A lot of people complain about a deep bed because it's more difficult to access but I much prefer a deep bed over a shallow one. Makes it easier to store and secure loose items. Plus if you have a bed cover a deep bed is more beneficial. The Jeeps bed is so shallow you wouldn't be able to fit much underneath a cover.
@@derikbishop3144 On a standard Colorado/Canyon I definitely agree with you. I have a Canyon and the steps make it extremely easy to get into the bed. They removed the steps from the ZR2 though so not only is the bed higher but you don't have that assistance.
@@derikbishop3144 Yeah basically they found out when doing serious off roading the sidesteps would get pinched shut so they removed them. So I don't expect them to put them back on.
The Duratracs on the ZR2 are great tires. I have them on my 2 door Jeep Jk. The tires are quiet on the road, and perform excellent offroad in most conditions.
I've had Jeeps forever. CJs, Cherokees, Grand Cherokees and Wranglers. l finally bought a ZR2 because l needed a truck. And let me tell you something that truck is FANFUCKINGTASTIC! It's on a Rubicon's level offroad and lightyears ahead on road. It tows my boat hauls all my camping gear and plenty of firewood for a weekend. Their visibility concerns are valid and I've moved my spare tire and cut the exhaust. I've also added baby skid plates for the rear shocks! I love it and my jeep friends are impressed too.
Yeah, I added the Datin shock skids on mine. Definitely a good investment, they're heavy duty. I also added the GM tire carrier for the bed and the AFE hi tuck DPF back exhaust. The factory under bed spare location and exhaust (especially the diesel exhaust) really aren't ideal for hitting the trail. I absolutely love my ZR2.
@@johnclevenger1475 No one is talking about a solid front axle because it's not 1995. Check out 11:20 and you'll see that the ZR2 actually scores HIGHER than the Jeep when both have their sway bar connected. The ZR2's sway bar is fairly easy to disconnect and unless you're really getting crazy it's not necessary.
Edmunds, I’m impressed with the quality of this video. It was informative and despite being long, was almost always giving good information and not wasting anybody’s time. I have mostly avoided edmunds since you got rid of Insideline, but this was a step in the right direction.
I just bought ZR2 Duramax Diesel and I love it. It goes anywhere. I was out wheeling in Hollister and it went everywhere that a lot of custom crawlers and side by sides went. I love it.
Good video, but I feel like the pricing was a bit off on what you’re getting. To list the ZR2 as “$43,495 base price,” you should come out and say it’s fully loaded as it’s the top of the line Colorado. What additional features are there really that would add more than a few thousand dollars, while the base price on the Jeep is for the lowest end, legit base model, some $20,000 cheaper than the model you tested. The Colorado you drove was a $43,000 model, the Rubicon you drove was over $60,000. List a “price as tested,” next time.
@Wumpity Wumplet news.pickuptrucks.com/2019/04/order-a-2020-jeep-gladiator-launch-edition-maybe-win-100k.html You're correct, it is outrageous, yet true. Google it, there are tons of sites reporting north of $60,000.
The video is comparing a $43,000 fully loaded ZR2 to a $60,000 fully loaded Rubicon but ending the video stating their similar "base prices." They didn't review a base model Gladiator, they reviewed a Rubicon. That's the issue I have with the video, and you're proof of how deceiving that is. Those two vehicles reviewed were implied to be the same price yet they are not.
I had a 2018 Jeep JLUR and traded it in, now I have a 2019 ZR2 - it is so much of a better vehicle. The Jeep may have better ultimate off-road capability - but to be honest I will never push my old JLUR or my ZR2 to that point. What I do experience is the infinitely better ride of the ZR2 on daily basis. I hated driving the Jeep on the highway - the ZR2 is really, really nice. It’s a better vehicle.
I have a ZR2 diesel and I have never owned anything like it. The torque of the diesel off road is so nice that I will never go back to a gas motor. Also I have got as good as 28mpg.
Sue Schwaber ... I bought a 1999 chevy suburban with a 6.5 turbo diesel and like you I will never go back to gas. My engine is in the machine shop now because I only got 427,000 miles before it lost a little compression. I like the diesel so much that I'm rebuilding the motor. The only things I replaced, other then the oil were the injectors and the turbo cartridge The machine shop said the cylinders were worn only 0.002 inches and the block had not warped. They kept asking "how many miles?' " 200 thousand?" You have the duramax diesel. I hear very good things about that engine.
@Kevin Prima how do they suck? They are more fuel efficient, create more torque can tow more, and are more reliable everyone in Australia use diesel 4wds which is saying something because if you break down in the Australian out back you'll die
i don't think the height of the bed or the load floor with the seat folded down is a big issue because alot of enthusiasts will lift their vehicle or put on bigger tyres anyways
As a third time Jeep Wrangler owner and a potential Gladiator buyer, I’m glad you did the angle tests (approach, breakover and departure). Very informative and will help me greatly in making my purchase.
Yeah I agree the ZR2 is extremely well balanced and is a far better vehicle! My ZR2 has been through hell and back and not giving me any problems whatsoever and you could zip over the dunes and Rockwell in stock form and it would blow the doors off of the Jeep hands down! Do you want to spend more money on tires you can do it with a ZR2 and a couple other modifications it would be unbeetable Beast! The ZR2 is the more comfortable vehicle off-road hands down not even close
Family, so you don't really need a truck, you want a glorified SUV that you think makes you look tough and rugged. LOL. You're just the kind of douches that drive up the costs.
@@daquanwalls5031 I'm sure I can afford way more than you 2 clowns I pay cash for everything I buy. Have fun with your 6 and 7 year loans. By they way, most people know the reason you buy trucks that you don't need is your low self esteem and your minuscule body parts. LOL
So jeep finally pulled out a pickup, but can't beat the ZR2. That's what I saw in this video. May not have been what they were saying, but I saw the ZR2 out performing the jeep.
Not sure what video you watched? Maybe the flat dirt roads, and the sand section. Technical trails there will be no comparison between the two stock vs stock. Not to mention the huge aftermarket for the gladiator already.
@@joshuaolson2493 take the zr2 to the hammers and see how long it lasts. The gladiator already did it. Skid plates are there for a reason. BTW I have done the hammers myself. The Chevy wouldn't have a prayer.
Did you watch the right video? In what way did the Zr2 outperform the Jeep? If anything these two we're fanboying the Zr2 they bought for long term review. At the beginning, they complained and shut off the fancy multi-matic suspension wasn't properly calibrated. Both trucks slid along the tubular obstacle in their armored sections, yet the chevy dragged the exhaust. The jeep outperformed in the RTI test that they did. AND it has a lower tow rating than ANY of the trims for the Gladiator. They even complained about the bed also. Talk about being a shill for all the salty Chevy fanboys out there. They liked the Jeep so much because it was better in a lot of ways. Also, good luck replacing those fancy shocks on the Zr2 out of warranty costing almost 1k a side.
@@0253AMC actually youre right - i dont know anything about trucks. But if i was to buy a truck id only buy the jeep and most likely the rubicon model since i own a jl rubicon and its the baddest thing on the streets in my city.
@@0253AMC , first. In this video review. The 3 hour ride there and back ZR2. The Tubes ZR2 didn't drag The higher speed ZR2. ZR2 is smoother, you saw him bouncing in the jeep while trying to talk. They didn't show anything where the jeep would out perform the zr2. Remember, this is the jeep truck and until you lift it and put 35/37tires on it.. The ZR2 is better. Where the zr2 loses is being able to handle 37 inch tires. But those are stock trucks... And you can disconnect the front sway bar on the ZR2 if you really want to. It's just not electronic an easy.
@@outherree , that's correct. I had both a JK recon and a JKU AEV jeep. I do miss being able to remove those things. I don't miss having to put them back on though...lol.
@guy proulx my original comment was that they complain about the bottom mount spare but they have a bed mounted option. you're talking about not having space in the bed all I'm saying there are other 4x4 with even less cargo space
Wish they had put the lockers to the test... I mean, that's the feature the separates these two rigs from everything else and if you're really in the gunk there is nothing like front and rear lockers. I LOVE Jeeps but am not liking the extra long wheelbase and rear overhang on the Gladiator.
I watch alot of March 30th release video of jeep Gladiator at 12am and so far your environment and reviews are much more entertaining. I love the scenery. 🚙
These two trucks stand out above all the others because they have LOCKERS! Too bad the "Off Road Comparison" part of this video did not even address their most valuable features.
The Ram Power Wagon has true front/rear lockers AND a winch. It's just too damn big in its 2500 configuration. Still just as capable in testing as the zr2 minus the approach angles and articulation
Zr2 for the win for me. It overall performs better. On the way to the trial it drives great and on the trail it dose even better. Drove better on the obstacles without scrubbing and has more power and torque
less towing, less suspension travel. for offroad that chevy is a piece of shit. no front locker. no front sway disconnect. just add 35's to the Jeep and you will miss your skid plates. But thats why they are there. Spend 500$ on springs and raise the jeep an inch or two. Dont need lots of power for a crawler.
idk man. the low range wasnt that good. The guy couldn't see out of it offroad which is kind of necessary when you're out on your own. The lower towing is a joke. Seriously, look at what campers you can tow under 5000 lbs. None of those are really something you'd want to live with. The tall bed makes it hard to get in and get things out of. I mean it really missed the mark. Yes it drives slightly better on the highway, but so does a sportscar. Needing someone to direct you on obstacles means it's worse at going over them. You can't really fault a Jeep for using it's engineered solution to get over obstacles
@@jaysony1989 but it has ifs so if you have the front locker on you will most likely snap a front cv pretty easily . not saying it's a bad truck... but it's not really comparable to a jeep
It felt like the guy driving the zr2 was attempting to be objective. It felt like the guy driving the Jeep was paying Jeep back for letting them have early access to a Gladiator. But honestly, can't go wrong with either truck. I was split 50/50 on them, and went with the Zr2 because I didn't want to wait, and was able to pick it up for the price of a lower trim gladiator. I also already see too many Wranglers on the road, and the Zr2 is more distinctive, as it is its own thing, not a variation of something else. Gladiator looks cool, but I could see it going the way of the Hummer where it looks tacky in 3 years after we've seen too many of them.
