Let's Talk DEFENSES - Hell Let Loose
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- Опубліковано 13 кві 2023
- Here we'll talk about defenses in Hell Let Loose and how you can use them to help shape the battlefield. Enjoy!
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FINALLY someone that 'Gets' what I try explaining to people in match's.... example: 'Lets not build ourselves into the point of offensive, lets build layers of defenses that directs the enemy on a path we expect or want them to travel' etc. Video made my day as a 1k hour plus guy that enjoys playing engineer & knows there is more value in the class than simply 'Getting them nodes up'
Haha sometimes I just want to take the map and mark out on it areas we need to place defensive fortifications for other engineers, like this game needs defensive coordinators to lead the engineer core sometimes.
@@Jones25ful yes I agree! It can be really tricky to communicate with commander and other engineers what we are trying to build. Maybe the commander needs to mark on the map where he wants defences and it would also be nice if we could have a designated squad with engineers and supportplayers.
@@KunAndersan That would actually be a really cool feature. If we could get a squad made of lead engineer and then just 5 laborers.
Yep, so many people try to seal entire areas with barbed wire whereas the optimal strategy is to funnel them into killzones. Completely sealing a point just hurts your team, and makes it much more likely they will satchel clear your defenses. When there is a gap, even if its a killzone, most people wont bother clearing it.
@@bp6942 exactly dude. Take them off the hedges, so the MG’s can mow’em down
A fortification/defence building guide would be awesome. This topic probably isn't talked about enough.
It’s been added to the list!
@@GebatronGaming Maybe even a quick "5 maps, pick one 1 strong point, explain where you 'could' build defenses" video. It would really help explain the 'mindset'.
A downside to wanting to 'control' the map/flow of enemies/traffic is that you need to have played a map A LOT (with different combinations of points) to start being able to predict enemies. At a modest 1700 HLL hours I can quite reliably predict garrisons, tank movements/paths, hot zones or crossfire, and (signs of) enemy flanking attempts.
Engi building could completely mess up these senses, which is AWESOME!
I would enjoy this as well
No need to make a guide, just start building stuff and learn from your own mistakes
I really want buildable Heavy Machine guns nests.
Agreed!
@@GebatronGaming It would be so fun to covering town center with a M2 Browning 50 cal.
It was on the old BM roadmap and seems to have been removed on the new T17 one. We’ll have to wait and see I guess.
If you keep the hedgehogs on your side then they may drive their tank up to them. And if they do, they are restricted in movement and a huge target from an AT gun in the north. And then you will have a tank carcass blocking the bridge. :)
A tank Carcass can be removed by a satchel
@@michaelevans7433 or more shots from a tank, and both are a waste of their resources and slow them down.
I love these scenario based videos. You should do more commander gameplay commentary. Those really helped me as a beginning commander, and still try to spread the info to inexperienced commanders I see now.
I have another one in the works! It’s much shorter and just focuses on a huge mistake I made that cost us the match, but yeah. We can all learn from mistakes too!
The building system definitely could use a bit of a rework, the hitboxes are so fucking bad that it prevents you from building stuff in areas where you clearly have space to do so.
Also the upgrading process time could be like cut in half, it just takes way too long and most of the time you cant finish building everything to lvl3 before the game ends
I agree. It is a bit clunky for placing things. I also can’t stand that I can’t see the ends of the barbed wire when I’m placing it so I never know exactly what’s getting in my way.
I think the reasoning behind taking a long time to upgrade is due to the idea that complex defenses should be a group effort and the time is reduced the more players that are hammering. It could be reduced a little, but I wouldn’t want it reduced too much. That’s just my opinion though. Thanks for commenting!
Would love a video on the most underrated defensive strong points to focus on building up, or maybe a general top 10 on the subject could also be cool. For example Distillery is a little farther from the HQ because it's the center point on the map, but it's strong point is so small that if built up in a smart way, it's damn near impossible to cap because of the size of the strong point. Another one that's very underrated is Flak Position on SME. a lot of people don't think to build this one up because you can't use the supply truck to drop supplies for the engineer, but if you use a manpower node, and have the commander drop supplies from the sky, you can easily make it a fortress because it already has a lot of pre-existing barbed wire, sits on top of a hill, and is smacked in the middle of a field.
Totally agree on that Flak position. Some barbed wire to plug a couple holes and some barricades to help you move from trench to trench with cover can really make that spot a hard nut to crack. Thanks!
