatility, Friedman is ultimately the better amp. I want haha
Not really. People don't know how to use their volume knobs anymore. And I guarantee for higher gain stuff the Marshall would sound way better with an od pedal compared to the Friedman od circuit
Both amps sound good. But they can sound great. What you have to do is to put 12AY7 pre-amp tubes. That will give you really fat tone and super focused. Right now tone is lost in too much gain as 12AX7 sound harsh here .2 Thanks for making this video.
Yeah, I think this recording sounds a bit harsh. I made a part 2 here: ua-cam.com/video/o7G9K2WhrOw/v-deo.html where I think they sound a lot nicer. Thanks for checking out the video!
@@ZachWish Yeah its a freakin mindbending piece of art!. All the possibilities with the 3 channels, gain switching and so on. I completely love it! I have never own an tube amp that lets me tailor every aspect of the sound in this manor. It can do all of the JCM800 to Plexi stuff and more. On top of that its very easy to find "your" sound. Im mainly playing it with my Gibson R8 LP, equipped with Dimarzio Super Distortion.
Great video! Two great amps! If you want the plexi sound, buy a plexi. If you want the 800 sound, buy that. If you want both in one box buy the Friedman. All beautiful amps! JT
Thanks very much! In this video I'm using the Suhr Reactive Load and this IR: Celestion Neo Creamback 412 C Hi-Gn All+Room. I'm thinking about making a "Part 2" to this video, because I'm not super happy with that IR choice. I think it sounds a little too bright/brash. Happier with the tones I'm getting in this video: ua-cam.com/video/xVICuuyeW5c/v-deo.html. In that video I'm using a 57 on the Suhr Cab that has Celestion Creamback H75's.
Man its real hard choice. Because i like the natural knock and tone of all marshalls up to the 800 series. And other amps based off the marshall transformer power section. So, do i spend $3000 on a friedman BE 100 deluxe? With multi channels and options? Or do i buy a new 2203X? Other thing is..... all the options on the friedman, im only going to be settling and playing mostly that one favorite overdrive distortion tone. So, do i buy a Marshall the real thing? Or? Hmm? Because really, the 800 here does seem more articulate and has a higher mid-snarl we all love. Or honestly, im thinking just settle for Marshall JVM 215C as in the peach guitars video demo of that amp. Do i really need 100 watts? I like the sound and tone in that video and the footswitching options capable of storing your settings. And, i can still use the the JVM on my 4x12 Marshall vintage cab w- 25 greenbacks. Basically playing in our basement studio and some outdoor small stage band jams. Im 59. Love all old classic and hard Rock. Can be very frustrating picking and choosing when chasing tone. Uug! Lol good video!
I know Iha plays a humbucker guitar but if you put a strat for 1979 I bet that Plexi channel would sound absolutely beautiful, good demo you usually get most out these amps!
Friedman kills it,But you can hear how far ahead of its time the jcm 800 was 30 plus years . I agree, a stereo rig would be incredible. What pickups are in the les paul ?
The Marshall wasn't far ahead (in the eighties), it lacked gain. You can merely get an AC/DC sound with it. You have to get some type of boost pedal in front. If it was far ahead they would have built it in..or add an extra gain stage. I know these amps so well, I used two of them in the eighties. In fact, Marshall was behind in the mid to late eighties.
@@Stefan-Van-der-Pulst That's not totally true. I don't recall what kind of guitar pickups were around then. However, I have a 2204, and once the master volume get past 5 with my Les Paul with Gibson 498's in it, does more than AC/DC. But yes a boost helps.
@@guitarexpert2245 First, past five on a 2204 or 2203 is ear blistering loud. You won't hear your drummer. And still, at that level you will have a bit more gain (output tube distortion) but not enough for metal. I used Dimarzio Super Distortions and later Duncans JB's, high output pu and still had to boost my 2203 with whatever I could get my hands on.. The 2204 I later had would break up a little sooner but I missed the punch and headroom from my 2203. In 1987 I bought the silver Jubilee but sold it after a few months. Didn't quite like the voicing although it had more gain.. But by that time all kind of amp and rack gear manufacturers had already surpassed Marshall.
