LITHIUM CRANKING BATTERY | 1420CA PRO | Can it POWER the 4.5L V8 diesel? iTechWorld Starter Battery
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
- Lithium is certainly becoming the future of overland travel, but is the technology ready for cranking our large capacity vehicles?
In this episode we dive deep into the specifications, features and testing of iTechWorld’s new lithium cranking battery, the 1420CA PRO. We conduct voltage test, capacity tests, cranking tests and freeze test to see how it performs. I install the battery into my Landcruiser and discuss some of the physical and chemical differences when compared with a traditional AGM battery.
If you are considering a lithium battery, particular an engine bay mounted cranking battery for your setup, this episode is not one to be missed.
Check out my under bonnet lithium video for a more traditional ‘deep cycle’ battery -
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00:00 - Introduction
02:18 - Physical Differences
04:48 - Testing
05:23 - Capacity Test
11:08 - Cranking Test
13:54 - Freeze Test
17:50 - CCA's Test
21:36 - Installation
23:27 - Conclusion
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Great work! Ok, you did this around a year ago but the availability of this battery now (Feb 2024) seems to be zero. It's not even listed on their website.
yeah I have this battery, its been in for 6months and im now having mad dramas. not being on there website is suss as. im ringing again tomorrow to ask whatttttt the hell is going on for the 3rd time
I noticed this battery wasn’t on there web site also. I emailed ITechWorld only last week and they claim it will be back on sale late this year for around $999. I’m keen to check it out.
@@davidanderson9043 they told me some company brought them all out and they’ll be putting out a new one….. guess we’ll see.
$1300 it cost me and won’t turn the Ute over yet a standard lead acid will.
We’ll see what they do I guess
@@campbellcole1808if you see this please tell.
My comment 2nd may 24
Cause itech is bullshit company
Great video, very professional and informative both technically and from a practical perspective. Love your channel and approach it’s second to none. I am interested in the more technical approach as a 4WD instructor and enthusiast and you provide exactly that.
Awesome, thanks for the feedback mate. Appreciate it. Always encouraging to hear that people are enjoying the channels content and the delivery too.
Cheers, Nathan.
Great work, as usual, mate
Cheers mate 👍
Hi Nathan another very interesting comprehensive vid ,currently I am also looking at installing 2 Itec lithiums in my LC 200
the weight saving and battery performance is impressive especially when we are chasing the kilos. thank you
For sure, there's no denying that weight saving! Hopefully my testing will give us a good baseline to compare these batteries with at a future time to see how they have performed and how their capacity has help up, given the engine bay mounting decision.
Cheers.
Ordered my ITECH WORLD battery today. Give my car is a fully forged internals with a high compression ratio, I chose the quite significantly cheaper 1420CCA standard battery I also purchased a ITech jump starter item at the same time. Hopefully this combo will meet my wants and needs. You have given a great demonstration of all aspects of Lithium versus AGM. Thanks for you time and effort .
Awesome mate, hopefully this battery works well for your vehicle 👍 I've been happy with my one so far.
Glad you have found the videos informative. Cheers, Nathan.
Sick how’s it been holding up ?
Your technical videos are always professional and well scripted.
The in-depth technical analyses are always rational and logical, with just the right amount of personality.
Some people my find the presentation dry, but your body language and facial expressions are just enough to keep people engaged
Thanks mate, I appreciate that 🙏
Another great clip Nathan. I didn't do anything like that when changing both my batteries to lithium but real world 14 months later and they are brilliant. Cheers Steve
I don't think most people do this level of testing, especially freezing their brand new batteries 😂
Hopefully this will give me a good baseline to compare the batteries with after a period of use and we can see exactly how the heat and engine bay mounting solution effects longevity and performance!
Cheers 👍
@@XploringOz Hello again Nathan.
Just wondering what your background is?
@@Mick_4591 Hey mate, so it's probably not what you would expect. I went to Uni (quite a few years back now) and studied in two degrees, being Accounting and Finance. I ended up getting into local Government, which is where I'm still employed today. No mechanical or technical background.
Another great review, cheers.
Cheers mate 👍
Great review, well done.
Thanks mate, appreciate it 👍
Thank you Nathan, I found this a very interesting test of lithium.
You're welcome, glad you enjoyed it.
Cheers.
Thanks Nathan, very thorough and informative as always. I look forward to hearing how the Lithium Cranking Battery performs 'over time'.
Cheers mate, glad you enjoyed it.