Just keep in mind you can cap outside of strongpoint in warfare, and whenever you have the whole defense sitting inside strongpoint they get surrounded, lose the garrison to a tank, at rocket or a bombing run and it's game over from there on.
Strengthening the strongpoint rarely makes sense except for offensive game mode, and even there it should only be the last resort.
Speaking generally, ofc there are exceptions.
@@StratosJ I'm speaking exclusively in terms of offensive. I'm not building up any strong points in warfare except field guns.
@DammitBobby Fair enough. Still a bit weary of fortifying a center point because not only is it far so it'll take more time to bring supplies in, but it'll also be within reach of enemy recon right after they cap first point, so you may just end up barely starting and already having to deal with that shit. But then again it's pretty open there so if you take that into account while planning those defenses it might work, assuming defense holds out for long enough or you get your own recon to help out.
@@StratosJ this theory In my mind is that the Distillery strong point is so small that it only takes like 2-3 engineers and wouldnt take as long as a conventionally sized point.
Thank you for making a video about this, it's hard to explain in the middle of a match to an engineer that is just wanting to put up things because that's what they do.
Excellent. I am normally not much an engineer (I've done it a lot at some point but not lately) - this video has me hyped up to start messing around with weird buildings again!
Great video! I agree with some of the comments below asking for more in depth engineer guides/tactics and commander commentary. These kinds of videos are always helpful and inspiring, and have helped me learn much of what I know. I like the way you walk us through your thought process, and I appreciate the positive impact you are making just by encouraging conversation.
Keep up the good work!
fortifications can mean so much in winning and losing a game and preventing getting run over by enemy momentum, holding a choke point can provide so much bonuses for a team it is a powerful tool that is not used enough, and the points u made in the video is absolutely spot on. Good job on making the community better.
great video! i can’t wait to put these kinds of defenses to the test!
Thank you for this video. This fits right in with my experience of "experienced" players being toxic in game and in discussing the game. Some defensive structures are better than no defensive structures. I hear the same crap about garrisons where "experienced" players bitch about and degrade players for garrisons not in the "right" place. Garrisons anywhere are better than no garrison unless you are maxed out. There could be reasons that structure or garrison was put there that you don't realize and anyway its better than nothing! It's such a toxic way to communicate telling people they are stupid for putting a defensive structure or garrison in a spot.
"Correct place" sounds boring as fuck. It doesn't sound fun to place garrisons in the same, optimal place every time. The beauty of this game is it's randomness, defending weird garrys is part of the experience.
@@EnglishInfidel agreed. And it sucks to work hard to get a Garry up just to be told it's not "right". We need to chase that thinking out of the game. There is no "right" way to play bz war is random
Make great to the point videos and you support a good community. Subbed fo sho.
Another excellent video - really appreciate your thinking!
Your video on experienced jerks being the problem in HLL actually changed my perspective on the game, and I'm convinced you're right. This video is another good one encouraging people to experiment and have fun.
I play competitively, and in competitive matches, everyone is kind of a slave to the meta. But in pub matches, not everyone is playing the same style, so you don't have to either. Think outside the box, experiment, and have fun! Just doing unexpected things can give you an advantage.
I always take a supply truck as soon as possible at the beginning of a match, and always build up defenses on the last point or second to last point on defense. Most of the time, it never gets to that but it gives me time to just stick endless amounts of supplies around the point, build what I want to build, leave some for others and already supplies there for a quick garrison to be placed, even if I delay the team by a minute or 2 minutes, that could be the difference between winning or not
Nice video man!
You gotta love the Gabster. Thx buddy
You've opened up some good material to discuss on building & engineers. Even the game modes change how & where to place defenses, but most players don't quite grasp without tutorials at hand.
Some of the first groups of players I built Fortresses with were members of Glows, so I'm sure you've plenty of helping hands to coordinate. If not, I'll be glad to lend you a hand.
A guide on how to build at certain strongholds would be amazing. I remember some defenses are so impenetrable on Offense that teams couldn’t take a point. Loads of barbwire at Railroad crossing comes to mind
Playing Warfare on Hurtgen the other day and while both teams were fighting over the middle map point I go back to the north HQ on the American side to start building backup garries. I come across a lone engineer building barbed wire and barricades around the black circle of the first cap point. I’m guessing it was a newer player not realizing the point can be capped from the 4 squares around the point or maybe he thought we were playing Offensive. Either way, just an extreme waste of time and resources and I see this sort of thing a lot. Sometimes even higher level players building up defenses inside the black circle. This is why the tutorial is so needed.