Even when he found a negative, he'd gloss over them and always make sure to say it's not that bad anyway, then immediately get on the radio and list about 10 persevied negatives on a truck he wasn't even driving.
You choose well. The only thing a Gladiator has going for it is tow/haul numbers, which are far surpassed by a full size truck, which would not only be much more comfortable, capable, and less expensive, but not much bigger to boot.
I think it comes down to what you intend to use your truck for. The ZR2 is better on the highway and higher speed dirt roads. The Jeep is better in the slow extreme off road. Sway bar disconnect in the rubicon and lockers. The ZR2 is probably a more refined and smoother ride on the street. Jeeps are not going to beat a Zr2 or Tacoma on the street, but they aren't designed to. The straight axle Jeep will always rule extreme off road.
true, the Tacoma and ZR2 are more towards on-road work trucks converted for off-road and desert racing. The Gladiator is an off-road truck converted to road use. its just geared for much more technical climbs
As a ZR2 owner, that's always been my views on all these trucks. Maybe to bring in a larger view of the off road spectrum, jeep is the king of rock crawling, the raptor is the king of desert racing, and the rest fall somewhere in between.
That's true... That is if you ignore the Gladiator has a better interior, better outward visibility, offers a manual as an option, has a higher payload rating and has a higher towing rating.
V8Supercar1 I’m not buying an overlanding vehicle to tow a horse trailer. I have no desire for a manual, and I can upgrade the interior later if I want.
And 35’s stock. This vehicle needs 35’s. At that point. It will be without reproach in the off road department. If Jeep dealerships were smart, they would offer 35’s on the floor.
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix because 9 out of 10 people will never have an issue with it in stock form. And the 1 person who will is probably going to mod it anyway.
@@linger2001 very true, but I'd be one of the few that would use this for offroading. The reason I like my discovery II so much is the short wheelbase for a 4 door. It has an amazing breaker angle.
I feel like Chrysler adding a 5 foot bed to a stock Wrangler frame was a bad choice because it looks like an aftermarket frame extension from a 3rd party mod compant
This was Car and Driver levels of bias. Edmunds just assumes the ZR2 isn't doing well on that section of road, claims they should have spent more time tuning in these conditions, maybe add an extra mode. It then literally cuts to Calvin stating how well the ZR2 was doing...... Love it......
Exterior: Gladiator - Iconic Look Interior: Gladiator, ZR2 looks cheap to me Engine: ZR2 Transmission: Tie Suspension: Preference Tow: Gladiator Payload: Tie On Road: ZR2 Off Road: Preference - High Speed (ZR2) Rock Crawling (Gladiator) MSRP: ZR2 Aftermarket: Gladiator
To me at least it seems the Gladiator is like the midsize Dodge Powerwagon...rugged, muscular but still capable off road but just not as nimble(?) or fast. Whereas the ZR2 is like the Ford Raptor....quick, fast(er) relatively speaking and fun. Comes down to I would say more work capable vs more spirited off road fun. Starting to appreciate the look of the Gladiator more now that its been out for a little bit especially from the side. Probably better with a set of 35s on it. Very cool review!
I've owned 3 Wranglers and 1 Chevy Colorado LT. I love my wranglers and wanted a Gladiator but I would say the colorado is a very good choice as well, especially with their AutoTrac 4WD system, making my life in the mountains of PNW so much easier. The only problem of Colorado is that no much aftermarket accessories to choose from.
I'm really surprised that neither of you commented on the gladiator ' s rear suspension. In the video, it looked like there wasn't any! The zr2 looked composed through all of the terrain that the gladiator looked like it was having a hernia.
Jeep did a great job with the Gladiator. Great job Jeep! That Zr2 can hold its own and is a great truck as well. Both are one oem v8 swap away from being an absolute monsters. Well see who takes that jump first.
There will be a hemi or hellcat Gladiator in the first month they are available for general sales. It will be $240K, but it will exist. (there already a company making jeep trucks out of Rubicon Wranglers and they cost a shitload).
It is very easy to find a v6 zr2 for under $40,000 new, diesels for $42,000. That is a bargain. There is no way the dealers with be giving discounts on the Gladiator anytime soon. So real world price difference is a bit higher.
@@SPNKr02 "STARTS" is the key word. 4X4 colorado/tacoma/rangers start at about $26k.... fully loaded Chevy Colorado with all the bells and whistles will barely break $48k. You want the fully loaded (compatible level) jeep? you are in the $64k ball park. So unless you are buying a bare bones jeep, you're spending way over the chevy or any other competitor. Jeep at all comparably equipped levels is about $8k to $10k more then any other mid sized trucks... its likely more off road capable and likely will have a much better resale then the others, but unless you've got money to burn or a die hard jeeper... this is way over priced... especially when everyone complains the other mid size trucks are too expensive.
The ZR2 can be modified easily to overcome small issues pointed out - relocate the spare to roof, bed or tailgate mount. Add an electric tailgate unlock and locking roll top bed cover for a fully locked bed. Smaller cargo area is better? Only from a Jeep fanboy!
We all wanted Power Wagon capability in a smaller truck and here it is. And I'm not sure if I like it. I have to see one "in the wild" to be sure but it just looks too awkward off road compared to the ZR2.
Funny how in the "washboard" part of the ride, the guy in the Chevy -- you can HEAR the bumps in his voice -- you can hear he is being shaken. The guy in the Jeep sounds like he's driving on a highway. Listen from 4:30-4:37 or so to really hear it.
It's funny that they said a solid front axle offers more articulation than an independent front end, then when they get on the RTI the ZR2 scores better. Take the swaybar off and it would do as good as the Gladiator.
The Multimatic DSSV killed the the Fox set up on the Jeep on those washboards/whoops. The dude in the Jeep could barely talk he was bouncing so much. The ZR2 appears to handle like a desert racer. The Jeep was so out of sorts at speed.....great crawler but that is about it. Speed = fun = ZR2. What is up with the guy driving the Jeep talking about the ZR2 DSSV needing tuning for off road while it looked like he was going to get whiplash in that Jeep - hahahaha. Then they head to the tubes for departure angle checks/clearance. Jeep is on 33" tires and ZR2 is on 31" tires - stock for each vehicle so I am glad they did that and didn't swap tires. The stock ZR2 easily handled the tubes (makes you wonder if you really need to mount 33" tires on the ZR2 unless you are serious hard core off road/crawling) yet the Jeep was grinding all over the place and the journalists doing this test were acting as if the ZR2 had no chance. The speed difference in which the tubes were run by the ZR2 and Jeep was substantial -- the ZR2 was done in 1/2 the time. All in all though video was very informative - no matter the spin the video doesn't lie. Turn off the sound and watch the performance of each truck. Going to drop some coin on a ZR2. Journalist..."The ZR2 makes a little bit more hp and torque, its not a significant amount" Ok. So 23 hp and 15 lb-ft of torque isn't significant? Holy crap and consider the Gladiator's curb weight is going to be in the ball park of a few hundred pounds more. That is significant. Payload capacity for the ZR2 = 1247 lbs not 1,100.......ua-cam.com/video/Pay08E43GpE/v-deo.html. So payload of 1247 for ZR2 and 1,160 for the Jeep. A deep bed is negative? The Jeep in this video can't even haul a few boxes of oranges w/o them looking like they are going to topple over the top of the bed side. There are very few applications in which a low bed side is preferable. Dunes.....ZR2 does a full circle around the Jeep while the Jeep can't gain speed or get pointed in a direction Jeep guy....."I got better approach clearance and I disconnected my sway bar" -- I guess that didn't play out so well in the tubes and mud trail. The faces are priceless. By the end of this video I couldn't figure out if this was a set up for the Jeep or did the journalists really expect it to trounce the ZR2 and then when it got beat, tried to explain it away? 2021 ZR2 = $45,395. 2021 Jeep Gladiator Rubicon with options that are standard on the ZR2 = 52,590
I honestly think jeep is its own market. Chevy is in the mid size truck market and jeep is in the jeep market. If someone wants a gladiator they are usually not comparison shopping.
Frank Smith - This ^ guy gets it!! The jeep is in the ‘specialty vehicle category’ like the Ford Raptor, for instance. whereas the Chevy is solidly in the midsize truck category! If you have any doubts check out the price that dealers are asking for the Gladiator!! In my area they retail for $55k - $65k!
Well, I've wanted a truck for a long time but I love my Wrangler. I thought the Gladiator was the obvious answer (my heart wants it), I'm kind of wondering if a "normal truck" and keeping my '07 Wrangler would be the best option. Still not ready financially anyway to buy today. So, I'm a Jeep guy but maybe keeping my Jeep would still make me a Jeep guy :)
Comparison tests involving Jeeps are almost pointless because if you want a Jeep, you want a Jeep and nothing else will do. That said, I'm impressed with the ground clearance of the ZR2 and totally get the desert truck thing- the more the merrier. Good review and keep the off-road stuff coming!