I am also looking forward to seeing how it performs 👍
Any update on how this has been performing 1 year later?
Great video. Lots of really good information, and very clearly presented. Thanks.
Thanks John, appreciate it 🙏
Very well done 👍
Cheers Scott, appreciate it 👍
Thanks, that was an excellent review. I am surprised it did so well on the CCA.
I would love to see one of these things pulled apart to see what, if any, BMS is inside as I would have expected it to not charge when below freezing, which looks to be the case (not charging) after you started the cruiser with the frozen battery. Not suggesting you should do this though. Cheers Mark
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it.
There is a chance that the time taken between freezing the battery and charging it, it managed to increase in temperature a little and the lack of additional voltage in the started engine would be consistent with a hold on the charging current.
We'll see what happens down the track 👍
Cheers, Nathan.
Really chuffed to find this channel. Very interesting subject and relevant for me at the moment. Subbed here!
Awesome mate, welcome to the XploringOz community. I hope you find my videos helpful and let us know if you have any questions.
Cheers, Nathan.
Wonderful, informative presentation. Thank you.
Thanks John, glad you enjoyed it, hopefully it was helpful 🤞
Love your work, another comprehensive review Nathan, Li is the way to go for sure.
we've been using Li cranking batteries in bikes for years,
high comp 1200V twins take some cranking and the average AGM (except Yuasa) don't cut the mustard.
For sure, it's going to be the future and as technology improves and prices decrease it will become the new norm.
Do you use Lithium batteries in any off-road bikes? I am considering trying some in both dual sport bikes and Enduro bikes to see how they go...
Cheers
@@XploringOz no Nathan just road bikes. to old for dirt bikes these days LOL
@@slowboat6021 Haha, fair enough 😂 Might be another test I'll have to look into.
Cheers.
I purchased one of these starting batteries about 3 years ago.
First problem i had was when my 6lt SS engine was running and battery reached full charge the altenator warning dings and flashing began on dash.
Problem i worked out was the battery bms shut incoming charge to protect battery, the altenator was in charge mode and then had like a return surge current.
This i found can easily fry diodes.
I tech said turn headlights and radio, fan on when driving or engine idling.
Yes it works, but don't forget.
Next, if storing vehicle for a month or more, disconnect the battery, it can be drained by vehicle computer.
Battery if charged will start vehicle easily several months later on reconnecting cable.
And occasionally ,not often i get home ,lock vehicle and next morning engine won't start.
Test battery 11.5...almost flat.
Yes can use a power pack to jump it.
I think there were many complaints initially.
I've adapted ,but my SS is my occaisonal sunday drive, garaged usually.
Hope that helps.
Great in depth review and comparitive test. Appreciate the investment in time this would have been,cheers.
Cheers mate, glad you enjoyed this and thanks for the feedback, much appreciated. 👍
Excellent test, was very informative
Great to see they work in the cold
However I'm more interested in how they survive the hot temps under the bonnet. I understand you can't provide long temp results (yet) but would have been good to heat up a battery and see what happens to the volts etc in similar fashion as you did for the cold test ?
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it.
I hear what you are saying, however I just don't think it will have any adverse effects on the cranking potential. Given that CCA's area measured at low temps and the data shows that the cranking power is compromised at these temperatures, I thought this would be a better test.
Obviously high temperatures (above 80 degrees) would just theoretically cut out the BMS, therefore making it unusable however this doesn't seem to happen when fitting.
Further, the main concern for heat damage is the long term CCA rating and the capacity. This is what I hoping to test down the track.
Cheers, Nathan.
Very informative.
Thanks 🙏
Normally i just give a like..
you definitely earned a big thumbs up for the video.
A excellent comparison video!
Awesome thanks mate, appreciate it 👍
Cheers, Nathan.
G’day Nathan, keep up the great work! I myself popped the iTechworld’s 1420 pro under the bonnet of my 200 a few months back and love it, although I just believed what I read from itechworld and the fact that Terry King (Jafffa) tested their 120amp under the bonnet in his 200. Toward the end of this video you mentioned the winching issues which I agree, seem painful however, it is what it is. I’m wondering if you’re going to find (I’m looking lol) a timer that will control those time constraints that will make it a lot easier to adhere to. Keep up the great work, I look forward to learning more from you in the future.
G'Day Peter, glad to hear you enjoyed the video.
Jafffa Adventures did some great testing on the that 120X battery and it appears to have performed very well!
I'm looking forwarded to seeing whether I'm going to achieve the same results and see exactly how under bonnet and hot operating conditions effect the battery longevity and performance.