@@ZachWish you bet, what's funny is your videos remind me of my buddy Sam Cavelo aka 90's punk covers so i was going to send one to him but I see he already follows you on Instagram 👍 ( i do now 😁)
it is true, that jcm800's fx Loop has a volume drop ? I ve got an evh 5150 III and im considering change it for an jcm800. But because i use a fractal fm3 throught the evh's fx loop im having second thouths about the marshall... the evh fx Loop is cristal clear =/
Friedman's are super nice but, I got my JVM410 for $1500 less and I have never heard a Friedman do anything the JVM can't. BANG for BUCK = Marshall. Great tones played by you on both these amps, you did a great job selling both of them.
Jim Marshall always said he kept the prices down so everyone could afford it. He was a generous man. Dave Friedman, is part of the new generation of Greed, marking up his amps to make a huge profit.
I read a lot of people saying Friedman’s don’t cut that well in a mix....which I think is largely user error. However, haven’t got to bring mine out since this Covid mess started. In your experience, is there a noticeable difference in live cut between these two?
Yeah, definitely user error. If you're not cutting through with a Friedman, you're doing something wrong. They can both be dialed to be very up front sounding. They're pretty different amps though. The Marshall is very stiff and bold and the bottom end can get a bit loose as you push the gain up high, where the Friedman is a lot more pleasing under the fingers in my opinion. A boosted 800 is a pretty undeniable tone though! But I wouldn't worry about either amp cutting. They'll both get the job done. Thanks for checking out the video!
The Friedman makes the Marshall look and sound like a toy, in my opinion. Of course, art, music, guitars, guitar equipment, and tones are subjective. You won't ever see Any Marshall Amp come with a Lifetime Warranty. This truthful statement carries alot of weight. Friedmans are so much more reliable, they aren't mass produced like Marshalls, while they might be quite a bit more expensive, you get what you pay for..Their tones are so much better than Marshall, If you buy the right Friedman Amp, they have an insane amount of tone mods, and their internal boutique quality parts are of a much better caliber than Marshall. Many people with Marshalls, send their ampheads and combos to Dave Friedman, to be made alot better and sound much better. Thanks for the enjoyable video. I subscribed a while back. I just wish that you would have given the Friedman the demo time that you gave to the Marshall..That's a damn sharp looking silverburst les paul. I love les pauls and their tones, I'm just too afraid to sink a few 1000's of dollars into a guitar, that has known quality control issues these days, that's hit or miss, and the fact that many les pauls have tuning stability issues. I prefer Heritage-150's that are les pauls, hand made, with the quality of a Gibson Custom Shop, for about half the price of a les paul custom. Heritage H-150's go for $2500, the price of a les paul standard. I also prefer the USA made, PRS single cut guitars, like a McCarty SC 594, and the USA made PRS Tremonti single cut. I have one of those and they are fucking amazing. Just like a hotrodded les paul, but with impeccable quality control. Have a good one bro. From Sonny in New Orleans, LA.
I disagree. Jim Marshall's entire idea was to make it affordable for the average person because he really cared. Not like Dave, who's prices are ridiculous. If it weren't for Marshall Dave wouldn't be around. Marshall invented it. Dave just improved on it. I have a 1982 Jcm 800 works perfect. How much more reliable can you get, it's almost 40 years old and sounds amazing. So saying that a Friedman is more reliable than a Marshall is B.S. They haven't even been around as long. I have friends who have Plexi's from the 70's that are still rocking. Marshall's cut through a mix better than any Friedman does. they have more high end midrage sizzle. Friedmans don't have the midrange sizzle, they have a deeper more compressed tone. More professional bands still use Marshall's over Friedmans. That's just a fact. But Friedman amps are surely awsome. Just priced way too high for the average person. Dave is milking it. Plus in this video he's comparing an amp from the 1980's to one from this decade. Not a fair comparison. Would you compare a car from 1988 to a car from today? No.
Friedman are just improved Marshalls... Of course Marshalls are mass produced so you have to find that one amp that sounds better than others. But for a non boutique amp from 40 years ago you can't blame. They were ahead of their time and are still used by many.
@@lovecraftmusic8717 Jim Marshall in his interviews always prefarced "affordable to everyone" He was a nice guy. But times were different back then. Greed wasn't around like it is now. These boutique amps are way overpriced. Dave Friedmans's said in interveiws the JCM 800 was the last good Marshall.
