The manual driving experience is really special and often overlooked nowadays. I recently went back to manual from automatic and forgot how much I missed it. This car seems amazing to drive and that exhaust sound is heavenly
@@Lemingtona-x5gI stepped into my manual wrx expecting it to be slower than my Audi, and I didn’t give a damn. That’s because of the 6 speed manual, so much fun. We’re looking for fun bro not speed.
It's so strange they decided not to include it in the manual car. My '24 Golf R has it and a muted version of a self-steering system, as did my '23 GTI.
@TheTopher not sure if this has been asked already, but this M2 or CT4 blackwing? I know they’re not same class of car technically but you had a lot of fun with the CT4 (sorry I accidentally put this is a reply to another comment thread)
Toph you changed. I remember the old M2 Comp you said it's dailyable and not that harsh. And for the G87 which has adaptive you say the opposite even in comfort mode.
Seems pretty crap you can't get the manual with ACC, as you can on Honda vehicles. Really reduces the vehicle's practicality. Also I stare at screens 10 hours a day at work, having to do so in my car is a bummer versus some lovely analog gauges.
@@TheTopher I can't find any under $68k or closer to msrp. Hopefully the economy starts to cool down with these high interest rates and less people are buying so these stealerships can calm down with the mark ups.
@@TheTopher the m2’s manual is Better than the Supra’s? Was not expecting that. Most people say the Supra has one of the best manuals of any modern BMW car, prior to this M2…
Unsure about the 230i but an m240i, even the last gen, is more than enough car for daily driving and is likely more reliable as the b58 has been proven over the last few years to be a solid and highly tunable platform.
@TheTopher I was considering waiting for the G87 M2 w/MT, but ultimately went with 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 w/MT. I wanted a sports car closer to 3000 lbs than 4000. You have driven both extensively. How would you rate the two side by side? Which would you choose if you had your choice?
Since the lowest Cayman trim with a NA flat-6 has a far higher base price ($95200) vs the M2 ($64195), would you say it's worth the enormous $31K gap for lower weight and better engagement?
@@drjk7565 Yes, because I was not overly concerned with the price. The weight, 4.0L NA motor, superior MT in the Porsche, and being mid-engine were the strongest influences in making my decision.
@@Alex718GTS4.0 Understandable. To me, the G87 M2 and the 718 Cayman (only with the NA flat-6) are kind of modern, German reincarnations of the Mk4 Toyota Supra and the original Honda NSX respectively. The Supra was far heavier (1570kg vs 1270kg) so it couldn't best the NSX on a racing circuit (see some classic episodes of Best Motoring for proof), but it's famed 2JZ made it a staple of drag and roll races. The NSX on the other hand was widely praised for its handling prowess and raw engagement. It's a similar story with the G87 M2 and 718 Cayman. I got a feeling the new M2, just like the Mk4 Supra, will become a staple of straight line races with its S58 engine, while the Cayman continues its tradition of being the best pure mid-engine performance car this side of a Gordon Murray T.50.
I think I'll wait until they integrate that $20 eBay screen into the dash better, get rid of those dumb impression marks on the doors, get rid of the clumsy, brutal square design. I may be waiting awhile but I think they got the message and hopefully fired some really horrible designers.
The thing with modern small cars is that, compared to their bigger counterparts, they're made shorter and narrower, but they did nothing to the height. That's why the proportion is all wrong and ugly. Compare this M2 with M8, you'll find the proportion and ratio of the M8 so attractive.
After seeing the M2 in person, I was surprised it wasn’t as ugly as I was expecting… it was worse. It’s simply an abomination visually. I mean, really, how many levels does the hood need? I’ve seen elaborate wedding cakes with fewer tiers. The front grill and lower air damn design is as bad as possible. I could never walk into my garage every morning and feel happy with the purchase, no matter how quick it might be. BMW is out of their minds with these current designs. Contrast this with something like the new Mercedes GT coupe, which looks bold and aggressive yet elegant. This M2 will age about as well as those 2004 Chris Bangle era cars. 🤮
I love your reviews, but I just hate that you always aim for cars that are manual to do reviews just like Ted. I know you love driving manual cars and they are 100% more fun, but 90% of the people that watch your videos only know how to drive automatic cars. So please think about us when you're picking which car to do reviews :(
How long do you think I can keep this car running within reasonable cost? My E46 lasted about 17 years before repairs got too costly and I wanted something new.