This channel doesn't understand trucks.. the bed of the zr2 is too deep?! and you weren't kidding 😒 Next thing you'll be saying is 5ft beds are too long😂
I haven't read or seen a SINGLE video or article from a mainstream automobile journalist that understands trucks, ever! 3/4 or 1 ton tests are the absolute worst. And right, the more I can haul, the better. I only consider 3/4 and 1 ton pickups fit for work these days.
That's true but don't you think they are getting a little too high? I'm 6'6" and even I find my 2014 Sierra a bit difficult when trying to fish an item out of the back of the bed that has slide to the middle or front. Sure it easier to haul more but I want kick it where the sun don't shine when something slides just out of reach. Heck my Dad needs a step ladder on his 2016 RAM with that junky air ride that lowers the truck. It's one of the things I missed on my old 2001 F150.
The jeep is good for a daily commuter and mall crawler and even better so with the diesel, but only biased fans would say its ahead of the game in its class. I love the look of both but if i had to choose one id go with the zr2 diesel.
The ZR2 was more capable in this comparison.The ZR2 had better clearance both break over and at the rear. The Jeep really scraped bad on the break over obstacle. Realize the Jeep used here has 33" tires and the ZR2 has 31". Put the 33's on the ZR2 and you have a fair comparison. The ZR2 with the Jeeps 33" tire would be way better at everything and add the Diesel engine and it's better still. The Jeep looks like it came strait out of the 1950's, pretty ugly for my taste. I've read that the 2019 Jeep Wrangler and Rubicon have a crash rating of 1 which is inexcusably and ridiculously bad. A off road comparison test with trucks having front and rear lockers should involve terrain that requires their use. This comparison does not test the true capabilities of these trucks.
"Put the 33's on the ZR2 and..." Okay, then put 35's on the Gladiator since it's designed out of the gate for them. 35" and a Dana44 with 4:10's and that glorious 8spd is a tough package to beat. The Jeep looks is why I bought one, and why they are beloved... not some latest melted form design of a new car. It's classic. I understand it's not for everyone, and THAT is the reason for some to like it. The jeep safety rating was a European rating based upon latest gadget and gaggles, and was not based upon the actual crash safety of the Jeep. The GLADIATOR will score higher (as will the 2019 Wrangler) since they meet more of the gadget crowds needs. Both of these trucks are as safe as any other new car/truck. The ZR2 is a fancy car with a bed. The interior comfort is much better. This is what it does well. The Gladiator is a truck based on a Wrangler. This is made for serious off road work.
@@mcoffroadinaz4075The point is to make the comparison as fair, equal and useful as possible by using the same size tire on both trucks being compared otherwise it's not a usable comparison. For example: Doing a track time comparison between and Porsche with racing slicks and a Mclaren with all season radials would be a completely useless waste of time. Yes you can have an escalating tire size war and the truck that has the biggest tire will more than likely outperform the one with the smaller tire for off road. This tells you nothing in comparing the capabilities of two trucks. You always have to control any variables that you can in order to make a useful evaluation. The ZR2 diesel package is less money and will outperform the Jeep even better than the gas V6.
I really like both. The ZR2 is perfect for my central NJ location, but I really like the Gladiator and its jeep capability as well as the fact you can get a manual transmission. But if I HAD to choose one as a daily, probably the ZR2. If the Gladiator came with a hemi(I know it wont) orif the diesel came with a stick, I'd grab that
Great review. As a ZR2 owner, I like the removable top feature on the Gladiator. I was impressed that the ZR2 appeared to handle the obstacles a little better than the Gladiator. I was hoping to see a little more of the capabilities of these two machines. I would love it if you guys did another review and threw in the Tacoma TRD Pro and the Ranger 4X4. Keep up the good work.
I loved the Jeep until I saw how much it dragged. As a person who’s done hard core off roading that will get you trapped fast! Jeep costs more plus needs upgrades to compete? The ZR2 won this in my eyes.
@@sjw811 Not sure where you're getting that information. With the GM incentives out there, you can pick up a ZR2 for under $40k. I got one with almost every option for $37k.
If you really did "hard core off roading" than you'd realize a couple of things: You are comparing stock vehicles... which you wouldn't be doing any "hard core off roading" in anyway. So, since we know that, which one is more receptive to modification? Without a doubt its the Gladiator. Solid axles front and rear, giving more articulation. Simple to lift. Made to take new bumpers, a winch, lights, etc. The ZR2 can't even accept a winch mount. You know what will get you trapped fast? Damage from a poorly designed and protected undercarriage that was never meant to be on an off road vehicle. A lack of recovery options. Less capability to air down in rough terrain. There is no doubt which of these vehicles is more capable off road, and touching skids has nothing to do with it. You know very little about wheeling, and it shows.
This comment section has me rolling. People be mad because these guys have an opinion and dont love how big the bed is, and "big knobby tires" come on guys those really are big and knobby compared to any normal street tire.
The Jeep also has front and rear lockers, as well as electronic disconnecting sway bars. There will be a diesel next year. You are correct about the shorter wheelbase, but you can put 35 inch tires on the Jeep without any further modifications, which would help with the breakover angles. I will say this for the Colorado, the Bison is pretty cool, but AEV could not do much else with it as far as suspension because Chey did not want to have them move the mounts for those big ass shocks they have. I will be curious to see how well tose hold up over time with heavy use. Not to mention the Bison is very difficult to get a hold of due to low production numbers. Both are cool Enjoy what you got!
The ZR2's decrease in towing is more due to not enough airflow going through the nose to keep it cool without the airdamn present on the lower trim levels...test it and you will find out for yourself...owned both the Z71 and now the ZR2
Would have loved to have seen an off-road race of some sort but other than that overall great video. There was some details left out about the ZR2 such as the bed rear tire holder that can be optioned from the factory. Also would have been nice to have an unbiased opinion on the Jeep Gladiator since Dan already owns a Jeep Wrangler. Still got my thumbs up!
ZR2 looks better, jeep is probably a better experience. Better visibility, can get a manual, manual t-case (solenoids transfer cases SUCK), and you can put the top down. I'd be very interested if it came in a shorter cab & a half version, or even a single cab.
They kept talking about how much more clearance and approach angle the Jeep had but it kept scraping the rear bumper in places the ZR2 didn’t touch either bumper. Win for ZR2. Aftermarket could easily give Jeep the win.
The jeep looks like something I would drive in my 20's, but couldn't afford in my 20's. The Zr2 still has the badass factor, but more respectable for the lion's share of the market who can actually afford these trucks.
Nice comparison review, very informative. I think the Jeep is getting too much credit as an off road machine here. The articulation is nice on paper but with that wheelbase it will never be a rock crawler. Once you get over the rock you will just come crashing down on some expensive part and it will be a bad day. Both trucks will be at home running in the dunes or on washboard roads and some mild 4x4 trails. I think the IFS and the shock damping of the Chevy makes more sense for what these trucks are actually good at.
@@georgenewman5860 lol no it's not. Two solid axels > IFS, lockers, 4:10 gears , Sway bar disconnect, not to mention towing capacity. The gladiator beats all other mid size trucks hands down.
@@makiveli2006Two solid axles < IFS when it comes to ride quality and handling. If you are doing desert off roading, sand, washboards, etc. the Colorado will be the much better ride. If you think the Gladiator is going to be a rock crawler, look at the wheelbase and think again.
The problem is the Gladiator is too long and has a pretty bad break-over angle so while the straight axels, disconecting sway bar and the front and rear lockers are nice, the wheelbase is just too long and you're better off geting a Wrangler Unlimited
you're spot on. they gotta get off jeeps nuts so we can get a legitimate comparison. that break over angle is terrible. that wash they took it through both trucks could've done in 2wd. but they put the Colorado in 4 low?? no mention of lockers? crazy how many gladiator fanboys there are even before anyone owns one lol.
If all the praise was to the ZR2 it’d have been okay though? I think they were excited about it and a lot of good things were said about the ZR2 as well.
just want to say we dont buy solid axle cars because of the way they drive on the highway. either it doesnt bother you like with me or you get used to it. what we are after is the off road capability the flex gets better the higher you go unlike IFS. IFS only flexes as much as it would stock when lifted.
Been a jeep fan/owner my entire life but , ZR2 or nothing for me. The gladiator is just way too long and ugly. Everything behind the front seats is hideous, in my opinion. I'd love to see you put 7,000 lbs behind the jeep to test FCA's best in class tow rating. I'm guessing after an underware change you'd agree that 5,000 lbs is about as much as you want to tow with a midsize v6 truck.
That 7k towing capacity is only the lowest trim Sport model with the auto transmission. If you get any trim with a manual trans the towing capacity is only 4k lbs.
I tow a ~5500lb camper with my 2018 Colorado z71 and it's fine with a weight distributing hitch. It's also rated to 7000. The mileage sucks but it pulls fine.
@@ParkerLumpee To each their own. I 've seen too many people crash their shit because the load they are pulling weighs more than their tow vehicle. It's not the power or gas milage that worries me, it's what happens in a panic situation when you are pulling a load that weighs more than your tow rig . I pull a 5500 lb jeep/trailer combo with a fullsize 1500 Z71 and couldn't imagine using a smaller truck....
@@bdd1469 it's all about weight loading, wheelbase, and if you have trailer brakes. The problem on the jeep wranglers was that they had very short wheelbases. My diesel Colorado is a crew cab with long bed. I've towed a couple boats and a couple campers around 7k lbs with no problems. I'm not saying its ideal because that is a lot of weight but it gets it done easy.