JCM 800 sound great with two or three in series LIVE turned up more than half way. But Friedman just has them beat if just for consistency in build/tone quality. JCM's tone is not the same on every unit. Friedman? you can bet on it. I'll stick with My Mesa MarkV. for right now though.....although its in the shop again LOL. great tone & chops. You'd make any band better.
I made an updated video! Check out Part 2 here: ua-cam.com/video/o7G9K2WhrOw/v-deo.html Thanks for checking these out!
I love the JCM 800!
I prefer the super leads over the JCM 800 but that’s just personal choice. A Friedman BE-100 makes the Marshall sound like a lunchbox with a empty thermos rattling around inside. You really should try one, traditions were made to be broken
@@michaeltrust5121 Not into it. But, I'm glad you like them! Variety makes a much better world of guitar playing flavors for our ear.
1:34 Friedman 6:04 Marshall
2:20 Friedman 6:46 Marshall
3:06 Friedman 7:42 Marshall
3:40 Friedman
4:36 Friedman
4:58 Friedman 8:53 Marshall
5:32 Friedman 9:52 Marshall
Ambos están geniales, pero me fascinó más el Jcm 800.
Although it has less gain, the top end on the JCM sounded more harmonically rich to me, than the Friedman... but they both sound incredible!
Holy hell!!! Finally someone who demos using songs that I'd use in my own application in terms of tone. There is a god. Insta sub. Not to mention same guitar I use. This really helps.
Right on! Appreciate the kind words. Thanks for watching.
The open sound of the jcm 800 is very pleasing. Such a staple.
Dude, both of these amps (and guitar!) sound phenomenal. Clarity and space between notes. Love this vid. Let’s play!
Excellent vid my dude. Only note I would make is I think gear shootouts like this work better when you intercut the two amps, pedals, guitars whatever. So play a riff on one amp then switch to the other, then back to the first for the next riff then back to the second etc. Makes it much easier for the viewer to get a feel for how they stack up against each other! Other than that, great playing, beautifully recorded! All sounds awesome!
Thanks a bunch! I definitely hear you on the AB / AB style format. I was thinking about that when I was putting it together, but I was finding it a bit boring. I think ultimately you're right though! Regardless, thanks a bunch for checking out the video!
I love how you played songs, and didn’t just solo/noodle around the fret board. Solid video 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Great video man!!!
Those are some really nice tones you got there thrown in with some nice 90's era songs. No demos like this way back then. No UA-cam too. Excellent work. Subscribed
Every time I start getting gas for a modern high gain amp, I watch a vid of a jcm and forget about them. Awesome vid man!
Thanks a bunch!
JCM 800 is definitely more articulate. You hear every string and I would bet it will cut through a mix just fine.
Very cool......thanks for taking the time to make a quality video.
The bb preamp I love this pedal, it sounded good on any amp I tried so far. Perfect video, not too much talking, and many riffs, played perfectly, good job !
Thanks very much!
My Marshall JCM800 & my PEAVEY 6505+ are the best investments I’ve ever made. Love them both
JCM 800 is perfection.
Dear lord the BE-100 sound gnarly 🔥🔥🔥 this and the 5150 are easily my favorite amps on the planet
Fantastic demo. You are an excellent player. That LP sounds amazing. You got a really good one there!
Thanks so much!
Thank you for the video, Zach. I always enjoy your videos. You’re a very tasty player.
Mike
Absolutely the best of the best here, That silver burst is my dream guitar with the Brown Eye or 800 you cant go wrong. Always loved your videos buddy you have great tones and great playing.
Thanks so much Bob! Really appreciate it.
Best JCM / BE comparison I've heard.
Touche with the Rancid and Deftones! 🤗🤗 I prefer the JCM though, more string details & less compression; it relies more on your power picks for more drive, as well as simplicity & less is (always) more (at least for me). Cheers for the great riffing dude!
You do really good demos..bravo! This one, and the VH-2 & BE100 videos were awesome. Keep goin' brutha...
Thanks man. Really appreciate it.