Its time really. imagine what one squad can do in a small area. compared to coordinating 4-5 squads (which is extremely rare) to stay on D and build around the circle. w 4-5 on D, your attack will fail most likely, and the opponents will attack you soon. Hence the "I need 2 squads on D" is most used because getting a 3rd or 4th, very hard.
Great video. I'm gonna try experiment with planting these sorts of defenses in my games. If nothing else then to try something new :)
The problem with the engineer defences, is that nobody knows how to take advantage of them. Good luck communicating how to build fortifications to your team around a strong point (you get 10 barbed wire and 4 barricades on the point instead of in the area around the point).
a guide for building defenses would be really good now that we have el alamain which i think needs defenses to hold hills and to stop tanks from flanking
but a very nice vid :)
Great, now I'm in the mood to play engineer again.
Using all of your defenses to fortify a single objective is such a misallocation of resources. a single wire built in the right spot can force infantry hundreds of meters off course. one hedgehog in the left lane can force that Tiger onto the mines on the right shoulder. Another fun tactic is to place a 99% baricade at the end of a road and hide next to it. when a tank approaches, you one tap with the hammer to block its path. then quickly place a hedgehog directly behind it 😂. might be less efficient than a mine or a satchel, but it's hilarious. works extremely well Omaha Beach. the northern US HQ has that narrow path up the hillside to the trenches, and there's another one in front of the middle HQ, but it's a bit easier for them to get around.
Another quick note: If you build up your 2nd point in Warfare mode, you can defend it with HALF the squads you'd normally need and becomes MUCH easier to attack the enemy. The 3rd point wins the game but defending the 2nd point is the most crucial to attack.
Great video 👍
I wish I had the supplies to build all this as an engineer. Hell I wish I could play engineer instead of having to play squadlead and build tables
On PC as squadlead you can select the squad type ( build icon). Then you cordinate your unit to build fortification/defence.
by the 2:54 mark you have created more killzones that you can funnel the attacker down of
It’s perfect
Nice vid!
Thanks! Appreciate it.
Defences like barbwire has an intended effect to slow the enemy down so the defence have time to consentrate and counter attack
Lets get a Tip series! Every map has it's unique challenges that can be simply solved!
I don't build defenses much but I did once and it was quite the surprise for the enemy!
They all funneled uselessly into my network of deception and the few that got through the smokes and barbed wire were cut down easily. We won the FUCK out of that game.
In my one and only game as commander, I actually lost my temper for a couple seconds because no matter how many times I asked, nobody would build garrisons or defenses. We get to the last point and the foot goes down. I never expected the garrisons I was asking for to live forever, I was expecting them to halt the advance and force the enemy to slow down. Get OPs forward and have them questioning if the garrison is down. We spent the rest of the time entrenched in the last point clinging to the trenches in the hillside. Best game ever
to many engineers build up all in one direction, the front. the sides and rear are what should be built up and out more since airheads are a popular option and leaving a singular easy looking way in can be a great trap while just a few need to defend the rear and sides. not to mention the need for good map control like high grounds or enclosed areas near important crossroads
Good officer will always blow up this obstacles with their engineer..
This gives dwight fighting himself, from "The Office" vibes
Would also really like a fortification, defense, engineer guide. I really think engineer is not utilized enough. I think squads should be rotating through engineer just like I think they should be rotating through support to get supplies down. By rotating into engineer you can get a lot of mines on the battlefield even if you dont build defense (although i believe in defensive structure too)
The part about watch where you build is important. Barbed wire in friendly pathways can raise thew cursing language a LOT! LOL Yes, try to funnel enemy around places and into fire zones. Increase satchel charges! Also, personnel mines galore! Guard and direct! Important to refresh: Dismantle enemy builds! Great, always. info and opinions Gebatron !
Thanks! I get so frustrated when I can’t move anywhere to actually put pressure on the enemy as they close in and all the engineers are standing around patting themselves on the back. They like constructing their own tombs! Haha! Thanks for watching!