@@derikbishop3144 Lol. I think you misunderstood. The wrangler isn't towing anything, it's on a car trailer being towed by a long box 1500... I totally understand weight bias, trailer brakes, proper loading , etc.. I've towed hundreds of thousands of miles all across the country with trucks and trailers of all kinds.
Great review!! Keep it up. Love how thorough this was you covered all kinds of terrain and even a ramp index. And I think you are spot on with the good and bad of each.
If you don't have the extra money for a Specialty Vehicle for everyday driving and off-road there's nothing better than the ZR2! The chief doesn't come close to the ZR2 when it comes to comfort! ZR2 could probably use a little bit softer seats maybe some of the Jeeps buttons but it has better cargo capacity and it is a pickup truck meant to carry cargo and have fun with off-road! The Jeeps only benefit as far as I'm concerned it's a fact that you can make it at convertible open Ride.
@@foghelmut Yeah I know the old Colorado had two posts for which to connect the tailgate cables, however this loop thing seems potentially problematic. If you have a lot of weight those cables might be okay looped over, but a big bounce could cause them to slack and drop off making for a very messy cleanup. Not sure why Jeep is advertising it like that unless it really has a secure foot.
Yeah, but it starts at 43.5 for a Rubicon and a TRD Pro starts at 41.7...i completely agree that the Gladiator is expensive, but it's not out of line with similar stuff.
Sounded like a Jeep commercial. I drove both the Rubicon and the ZR2 and just bought a ZR2. There was no comparison. As far as height issues and visibility, my wife is 5' 2" and loves it. I might never get to drive it!
Those final words of explanation were great. Makes me want to take my truck out west to those beautiful places. A 4x4 truck should make an excellent overlanding vehicle with a popup bed camper!
Very bias review, the Gladiator driver was definitely sucking up to Jeep, it bottomed out more than the Colorado and yet he says it's better offroad?!?! The ZR2 is the easy winner, more power, lighter, cheaper, more maneuverable and a lot better daily driver.
Or just get mopars 2 inch lift haha. Plus most people will never take their trucks off-road so not a big deal. If a Jeep guy or girl get this they’d probably put the extra 2 inch lift on it anyway.
@@fj400007 you clowns act like fiat fired everyone, closed all the plants, moved the plants overseas, and imported Fiats with whatever logos on them. The same people that built them before Fiat build them now. Just like when Mercedes owned controlling share in them. Stop with the stupid crap already. GM takes money from the Chinese. Heck Buick is mostly made in China last I heard. At least Fiat is moving the plants back to America unlike some other manufacturers
Totally agree Ferguson. I knew the Jeep driver would say Jeep would win. ZR2 has a diesel option as well. If you want to see a real unbiased review, see TFL, they're the best...
Chevy needs to drop a 5.3 in this bad boy and it would smoke a Raptor.Or build a ZR2 1LE. Aluminum LT4, trailing arms and coils in back for 55k, or full independent in back with the Vette transaxle tucked up inside the frame to avoid damage and improve weight distribution for 65k.
You guys are in my backyard. I'm from the imperial valley. All the solar farms you pass when getting down the hill just pass the windmills on the interstate 8 i helped build.
The complaints of high bedsides are irrelevant when it comes to the true reason they are so high. Most put a tonneau cover on their truck and it’s really nice to still have a depth of 21” or more with the cover closed. Allows for a lot more capacity of gear and especially an expedition cooler. The shallow beds on some trucks really suck. The gladiator has a puny 17.5” of depth prior to even putting on a topper. That sucks.
A lot of people complain about a deep bed because it's more difficult to access but I much prefer a deep bed over a shallow one. Makes it easier to store and secure loose items. Plus if you have a bed cover a deep bed is more beneficial. The Jeeps bed is so shallow you wouldn't be able to fit much underneath a cover.
Plus getting in and out is easy because the built in bumper step. I use it all the time.
@@derikbishop3144 On a standard Colorado/Canyon I definitely agree with you. I have a Canyon and the steps make it extremely easy to get into the bed. They removed the steps from the ZR2 though so not only is the bed higher but you don't have that assistance.
@@Greg-wz7fk well I did not know that. They should figger that out then.
@@derikbishop3144 Yeah basically they found out when doing serious off roading the sidesteps would get pinched shut so they removed them. So I don't expect them to put them back on.
That's why step sides need to make a return
The Duratracs on the ZR2 are great tires. I have them on my 2 door Jeep Jk. The tires are quiet on the road, and perform excellent offroad in most conditions.
Quiet in the road? I own the ZR2 and these tires are the loudest I've ever had.
I've had Jeeps forever. CJs, Cherokees, Grand Cherokees and Wranglers. l finally bought a ZR2 because l needed a truck. And let me tell you something that truck is FANFUCKINGTASTIC!
It's on a Rubicon's level offroad and lightyears ahead on road.
It tows my boat hauls all my camping gear and plenty of firewood for a weekend.
Their visibility concerns are valid and I've moved my spare tire and cut the exhaust. I've also added baby skid plates for the rear shocks! I love it and my jeep friends are impressed too.
Yeah, I added the Datin shock skids on mine. Definitely a good investment, they're heavy duty. I also added the GM tire carrier for the bed and the AFE hi tuck DPF back exhaust. The factory under bed spare location and exhaust (especially the diesel exhaust) really aren't ideal for hitting the trail. I absolutely love my ZR2.
Diesel?
@@pedrohizzle2835 yes.
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@@johnclevenger1475 No one is talking about a solid front axle because it's not 1995.
Check out 11:20 and you'll see that the ZR2 actually scores HIGHER than the Jeep when both have their sway bar connected.
The ZR2's sway bar is fairly easy to disconnect and unless you're really getting crazy it's not necessary.
Edmunds, I’m impressed with the quality of this video. It was informative and despite being long, was almost always giving good information and not wasting anybody’s time. I have mostly avoided edmunds since you got rid of Insideline, but this was a step in the right direction.
I agree 👍
I’m not good at explaining things but you explained it very well and I think that he did a very good job on the video
Agreed! I hardly use Edmunds for anything anymore since they got rid of insideline and their website became so user unfriendly.
I just bought ZR2 Duramax Diesel and I love it. It goes anywhere. I was out wheeling in Hollister and it went everywhere that a lot of custom crawlers and side by sides went. I love it.
Nice.
This just makes me realize how much I love my P4X Frontier and the upgrades I’m working on for it
The more I see the ZR2, the more I love it.
It’s a sexy truck that’s for sure especially compared to the base Colorado
That automatic transmission though😒
A just like the original zr2s compared to the base 2wd s10s
It's a cheap Raptor is all....
Surfside agree
I like this. Clear, simple, comprehensive and technical presentation, with minimal fussy editing or music.
Good video, but I feel like the pricing was a bit off on what you’re getting. To list the ZR2 as “$43,495 base price,” you should come out and say it’s fully loaded as it’s the top of the line Colorado. What additional features are there really that would add more than a few thousand dollars, while the base price on the Jeep is for the lowest end, legit base model, some $20,000 cheaper than the model you tested. The Colorado you drove was a $43,000 model, the Rubicon you drove was over $60,000. List a “price as tested,” next time.
@Wumpity Wumplet news.pickuptrucks.com/2019/04/order-a-2020-jeep-gladiator-launch-edition-maybe-win-100k.html
You're correct, it is outrageous, yet true. Google it, there are tons of sites reporting north of $60,000.
The video is comparing a $43,000 fully loaded ZR2 to a $60,000 fully loaded Rubicon but ending the video stating their similar "base prices." They didn't review a base model Gladiator, they reviewed a Rubicon. That's the issue I have with the video, and you're proof of how deceiving that is. Those two vehicles reviewed were implied to be the same price yet they are not.
This video production was *legit* - had to have been a complex undertaking. Thanks for putting this together!
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I had a 2018 Jeep JLUR and traded it in, now I have a 2019 ZR2 - it is so much of a better vehicle. The Jeep may have better ultimate off-road capability - but to be honest I will never push my old JLUR or my ZR2 to that point. What I do experience is the infinitely better ride of the ZR2 on daily basis. I hated driving the Jeep on the highway - the ZR2 is really, really nice. It’s a better vehicle.
I have a ZR2 diesel and I have never owned anything like it. The torque of the diesel off road is so nice that I will never go back to a gas motor. Also I have got as good as 28mpg.
So basically you drive whatever loaner they have at the GM dealer? I haven't run into one person with that truck who hasn't had massive issues.
There's nothing quite like a diesel.
@Kevin Prima wow ur informed
Sue Schwaber ... I bought a 1999 chevy suburban with a 6.5 turbo diesel and like you I will never go back to gas. My engine is in the machine shop now because I only got 427,000 miles before it lost a little compression. I like the diesel so much that I'm rebuilding the motor. The only things I replaced, other then the oil were the injectors and the turbo cartridge The machine shop said the cylinders were worn only 0.002 inches and the block had not warped. They kept asking "how many miles?' " 200 thousand?"
You have the duramax diesel. I hear very good things about that engine.
@Kevin Prima how do they suck? They are more fuel efficient, create more torque can tow more, and are more reliable everyone in Australia use diesel 4wds which is saying something because if you break down in the Australian out back you'll die
i don't think the height of the bed or the load floor with the seat folded down is a big issue because alot of enthusiasts will lift their vehicle or put on bigger tyres anyways
As a third time Jeep Wrangler owner and a potential Gladiator buyer, I’m glad you did the angle tests (approach, breakover and departure). Very informative and will help me greatly in making my purchase.