What year is that silver burst? Probably my favorite of all your guitars! Just scored a great deal on a mint 2012 Les Paul Custom in Ebony. Fairly confident it has a richlite board based on the serial number. Super cool regardless 😎
2007. Thanks for checking out the video!
@@ZachWish Nice bro! Have you done any mods or upgrades to it?
had the jcm and it was amazing... that being said, i bought a friedman combo for gigging as its easier to transport than a 1/2 stack...... never looked back. as far as getting a good mix in a venue, the friedman is effortlessly perfect everytime.
on a side note_ bogner helios..... holy cow
I would love to check one of those out again. I only played one at NAMM for a few minutes which is not a great environment to check an amp out. Thanks for checking out the video!
where do you gig during covid? asking for a friend.
@@ZachWish would love to hear you demo some Bogners like the 20th Anniversary Shiva amongst others. Never played through a Friedman or Bogner myself
Nothing beats that JCM 800 when it comes to Grunge rock and RATM!! 🤘🏻🤘🏻💪🏻🔥 it just sounds bigger and rounder. Love the BE100 too, it’s an animal no doubt. Just different tools for different things.
With the JCM he used a boost. With Friedman he just changed from plexi sound to BE channel. Personally I think Friedman sounded a lot better.
@Omigueldageografia a LOT better? Nah, it sounded pretty identical
Very nice comparison video!! Both sound Great!
Right on! Thanks a bunch.
I was preparing for some crazy metal lead playing. Instead I was presently surprised by some good rhythm. Both killer heads, I think I like the Friedman.
I can't stand a demo that's 99% leads mainly because I'm just a simple rhythm pop punk and skate punk guitarist 😂, but leads also don't full show the amps full potential.
Same, and agreed.
@@1thess523 You are right about that last part and I am guilty as charged for doing that!
I personally find it harder to find good soloing tones than good rhythm, and for me soloing is a lot more fun than chugging two or three strings, that's why I usually test amps for 99% solo tones because I know once I find the sweet spot, all I have to do is turn down the mid and gain knobs and it's instant power chord mayhem bliss
I just found this video. Instant Subscribe. I’ve been looking for this type of comparison for a while and this is awesome. I have a ‘79 LPC Silverburst, Friedman BE-100 (just before the deluxe came out) and a ‘76 Marshall JMP 2203. Very close to the same gear you’re using. If I had to sell one I’d probably opt for one of my kidneys. Awesome video man, I’ll be sure to check out your other videos.
Thanks so much Tom! Really appreciate you checking out the videos.
Great comparison! Friedman sounds amazing, but not going to lie it sounded a bit compressed, Marshall was more open and had a bit of extra bite. I do like the "plexi cleans" on the friedman a lot. But you probably have to pay twice as much to get a friedman, migh tas well go for the real deal. Also Wangs makes a hand wired jcm800 that sounds amazing for 500 bucks
Hah! Loved the lil Rancid medley. Great playing and tone, can’t go wrong with either amp, I love my Small Box to death. Cheers 🍻
Right on! Thanks a bunch!
That's why I own a Small Box and a 2203. Love Both. ❤
You seriously should release that backing track! I dig it.
Your playing is disgusting. Super precise. You had me at the My Own Summer riff.
Damn that smashing pumpkins was perfect!
I don’t think so, but it sounds nice
They both sound amazing! Great shootout!
The Friedman is insane but the JCM can get raunchy too. Really regret selling mine, even more so after seeing this video haha.
800 sounds glorious! Friedman is also amazing!
Something about the bite, clarity, openness of the JCM800 makes it clear winner. The Friedman sounded great however all the knows and switches would be tying your own noose when playing out live.
The Small Box is an outstanding amp, the channel switching seems to be just right. The 800 is still the business.
Record with 800, gig with the friedman
I like both but I'll take the Friedman since it's more versatile and probably more reliable.
Did not expect Rancid in this, but delighted.
Love that record! Thanks for checking out the video.
If I blind fold myself and listen, it's the Marshall for me and I didn't expect that!
There is a clarity about the Marshall that, as awesome as it sounds and as versatile as it is, the Friedman doesn't match.
Congrats for the pleasent alternative riffs as Smashing Pumpkins and STP 😉. I was surprised there were almost no clean sounds or at least relatively clean sounds 🙃
you got that Smashing Pumpkins tone there...
