I drove Hyundai Ioniq 6 RWD until the battery died
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The location seems familiar
Nearby farmer: nah not again, that ev guy's car died again ...
Such a great boy 👍 Like a Superman, he could feel Bjørn was in trouble and needed ⚡assistance...
16:45 very good clickbait photo with two Ioniq 6 cars 🎉
This makes me despise the USA standard. We get a measly 16 amp at 120 volts for output. SO LAME!!!!!
Hey at least you could run a hair dryer 💁🏽
@@misaelramos83 😂
I noticed something similar with the Ioniq 5. I was at 4% going uphill on the highway and it went to low power mode until I got it back downhill when it went away. My exit was there and it was mostly flat so I didn't see it again until 0% when I was two miles away from the charging station. Definitely got my attention, but all was well.
9:04 I see what you did there 🧐
That matte silver colour is the right choice for this car
It's actually called Gravity gold matte. But yes. Looks silver. 🙂
I stopped by those chargers on Saturday evening ;) Very nice array!
Nice result would like this test with the MG4 long range.
If I am correct you lose more power when converting DC to AC (you have to use an inverter). From AC to DC the loss is less (just like your phone charger). That would explain the loss of about 0.4kW DC to AC and only 0.1kW from AC to DC.
That's correct to some degree. The newest GaN chargers are more efficient than inverters, since the Ioniq sending out 3.6kW and the cable receiving 3.1kW means an 86% efficiency, which is spot on with older silicon based phone chargers. My Anker GaN charger however has been tested and it showed 93% efficiency at the full 120W output.
Ioniq 6 in silver: wow, looks very nice, very stylish. Does it have sunroof? Funny video. Thanks to the whole random team, well done!
No sunroof. Went for maximum range. 18" wheels and rwd. 🙂
In Norway sunroof comes with 20" wheels for some reason.
Colour is actually called Gravity gold matt. 🙂
How much percentage battery loss was there in your donor car please?
@@judebrown4103 I think it was just 2-3% max. It was just for about 30 minutes and 3.5kw speed out.
@@1975rov thank you, whether it was a genuine co-incidence or planned it was very good of you and your youngster to take part. Made for a great video.👍👏😄
Nice test. The losses come mostly from the BMS of both vehicles. The inversion loss is relatively small by comparison.
The back of the Ioniq6 looks like you left it too close to the fireplace and it melted a little
16:43 brings back Windows XP background memories
the 400v and 800v uses same or similar spec cable for charging which is always prioritize max speed on 800v. so amp limit is a must not to burn out the cables
I did a similar test by trying to use my Atto 3 to charge my Tesla Model 3. Unfortunately both the Tesla Mobile Connector and the BYD EVSE reported errors when plugged in to the BYD's V2L adapter. It seems that this is due to the lack of ground, which I suspect might be down to regulations where I live (Australia). If I were to import the same mobile EVSE that Bjorn has used in this video, it will likely work (but might not be compliant to local regulations).
Correct. The missing ground is definitely the problem with Tesla's UMC. I've experienced that too. You need a mobile charging station that can bridge this and simulate the earth.
Great to see V2L working I wish Tesla did this
The f is the background at 9:50. It’s the windows XP wallpaper.
Cool information. I always just assumed an 80 kWh battery since they keep stating 77.4 kWh.
71% charging efficiency is not too bad for V2L, carTOcar. you have to account DC-AC conversion of the energy donor car (somewhere around 85%) then you have on board ac charger efficiency (85%ish) and power los of the cable.
but you have to consider the efficiency of the charging process of the battery from the grid, this brings a total efficiency to 57%.
for comparison grid efficiency is around 95% with a total efficiency of 81%.
24:23 1kV charging is an option on Delta Ultrafast chargers. As I understand, Mer in the past did not order with the 1kV option...
But the nameplate should be correct, if you can't output it, it shouldn't be on that tag.