Hmm, some sort of timer would be helpful, not something that I've come across at this time...
Cheers mate, helpfully we'll see you out there on the tracks sometime!
Cheers, Nathan.
NICE ONE .. YOU JAM SO MUCH INFO INTO THAT 25 MINS WELL DONE LOOK FORWARD NOW TO THE LONG-TERM REVIEW .. THE ONLY DOWN SIDE I SEE IS THE WINCH ISSUE OTHERWISE AT THIS STAGE I WOULD BE A CONVERT THANKS AGAIN TOM
Thanks Tom, yeah it sure was a lot of testing and reviewed in 25 minutes!
I'm sure I'll get some time to sort of some winch testing in the near future. Will be interesting to see how these perform long term 👍
Another excellent video. Many thanks for doing that test, as I have been considering a Lithium cranking battery. Regarding your statement that we are never going to reach minus 20C in Australia. Never say never. 😁 It has already happened and the coldest recording was at Charlotte Pass in NSW on the 29th of June 1994. It reached minus 23 C. As we all know, it's not a common occurrence in Australia, hence I don't think it will be an issue when buying a battery. 😁👍🏼🇦🇺
Cheers mate!
You are correct and I shouldn't have quoted 'never' in this episode. Very rare circumstance, however I do know that I don't plan on camping and keeping the vehicle stationary in those sorts of conditions 😂
Cheers, Nathan
@@XploringOz Have they got internal heating incase of low temp?
Amazing video mate, love ya work, keep on at it (:
Thanks mate, appreciate it
I was born and lived in Canada for a good part of my life and can add through first hand experience that it’s not only the cold temp of a battery that creates challenges. The BIGGEST issue by far is the viscosity of the engine oil at very cold temperatures. It will literally be the consistency of molasses. Now imagine a starter trying to spin a crankshaft through something that thick. The additional current draw in that scenario is massive and everything but the largest CCA and healthiest of batteries will struggle. Throw in the fact that it is much more difficult to atomise and ignite the fuel/air mixture in a freezing climate and you can see why batteries only make it through a couple of winters before they need replacing. I guess that’s why some bright spark invented block heaters for cold climates.
On a seperate note, I wonder if Itech would have provided you with a freebie if your comparison was against another lithium start battery 🤔.
Nice work on the testing mate. I have always stated I will replace my lead start with a lithium when it dies. The weight savings is the only convincing I need. Cheers from Jafffa Adventures 😎👍
I hear you! This would make a huge difference to the overall power required to start the engine. Unfortunately just not an option for testing in my circumstance and demographic. Maybe someone can test these unit in the Vic High country one winter and see how they go, would be an interesting watch.
In relation to the freebie, I can't answer that, but I actually don't know of many other cranking batteries (if any) on the market to compare it with? My review on the battery is designed to be the 'value for money' category and therefore rules out companies like DCS which are inherently different in the their design anyway. Are you aware of any other rated cranking batteries?
The weight saving is a huge advantage, so lets hope this unit can hold up to it's claims 🤞
Cheers, Nathan.
12 months ago I put the GCS twin 75Ah system in my 200. Extremely happy with the outcome. Also replaced alternator with Rapid Power sealed unit (made in Brisbane, but also sold by Perth Diesel Performance). That has been a winner too.
Whoops...."DCS"....
@@denisgately4701 Awesome, I've only heard great things about the DCS systems too. I've chosen to try these out, just given their exceptional value for money 👍
Nice work
Cheers mate 👍
Bought 1 of these about 2 years ago, still working well. Given a high voltage always trying to charge my second battery long after vehicle is off. This will still crank with the voltage drop.
I'm more concerned about winching. Im yet to test it
I have had one for 8 months works fine.
Awesome, always encouraging to hear positive feedback 👍
Great video you really dedicated a lot of effort into testing them. I could not find your comments regarding the two main cons of lithium. Price and longevity when exposed to heat. 2years warranty for a $1k battery does not make it a good deal. The only benefit I see is the weight saving it your paying big dollars for $25kg.
Hello from Germany, very interesting tests. I have two LiFePo4 batteries as board-batteries in my VW T6 California and when my AGM starter battery life ends, I change to LiFePO4 starter battery. Price is around 750-800 EURO. Have a nice day, Knud
Awesome, lithium is definitely the way of the future and provides many benefits over some more traditional styled batteries. I'm hoping that this battery will last the test of time operating in a hotter than average environment.