@@GebatronGaming I have to say that I have been in defense's where inclosing us in worked. Cattle Sheds comes to mind more than once. It took many engineers and supply guys/gals to make it work. It also enclosed the garry among a Manpower node. It was replacing and fighting. Tank defense at all ends of the sheds. In one instances an enemy tank pulled right into a shed! Yet, we prevailed. Placing barbed wire to funnel might piss some off but it does work if you recognize it and follow where the enemy will have to traverse to get into you. These were all Offensive where you have to stay and keep the point.
Just played a mat here were 90 percent of defenses was put on the point and just slowed us down
Last week I unlocked the level 6 At load out for those that don’t know it has 4 At mines and a satchel. In my first 3 games with the load out I destroyed 15 vehicles just by sneaking into the red zone at the start of a game and laying mines on the main roads that led to the location we were defending. It was awesome on hill 400 they were so scared to drive on the roads after I blew up 4 vehicles they were driving through the woods and getting stuck so the impact of little defenses and rerouting them are worth it if you can be effective they had no tank support and we held the middle point easily the whole game.
Hill400 has got to be the best map for mines! Nice!
I wish people in hll were more fob oriented. I see spots on maps that would make amazing fobs to help defend usually 50-100m from strongholds and normally always in the cap sectors but nobody ever thinks about defending the sectors only the strongpoint itself. I whole heartly believe it is because the game fails to tell people that you can cap within the 4 sectors and not just strong point, they really need a little ww2 style briefing video on the modes that anyone can watch at anytime. Like "this is warzone soldier, you and your men have to capture the enemy sectors while defending your own, remember that the strongpoints add cap value but enemies in the sectors still provide pressure. Use garrisons along with teamwork to flank and push your enemies off of the strong point sectors to win" all accompanied with a ww2 style slide show highlighting all my points. Simple
I wish people would understand that it’s ok to defend a garrison. Like that is an important structure and worth keeping alive.
@@GebatronGaming Perhaps the way to do this is to remove capping of strongpoints by simply being in the sector, and instead change it to the strongpoint gets captured based upon garrison placement in the sector. It makes garrisons much more valuable and functions more than just a place to spawn.
@@MisterKisk this is hella smart
I didn't knew that one could build structures on enemy territory, i don't use to build anything that don't be nodes or/and a repair station with the remaining 50 of a supplies drop on blue territory; also, most of the times that i'm ordered to build defenses on a strong point don't use to "work as intended", because our team seats on the strong point waiting to be mowed down by tanks, bombing runs, precision strikes, starfing runs instead go out and try to find the enemie's OPs and garris, so.. i think that any guide on what to build, where to build and why to build will be very welcomed.
Would be nice if teams co-ordinated.
My latest trick is to build my nodes out in the open. Drop both supply boxes from the truck. Build the nodes close to each other then box them in with barbwire. They stay up the whole match
That’s great! There are a couple ways to get around that though. First is that a spotter can place their OP next to the wire and they can sometimes spawn within the wire. Second is that vehicles clip through the wire so an enemy can drive part of a vehicle into the wire then hop over the top. Either way the wire makes it much more of a pain in the a** and not very many players are creative that way, but I’m just letting you know. Thanks for the comment and for watching!!
@@GebatronGaming Thanks brother, I made a video showing how to do this and protect your at gun. Hope it helps others.
@@andrewg3262 Link it!!
@@GebatronGaming Thanks buddy!! ua-cam.com/video/kbSoBig1h2U/v-deo.htmlsi=4HxnyBKguOr5dt5z
@@GebatronGaming ua-cam.com/video/kbSoBig1h2U/v-deo.htmlsi=4HxnyBKguOr5dt5z
now lets explain to all engineers when it is ok to block smdm proper and how to take those down when necesarry
Now we come to the Real problem: 100 guys running around like a chicken with their head chopped off ...❤
Haha! Yeah you definitely can’t have the whole team doing stuff like this all at the same time. Haha
I love blocking off random bridges. Lolol
No it’s a good tactic, I spend the first 20 minutes driving around with supplies blocking roads to funnel them into ambushes and mines
I do agree with looking for creative ways to fortify. But claiming "the attacking side will just have to keep going onto the next road and onto the next is just kinda silly. You can attempt this redirect but dont assume that they wont get past your 1 tanktrap. - You are buying minutes at best in such a poor defensive position.
Problem is I don’t see how you would have the time to set this up on the second point
What’s ridiculous about this defense is the idea that people will all pitch in and build it lol
3:55 I'm pretty sure you can easily cross the logs with Panther/Tiger
I’m pretty sure you’re right. Hedgehog might be the right call there then if you have one.