Bu hyundai'yi seviyorum. Düşük bütçeli bir Porsche gibi..
Isn't the charging limit caused by 230A limit on these EGMP car?
Also from what I found, EGMP car tends to stop charging the 12V battery if the HV battery has lower than 15% SoC
What would happen if you had used a straight T2-T2 cable between the 2 Ioniq6? (just like if it was a charging stall)
Tack!😅👍
"400 volt" CCS standard can actually deliver 50-500 volts. "800 volt" CCS2 stanndard, if I remember right, is 250-920 volts. So all "400 volt" chargers that follow standard can deliver 500 volts.
That's not true. You swapped volts and amps.
The CCS Standard 2 is capable of delivering 500 amps, not 500 volts. However, Tesla, for example, does not adhere to this standard, so that more than 200kW charging power can be supplied with 400-volt systems even with the CCS-2 plug from Tesla.
@@eMobilitytoday_de No I didn't swap anything. Voltage range in CCS 1.0 standard is 50-500 V and in CCS 2.0 standard 200-920 V (I checked and I didn't remember right the minimum). For example the fat e-tron battery voltage is over 400 volts when full so it would be impossible to charge it full if the charger voltage range ended to 400 volts.
Truck mode presentation?
the charger at 24:37 time is made from Slovakia,i had no idea :D
Už aj pri inom aute na inom mieste som toto videl. Asi ich tam majú viac.
V2V charging, even with an intermediate double inversion, is a wonderful rescue operation. I could imagine showing up at a camp site, falling asleep in my car or just not having the right state of charge, but another V2V car could come by and help. In this case, the Ioniq 6 is the giver, and any EV is the receiver.
Love these
Nice vid! Could you do this same kind of test also for the Stellantis vehicle, like for Citroen eC4? Got one, but I'm not going to do this kind of test with it as I have no spare charger available :D
I've done 0% tests on my leaf using the heater since you can do that sat next to a charger. It takes a while though.
@@CampGareth That does not show you how the power available is changing, only the final behaviour once completely out. And also not doable in cars that disable heater when too low...
I have the e208 and I'm also curious how it would do. Never went below 6% so far.
Thx for the nice test. The first time I hear 82 KWH gross capacity (Ioniq5/6 Ev6). That confirm my though. And my KIA dealer, more 15 months ago, also talking about 82 kwh. 4.6 kwh buffer so? And about 2,6 kwh top buffer. So, will a Ioniq 6 be able to hide 3% degradation (top buffer only) or 6 % (both buffers)?
100 % SoC on display is 96.5 % BMS SoC.
@@bjornnyland Björn, I can understand your interpretation of the CarScanner information, but I noticed that different deviations between the SOC and the BMS SOC are displayed. Sometimes it's 0.0%, sometimes 2%, or even 4% SOC.
It also doesn't seem to depend on the SOC itself, e.g. there is always a buffer of 4% SOC points at 100% SOC.
The information I received from a Kia technician is:
Gross: 87.4 kWh
Net: 77.4 kWh
Usable: 73.2 kWh (0-100%)
Emergency reserve: 4.2kWh
Total gross capacity 87.2 kWh
Up to 0% SOC 73.2 kWh can be drawn, in an emergency probably 77.4 kWh (official net value)
111.2Ah battery capacity, at 697V = 77.506 kWh
Battery capacity 77.4 kWh
Battery type lithium ion
Number of cells 384
Architecture 800 V
I have driven an EV to zero in Turtle Mode. Quite an stressful experience.
I don't think you will let your car get hungry until turtle mode again.
@@briank581 Indeed, never again.
What application do you use to monitor the data in the battery???
@@motofan16
Thank you
The donor car was 3,5 KW but you received only 2,5 KW WHEN THE CAR WAS UNLOCKED. Could that be the reason? When I charge my XPeng G3 normally with 7 KW and I unlock the car, the charging gun locking pin also unlocks and then the car only charges 2,5 KW as designed. For safety. Could it be that the car would have received the full 3,5 KW if it had been locked?