In my ears the treble and presence departement sounds more convinient on the Marshall. Plus more focused audible mids. I think the reaction of playing these amps says a lot😉
Controversial opinion here - Friedmans do not have the Marshall mids. Great amps in their own right but they don't really sound like a Marshall.
Also had this thought but every single BE100 demo sounds different from one another so until I play one in person I will never know.
But yeah in this clip the JCM just kills the Friedman. Completely
Hey is that Roots Radicals at 3:08?
Edit: Your riff choice is so vast in this video. AMAZING demo. Also, sweet Custom! I just got a used 90’s white custom that’s getting worked on by a tech in less than two weeks. TUSQ Nut etc. it’s already that Randy Rhoads Marlboro color. Can’t believe it’s mine \m/
Hah! Yep, Roots Radicals. Love that whole record! And yes! Tough to beat a white Custom. I'm on the hunt for one at the moment. Thanks for checking out the video.
Great amps. For me I prefer the JCM 800. I think a 4210 risk to be more aggressive and modern than the Friedman.
the friedman sounds great! but nothing beats a jcm800
Really enjoyed this! Thanks
The 800 sounds more articulate and warm. Friedman too compressed.
Both sound great, but I think I like the JCM better. Very rich harmonic content. Not as compressed as the BE
I briefly owned a JCM800 in the mid 90s but because I had spent many years playing solid state amps, I was used to getting a good, high gain sound at low volume. The 800 sounded thin, buzzy & dry at low volume. I bought it cheap and quickly sold it cheap. Man I wish I still had it.
However, I'm very happy now with my DSL40c. It's more versatile & higher gain than an 800. It also sounds great at reasonably low volume and it has built in reverb. It's the amp I always wanted.
PS. I also had an early 70's metal panel 50watt head that a good friend basically gave me(for $200!). It sounded fμ¿king AMAZING! However, I severely hurt my back a year later and lost it in pawn. Although I regret selling the 800, it's that early 70's Marshall that still haunts me. She's the one that got away. Btw, Great tones here bro!
Right on! Cool to hear you're digging the DSL40. Really dig that amp. They cover so much ground. Thanks for checking out the video!
Thanks for the awesome demo !. I prefer the Marshall !!
Like always great playing spectacular sound love it. Way to go thank you very much
Personally i would go with the friedman just because of the build quality, but both are just phenomenal.
So damn good either one of these amps is all anyone would ever need
Agreed. Love both.
A volume pedal for the 800 will open up a whole new world for you and that amp. The 800 with a volume pedal to clean it up and a od pedal to kick it up a notch will sound way better and be way cheaper than the Friedman....
This is so true. The only beef with the 800 is it has to be cranked too loud for it to thicken up by then it's just ear piercing. The 'Friedmans i don't think have this issue. But tone wise .... 800's. They were recorded on more records than one can imagine.
What a coincidence, I am so close to pulling the trigger on a silver burst on reverb and then this video pops up on my feed. Lol!
Great choice of tunes you play to demo these fine rock amps. excellent. no silly blues wankering or impossible endless chugging.....just pure rock rythyms.
Right on! Thanks so much!
Am I the only one who really preferred the Friedman sound?
Braydon Barnum No to my ears the high gain on the JCM 800 was really good but the distortion was a little undesirable and didn’t ring notes as clear as the BE on the high gain setting.
I own both amps and they are great. If I had to have only one then it would be the Friedman for its versatility, and wailing tones. I should say that I also own the Marshall Jubilee which is a killer sounding amp too.
I agree with you on the Friedman. I'd love to check out a Jubilee at some point. I've only ever played one in a store real quick at low volumes, but it's been on my list of amps to check out for a while now. Thanks for watching!
@@ZachWish you wont be dissapointed in the jubilee live or in the studio through a decent box like the OX. As a matter of fact i was blown away by the sound through the OX. Its a great amp.
It just never ends how many amps one can have. Fun! Have a Jubilee Mini, killer sounding amp and so small , easy to carry. Has EL34's unlike the all the smaller Friedmans , which have EL84's tubes.
Marshall sounds more articulate in single notes and cords but the freedman has more hair and its always best to back off it a little bit especially in a band setting too much drive doesn't mix well with all the other frequencys makes it harder for me to hear what I'm playing. Maybe its just me.
So true. Also, when I hear isolated guitar tracks, I usually notice less gain than I thought was in the mix. I'm not sure why that is. The band makes the guitar seem dirtier.