@@_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- I agree. To be honest, if you're a DIY kind of person, I'd go with another car that's slightly newer or from that time. If you aren't, go with what you like and hope for the best, but get ready for unexpected stuff down the line. As of right now, I drive a 2015 car that isn't a BMW. Zero gremlins popped up so far.
It’s a great day when Topher uploads videos of him driving manual cars.
plz make manual car playlist
The manual driving experience is really special and often overlooked nowadays. I recently went back to manual from automatic and forgot how much I missed it. This car seems amazing to drive and that exhaust sound is heavenly
@@Lemingtona-x5gand when did he say they were faster? And what do you drive?
@@Lemingtona-x5g Point being?
Me too! Just got into a manual 2018 M2 for a daily driver after being in a PDK 16 Macan S for 5 years and am so much happier.
@@Lemingtona-x5gI stepped into my manual wrx expecting it to be slower than my Audi, and I didn’t give a damn. That’s because of the 6 speed manual, so much fun. We’re looking for fun bro not speed.
I’m just glad a modern manual like this still exists. I’m sure the looks will grow on people as time passes
While people might forgive the looks, it's just too heavy. It's ironic that the M2 is heavier than the 6th gen Camaro.
I absolutely love the looks
Topher gets it! Fantastic car for every occasion. BMW did it right, and absolutely nailed it.
Seeing Topher do a review of manual cars is like hearing the start up of a PS1 in present day times.
I don’t understand how what you describe as a numb driving experience can result in a car that you love.
Yess another manual POV
Looks badass in black ..it's definitely starting to come around on me the looks
I’ma have one of these one day
I absolutely agree that the car look better in person, specially in black
That car has an allergic reaction on the outside but it's perfectly fine in the inside.
lmao for real the thing is absolutely hideous to look at but cannot deny that it is one helluva driving car especially in a 6speed
ahh yes.. the car with an allergy!😂
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Active cruise control is only available for the automatic transmission.
It's so strange they decided not to include it in the manual car. My '24 Golf R has it and a muted version of a self-steering system, as did my '23 GTI.
Lovely manual
I think the best BMW atm is the manual Supra :D
I must have this car
@TheTopher not sure if this has been asked already, but this M2 or CT4 blackwing? I know they’re not same class of car technically but you had a lot of fun with the CT4 (sorry I accidentally put this is a reply to another comment thread)
Toph you changed. I remember the old M2 Comp you said it's dailyable and not that harsh. And for the G87 which has adaptive you say the opposite even in comfort mode.
This car is beautiful asf I don’t know why u don’t like the design and is a Mexican car 😍🇲🇽
Seems pretty crap you can't get the manual with ACC, as you can on Honda vehicles. Really reduces the vehicle's practicality. Also I stare at screens 10 hours a day at work, having to do so in my car is a bummer versus some lovely analog gauges.
I know the M2 and S58 are far superior, but if you had to choose would you go M2 manual or Supra 6MT?
The M2’s the better manual, I’d pick that
@@TheTopher I can't find any under $68k or closer to msrp. Hopefully the economy starts to cool down with these high interest rates and less people are buying so these stealerships can calm down with the mark ups.
@@chrisginoc really? what area?
@@blackfish4674 Southern California. I maybe I need to check the eastcoast
@@TheTopher the m2’s manual is Better than the Supra’s? Was not expecting that. Most people say the Supra has one of the best manuals of any modern BMW car, prior to this M2…
As a G80 Base owner, I would turn off gear shift assist. The revs will drop very fast.
Is the manual as good as something like in the honda/acura products ? Is it notchy or is it sloppy and video game like ?
When will we get the 8 speed auto?
Where can I buy one
3800lb for a 2-series is crazy. BMW needs to hire a couple of guys from Miata team.
How do you think the M2 stacks up against it’s little brothers the 230i and 240i ?
Unsure about the 230i but an m240i, even the last gen, is more than enough car for daily driving and is likely more reliable as the b58 has been proven over the last few years to be a solid and highly tunable platform.
Changed my order to manual…hope I made the right choice…
The manual is a blast, takes some time getting used to it but once calibrated it’s a pleasure
More worth it than a Supra imo.
Ehhh the B58 might go down in history. The supra is better in every way that matters imo but I respect you and the M2 tho
@@DOOMLORDHOKAGEI feel like the S58 will also really go down in history too. I mean when It comes down to tunning the s58 and B58 are just monsters
Help no. Sedan sitting position alone makes this less special than the Supra.