What level 1 charger is that?
So on the new Audi Q6 e-tron and Porsche Macan instead of converting to 800 volt, they split the battery in two on 400 volts batteries. Looking forward to your test
I believe (but happy to be corrected) that you can charge 800V in pack series and 400V in pack parallel, ie when you plug into 800V the BMS supplies the power across 2x cells (where x is pack) - so in series, and why you plug into a 400V supply the BMS connects the supply across 1x cells - so there is no 400V DC to 800V DC which is relatively inefficient process.
This means each pack has a 400V and 800V tap point
yes, it is possible, but Hyundai cars (E-GMP platform) does not use that method.
No 800 V car uses this method. Not even Porsche.
What is that app?
It would be much faster to just tow the dead car with the full car (or any car). Then you can just use regen. If you are towed by some strong tractor, you might get up to 30 or 60 kW regen. That would give you plenty of range in a matter of minutes (the vehicle that tows, on the other end will need to burn extra energy).
probably the inbuild dc boost converter is power limited to 100kW or 250A. Taycan is doing the same.
It doesn't have one. It uses rear drivetrain for the conversion.
@Bjørn Nyland you are right. that is an interesting technology.
maybe worth a efficiency comparison 400v / 800v charging?
12:02 Was the car locked while the trunk was open? Some weird logic...
How much range does the "donor car" lose when charging another vehicle
That should have been about 2% SOC.
The car showed 3.5kW. It was loaded for half an hour, i.e. 1.75kW was transferred. These correspond to approx. 2.4% SOC with an assumed usable capacity of 73.2kWh.
16:37 Of course 😀
Accuracy of the different readouts is not perfect, I don’t think you really have a whole lot of “loss”.
Also, the 400V -> 800V converter has a maximum current that it can handle (as well as a small loss), 100kW output is pretty decent!
25:30 (alleged charging loss at 400V charger) - the battery heater (4 kW) was running
104 kW from charger, 96 kW into the battery. 4 kW heater. 4 kW loss then?
Probably. Vehicle electronics took 0.5 kW, coolant pumps maybe 0.4 kW.
I Tested the battery heater this weekend. And saw a range from 4kw too 5.2kw on the battery heater 🙂
According to my measurements with more than 130 DC charges with battery heating with the Kia EV6, the charging loss with AC charging is 15% (even without battery heating), but with DC charging it is only 3.5%. So it fits.
Sehr sehr interessant
Was the resque vehicle just a coincidence? Or was it planned?
It looked like coincidence 👍 but whatever it was, it was a nice twist to feature that too ❤
@@aftonline All vehicles are required to have one in Norway, so I suspect the dealer supply one with the car.
@@aftonline It's mandatory by law in Norway to have hi-viz vest in the car. I'm not surprised if all Ioniq have the same vest from dealer.
Spoiler: You can see it planned in livestream on his livestream channel
Go Bjorn you need to some independent review of the new Nissan Ariya
It's on its way... Bjørn live streamed from an Nissan Ariya a few days ago. I don't remember if it was a range test or a 1000 km challenge.
Why charge when you can just tow the car in distress to the closest charger? Nice to have the ability anyway. I for example would use it to power a vacuum cleaner because I don't have a garage or parking spot with power socket.
Many EVs doesn't allow you to be towed because it can damage the motor.
@@bjornnyland Wow! I didn't know that. I don't know about you but I find that a little inconvenient. I am very curious to know, which EVs do allow to be towed?
It's a much simpler process to convert AC to DC which requires less electronics. That's why the losses won't match.
7kW power for V2L in this cases would be awesome in case you're further away from a charger.
It needs type 2 outlet then.
I hear Tesla will be bringing out "vehicle to load" in the future Teslas. 🇨🇦
On the CyberTruck
How much power did the donor car lose? or how much did you take..