Idk if that‘s just me, but Plush is one of the best riffs to check if your Distortion sounds good. If it sounds harsh you have to change something. Great demo!
Thanks so much. I feel the same way, definitely been a soundcheck riff haha.
Love the choice of music. Jcm i think had a more clear sound.
Awesome demo and playing as usual! What was the first riff you played with each amp?
Thanks! That's "Shame On You" by Aerosmith. Great tune. Thanks for watching!
@@ZachWish Cheers mate! time to learn it!
Depends what you are after. If you just want that one sound, then the 800 is the way to go. But if you want versatility, Friedman is ultimately the better amp. I want haha
Not really. People don't know how to use their volume knobs anymore. And I guarantee for higher gain stuff the Marshall would sound way better with an od pedal compared to the Friedman od circuit
@@BrandonEht HAHA, smoke another one.
@kommi1974 he's right. I own a modded jcm800 2203 from 1984 it absolutely crushes my buddies BE100. In every single way
Both amps sound good.
But they can sound great.
What you have to do is to put 12AY7 pre-amp tubes.
That will give you really fat tone and super focused.
Right now tone is lost in too much gain as 12AX7 sound harsh here
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Thanks for making this video.
Yeah, I think this recording sounds a bit harsh. I made a part 2 here: ua-cam.com/video/o7G9K2WhrOw/v-deo.html where I think they sound a lot nicer. Thanks for checking out the video!
Thanks to this video I went poor. And got me BE-50 Deluxe. Its amazing.
Right on! Congrats on the amp and thanks for checking out the video!
@@ZachWish Yeah its a freakin mindbending piece of art!. All the possibilities with the 3 channels, gain switching and so on. I completely love it! I have never own an tube amp that lets me tailor every aspect of the sound in this manor. It can do all of the JCM800 to Plexi stuff and more. On top of that its very easy to find "your" sound. Im mainly playing it with my Gibson R8 LP, equipped with Dimarzio Super Distortion.
Great video! Two great amps! If you want the plexi sound, buy a plexi. If you want the 800 sound, buy that. If you want both in one box buy the Friedman. All beautiful amps! JT
Thanks for checking it out! I've got a part 2 coming up soon!
@@ZachWish nice, I look forward to it. I subbed too.
hey Zach, awesome sound and visuals, what camera and lens are you working with?
Thanks! I use a Canon EOS R with a 24-70mm and a 50mm lens.
Loving the Aerosmith, cool
demo!
Awesome! Thanks for checking it out.
not JUST aerosmith... Done With MIrrors aerosmith. love that album! couldn't go with one of the easy ones like walk this way or last child could he?
@@user-qr7ee2cp4y Love Last Child. So groovy. Thanks for checking out the video!
Very nice tones and great playing my friend. Did you used the IR or 2x12 cab / mic? What speakers are in the cab?
Thanks very much! In this video I'm using the Suhr Reactive Load and this IR: Celestion Neo Creamback 412 C Hi-Gn All+Room. I'm thinking about making a "Part 2" to this video, because I'm not super happy with that IR choice. I think it sounds a little too bright/brash. Happier with the tones I'm getting in this video: ua-cam.com/video/xVICuuyeW5c/v-deo.html. In that video I'm using a 57 on the Suhr Cab that has Celestion Creamback H75's.
@@ZachWish Thanks.. Look forward to see it.. Always enjoyed your demo..!
I love em’ Both!!!
This man KNOWS how to solve a problem with making decisions!😁
I like your style,, BUY EM BOTH!👍
800 is universes better - natural, organic and you can hear the strings without a mushy low mid mess
I'm all about that "hairy metal 80s tone" but I agree with you. Friedmann is to compressed to me.