Yeah I agree the ZR2 is extremely well balanced and is a far better vehicle! My ZR2 has been through hell and back and not giving me any problems whatsoever and you could zip over the dunes and Rockwell in stock form and it would blow the doors off of the Jeep hands down! Do you want to spend more money on tires you can do it with a ZR2 and a couple other modifications it would be unbeetable Beast! The ZR2 is the more comfortable vehicle off-road hands down not even close
If you do get a gladiator they have an optional lift kit from the factory. I suggest you get it solved most of the problems.
I'll take the ZR2.
There are so many categories under "off-road". It's hard to say one is a better offroader than the other.
My family loves our ZR2!! Such a fun truck.
Family, so you don't really need a truck, you want a glorified SUV that you think makes you look tough and rugged. LOL. You're just the kind of douches that drive up the costs.
Monsterbaby if you complain about the prices of trucks, you most likely cant afford anything to tow.
@@daquanwalls5031 I'm sure I can afford way more than you 2 clowns I pay cash for everything I buy. Have fun with your 6 and 7 year loans. By they way, most people know the reason you buy trucks that you don't need is your low self esteem and your minuscule body parts. LOL
What engine?
@@stubby1122 the type of nigga to never take his whole family off-roading
So jeep finally pulled out a pickup, but can't beat the ZR2. That's what I saw in this video. May not have been what they were saying, but I saw the ZR2 out performing the jeep.
Madman9mm ,,,,yikes,,,,,then you watched a different video.
Not sure what video you watched? Maybe the flat dirt roads, and the sand section. Technical trails there will be no comparison between the two stock vs stock. Not to mention the huge aftermarket for the gladiator already.
@@doch5123 the technical trails where the jeep gets high centered all the time? cool story fan boy
@@joshuaolson2493 But the skid plate slid right over.
@@joshuaolson2493 take the zr2 to the hammers and see how long it lasts. The gladiator already did it. Skid plates are there for a reason. BTW I have done the hammers myself. The Chevy wouldn't have a prayer.
I like jeeps too.
But the dude was a jeep fan boy.
The zr2 out performed the Gladiator in this video.
maybe a bit but you cant take the doors or roof off the zr2 lol
Did you watch the right video? In what way did the Zr2 outperform the Jeep? If anything these two we're fanboying the Zr2 they bought for long term review. At the beginning, they complained and shut off the fancy multi-matic suspension wasn't properly calibrated. Both trucks slid along the tubular obstacle in their armored sections, yet the chevy dragged the exhaust. The jeep outperformed in the RTI test that they did. AND it has a lower tow rating than ANY of the trims for the Gladiator. They even complained about the bed also. Talk about being a shill for all the salty Chevy fanboys out there. They liked the Jeep so much because it was better in a lot of ways. Also, good luck replacing those fancy shocks on the Zr2 out of warranty costing almost 1k a side.
@@0253AMC actually youre right - i dont know anything about trucks. But if i was to buy a truck id only buy the jeep and most likely the rubicon model since i own a jl rubicon and its the baddest thing on the streets in my city.
@@0253AMC , first.
In this video review.
The 3 hour ride there and back
ZR2.
The Tubes
ZR2 didn't drag
The higher speed ZR2.
ZR2 is smoother, you saw him bouncing in the jeep while trying to talk.
They didn't show anything where the jeep would out perform the zr2.
Remember, this is the jeep truck and until you lift it and put 35/37tires on it..
The ZR2 is better.
Where the zr2 loses is being able to handle 37 inch tires.
But those are stock trucks...
And you can disconnect the front sway bar on the ZR2 if you really want to.
It's just not electronic an easy.
@@outherree , that's correct.
I had both a JK recon and a JKU AEV jeep.
I do miss being able to remove those things.
I don't miss having to put them back on though...lol.
They complain about the spare tire on the zr2 but they have a bed mounted option
@guy proulx jeeps have zero space but people still use them
@guy proulx my original comment was that they complain about the bottom mount spare but they have a bed mounted option. you're talking about not having space in the bed all I'm saying there are other 4x4 with even less cargo space
Nooooooo
Great vid guys. I've got a blue ZR2 and hope to take her out to a place like that one day.
Wish they had put the lockers to the test... I mean, that's the feature the separates these two rigs from everything else and if you're really in the gunk there is nothing like front and rear lockers. I LOVE Jeeps but am not liking the extra long wheelbase and rear overhang on the Gladiator.
The bison colorado has front/rear lockers and 2 higher then the zr2 shown here. That's the one I would get. If I didn't have my 14 2dr Rubicon.
I'm a Jeep guy but the Chevy looks good, more subtle. If it has the diesel engine even better.
I watch alot of March 30th release video of jeep Gladiator at 12am and so far your environment and reviews are much more entertaining. I love the scenery. 🚙
I’m in love with the Jeep Gladiator ❣️
These two trucks stand out above all the others because they have LOCKERS! Too bad the "Off Road Comparison" part of this video did not even address their most valuable features.
The Ram Power Wagon has true front/rear lockers AND a winch. It's just too damn big in its 2500 configuration. Still just as capable in testing as the zr2 minus the approach angles and articulation
Central Intelligence Agency Power Wagon the best truck on the market. Problem is it’s so fucking big and heavy that off roading can be a bitch.
Matt Steendahl My frontier pro4x has bilsteins, skid plates, and a rear locker.
@Revolvin GoattYeah, only drawback is it'll be a turd - forever.
I wish they had a regular cab or extended cab option. That truck is way too long for my needs.
i doubt they would sell well. Most of the customers are the people who buy jeeps and never offroad them
@@maxwell5428 just once I want to see a "which truck handles the grocery store parking lot better" video.
Nicholas Desmarais you do know that the Wrangler Unlimited is a thing, and has been for a very long time?
@Eazy Gunz check out the Dodge Ram 2500 v10 review by Top Gear.
Imagine if they could have made that Jeep like the Avalanche, so back seats can flip forward to get 8 feet of bed.
Impressive comparison. Best one I've seen from Edmunds in the aspect of off road usability comparisons. Nice work!
Zr2 for the win for me. It overall performs better. On the way to the trial it drives great and on the trail it dose even better. Drove better on the obstacles without scrubbing and has more power and torque
less towing, less suspension travel. for offroad that chevy is a piece of shit. no front locker. no front sway disconnect. just add 35's to the Jeep and you will miss your skid plates. But thats why they are there. Spend 500$ on springs and raise the jeep an inch or two. Dont need lots of power for a crawler.
idk man. the low range wasnt that good. The guy couldn't see out of it offroad which is kind of necessary when you're out on your own. The lower towing is a joke. Seriously, look at what campers you can tow under 5000 lbs. None of those are really something you'd want to live with. The tall bed makes it hard to get in and get things out of. I mean it really missed the mark. Yes it drives slightly better on the highway, but so does a sportscar. Needing someone to direct you on obstacles means it's worse at going over them. You can't really fault a Jeep for using it's engineered solution to get over obstacles
Buford the zr2 has front and back lockers
@@jaysony1989 but it has ifs so if you have the front locker on you will most likely snap a front cv pretty easily . not saying it's a bad truck... but it's not really comparable to a jeep
Buford “ifs”????
It felt like the guy driving the zr2 was attempting to be objective. It felt like the guy driving the Jeep was paying Jeep back for letting them have early access to a Gladiator. But honestly, can't go wrong with either truck. I was split 50/50 on them, and went with the Zr2 because I didn't want to wait, and was able to pick it up for the price of a lower trim gladiator. I also already see too many Wranglers on the road, and the Zr2 is more distinctive, as it is its own thing, not a variation of something else. Gladiator looks cool, but I could see it going the way of the Hummer where it looks tacky in 3 years after we've seen too many of them.
Bart87 and no Taco TRD pro
Even when he found a negative, he'd gloss over them and always make sure to say it's not that bad anyway, then immediately get on the radio and list about 10 persevied negatives on a truck he wasn't even driving.
You choose well. The only thing a Gladiator has going for it is tow/haul numbers, which are far surpassed by a full size truck, which would not only be much more comfortable, capable, and less expensive, but not much bigger to boot.
Excellent review. The Gladiator is very impressive. However, for my use, if I were in the market for a truck, I'd go with the ZR2.
Ford is the best
@@louisbarningham fk'd on race day 😝
Louis Barningham the best way to get to a mechanic
I think it comes down to what you intend to use your truck for. The ZR2 is better on the highway and higher speed dirt roads. The Jeep is better in the slow extreme off road. Sway bar disconnect in the rubicon and lockers. The ZR2 is probably a more refined and smoother ride on the street. Jeeps are not going to beat a Zr2 or Tacoma on the street, but they aren't designed to. The straight axle Jeep will always rule extreme off road.
true, the Tacoma and ZR2 are more towards on-road work trucks converted for off-road and desert racing. The Gladiator is an off-road truck converted to road use. its just geared for much more technical climbs
I understand your point, but why not just buy a wrangler rubicon and get the epic breakover if you're into serious crawling?
As a ZR2 owner, that's always been my views on all these trucks. Maybe to bring in a larger view of the off road spectrum, jeep is the king of rock crawling, the raptor is the king of desert racing, and the rest fall somewhere in between.
The only advantage the Jeep has over the ZR2 is the option to take the roof and doors off. Besides that, the ZR2 wins, hands down.