I think the donor car didn't lose much power at all. Energy on the other hand...
@@bjornnyland I didn't see you look inside the donor car to see what percentage it gave to you/ your car. 5 % maybe? 2 %?
Also couldn't this "jumping" with the "jumper cables" work between any any two EV's? regardless of brand, any two EV . Can they- any EV- be "jumped" with this cable attachment "Jumper cables"?
So shouldn't every EV come with "jumper cables"??! : ) Or it be an accessory readily available.....Would make sense yes no? EV's would be attractive if you could jump your buddy - with "simple" Jumper cables- if he's stuck out on some back road. I'd be sponsoring those Cables If I were you! +/- or is it a "Hyundai only" type of cable (? and not universal?
9:53
I enjoy the videos here but just *imagine* the coincidence of 1 Ioniq 6 being rescued by *another* Ioniq 6 (out for a Sunday drive) seemingly within mere minutes.
I have yet to come across another Ioniq 6 over here.
It was a miracle. 😁
❤❤❤
1kw loss over 2.3 kw gain.
thats 43% loss!!!!!!!
🤐😙😙😙😙
Forgive me but I can’t tell the total distance you got, I see Like 23km but that clearly isn’t the total
Isn't there some sort of punishment for "battery abuse"?
Not at all.
I hope there is still a buffer, because if you deep unload cells they take a hit longterm
That's what the battery management system (BMS) is there for.
You will be punished if you discharge the battery below zero and then abandon the car without charging. Especially critical in cold conditions. You should try to immediately charge to at least 20 or better 50 % after such an event.
What ? DC to AC, AC to DC that's ACDC. Where is the CCS cable for 150 kW charging, not good. 😆
you have losses in both car. and in every connection
Beware of asbestos lads. It would be wise to wear masks going in these places for all kinds of things. Also be aware of carrying spores of dry rot back to your homes.
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How good you happend to drive by! 😂 Else we will have lost our bjørn forever! 😢
That horrible noice when you leave the car in your pocket, which they didn't fix since 2019 Kona is the reason why i wouldn't buy any new Hyundai. I'll bet you still can't make that door will unlock with shift P and engine off ( you can only choose one of these options)
So many nonsenses 😡
@@garysmith5025 probably you never drove with kids 🙄
Another thing is stop/start button which again needs to used and would make it way easier.
Even Chinese MG does it better
Coz you gave silly answer. If you drive with kids sometimes you need to jump out and out them in or out and it's is just idiotical that I have to switch the engine off or coming back to driver door to unlock other doors. This is not the only stupid thing, I can name at least 5 similar
I think you should remind people more that this is very harmful to the battery and we should not try this at home :)
It really isn't. As the BMS cares for the battery health.
No it isn't. There's bottom buffer and the cells are not discharged that low to damage the battery.
@@bjornnyland But Kia/Hyundai manuals clearly state that for achieve lowest degradation, one should most often charge to 20%-80%. Discharging to 0% (+ very small buffer) is like using dozens (if not hundreds) 20%-80% cycles. Where am I wrong?
@@Lascarnn If you leave the battery at 0% SOC for several hours or days that's not ideal.
For 30 minutes? No problem. The battery cells are not below their lowest safe voltage because the BMS won't allow them to go that low. So there is still a small bricking buffer before significant damage can be done. If you do this test once per year the additional degradation will be imperceptible.
The main thing you need to be careful about at this low SOC is that you have enough juice left in your 12V battery because the car stops charging the 12V battery to preserve the main traction battery.
🙏3:39 dear Bjorn, could you please try NOT to single out CHRISTIANS by BLURRING their reg plates? 🙏
yes i know it's public place but i would argue that non-Christians would not be attending church and if some did, they may not be happy being DOXXED online (since reg plate is unique to it's car owner)
thank you! 🙏
just like respecting M0hammedans, parked around mosques and Hindus parked around temples.
That is one ugly car.