The only problem with all this is that planned out defenses do not work.
Not because they are designed wrong, but because unit cohesion is not existent.
Rarely do you get multiple squads of manpower and the commander to be able to work out, and execute such defenses in any timely way.
However if you could get everyone you needed to cooperate, then you could yes, use defenses to change the flow of battle to engage your forces in more favorable ways... but that will rarely if ever happen and even if you do get the relevant people to work together that well, they likely won't have the time or knowledge to assemble these defenses in time if at all. It's not like everyone has the blue prints for every objectives optimal defense setup on hand at all times.
not rlly abt defences but abt ppl saying ur wrong: today i was playing as squad leader, and we had no garrys on our point, so i decided to build one. someone didnt like where it was and just told me to uninstall the game. they never suggested a better placement or made a squad so they could get some garrisons down. ppl like that just annoy me
You might like this video: ua-cam.com/video/SCxchGV8xtk/v-deo.html
@@GebatronGaming dw i already watched it 👍. u make rlly good points, hopefully ppl who need to watch it do watch it and decide to consider your points
@@gingerbread101 Thanks for watching both videos! Appreciate it. I hope so too.
How many at mines can you place/have down at once as an engi?
Short answer is 4 at any 1 time. Long answer is: ua-cam.com/video/zcxmCaNTwys/v-deo.htmlsi=HJ0JdPEVKESUDmww
@@GebatronGaming Thanks
Mines should be placed ideally in the middle of the passage so that light, medium and heavy tanks will likely drive over it with their hull, otherwise only the tracks will be damaged, as with the mine at 3:06. Also, it takes two mines to destroy a heavy tank, and they should be placed side by side to explode simultaneously or else one mine will detonate the other before the tank drives over and the second one does no damage. Monoespacial addressed this in his ultimate anti-tank guide because there is a lot of misinformation. Otherwise, good video, looking forward for more!
I also believe that I saw tanks drive over wooden barricades and therefore the one at 2:46 would only slow them down but not stop them like recon and trucks.
Even tracking a tank is a good strategy as it causes the tank to require repairs which takes time, or it makes them an easier target for rockets or satchels. Tracking a heavy is an economical way to slow it down with 1 mine vs using 2 in the same location
While that is good information to know, it is also poor advice. Things aren’t as black and white as that. A mine in the middle of the road, especially the US mines, are impossible to not see. Not only will the heavy tank see it, but so will trucks and lighter armor. A mine doesn’t do anyone any good if it’s spotted and destroyed or simply avoided. A mine that is more concealed will catch other vehicles and at least damage the heavy. A damaged tank is still easier to deal with than a healthy tank plus the crew will have to exit the vehicle to repair. The mine I placed was clipped into a rock and next to some grass and good players still would probably catch it. I agree that mines should be placed as centrally as possible if the mine can be somewhat concealed. If not then it’s better to hide it so it will at least do something. The example where I have a mine on the RR tracks would be a good spot for two next to each other. I addressed those things in my AT mine guide too. Thanks for your input and advice!
@@GebatronGaming It is often map and location depending if mines are visible in the middle of the road, even us mines are sometimes hard to spot buried in the right dirt and mud, particularly on darker maps like hill or phl, where german mines are sometimes easier to spot. I agree that a hidden mine is better than an obvious one but damaging the tracks with one mine, won't really do much if the tracks are not completly destroyed (which is not the case with one mine) and can be rapaired fast or temporarily ignored.
I guess if mines can't be placed side by side it is proablby better to place them solo in different spots, but placing them if possible in the mid to damage the hull is always the best way to damage a tank. No tank will ignore hull damage.
It's also a good thing, that many tank drivers don't really watch the road and often drove over my even obvious placed mines. 😅
@@nobaru4581 Agreed. It’s situational. But in order to take advantage of those situations we need to know the info you presented in your original comment. Thanks again!
Everyone seems to be a strategic expert once someone makes a post they don't agree with
Mostly people call "defend" to attack looking for garris and attack your cap when they are already settle there capping. Surprise me cos this game extremely benefit camping but I guess mostly players are simply short and play for kills in a way that kill less hahaha
The same people saying these defenses or ideas "hurt the community" are the same guys mindlessly wandering around two sectors north when the enemy is about to capture your hq lol
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No one likes to play defense or build shit in this game, so this video is going to blind eyes.