I personally like the option of a manual transmission available at any trim level. Plus best in class payload and towing.
That's true... That is if you ignore the Gladiator has a better interior, better outward visibility, offers a manual as an option, has a higher payload rating and has a higher towing rating.
V8Supercar1 I’m not buying an overlanding vehicle to tow a horse trailer. I have no desire for a manual, and I can upgrade the interior later if I want.
@@Patriot3791 Thats you. But my point is, they both have advantages over each other.
And 35’s stock. This vehicle needs 35’s. At that point. It will be without reproach in the off road department. If Jeep dealerships were smart, they would offer 35’s on the floor.
Gladiator basically needs a 2-3" lift and 35s from the factory because otherwise there is a lot more risk of damage.
Right! I can't understand why they chose such a long wheelbase on a vehicle like the Jeep.
Because they already have the wrangler JL 4 door? It comes from the factory with 33s and space leftover for 35s with literally doing nothing else.
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix because 9 out of 10 people will never have an issue with it in stock form. And the 1 person who will is probably going to mod it anyway.
@@linger2001 very true, but I'd be one of the few that would use this for offroading. The reason I like my discovery II so much is the short wheelbase for a 4 door. It has an amazing breaker angle.
I feel like Chrysler adding a 5 foot bed to a stock Wrangler frame was a bad choice because it looks like an aftermarket frame extension from a 3rd party mod compant
This was Car and Driver levels of bias. Edmunds just assumes the ZR2 isn't doing well on that section of road, claims they should have spent more time tuning in these conditions, maybe add an extra mode. It then literally cuts to Calvin stating how well the ZR2 was doing...... Love it......
On rough roads the Zr2 is the best vehicle that I have ever driven.
Feel like the colorado is still more of a truck than the gladiator
ptpvideogaming Why is that?
The colorado is a better truck on the street, but they have the same size bed. The gladiator has a higher payload.
Even though the jeep tows and hauls more?
And the Jeep has a solid front axle?
@@333jsh yep, that too. I'd take the jeep in a hearbeat
ZR2 all day - can't wait for them to refresh it a bit though and add some LED DRLs and HIDs.
My new 2022 Zr2 midnight special edition looks mean. Still has the halogens but that's an easy upgrade to LED. 🤙🏾
Just an Isuzu D-Max in other words: Don't get better than that
Exterior: Gladiator - Iconic Look
Interior: Gladiator, ZR2 looks cheap to me
Engine: ZR2
Transmission: Tie
Suspension: Preference
Tow: Gladiator
Payload: Tie
On Road: ZR2
Off Road: Preference - High Speed (ZR2) Rock Crawling (Gladiator)
MSRP: ZR2
Aftermarket: Gladiator
I agree. Well said. Gladiator does have a little higher payload though.
Gladiator has a manual option so I think it wins transmission. And the diesel coming out next year should tip the scales on engine too.
I think the gladiator looks weird and I own a Jeep jk
@@dilsher12 same. It's the rear doors. They used the same ones as the JL instead of designing new ones to save money and keep the aftermarket flexible
You think the exterior of the gladiator looks good? Also I completely disagree with the interior.
To me at least it seems the Gladiator is like the midsize Dodge Powerwagon...rugged, muscular but still capable off road but just not as nimble(?) or fast. Whereas the ZR2 is like the Ford Raptor....quick, fast(er) relatively speaking and fun. Comes down to I would say more work capable vs more spirited off road fun. Starting to appreciate the look of the Gladiator more now that its been out for a little bit especially from the side. Probably better with a set of 35s on it. Very cool review!
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I've owned 3 Wranglers and 1 Chevy Colorado LT. I love my wranglers and wanted a Gladiator but I would say the colorado is a very good choice as well, especially with their AutoTrac 4WD system, making my life in the mountains of PNW so much easier. The only problem of Colorado is that no much aftermarket accessories to choose from.
I'm really surprised that neither of you commented on the gladiator ' s rear suspension. In the video, it looked like there wasn't any! The zr2 looked composed through all of the terrain that the gladiator looked like it was having a hernia.
I guess were both watching a different show .I 'm pretty sure I heard the guy's voice shaking in the ZR2 from the chevy;s suspension . LOL
A dynamic spool valve suspension on a truck?? That's definitely unique.
Is it too much to ask for a 2 door gladiator with a shorter wheelbase?
great job. this is the first video I'm aware of that shows the Jeep Gladiator with top off, doors off and windshield down.
Did y'all just say the bed is too deep ? y'all aren't real truck guys
It's probably just cause they're 5'-2" tall.
Great review. Nice to see something thorough and on a real test course.
Jeep did a great job with the Gladiator. Great job Jeep! That Zr2 can hold its own and is a great truck as well. Both are one oem v8 swap away from being an absolute monsters. Well see who takes that jump first.
V8 Swap... member when the Colorado came with an all aluminum 5.3L V8?
I'm more interested in what the diesel option for the gladiator will be like tbh.
There will be a hemi or hellcat Gladiator in the first month they are available for general sales. It will be $240K, but it will exist. (there already a company making jeep trucks out of Rubicon Wranglers and they cost a shitload).
@@t4thfavor1212 You have always been able to get a pick up truck style hard top kits for $2k-$5k if thats you're thing.
@@Sir.VicsMasher What does that have to do with a V8 Gladiator? This comment is confusing.
I'll keep the zr2 v6. It's a winner in my books.
It is very easy to find a v6 zr2 for under $40,000 new, diesels for $42,000. That is a bargain. There is no way the dealers with be giving discounts on the Gladiator anytime soon. So real world price difference is a bit higher.
There will be discounts on the gladiator 100%
Gladiator starts at 35k
@@SPNKr02 "STARTS" is the key word. 4X4 colorado/tacoma/rangers start at about $26k.... fully loaded Chevy Colorado with all the bells and whistles will barely break $48k. You want the fully loaded (compatible level) jeep? you are in the $64k ball park.
So unless you are buying a bare bones jeep, you're spending way over the chevy or any other competitor.
Jeep at all comparably equipped levels is about $8k to $10k more then any other mid sized trucks...
its likely more off road capable and likely will have a much better resale then the others, but unless you've got money to burn or a die hard jeeper... this is way over priced... especially when everyone complains the other mid size trucks are too expensive.
Gladiator will be 60k loaded. Go try. Lol
@@SPNKr02 There's a chevy dealership by me that has a zr2 for $36,500
The ZR2 can be modified easily to overcome small issues pointed out - relocate the spare to roof, bed or tailgate mount. Add an electric tailgate unlock and locking roll top bed cover for a fully locked bed.
Smaller cargo area is better? Only from a Jeep fanboy!
We all wanted Power Wagon capability in a smaller truck and here it is.
And I'm not sure if I like it. I have to see one "in the wild" to be sure but it just looks too awkward off road compared to the ZR2.
Funny how in the "washboard" part of the ride, the guy in the Chevy -- you can HEAR the bumps in his voice -- you can hear he is being shaken. The guy in the Jeep sounds like he's driving on a highway. Listen from 4:30-4:37 or so to really hear it.
It's funny that they said a solid front axle offers more articulation than an independent front end, then when they get on the RTI the ZR2 scores better.
Take the swaybar off and it would do as good as the Gladiator.
The Multimatic DSSV killed the the Fox set up on the Jeep on those washboards/whoops. The dude in the Jeep could barely talk he was bouncing so much. The ZR2 appears to handle like a desert racer. The Jeep was so out of sorts at speed.....great crawler but that is about it. Speed = fun = ZR2. What is up with the guy driving the Jeep talking about the ZR2 DSSV needing tuning for off road while it looked like he was going to get whiplash in that Jeep - hahahaha. Then they head to the tubes for departure angle checks/clearance. Jeep is on 33" tires and ZR2 is on 31" tires - stock for each vehicle so I am glad they did that and didn't swap tires. The stock ZR2 easily handled the tubes (makes you wonder if you really need to mount 33" tires on the ZR2 unless you are serious hard core off road/crawling) yet the Jeep was grinding all over the place and the journalists doing this test were acting as if the ZR2 had no chance. The speed difference in which the tubes were run by the ZR2 and Jeep was substantial -- the ZR2 was done in 1/2 the time. All in all though video was very informative - no matter the spin the video doesn't lie. Turn off the sound and watch the performance of each truck. Going to drop some coin on a ZR2.
Journalist..."The ZR2 makes a little bit more hp and torque, its not a significant amount" Ok. So 23 hp and 15 lb-ft of torque isn't significant? Holy crap and consider the Gladiator's curb weight is going to be in the ball park of a few hundred pounds more. That is significant.
Payload capacity for the ZR2 = 1247 lbs not 1,100.......ua-cam.com/video/Pay08E43GpE/v-deo.html. So payload of 1247 for ZR2 and 1,160 for the Jeep.
A deep bed is negative? The Jeep in this video can't even haul a few boxes of oranges w/o them looking like they are going to topple over the top of the bed side. There are very few applications in which a low bed side is preferable.
Dunes.....ZR2 does a full circle around the Jeep while the Jeep can't gain speed or get pointed in a direction
Jeep guy....."I got better approach clearance and I disconnected my sway bar" -- I guess that didn't play out so well in the tubes and mud trail. The faces are priceless.
By the end of this video I couldn't figure out if this was a set up for the Jeep or did the journalists really expect it to trounce the ZR2 and then when it got beat, tried to explain it away?