Does any one know if the M240i come manual as a option, I don’t want automatic 🤷🏼♂️
Nope which is why i got the m2 and i think it looks better
@TheTopher I was considering waiting for the G87 M2 w/MT, but ultimately went with 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 w/MT. I wanted a sports car closer to 3000 lbs than 4000. You have driven both extensively. How would you rate the two side by side? Which would you choose if you had your choice?
Since the lowest Cayman trim with a NA flat-6 has a far higher base price ($95200) vs the M2 ($64195), would you say it's worth the enormous $31K gap for lower weight and better engagement?
@@drjk7565 Yes, because I was not overly concerned with the price. The weight, 4.0L NA motor, superior MT in the Porsche, and being mid-engine were the strongest influences in making my decision.
@@Alex718GTS4.0 Understandable. To me, the G87 M2 and the 718 Cayman (only with the NA flat-6) are kind of modern, German reincarnations of the Mk4 Toyota Supra and the original Honda NSX respectively. The Supra was far heavier (1570kg vs 1270kg) so it couldn't best the NSX on a racing circuit (see some classic episodes of Best Motoring for proof), but it's famed 2JZ made it a staple of drag and roll races. The NSX on the other hand was widely praised for its handling prowess and raw engagement.
It's a similar story with the G87 M2 and 718 Cayman. I got a feeling the new M2, just like the Mk4 Supra, will become a staple of straight line races with its S58 engine, while the Cayman continues its tradition of being the best pure mid-engine performance car this side of a Gordon Murray T.50.
Man that thing is ugly. But I def enjoy the interior and the fact it’s manual
I’m first❤
want a cookie?
这个车在中国要卖80000美金，还是美国人幸福😂😂
No way can it drive better than an m4!😯 that front grill just looks so odd!
Nearly 3000 revs at 75mph is way to high. Big downside of the manual.
It looks blocky, like a second generation scion tc lol.
I think I'll wait until they integrate that $20 eBay screen into the dash better, get rid of those dumb impression marks on the doors, get rid of the clumsy, brutal square design. I may be waiting awhile but I think they got the message and hopefully fired some really horrible designers.
The thing with modern small cars is that, compared to their bigger counterparts, they're made shorter and narrower, but they did nothing to the height. That's why the proportion is all wrong and ugly. Compare this M2 with M8, you'll find the proportion and ratio of the M8 so attractive.
As a poor guy sending good money on a attainable dream car, it's dissappointing to know your BMW made was made in Mexico.
It wasn't made in Mexico, it was assembled there, big difference.
That's the biggest hangup on this car. Totally agree
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After seeing the M2 in person, I was surprised it wasn’t as ugly as I was expecting… it was worse. It’s simply an abomination visually. I mean, really, how many levels does the hood need? I’ve seen elaborate wedding cakes with fewer tiers. The front grill and lower air damn design is as bad as possible. I could never walk into my garage every morning and feel happy with the purchase, no matter how quick it might be. BMW is out of their minds with these current designs. Contrast this with something like the new Mercedes GT coupe, which looks bold and aggressive yet elegant. This M2 will age about as well as those 2004 Chris Bangle era cars. 🤮
GT63 is a different class of car, M2 looks ok in dark colors and 2025 is making 485 on a dyno....for 68k
I love your reviews, but I just hate that you always aim for cars that are manual to do reviews just like Ted. I know you love driving manual cars and they are 100% more fun, but 90% of the people that watch your videos only know how to drive automatic cars. So please think about us when you're picking which car to do reviews :(
How long do you think I can keep this car running within reasonable cost? My E46 lasted about 17 years before repairs got too costly and I wanted something new.
That's a matter of sheer luck. You can get lucky or get a lemon.
@@goncalo33 oh I definitely was lucky considering how I treated it. I feel like modern BMWs are way too complicated to keep running yourself now.
@@_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-yeah, euro car companies are just planned obsolescence supporters now.
What do you have now?
@@_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- I agree. To be honest, if you're a DIY kind of person, I'd go with another car that's slightly newer or from that time. If you aren't, go with what you like and hope for the best, but get ready for unexpected stuff down the line.
As of right now, I drive a 2015 car that isn't a BMW. Zero gremlins popped up so far.
That depends how you use it, if its a daily driver you will have some issues since its a turbo car.