Cheers, Nathan.
That was extremely useful and informative. Sadly I can't find anyone in the UK that supplies a lithium cranking batter.
Great video mate, very thorough!!! Love the heat shielding idea, do you think it might also trap heat into the battery though?
Cheers mate, hopefully I covered off on most questions regarding these units. I did think about that and to be honest I'm not sure. I would like to think that the temp within the battery would not get as high as a battery without the shield in the first place, so if it did trap heat within, it would still be cooler than an unprotected battery... if that makes sense?
May I ask where you bought your multi-colored LED readout load tester? Thanks.
@@johnslugger Just got it online mate, here is the link from the one I purchased - ebay.us/o6H3c1
Very interesting development. What is RRP of both batteries for a comparison? It would also be interesting to know about the number of charge cycles to get an idea of the expected lifespan of each of the batteries.
Hey mate, so the retail for the Optima in Australia is a little over the $400 mark, where as the lithium $899. According to the manufactures specifications on these units, the lithium has 2000 cycles, where as the Optima quotes good for over 300 discharge/recharge cycles.
Cheers, Nathan.
Thank you I am in need of a start battery for my 76 series and have been looking at these batteries for a while I have their deep cycle batteries x 2 for house batteries in my car and cant fault them , your review has helped me greatly , now we only need iTech world to stock them? been out for a while now , thanks
Awesome, glad this could help somewhat mate 👍 So far, still happy with how this unit is performing at the moment.
Cheers, Nathan.
Great video Nathan, using good scientific testing !! One thing that maybe needs clarification is charging two lithium batteries from an alternator designed for lead acid ? Are you using twin DC2DC chargers to transform the voltage to 14.4 ?
Cheers mate. Negative, only using one BCDC charger for the auxiliary, the onboard BMS within the 1420CA PRO is managing the charge currents making it a true drop in replacement. 👍
Great video, very detailed! We have been running one of these itech1420pro cranking batteries whilst we travel Australia. The speed it cranks of the starter motor is crazy! We have made a video on how to instal one and the main reasons why we went that way. Prior to this my video was the one of the only videos made on the product so your right not too much info on them but they are going to get more and more common I think. Cheers great vid
Thanks guys 👍 I did watch your video on the battery and have been following your adventure around the place. They are a great option as per handy with the lightweight advantage!
Keep your trip vid's coming and who knows, might see you out there someday 👍
Cheers, Nathan.
Thank you
So would it make ore sense to have Lithium crank (80amp) (20hp 2 cylinder diesel)and 2x100 amp on a boat rather than having a DC-DC charger if the crank was acid
This would allow better universal solution with alternator
Nicely conducted tests mate. I’m wondering how things will go in terms of the ecu/alternator charging the lithium considering a lithiums state of charge being higher than that of an AGM.
Yeah, I haven't seen anything to be concerned about yet. The charging voltage will sit around 14.2V and then float around 13.5. Everything seems to check out at the moment 👍
Alternator life is questionable, talking only about positive?
@@XploringOzcheck my post.
Good and thorough review. I am a I am skeptical of Itech products so will be very interested in your longer term review. Take care and hope to see you out and about in GORG JUS now with the ARB Bar and Warn winch
Thanks mate. For sure, I think there is still some reservations regarding iTechWorld gear and I'm hoping that as I put these batteries to the test long term, we can see the true results and the effects that installing this gear in the engine bay has!
Awesome, it's great peace on mind to know that you have that winch there, particularly when solo travelling. I'm sure we'll see you around the tracks again.
Cheers
If they're say 50% state of charge, will they overload a 60A alternator? Or have they got a charging-current limiting option somehow?
The insulation material in your link is $65. I am going to use a Woolworth cooler bag from memory about $4, turn it inside out so reflective side is out and cut it down in height to suit. A turn of silver duct tape around the top and hopefully will keep the battery cooler.
That should work well too 👍
@@XploringOz The bag had quite thin foam insulation so I folded it in half with silver side facing battery and out. So far so good.
SO REFRESHING THANK YOU. one question, do we yet know how to identify when a Lithium battery with BMS, is about to fail.?? Many thanks for your most excellent video. Best regards Pete
I am planning to put 2 100 amp DCS lithium batteries in my 200 series , They are made with cylindrical cells which as I understand are far more reliable for an under bonnet application. No sure I would put an itech world battery under bonnet as they are prismatic. Still I hope it works for you .