2021 ZR2 = $45,395. 2021 Jeep Gladiator Rubicon with options that are standard on the ZR2 = 52,590
I honestly think jeep is its own market. Chevy is in the mid size truck market and jeep is in the jeep market. If someone wants a gladiator they are usually not comparison shopping.
Frank Smith - This ^ guy gets it!! The jeep is in the ‘specialty vehicle category’ like the Ford Raptor, for instance. whereas the Chevy is solidly in the midsize truck category! If you have any doubts check out the price that dealers are asking for the Gladiator!! In my area they retail for $55k - $65k!
Well, I've wanted a truck for a long time but I love my Wrangler. I thought the Gladiator was the obvious answer (my heart wants it), I'm kind of wondering if a "normal truck" and keeping my '07 Wrangler would be the best option. Still not ready financially anyway to buy today.
So, I'm a Jeep guy but maybe keeping my Jeep would still make me a Jeep guy :)
Comparison tests involving Jeeps are almost pointless because if you want a Jeep, you want a Jeep and nothing else will do. That said, I'm impressed with the ground clearance of the ZR2 and totally get the desert truck thing- the more the merrier. Good review and keep the off-road stuff coming!
I’m a Jeep guy, but would buy the ZR2 if I needed a truck. Better value & I like the design more than the Jeep. Jeep interior is nicer.
Towing and payload go to jeep too
I’d probably go with a Tacoma. Toyota is basically at reliability level 100.
ZR2 for me. The Gladiator looks good and all. The ZR2 is my choice.
A couple of snowflakes doing a comparison. “The bed is too deep” “The back seat folds down to high” it’s a freaken truck, a deep bed is good.
Guess that's why a major biz like Edmonds only has 150k subs lol
Love the depth. I've got a Decked storage system in the bed of my ZR2 and still have room on top for additional storage.
More like a snowflake in the comments can't handle someone else's opinion of a fucking truck bed.
It is a review though! At least they're out there in the dirt.
C Hoss not for poseurs!
Considering the Gladiator loaded is $65,000 I would take the Chevy over it any day of the week!
This channel doesn't understand trucks.. the bed of the zr2 is too deep?! and you weren't kidding 😒
Next thing you'll be saying is 5ft beds are too long😂
Surfside exactly
I haven't read or seen a SINGLE video or article from a mainstream automobile journalist that understands trucks, ever! 3/4 or 1 ton tests are the absolute worst. And right, the more I can haul, the better. I only consider 3/4 and 1 ton pickups fit for work these days.
I tuned out after he said ‘whoop dee doos’
Sounds like the dummest shit.
That's true but don't you think they are getting a little too high? I'm 6'6" and even I find my 2014 Sierra a bit difficult when trying to fish an item out of the back of the bed that has slide to the middle or front. Sure it easier to haul more but I want kick it where the sun don't shine when something slides just out of reach. Heck my Dad needs a step ladder on his 2016 RAM with that junky air ride that lowers the truck. It's one of the things I missed on my old 2001 F150.
Most truck guys complain about high sides IME. It's the ones who don't use the bed that don't care.
The jeep is good for a daily commuter and mall crawler and even better so with the diesel, but only biased fans would say its ahead of the game in its class. I love the look of both but if i had to choose one id go with the zr2 diesel.
The ZR2 was more capable in this comparison.The ZR2 had better clearance both break over and at the rear. The Jeep really scraped bad on the break over obstacle. Realize the Jeep used here has 33" tires and the ZR2 has 31". Put the 33's on the ZR2 and you have a fair comparison.
The ZR2 with the Jeeps 33" tire would be way better at everything and add the Diesel engine and it's better still.
The Jeep looks like it came strait out of the 1950's, pretty ugly for my taste. I've read that the 2019 Jeep Wrangler and Rubicon have a crash rating of 1 which is inexcusably and ridiculously bad.
A off road comparison test with trucks having front and rear lockers should involve terrain that requires their use. This comparison does not test the true capabilities of these trucks.
"Put the 33's on the ZR2 and..." Okay, then put 35's on the Gladiator since it's designed out of the gate for them. 35" and a Dana44 with 4:10's and that glorious 8spd is a tough package to beat.
The Jeep looks is why I bought one, and why they are beloved... not some latest melted form design of a new car. It's classic. I understand it's not for everyone, and THAT is the reason for some to like it.
The jeep safety rating was a European rating based upon latest gadget and gaggles, and was not based upon the actual crash safety of the Jeep. The GLADIATOR will score higher (as will the 2019 Wrangler) since they meet more of the gadget crowds needs. Both of these trucks are as safe as any other new car/truck.
The ZR2 is a fancy car with a bed. The interior comfort is much better. This is what it does well.
The Gladiator is a truck based on a Wrangler. This is made for serious off road work.
@@mcoffroadinaz4075The point is to make the comparison as fair, equal and useful as possible by using the same size tire on both trucks being compared otherwise it's not a usable comparison.
For example:
Doing a track time comparison between and Porsche with racing slicks and a Mclaren with all season radials would be a completely useless waste of time.
Yes you can have an escalating tire size war and the truck that has the biggest tire will more than likely outperform the one with the smaller tire for off road. This tells you nothing in comparing the capabilities of two trucks.
You always have to control any variables that you can in order to make a useful evaluation.
The ZR2 diesel package is less money and will outperform the Jeep even better than the gas V6.
@@mark-kf3md then put 35's on each without a lift.
@@mcoffroadinaz4075 Once again you have missed the point.
@@mark-kf3md thank you for making mine. :)
If FCA offered a Hemi option from the factory... they would sell every one of them. Also dreaming of a Colorado with the 5.3 liter V8 option.
Jeep already sells every single Wrangler they make and they'll do the same with the Gladiator, Hemi or not.
I really like both. The ZR2 is perfect for my central NJ location, but I really like the Gladiator and its jeep capability as well as the fact you can get a manual transmission. But if I HAD to choose one as a daily, probably the ZR2. If the Gladiator came with a hemi(I know it wont) orif the diesel came with a stick, I'd grab that
Great review. As a ZR2 owner, I like the removable top feature on the Gladiator. I was impressed that the ZR2 appeared to handle the obstacles a little better than the Gladiator. I was hoping to see a little more of the capabilities of these two machines. I would love it if you guys did another review and threw in the Tacoma TRD Pro and the Ranger 4X4. Keep up the good work.
I loved the Jeep until I saw how much it dragged. As a person who’s done hard core off roading that will get you trapped fast!
Jeep costs more plus needs upgrades to compete?
The ZR2 won this in my eyes.
Have fun taking the top off and folding the windshield of the ZR2. 😉
Jeep cost more? That Colorado starts at 41 base and damn near every one you see on the lot is knocking at 50k.
Jeep gladiator starts at 35
@@sjw811 Not sure where you're getting that information. With the GM incentives out there, you can pick up a ZR2 for under $40k. I got one with almost every option for $37k.
If you really did "hard core off roading" than you'd realize a couple of things: You are comparing stock vehicles... which you wouldn't be doing any "hard core off roading" in anyway. So, since we know that, which one is more receptive to modification? Without a doubt its the Gladiator. Solid axles front and rear, giving more articulation. Simple to lift. Made to take new bumpers, a winch, lights, etc. The ZR2 can't even accept a winch mount. You know what will get you trapped fast? Damage from a poorly designed and protected undercarriage that was never meant to be on an off road vehicle. A lack of recovery options. Less capability to air down in rough terrain. There is no doubt which of these vehicles is more capable off road, and touching skids has nothing to do with it. You know very little about wheeling, and it shows.
This comment section has me rolling. People be mad because these guys have an opinion and dont love how big the bed is, and "big knobby tires" come on guys those really are big and knobby compared to any normal street tire.
ZR2. Front/rear locker. Shorter wheel base. Diesel.
The Jeep also has front and rear lockers, as well as electronic disconnecting sway bars. There will be a diesel next year. You are correct about the shorter wheelbase, but you can put 35 inch tires on the Jeep without any further modifications, which would help with the breakover angles. I will say this for the Colorado, the Bison is pretty cool, but AEV could not do much else with it as far as suspension because Chey did not want to have them move the mounts for those big ass shocks they have. I will be curious to see how well tose hold up over time with heavy use. Not to mention the Bison is very difficult to get a hold of due to low production numbers. Both are cool Enjoy what you got!
The ZR2's decrease in towing is more due to not enough airflow going through the nose to keep it cool without the airdamn present on the lower trim levels...test it and you will find out for yourself...owned both the Z71 and now the ZR2
Duratracks aren’t “big knobby tires” 🙄
Seriously. These were the best guys they could find to test offroad trucks?
Compared to their daily Toyota pruis' 13 inch tires they are
Would have loved to have seen an off-road race of some sort but other than that overall great video. There was some details left out about the ZR2 such as the bed rear tire holder that can be optioned from the factory. Also would have been nice to have an unbiased opinion on the Jeep Gladiator since Dan already owns a Jeep Wrangler. Still got my thumbs up!
This missed alot on both sides. They didnt even talk about the front and rear lockers on the gladiator.
@@MrTrip3ace the zr2 also has front and rear lockers.
ZR2 looks better, jeep is probably a better experience. Better visibility, can get a manual, manual t-case (solenoids transfer cases SUCK), and you can put the top down. I'd be very interested if it came in a shorter cab & a half version, or even a single cab.
I was surprised by your video and enjoyed it. I didn’t know you did videos. Enjoyed and will look for more.
They kept talking about how much more clearance and approach angle the Jeep had but it kept scraping the rear bumper in places the ZR2 didn’t touch either bumper.
Win for ZR2.