JCM by miles but i may be a bit biased i have a 86 2204 and also enjoy the BB pre amp along with it ,,
Man its real hard choice. Because i like the natural knock and tone of all marshalls up to the 800 series. And other amps based off the marshall transformer power section. So, do i spend $3000 on a friedman BE 100 deluxe? With multi channels and options? Or do i buy a new 2203X? Other thing is..... all the options on the friedman, im only going to be settling and playing mostly that one favorite overdrive distortion tone. So, do i buy a Marshall the real thing? Or? Hmm? Because really, the 800 here does seem more articulate and has a higher mid-snarl we all love. Or honestly, im thinking just settle for Marshall JVM 215C as in the peach guitars video demo of that amp. Do i really need 100 watts? I like the sound and tone in that video and the footswitching options capable of storing your settings. And, i can still use the the JVM on my 4x12 Marshall vintage cab w- 25 greenbacks. Basically playing in our basement studio and some outdoor small stage band jams. Im 59. Love all old classic and hard Rock. Can be very frustrating picking and choosing when chasing tone. Uug! Lol good video!
Sick video. First time watching you. 5:30 rift? It’s familiar just can’t remember.
Thanks! That's "Born of a Broken Man" by Rage Against the Machine. ua-cam.com/video/hgmozyRzBxI/v-deo.html Certified banger.
I know Iha plays a humbucker guitar but if you put a strat for 1979 I bet that Plexi channel would sound absolutely beautiful, good demo you usually get most out these amps!
1:34 Friedman
6:03 Marshall
You should try the suhr Celestion greenback irs. Really like how that sounded with my Friedman.
Right on! I'll check them out. Thanks for the heads up.
Friedman kills it,But you can hear how far ahead of its time the jcm 800 was 30 plus years .
I agree, a stereo rig would be incredible.
What pickups are in the les paul ?
Definitely! The LP is stock with the 498T and 490R pickups.
@@ZachWish That's what I have in my Les Paul. I won't change them. High gain and can back off get great cleans.
The Marshall wasn't far ahead (in the eighties), it lacked gain. You can merely get an AC/DC sound with it. You have to get some type of boost pedal in front. If it was far ahead they would have built it in..or add an extra gain stage. I know these amps so well, I used two of them in the eighties. In fact, Marshall was behind in the mid to late eighties.
@@Stefan-Van-der-Pulst That's not totally true. I don't recall what kind of guitar pickups were around then. However, I have a 2204, and once the master volume get past 5 with my Les Paul with Gibson 498's in it, does more than AC/DC. But yes a boost helps.
@@guitarexpert2245 First, past five on a 2204 or 2203 is ear blistering loud. You won't hear your drummer. And still, at that level you will have a bit more gain (output tube distortion) but not enough for metal. I used Dimarzio Super Distortions and later Duncans JB's, high output pu and still had to boost my 2203 with whatever I could get my hands on.. The 2204 I later had would break up a little sooner but I missed the punch and headroom from my 2203. In 1987 I bought the silver Jubilee but sold it after a few months. Didn't quite like the voicing although it had more gain.. But by that time all kind of amp and rack gear manufacturers had already surpassed Marshall.
I believe I heard a little old school Rancid
Hai...Zach..your Riff and sound really crush my ear...🔥🔥...what is your pick up on your silver gibson...thanks
They're the stock Gibson 490R & 498T pickups. Thanks for checking out the video!
Yeah you're getting a sub from this pop punk and skatepunk rhythm guitarist here 👍. Nice quality demo (sound and visual)
Thanks a bunch bud!
@@ZachWish you bet, what's funny is your videos remind me of my buddy Sam Cavelo aka 90's punk covers so i was going to send one to him but I see he already follows you on Instagram 👍 ( i do now 😁)
Rad comparison!! Both rock!
Both sound great. What is that riff at 4.00? I know it but have gone blank.
Plush - Stone Temple Pilots
it is true, that jcm800's fx Loop has a volume drop ? I ve got an evh 5150 III and im considering change it for an jcm800. But because i use a fractal fm3 throught the evh's fx loop im having second thouths about the marshall... the evh fx Loop is cristal clear =/
Friedman's are super nice but, I got my JVM410 for $1500 less and I have never heard a Friedman do anything the JVM can't. BANG for BUCK = Marshall. Great tones played by you on both these amps, you did a great job selling both of them.
Thanks a bunch! I LOVE the JVM. Great bang for the buck and I'd happy play shows with that amp. Thanks for checking out the video.
Jim Marshall always said he kept the prices down so everyone could afford it. He was a generous man. Dave Friedman, is part of the new generation of Greed, marking up his amps to make a huge profit.