For sure, there are different options to consider if going to lithium, however I guess the benefit for these is the price... if they do run well long term, the value for money will be great.
Cheers, Nathan.
Would be interesting to see some heavy testing like a winch to see how it holds up
Something I'll look at testing prior to my long term review 👍
How have you set up charging for both the crank and auxiliary battery?
The cranking battery is charged as per factory specifications, this is a drop in replacement battery. The secondary auxiliary battery is managed through a Redarc 1240D BCDC charger set to a lithium profile which provides optimum charging performance.
Cheers, Nathan.
Great battery test
I’ve had the itech drop in starter battery in my Patrol for 6 mths now and never looked back
Go frustrated with lead acid batteries dying in the bush and limping home
Awesome, glad to hear some positive long term reviews. Here's hoping my unit lives up to these expectations 🤞
@@XploringOz you can’t kill those lithium batteries mine never goes below 90%
@@michaelhermans4753 Glad to hear it!
anther great vid .. layman's language a bonus for all
Cheers mate, glad you enjoyed it 👍
What about the warranty difference between the two types and operation in high temperatures?
Operation in high temperature is something that is going to take long term testing. The lithium battery will shut down at 80 degrees Celsius, however it's going to be the long term effects on the battery, being mounted in the engine bay that will determine its effectiveness. Needless to say that a long term review will come in time and we can re-measure the batteries capacity and performance to compare to it's new state.
Cheers, Nathan.
I am not sure about the iTECH world batteries but others run a bank a super capacitors to provide the initial CA.
Unfortunately I can't confirm this, however there are plenty of starting CA's in this one. Cheers, Nathan.
Great info and analysis, I am now a subscriber. I just wish the I Tech World had > than 1400 cca (actual). I would like 1600 to 2000 cca. Mine is merely for a highly modified 7 litre V8 sedan with quite high compression rate as it is a stroker motor, which puts a real strain on starter motor and battery to crank my baby over to ignite and start at TDC each time for startup. I have had Optima Red Top batteries and in truth have had nothing but trouble in the real world...👌👏
Cheers mate, thanks for the feedback.
It would be interesting to see how this would perform in your application, particularly holding that voltage higher for longer too.
Not sure it would go to well in the colder climates though…. 🤔
Cheers, Nathan.
@@XploringOz Ahh, I live in Brisbane Australia. Rarely gets what people term "cold" here.👍
1400 CCA lithium battery performs quite a bit better than a 2000 CCA lead acid, it would be no problem for that V8, in fact it could almost certainly handle an engine twice the size if you wanted it to. As soon as you put one of these in you'll be amazed how quickly the engine starts.
THANK YOU FOR THE DETAILED VIDEO
HOPE THAT AT TWO NEW CRANKING BATTLES IN TOW TRUCK AS TAKE 24V START
Thanks mate, yes these batteries are fully capable at 24V, just not 36/48V.
Cheers
Out of curiosity , do you need to run a battery protection system on these lithium starter battery if your running a dcdc system
There is no requirement to run any of these systems with this setup. These batteries are designed as a drop in replacement and their BMS units can manage the power safely.
Cheers, Nathan.
What bms it use
Didn’t you have a DCS battery initially? If you did, how did it perform and what happened to it?
Negative, I have come straight from AGM batteries, both starter and secondary.
Have you looked into what a Lithium cranking battery does to your alternator? Some videos suggest that since the Li battery can take a much larger charging current for a longer time, a stock regulator may not be smart enough to handle it and could overheat. They suggest that to use a Li cranking batter you need to add an external regulator. Thoughts?
Hey mate, although I understand this iTechWorld market this as a drop in replamcent with a BMS that can manage this.
This being said, this test is exactly that, it's a test to see whether everything can handle this. So far it's been in the vehicle for over a year (a vehicle which we are living from for the last 7 months and used daily) and I've had no problems, so the testing will continue 👍
One big question.... Vehicles and alternators are designed to charge lead acid batteries.
The charging profile & voltages are different for LiFePO4.
Are these lithium batteries properly charged by the vehicle?
Lithium is also way more sensitive to heat, so how long will they last under the bonnet compared to lead acid?
All valid questions and part of the reason I'm running this setup. I'm out there testing the 'drop in' claims of iTechWorld. I've been using this for over a year, 7 months of that living from the vehicle every day and so far working quite well 👍
@@XploringOz When charging, is the BMS smart enough to load down the alternator until the voltage drops to a certain level, as to not overload the alternator?