Aftermarket could easily give Jeep the win.
I don't even want either of these vehicles but damn was this a well-made video. Edmunds, keep up the good work
So you're coming out of the closet with this post?
The jeep looks like something I would drive in my 20's, but couldn't afford in my 20's. The Zr2 still has the badass factor, but more respectable for the lion's share of the market who can actually afford these trucks.
Agreed, I’d buy it but not for another 10 years unfortunately
This by far is the best review. Unbiased and very informative. Thank you guys!
These guys suck balls
Price matters, I will pass on the Jeep Gladiator. I'm all for the ZR2!!
Nice comparison review, very informative.
I think the Jeep is getting too much credit as an off road machine here. The articulation is nice on paper but with that wheelbase it will never be a rock crawler. Once you get over the rock you will just come crashing down on some expensive part and it will be a bad day.
Both trucks will be at home running in the dunes or on washboard roads and some mild 4x4 trails. I think the IFS and the shock damping of the Chevy makes more sense for what these trucks are actually good at.
A stock Gladiator will never meet your expectations; however, a 4" lift and 35s would probably surprise you.
The jeep destroys the Colorado in every category except safety rating.
@@makiveli2006 Nonsense, they are both very good, neither destroys the other.
@@georgenewman5860 lol no it's not. Two solid axels > IFS, lockers, 4:10 gears , Sway bar disconnect, not to mention towing capacity. The gladiator beats all other mid size trucks hands down.
@@makiveli2006Two solid axles < IFS when it comes to ride quality and handling. If you are doing desert off roading, sand, washboards, etc. the Colorado will be the much better ride. If you think the Gladiator is going to be a rock crawler, look at the wheelbase and think again.
love them both but the jeep dragged it belly pretty hard,and smashed its rea,r, worse than the ZR2
The problem is the Gladiator is too long and has a pretty bad break-over angle so while the straight axels, disconecting sway bar and the front and rear lockers are nice, the wheelbase is just too long and you're better off geting a Wrangler Unlimited
@@Wynorrific and it's way too expensive
Give it 35s and it went over these obstacles no problem. But I agree with Casper...too expensive.
You can’t put big fat tires on Colorado. In a Jeep you can.
Derek Phantom Put some big fat tires on with spacers and lift in a Jeep. You can’t put bigger tires on Colorado.
A very nice review. I appreciate the points noted. I’ll have to watch more from your channel.
This comparison seems a little shady to me seems like they was doing a whole lot of praising to the jeep 😒 or is it just me
Tellie Smith just you it looks like.
you're spot on. they gotta get off jeeps nuts so we can get a legitimate comparison. that break over angle is terrible. that wash they took it through both trucks could've done in 2wd. but they put the Colorado in 4 low?? no mention of lockers? crazy how many gladiator fanboys there are even before anyone owns one lol.
Bought and paid for by the highest bidder
If all the praise was to the ZR2 it’d have been okay though? I think they were excited about it and a lot of good things were said about the ZR2 as well.
Edmund's biased shit everytime against GM, no matter how great their cars are, ZR2 easily beats the gladiator. The end.
just want to say we dont buy solid axle cars because of the way they drive on the highway. either it doesnt bother you like with me or you get used to it.
what we are after is the off road capability the flex gets better the higher you go unlike IFS. IFS only flexes as much as it would stock when lifted.
Been a jeep fan/owner my entire life but , ZR2 or nothing for me. The gladiator is just way too long and ugly. Everything behind the front seats is hideous, in my opinion. I'd love to see you put 7,000 lbs behind the jeep to test FCA's best in class tow rating. I'm guessing after an underware change you'd agree that 5,000 lbs is about as much as you want to tow with a midsize v6 truck.
That 7k towing capacity is only the lowest trim Sport model with the auto transmission. If you get any trim with a manual trans the towing capacity is only 4k lbs.
I tow a ~5500lb camper with my 2018 Colorado z71 and it's fine with a weight distributing hitch. It's also rated to 7000. The mileage sucks but it pulls fine.
@@ParkerLumpee To each their own. I 've seen too many people crash their shit because the load they are pulling weighs more than their tow vehicle. It's not the power or gas milage that worries me, it's what happens in a panic situation when you are pulling a load that weighs more than your tow rig . I pull a 5500 lb jeep/trailer combo with a fullsize 1500 Z71 and couldn't imagine using a smaller truck....
@@bdd1469 it's all about weight loading, wheelbase, and if you have trailer brakes. The problem on the jeep wranglers was that they had very short wheelbases. My diesel Colorado is a crew cab with long bed. I've towed a couple boats and a couple campers around 7k lbs with no problems. I'm not saying its ideal because that is a lot of weight but it gets it done easy.
@@derikbishop3144 Lol. I think you misunderstood. The wrangler isn't towing anything, it's on a car trailer being towed by a long box 1500... I totally understand weight bias, trailer brakes, proper loading , etc.. I've towed hundreds of thousands of miles all across the country with trucks and trailers of all kinds.
Great review!! Keep it up. Love how thorough this was you covered all kinds of terrain and even a ramp index. And I think you are spot on with the good and bad of each.
The fact the the Jeeps recirculating ball steering system is much stronger and safer than a rack and pinion off-road or hitting pot holes.
If you don't have the extra money for a Specialty Vehicle for everyday driving and off-road there's nothing better than the ZR2! The chief doesn't come close to the ZR2 when it comes to comfort! ZR2 could probably use a little bit softer seats maybe some of the Jeeps buttons but it has better cargo capacity and it is a pickup truck meant to carry cargo and have fun with off-road! The Jeeps only benefit as far as I'm concerned it's a fact that you can make it at convertible open Ride.
You can put the Chevy tailgate at a 45 by looping the cables over the lock posts or whatever they're called.
foghelmut is that a factory recommended procedure? Does Chevy rate the tailgate to hold a certain weight?
@@ALMX5DP I'm not aware of this being an official recommendation, but it's something I've seen people do.
@@foghelmut Yeah I know the old Colorado had two posts for which to connect the tailgate cables, however this loop thing seems potentially problematic. If you have a lot of weight those cables might be okay looped over, but a big bounce could cause them to slack and drop off making for a very messy cleanup. Not sure why Jeep is advertising it like that unless it really has a secure foot.
I own the Colorado but I also love the gladiator as well. Both are great midsize trucks and are fun to drive
A fully loaded Rubicon is just shy of $60k.... that gets a big HELL NO from me.
Actually it's 60,800. You are right! Ouch
Yeah, but it starts at 43.5 for a Rubicon and a TRD Pro starts at 41.7...i completely agree that the Gladiator is expensive, but it's not out of line with similar stuff.
An aev zr2 with a duramax comes to 58k but that's with everything added. But it still has more then a Rubicon
That's a lot of money, but still a bargain compared to the price of European off-roaders, G-Class, Discovery...
Sounded like a Jeep commercial. I drove both the Rubicon and the ZR2 and just bought a ZR2. There was no comparison. As far as height issues and visibility, my wife is 5' 2" and loves it. I might never get to drive it!
Those final words of explanation were great. Makes me want to take my truck out west to those beautiful places. A 4x4 truck should make an excellent overlanding vehicle with a popup bed camper!
Good job guys! This was an excellent and very informative video. I liked it enough to share it on Facebook. Again, good job gentlemen.
Very bias review, the Gladiator driver was definitely sucking up to Jeep, it bottomed out more than the Colorado and yet he says it's better offroad?!?!
The ZR2 is the easy winner, more power, lighter, cheaper, more maneuverable and a lot better daily driver.
Or just get mopars 2 inch lift haha. Plus most people will never take their trucks off-road so not a big deal. If a Jeep guy or girl get this they’d probably put the extra 2 inch lift on it anyway.
Chevy's are junk
@@ramtrucks721 compare to what ?.. fiat ?...
@@fj400007 you clowns act like fiat fired everyone, closed all the plants, moved the plants overseas, and imported Fiats with whatever logos on them. The same people that built them before Fiat build them now. Just like when Mercedes owned controlling share in them. Stop with the stupid crap already.
GM takes money from the Chinese. Heck Buick is mostly made in China last I heard.
At least Fiat is moving the plants back to America unlike some other manufacturers
Totally agree Ferguson. I knew the Jeep driver would say Jeep would win. ZR2 has a diesel option as well. If you want to see a real unbiased review, see TFL, they're the best...
Chevy needs to drop a 5.3 in this bad boy and it would smoke a Raptor.Or build a ZR2 1LE. Aluminum LT4, trailing arms and coils in back for 55k, or full independent in back with the Vette transaxle tucked up inside the frame to avoid damage and improve weight distribution for 65k.
The ZR2 looks badass, the Jeep looks weird to me.
I understand but I'm used to weird looking things plus I like jeeps and trucks
shopping for a midsized pickup and its come down to a chevy zr2 and a jeep gladiator, this video was awesome!
You guys are in my backyard. I'm from the imperial valley. All the solar farms you pass when getting down the hill just pass the windmills on the interstate 8 i helped build.
I'm from Imperial Valley... Holtville? El Centro? Brawley?
@@ramtrucks721 Holtville i ride to glamis from my house all the time. Its only about 40 miles away.
The complaints of high bedsides are irrelevant when it comes to the true reason they are so high. Most put a tonneau cover on their truck and it’s really nice to still have a depth of 21” or more with the cover closed. Allows for a lot more capacity of gear and especially an expedition cooler. The shallow beds on some trucks really suck. The gladiator has a puny 17.5” of depth prior to even putting on a topper. That sucks.