FIRE! Plz review a PEAVEY TRANSTUBE NEXT THANK U FROM BELGIUM
THEY COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER....NEED THE DIFFERENCE 👍 RUN THEM IN STEREO THROUGH A STEREO 4 BY 12, OR TWO CABS. TRY BOTH, ITS TOPS
The Marshall just has the correct mid tone bite.
I read a lot of people saying Friedman’s don’t cut that well in a mix....which I think is largely user error. However, haven’t got to bring mine out since this Covid mess started. In your experience, is there a noticeable difference in live cut between these two?
Yeah, definitely user error. If you're not cutting through with a Friedman, you're doing something wrong. They can both be dialed to be very up front sounding. They're pretty different amps though. The Marshall is very stiff and bold and the bottom end can get a bit loose as you push the gain up high, where the Friedman is a lot more pleasing under the fingers in my opinion. A boosted 800 is a pretty undeniable tone though! But I wouldn't worry about either amp cutting. They'll both get the job done. Thanks for checking out the video!
The 800 Marshall breath - more dynamic - awesome
The Friedman makes the Marshall look and sound like a toy, in my opinion. Of course, art, music, guitars, guitar equipment, and tones are subjective. You won't ever see Any Marshall Amp come with a Lifetime Warranty. This truthful statement carries alot of weight. Friedmans are so much more reliable, they aren't mass produced like Marshalls, while they might be quite a bit more expensive, you get what you pay for..Their tones are so much better than Marshall, If you buy the right Friedman Amp, they have an insane amount of tone mods, and their internal boutique quality parts are of a much better caliber than Marshall. Many people with Marshalls, send their ampheads and combos to Dave Friedman, to be made alot better and sound much better. Thanks for the enjoyable video. I subscribed a while back. I just wish that you would have given the Friedman the demo time that you gave to the Marshall..That's a damn sharp looking silverburst les paul. I love les pauls and their tones, I'm just too afraid to sink a few 1000's of dollars into a guitar, that has known quality control issues these days, that's hit or miss, and the fact that many les pauls have tuning stability issues. I prefer Heritage-150's that are les pauls, hand made, with the quality of a Gibson Custom Shop, for about half the price of a les paul custom. Heritage H-150's go for $2500, the price of a les paul standard. I also prefer the USA made, PRS single cut guitars, like a McCarty SC 594, and the USA made PRS Tremonti single cut. I have one of those and they are fucking amazing. Just like a hotrodded les paul, but with impeccable quality control. Have a good one bro. From Sonny in New Orleans, LA.
I disagree. Jim Marshall's entire idea was to make it affordable for the average person because he really cared. Not like Dave, who's prices are ridiculous. If it weren't for Marshall Dave wouldn't be around. Marshall invented it. Dave just improved on it. I have a 1982 Jcm 800 works perfect. How much more reliable can you get, it's almost 40 years old and sounds amazing. So saying that a Friedman is more reliable than a Marshall is B.S. They haven't even been around as long. I have friends who have Plexi's from the 70's that are still rocking. Marshall's cut through a mix better than any Friedman does. they have more high end midrage sizzle. Friedmans don't have the midrange sizzle, they have a deeper more compressed tone. More professional bands still use Marshall's over Friedmans. That's just a fact. But Friedman amps are surely awsome. Just priced way too high for the average person. Dave is milking it. Plus in this video he's comparing an amp from the 1980's to one from this decade. Not a fair comparison. Would you compare a car from 1988 to a car from today? No.
Friedman are just improved Marshalls... Of course Marshalls are mass produced so you have to find that one amp that sounds better than others. But for a non boutique amp from 40 years ago you can't blame. They were ahead of their time and are still used by many.
@@lovecraftmusic8717 Jim Marshall in his interviews always prefarced "affordable to everyone" He was a nice guy. But times were different back then. Greed wasn't around like it is now. These boutique amps are way overpriced. Dave Friedmans's said in interveiws the JCM 800 was the last good Marshall.
Marshall JCM800 for me
JCM 800 all the way, for me.
JCM 800 sound great with two or three in series LIVE turned up more than half way. But Friedman just has them beat if just for consistency in build/tone quality. JCM's tone is not the same on every unit. Friedman? you can bet on it. I'll stick with My Mesa MarkV. for right now though.....although its in the shop again LOL. great tone & chops. You'd make any band better.