@@jimmybrad156hey mate, so I’ve had this installed for almost 2 years and had no problems with any overloading. Whether it’s programmed for this, I’m not sure.
Hey mate,
Just question 1:
what happens if BMS switch's to it safe mode Disconnect battery from alternator wont it fry your alternator
I was looking to change mine lead to lithium in Colorado, wont we need to run alternator protection device
it be great get your feedback or if you know good auto sparky.
Nice Video on testing side of things.
Cheers Luke.
Hey mate,
So from my understanding is that our protection is managed by the internal BMS within the battery.. .even if it's in safe mode.
I can't say I'm an expert on this matter, but it wouldn't hurt to flick iTechWorld an email, I'm sure they would be happy to elaborate on the matter.
So far it has been performing well 👍
Were you able to find a solution to the DC DC issue with not isolating
Yes, so I just simply installed a relay on the red input wire, activated by an ignition feed. As soon as the ignition is switched off, so is the charger. Working well so far 👍
Can I run one as a secondary battery without a dc to dc charger please
I mean you probably could, but I don't see why you would use this over the 120X PRO model, which is designed for that purpose. It's also rated for underbody use and is a LifePO4 chemistry. 👍
Looking for one for my 1992 Land Rover Defender. It’s in regular use and has a good alternator and no in car entertainment system to take up power but it has taken the lives of 3 dirt cheap lead acid batteries in the past 3 years, one was due to freezing in winter. Will the Lithium be suitable for the 30yr old Landy?
Hey mate, interesting to hear your experience with lithium previously. I'm hoping to test out whether or not this lithium is the real deal or not with my testing. I've been using this for about 6 months now, on and off-road and so far no problems 👍
Any update on under Bonnet performance a year later ? The 120 amp hour ( original, not pro ) secondary battery hasn’t fared well.
Hey mate, I'll be looking to do some update videos coming early this year. The 12 month review on the aux 120X PRO is due in Feb, so that will be interesting and the starter 1420CA PRO will be hitting 2 years in June, so I'm keen to see how the tests stack up on that one, but overall, still happy with my setup.
Is your 120X not performing? What happened?
@@XploringOz I’ve got a standard dual battery system. I’m changing cars, so ll keep dual battery, ole school one , , then onto from dual , itechworld 40 A dcdc , to a c.a.o.s battery box ( 5 Anderson plugs ) with itechworld 120 lithium inside ( not pro, I don’t trust it under bonnet now . ) then charge fridge, travel buddy . Maybe use solar occasionally ( haven’t needed to yet, all day drive pilot driver )
BUT --- could run my battery box 120 lithium, in conjunction with another 120 lithium to run an inverter ( say kings 1500 w ) to run a microwave for 3 minutes a day occasionally?
Cheers for your help BTW , great stuff.
We have had the same 2 starters in our cruiser for 2 years no issues, we used rubber waffle pad to pack and provide the clamping tension
The lithium battery you tested said "Lithium Ion" rather than LiFEPO4. My understanding is that they are slightly different batteries, maybe the difference in starting VS storage batteries?
All 12.8v lithium batteries are lithium ion phosphate.
They are safer, have higher cycle life, the voltage range mates up with lead acid. The main issues are minimum charging temperature (0c normally), huge load on alternator (until the battery is charged) and life is lowered above 45c.
As long as you can live with the downsides then they work mint, last for ever and deliver huge power output for their entire capacity
A lithium ion battery has a higher energy density meaning that it is better at producing those high CCA's to start the engine. They do often have a shorter life cycle, however still provide many of the benefits that LifePO4 include.
Cheers, Nathan.
@@XploringOz Cheers
Take it apart, let’s see what they’re doing inside. Are they limiting charge/discharge? Does it have a heater?
lipo and lifepo4 batteries do not appreciate high temperatures that are found in internal combustion engine bays. They will work but will drop capacity faster than if not placed there. I have seen other reviews of itechworld's lithium starter batteries where they have shown a lower capacity after a year than would have been expected but for high temperature operation. Perhaps make a note to yourself XploringOz to recheck the battery's capacity in a years time after using it as a daily driver cranking battery.
For sure and this is a big reason that I'm testing these batteries, specifically under bonnet mounted! These tests will give us a good baseline to come back and check the health, performance and longevity of these batteries at different points in time.
Cheers, Nathan.
I think there is an issue if you try to charge a lithium battery in sub zero. That could be a problem in the high country in winter.
Potentially, however given that it is engine bay managed, it would only take a minute or two to warm up and therefore accept charge, as long as you have the charge to start the engine in the first place.
Great review again, ITechWorld have two models of cranking batteries for sale the "1420CA and the 1420CA PRO" would the 1420CA be suitable for a 3 litre Nissan Patrol? - cheers
Cheers mate, so reading the specs I would think that this model is very likely to suffice for the Patrol 👍
If you are seriously considering purchasing, I would probably just double check with iTechWorld themselves to be 100% sure. I found they are quite quick at replying to queries.
Cheers, Nathan.
@@XploringOz Thanks for the quick reply Nathan, I did call and discuss with ITechWorld and as you said, they were very helpful. The 1420CA will do just fine for my Patrol and as I don't have winches an play hard; they advised I will have no issues with the standard option. It was just a lot of money but I made the purchase feeling happy with my reasearch.Spot ya next review ...cheers Scharfty
@@gregscharf1367 Awesome, glad they could help too. Sounds like it might be the go then 👍 All the best with it!
I wonder what lithium chemistry it is because lifepo4 batteries will be damaged when charging at 0°C and below, if it's lipo then that would be like having a bomb under the hood.
Why would it be a bomb? Most Lifepo4 batteries have temp cutoff protections
@@PO-sz7qw i don't know how it works but a temp cut off won't cool the environment its in is: The engine bay.
I'm pretty sure it gets way hotter under the hood which could be exceeding 'storage' temperatures of the battery, and once they vent and that ignites its a runaway situation. If that battery is being used as an auxillary and the driver doesn't notice its hot and continues to keep it in a harsh environment shit could go south.
that was my thought a year ago.
If its lithium ion like ev's then you may be correct.
Any damage can set then off.
I've seen reports, thousands of evs burning, china, usa, europe, cars, busses, bikes....most not reported for obvious reasons.
How many years use are you hoping to get out of the itechworld lithium ? I'd hope a minimum of 7years of intensive use for it to be a good economical decision.
Given the cost analysis of the yellow top Optima I was using, 4 years would be a cost neutral scenario, given that my AGM only lasted 2 years. I would hope for more, but time will tell 👍
Cheers, Nathan.
How about a 12-month review on this battery.
Awesome test and analysis mate, you’ve convinced me now to go lithium. Two things though, I heard that insurance companies won’t cover you if you have under bonnet lithiums, haven’t confirmed it yet, secondly, what’s the guesstimate cost of upgrading to 2 lithiums. Keep it up brotha!
Can confirm with my insurance they are aware, listed on policy and no issue at all.
@@Mouldyturnip75 thanks mate, that’s great news!
Lifepo4 is safe as houses. Big companies. see lithium and don't want a bar of it but lifepo4 is safer than lead
Cheers mate, glad you enjoyed it!
Yes, so I haven't had any drama's with my insurance company, however it's something that each person should consider speaking with them about to make sure.
Rough cost for these two lithium batteries, about $2000 👍
Cheers.
What happens to you car electronics if the BMS fails?
If the BMS fails, the cells won't be able to provide output or accept input, it would just shut down. This would have the same effect as a loose terminal connection or disconnect and cease to provide power to the engine and therefore shut it down.
@@XploringOz great video as usual. A failing BMS (or BMS trip) would be the equivalent event of removing the starter battery while the vehicle is running. Are you confident that the LC200 will shut down in this scenario without damage to the vehicle electronics? There are numerous articles that say not to remove a battery when a diesel is running - so it’s been a point of caution for me that I’d like to understand before making the switch. Have you looked into this for the 200? Curious as to how you got comfortable. Thanks! Mike
@@FWThriving For sure, this would be concerning. Although it would be advised against, I don't think it would be likely that the battery would shut down mid-operation. I guess time will tell and I'll be sure to report back with any findings 👍
and the actual issue with lithuim/internal resistance/charging control
and how this has been delt with has not been explianed and/or shown
as this will cause a engine fire --
The internal BMS assists in regulating the charge current and this prevents the vehicle from burning to the ground.
Cheers
I would be interested in the amps the lithium battery draws from the alternator. It's widely known in the lithium battery community that the li battery's very low internal resistance means it will place a considerable load on the vehicle's electrical system even if the alternator is not in a position to supply the current to hold voltage regulation. This type of load can result in alternator failure. Victron issued a whitepaper that discusses this aspect of things but it refers to lifepo4 batterys where this unit may be a polymer.
For sure, this is another interesting topic to look into. I'll see what I can do to include this topic in a future review video.
Cheers, Nathan.
abso-phukin-lute-ly agree !!
Most alternators in modern cars are either smart or temp compensating I wouldn't worry about it alternator will decrease amp output based of temperature most likely a non issue dcs has a few great examples
@@191kieran191read my comment 3rd may 24.
So are they faulty and recalled...
I have spoken to many that say they are.... since the website has zero available still. Seems likely...
LOL 😆 the cranking amps for lithium is 10sec test they did 5 seconds...
They are also 60ah... 1099 each.
DCS is 3700 for duel 130ah or 260 vs 120 with two of these...
For size and use these are pointless...
Sorry to sound negative here, but if the Lithium battery is sensitive to heat and under bonnet remperatures, why didn't you test that? You seem to have done the complete opposite by testing at freezing conditions.
Hey mate, completely understand your concern here. The reason I didn't test the heat capabilities, is we already know the BMS will shut the battery down at 80 degrees Celsius, before any damage is caused to the cells. Shy of placing this battery into an oven, this can't be tested any other way... and I'm not keen on explaining to the insurance company why we had a house fire when sticking a lithium car battery in the oven 😂
Further, the main concern with lithium and heat is the longevity of the battery and it's performance over a period of time when exposed to constant high temperatures (AKA engine bay).
For this reason, I will be conducting similar tests in the future after some time using the unit, to see whether to results have been significantly effected by the operating conditions.
The reason we tested the cold conditions as this is an important part of measuring the claimed CCA ratings, particularly when the battery is new and we can compare these results to the claimed specifications.
Cheers, Nathan.
@@XploringOz so have you actually measured the under-bonnet heat in your vehicle both when stationary and when on the move?
@@bobronai4641 There's a lot to it when measuring the temps. The ambient and component temperatures change significantly around the engine bay and around the battery.
After a highway run, I've measured roughly 67 degrees on a low 30 degree day. This is measure via an infrared thermometer, so I would assume the internal temps would be lower, given that I've insulated the battery.
Those batteries don’t seem to be available now
They're still there mate: itechworld.com.au/collections/12v-lithium-cranking-batteries/products/itech1420ca-pro-lithium-car-battery-12v-stop-start-1420amp-60ah
The fact is that some 280 amp hour lithium iron phosphate batteries can deliver 20,000 amps to a short circuit. The reason they're not used in vehicles is because vehicles are subjected to freezing temperatures and lithium iron phosphate batteries cannot operate in freezing temperatures.
I’m not sure if you watched the video or not, but there is a whole section dedicated to freezing temps?? This battery both discharged and charged at -20 degrees without issue?
@@XploringOz I did see the freeze test, but if it's a true lithium battery, charging it at that temperature just destroyed it. The result is dendrites growing between the layers of conductive material and will puncture the insulating layers and start a fire eventually. Do not store this battery indoors as it's a ticking time bomb.
@@basspig I guess time will tell.. obviously I'll be coming back to this battery to conduct several more tests in the future and the results will give us a better indication 👍
@@XploringOz in the meantime, treat it like a bomb and keep it away from flammable structures.
Lithium battery cannot be charged at negative temperature at all. Even 0c is not an option.
I hear where you are coming from, however it's the BMS that controls that. Whether my testing allowed the BMS to come up to 0 degrees, or whether the BMS didn't prevent the charge, either way my cold battery manage to bring in some current.
Heaps have built in heaters
Lol. Why wouldn’t it ? It’s a small diesel with a huge heavy flywheel.
Of course, but there was a little more testing in this episode than the simple question will it start?
I wonder what happens to your cars electrical system when the brain in the battery dies?
I guess the same thing that would happen with any catastrophic failure. In most instances, the vehicle would have mechanisms (such as fuses) to protect it. But there's always instances where parts like these fail.
Big V8? C'mon man.
I love your videos, but please don't call these engines big haahha
Haha, yeah I know there's plenty bigger out there. But in Australia, this is up there with one of the biggest diesel capacities engines we can freely buy (ignoring the imports).
Cheers
@@XploringOz yeah haha.
Keen to see what the long-term thoughts on it is.
Bering eyeing it off.
Not too keen on paying DCS prices
@@DarrenBoxhall I'm also very interested to see how it performs long term. Many reviews on first impressions, but everything works well when it's new.
Let's see how it goes in 6 months and then a year 👍
Hi Nathan now that you've been on the road for some time how's the Lithium battery working out ?
"4.5L BIG V8" 🤣